March Sales - Infiniti's G and M models outsell Lexus rivals
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March Sales - Infiniti's G and M models outsell Lexus rivals
March 2007 sales...
GS 300 1,908
GS 430/450h 195
IS 250/350 5,077
G Sedan 6,656
G Coupe 1,336
M 2,768
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274204
at the people that said the M will flop and the GS will dominate it.
GS 300 1,908
GS 430/450h 195
IS 250/350 5,077
G Sedan 6,656
G Coupe 1,336
M 2,768
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274204
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Infiniti is HOT!
Originally Posted by SeCsTaC
March 2007 sales...
GS 300 1,908
GS 430/450h 195
IS 250/350 5,077
G Sedan 6,656
G Coupe 1,336
M 2,768
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274204
at the people that said the M will flop and the GS will dominate it.
GS 300 1,908
GS 430/450h 195
IS 250/350 5,077
G Sedan 6,656
G Coupe 1,336
M 2,768
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274204
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I can't believe how miserable the GS sales were... maybe it's time for one to get a big discount at the Lexus dealer now? LOL!
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WOW! The G Sedan is really a big success!
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Wow the G is heating up in sales! Too bad I still don't have any money to join in and be part of that stat. Well, I'm still also waiting for the Ex to arrive.
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The EX won't be any cheaper...
Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
Wow the G is heating up in sales! Too bad I still don't have any money to join in and be part of that stat. Well, I'm still also waiting for the Ex to arrive.
The G sedan really is great value for money, considering what you get!
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I just checked the Infiniti website and was wondering whatever happened to their large sedan. With the EX concept they will have 3 SUV's. That outnumbers the sedans by a count of 3 to 2. Any word if a new sedan placed above the M is slated for the near future?
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Not to be a Lexus apologist but it seems from the Lexus forums over the last few months supply of the G seems rather limited, this supply constriction along with the M's favorable lease deals and higher marketing presence might account for the difference, none the less the M is definately stepping up to the plate.
Not sure when the new Q is supposed to be out but I wonder if it will be the glass ceiling, name plate is a big factor at those price levels and much like Acura stalled at just sub 50K, the Q might stall at ~65K, where BMW, Lexus, MB and Audi don't have that barrier.
Not sure when the new Q is supposed to be out but I wonder if it will be the glass ceiling, name plate is a big factor at those price levels and much like Acura stalled at just sub 50K, the Q might stall at ~65K, where BMW, Lexus, MB and Audi don't have that barrier.
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Originally Posted by mikeschicagoRL
I just checked the Infiniti website and was wondering whatever happened to their large sedan. With the EX concept they will have 3 SUV's. That outnumbers the sedans by a count of 3 to 2. Any word if a new sedan placed above the M is slated for the near future?
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Originally Posted by Infamous425
the M has been outselling the GS for awhile now and a new Q is in the works probably with a 5.0 and 400hp
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The RL doesn't sell well because it just doesn't look like a 50k car IMO, not one bit. You park it in a pool of normal mid-size sedans like camrys and accords and it'll get lost real easy, (esp next to an accord) it just doesnt stand out or even look good.
As for Infiniti, if they can make a car with a stunning exterior, nice interior with lots of features and price it below their german rivals I think they could capture some market share.
Oh and
to Infiniti for kicking ass. Once the new G37 Coupe comes out I predict the G series will flirt with 10k sales/month for awhile.
Lastly, does anyone know when the FX and QX are due for a remodel?
As for Infiniti, if they can make a car with a stunning exterior, nice interior with lots of features and price it below their german rivals I think they could capture some market share.
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Lastly, does anyone know when the FX and QX are due for a remodel?
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I will be the 1st to admit that the Acura RL is kinda bland & Honda Accordish looking, however, I do not think that the Lexus GS350 or Infiniti M35/45 look all that luxury-fied either. The Infiniti looks very similar to the G35 & the GS has that same L-Finesse look that is afflicting all new Lexus sedans. I guess where the RL is falling short is that it looks similar, to me, to the lower end Honda whereas the other 2 resemble autos from their luxury division.
Please let Acura put some real effort into the next generation RL bc by then I should be in the market for a new ride (2009ish).
Please let Acura put some real effort into the next generation RL bc by then I should be in the market for a new ride (2009ish).
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Originally Posted by zamo
Infiniti does have better lease deals than Lexus. Lexus needs to start with good lease programs if they wanna increase sales.
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IMHO, if Lexus had similar lease deals (to Infiniti) then, I believe the sales numbers between both brands would be close (though the GS will still get owned by the M when it comes to BLING! factor).
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It's strange how companies want the best of both worlds -- I want to make a high margin per vehicle sold, yet I want to sell more of them than the competition. Doesn't work that way!
Infiniti is holding aces with the M-series (Consumer Reports "Best Buy" over the Lexus LS!) and the new G-series. Lexus had the attention of the media for the past couple of years so the novelty of their "L-finesse" design is starting to wane. I think they are milking their 'quality ... for a price' mindset a slight change. Sure, they can compete with MB and BMW ... but trying to change a typical buyer (ie I want luxury at a discount) to having them pay that premium for ownership ... it'll be a tough sell.
There will be those who will buy cars no matter what the cost but it will be difficult for Lexus to shake off that buyer's perspective of getting the good stuff and reliability without having to pay extra for it.
Lexus marketers can always use those listed numbers as people wanting to be 'more exclusive' and will keep the riff-raff out of the dealership so that their level of customer service stays strong.
Infiniti is holding aces with the M-series (Consumer Reports "Best Buy" over the Lexus LS!) and the new G-series. Lexus had the attention of the media for the past couple of years so the novelty of their "L-finesse" design is starting to wane. I think they are milking their 'quality ... for a price' mindset a slight change. Sure, they can compete with MB and BMW ... but trying to change a typical buyer (ie I want luxury at a discount) to having them pay that premium for ownership ... it'll be a tough sell.
There will be those who will buy cars no matter what the cost but it will be difficult for Lexus to shake off that buyer's perspective of getting the good stuff and reliability without having to pay extra for it.
Lexus marketers can always use those listed numbers as people wanting to be 'more exclusive' and will keep the riff-raff out of the dealership so that their level of customer service stays strong.
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Originally Posted by TSX69
I will be the 1st to admit that the Acura RL is kinda bland & Honda Accordish looking, however, I do not think that the Lexus GS350 or Infiniti M35/45 look all that luxury-fied either. The Infiniti looks very similar to the G35 & the GS has that same L-Finesse look that is afflicting all new Lexus sedans. I guess where the RL is falling short is that it looks similar, to me, to the lower end Honda whereas the other 2 resemble autos from their luxury division.
Please let Acura put some real effort into the next generation RL bc by then I should be in the market for a new ride (2009ish).
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Please let Acura put some real effort into the next generation RL bc by then I should be in the market for a new ride (2009ish).
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Lexus quality has dipped somewhat, according to recent surveys. IMO, Lexus had delivered brand recognition and does well in the luxury category, but in terms of sports sedan it just can't quite cross over the road yet. IS is also a bit too small.
If I want to pull the trigger for a car today, it will definitely be the G35. Infiniti is onto something - it's going in the right direction: product design, quality, etc.
Acura - maybe the SH-AWD will put it off for the next gen TL, but the RL definitely needs some fresh ideas.
If I want to pull the trigger for a car today, it will definitely be the G35. Infiniti is onto something - it's going in the right direction: product design, quality, etc.
Acura - maybe the SH-AWD will put it off for the next gen TL, but the RL definitely needs some fresh ideas.
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Originally Posted by TSX69
I will be the 1st to admit that the Acura RL is kinda bland & Honda Accordish looking, however, I do not think that the Lexus GS350 or Infiniti M35/45 look all that luxury-fied either. The Infiniti looks very similar to the G35 & the GS has that same L-Finesse look that is afflicting all new Lexus sedans. I guess where the RL is falling short is that it looks similar, to me, to the lower end Honda whereas the other 2 resemble autos from their luxury division.
Please let Acura put some real effort into the next generation RL bc by then I should be in the market for a new ride (2009ish).
Please let Acura put some real effort into the next generation RL bc by then I should be in the market for a new ride (2009ish).
![](https://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/as/autoshow2004/photos/l_4Lexus_GS_3qtr.jpg)
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The production has old stodgy looking 17" rims which seriously detract from the looks compared to the production concept.
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Originally Posted by TMQ
Lexus quality has dipped somewhat, according to recent surveys. IMO, Lexus had delivered brand recognition and does well in the luxury category, but in terms of sports sedan it just can't quite cross over the road yet. IS is also a bit too small.
If I want to pull the trigger for a car today, it will definitely be the G35. Infiniti is onto something - it's going in the right direction: product design, quality, etc.
Acura - maybe the SH-AWD will put it off for the next gen TL, but the RL definitely needs some fresh ideas.
If I want to pull the trigger for a car today, it will definitely be the G35. Infiniti is onto something - it's going in the right direction: product design, quality, etc.
Acura - maybe the SH-AWD will put it off for the next gen TL, but the RL definitely needs some fresh ideas.
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
What happened to Lexus's old slogan "Pursuing Perfection"?
I guess they are not relentless anymore.
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Originally Posted by zamo
They changed it. I remember it was "The Relentless Pursuit of Perfection".
I guess they are not relentless anymore.
I guess they are not relentless anymore.
anyway, the key word is "pursuit".
Kia can say they are in "pursuit" of perfection if they want and it would be true...unless they are intentionally trying to make their cars worse.
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
wasn't it changed to "the passionate pursuit of perfection"?
anyway, the key word is "pursuit".
Kia can say they are in "pursuit" of perfection if they want and it would be true...unless they are intentionally trying to make their cars worse.
anyway, the key word is "pursuit".
Kia can say they are in "pursuit" of perfection if they want and it would be true...unless they are intentionally trying to make their cars worse.
If recent trademark filings are any indication, Toyota may be considering a slogan change for its Lexus brand. From 1989 to 1999, "The Relentless Pursuit of Perfection" was the luxury automaker's primary tag line. In 2000, that changed to "The Passionate Pursuit of Perfection." Two weeks ago, Toyota registered "The Passionate Pursuit of Potential" and "The Pursuit of Potential." Could a new tag line for one of Japan's most prestigious brand be in the works? Earlier this year, we accurately identified Cadillac's "Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit" slogan. We also found Saturn's "Like Always. Like Never Before." Will Lexus be hit number three?
http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademar...the-works.html
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the Passionate Pursuit of Potential sounds like crap.
Pursuing "perfection" is easy...means to try to make more perfect.
Pursuing "potential", uh, does that mean to try to make more potential energy? or more potential as in pursuing more possibilities? or more potential as in "This car doesn't have everything you need NOW, but it has potential...so come back when the next generation is here!"?
Pursuing "perfection" is easy...means to try to make more perfect.
Pursuing "potential", uh, does that mean to try to make more potential energy? or more potential as in pursuing more possibilities? or more potential as in "This car doesn't have everything you need NOW, but it has potential...so come back when the next generation is here!"?
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
wasn't it changed to "the passionate pursuit of perfection"?
anyway, the key word is "pursuit".
Kia can say they are in "pursuit" of perfection if they want and it would be true...unless they are intentionally trying to make their cars worse.
anyway, the key word is "pursuit".
Kia can say they are in "pursuit" of perfection if they want and it would be true...unless they are intentionally trying to make their cars worse.
As far as Infiniti sales are concerned, it's nice to see the company gaining some decent momentum. The 07 G has definitely helped with that, and the upcoming G37 and EX35 will help even more. Infiniti sure has come along way and turned things around in 5 short years.
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Thank goodness these Infiniti buyers went for passion rather than boredom!!! LOL
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^ I completely agree.
As far as Infiniti sales are concerned, it's nice to see the company gaining some decent momentum. The 07 G has definitely helped with that, and the upcoming G37 and EX35 will help even more. Infiniti sure has come along way and turned things around in 5 short years.
As far as Infiniti sales are concerned, it's nice to see the company gaining some decent momentum. The 07 G has definitely helped with that, and the upcoming G37 and EX35 will help even more. Infiniti sure has come along way and turned things around in 5 short years.
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"If Infiniti can do it, Acura can do it".
I mean back in 2000 I think the Infiniti brand was close to extinction and then Renault bailed out Nissan/Infiniti. Ever since that time they've improved come out with a new aim and focus and haven't looked back.
Maybe Honda/Acura could take Nissan/Infiniti's example and turn things around too in 5 years, but I'm not sure if they can.
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
Maybe Honda/Acura could take Nissan/Infiniti's example and turn things around too in 5 years, but I'm not sure if they can.
Honda has not been a cornered beast for a long time and therefore they can take risks, like being super-conservative with Acura (which in the premium market, is a big risk...see RL for example). If they were forced to (for example if none of its models were successful) then I have no doubt they would build a RWD or V8 because they know they HAVE to do those things to compete. But since they have been successful, they don't have to and can risk being conservative.
I honestly think there is a sense of cockiness at Honda. They have been so successful for so long that they think their shit don't stink and that they know better than consumers. It'll be interesting to see what the next TL can do to maintain it's success in the next generation...the competition is much much stronger than 4-5 years ago.
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
Big difference is that Nissan was like a cornered beast...they were about to be eaten and they ahd to fight.
Honda has not been a cornered beast for a long time and therefore they can take risks, like being super-conservative with Acura (which in the premium market, is a big risk...see RL for example). If they were forced to (for example if none of its models were successful) then I have no doubt they would build a RWD or V8 because they know they HAVE to do those things to compete. But since they have been successful, they don't have to and can risk being conservative.
I honestly think there is a sense of cockiness at Honda. They have been so successful for so long that they think their shit don't stink and that they know better than consumers. It'll be interesting to see what the next TL can do to maintain it's success in the next generation...the competition is much much stronger than 4-5 years ago.
Honda has not been a cornered beast for a long time and therefore they can take risks, like being super-conservative with Acura (which in the premium market, is a big risk...see RL for example). If they were forced to (for example if none of its models were successful) then I have no doubt they would build a RWD or V8 because they know they HAVE to do those things to compete. But since they have been successful, they don't have to and can risk being conservative.
I honestly think there is a sense of cockiness at Honda. They have been so successful for so long that they think their shit don't stink and that they know better than consumers. It'll be interesting to see what the next TL can do to maintain it's success in the next generation...the competition is much much stronger than 4-5 years ago.
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unless Honda intentionally wants Acura to be the Japanese "volvo", i think eventually they will end up "cornered" and will react accordingly to the market...and that may already be happening.
The 1st gen MDX was very competitive in both performance/offering/value when it came out, but the competition for the 2nd gen is much more severe and as good as the new MDX is, it is not a standout among its competitors as much as the first one was.
I have a feeling that the situation will be the same for the next gen TL...it will not be as much of a standout among its peers as the current generation was when it came out and it will be hard to keep the sales pace of the 2nd and 3rd gens.
The 1st gen MDX was very competitive in both performance/offering/value when it came out, but the competition for the 2nd gen is much more severe and as good as the new MDX is, it is not a standout among its competitors as much as the first one was.
I have a feeling that the situation will be the same for the next gen TL...it will not be as much of a standout among its peers as the current generation was when it came out and it will be hard to keep the sales pace of the 2nd and 3rd gens.
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
unless Honda intentionally wants Acura to be the Japanese "volvo", i think eventually they will end up "cornered" and will react accordingly to the market...and that may already be happening.
The 1st gen MDX was very competitive in both performance/offering/value when it came out, but the competition for the 2nd gen is much more severe and as good as the new MDX is, it is not a standout among its competitors as much as the first one was.
I have a feeling that the situation will be the same for the next gen TL...it will not be as much of a standout among its peers as the current generation was when it came out and it will be hard to keep the sales pace of the 2nd and 3rd gens.
The 1st gen MDX was very competitive in both performance/offering/value when it came out, but the competition for the 2nd gen is much more severe and as good as the new MDX is, it is not a standout among its competitors as much as the first one was.
I have a feeling that the situation will be the same for the next gen TL...it will not be as much of a standout among its peers as the current generation was when it came out and it will be hard to keep the sales pace of the 2nd and 3rd gens.
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
I could only see that happening with the TL if the prices goes up even more near $40K and it's still FWD in the 4th gen TL.
Considering a 286hp FWD TL type-S is around $38k, I don't see a TL with 300hp and AWD being much less than $38k, especially equipped with new features and options that the current competition is offering.
But now it runs into the problem that it is forcing users to buy a heavy AWD car, whether the customer lives in sunny california or snowy vermont.
So unless they offer a watered-down version of the TL (which would pale in comparison to the competition anyway), or unless they pull a miracle out of their asses, or get smart and put the TL on a new RWD platform, I don't see the next TL as having the same success as the last 2 gens.
that's how I'd bet my money. We'll see when the day actually comes.
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Wow mr deeno good perspective. Unless Honda/Acura really is going to come out with a RWD platform, 300 hp will suck with FWD.
A TL with SH-AWD possibly and 300 + hp starting at or nicely equipped at $38K is a good price, but is it better than a G35 sedan?
But, you forgot if the next gen TL has "wow" styling and a sweet interior people will still buy it or consider it vs. the G35 because of the past good history of the first 3 gens of the TL with resale value and "Honda" quality.
A TL with SH-AWD possibly and 300 + hp starting at or nicely equipped at $38K is a good price, but is it better than a G35 sedan?
But, you forgot if the next gen TL has "wow" styling and a sweet interior people will still buy it or consider it vs. the G35 because of the past good history of the first 3 gens of the TL with resale value and "Honda" quality.