Lexus: IS News
#2161
Team Owner
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#2162
Ex-OEM King
meh.
my economy car is quite a lot faster than the is350.
guessing the performance people aren't the target market for this thing.
my economy car is quite a lot faster than the is350.
guessing the performance people aren't the target market for this thing.
#2163
1) Reliable
2) They liked the looks
3) It's fast enough
4) Reliable
That was basically it.
#2164
Team Owner
Considering how tiny the back seats are... not only it sux in performance, It is also too small... many of the compact cars have more leg room than IS....
#2165
Race Director
The third-generation Lexus IS arrives for the 2021 model year with development miles accrued at a new technical center in Japan, including a 3.3-mile track. Furthermore Lexus widened the front track and worked to reduce the car's un-sprung mass with bolt hubs replacing studs as well as lighter-weight springs and suspension arms. That means it comes with more sport sedan street cred. But you have to look in the right place to find it.
That’s because the IS sold in the U.S. comes in two models, IS 300 and IS 350 F Sport, with three engines, two transmissions, and two drivetrains. And that combination of kit is split in an atypical way to give you four different configurations to choose from.
It starts with the IS 300 rear-wheel-drive (RWD). It has a 2.0-liter turbocharged inline-four producing 241 hp between 5,200 – 5,800 rpm and 258 lb-ft of torque between 1,650 – 4,400 rpm. An eight-speed automatic transmission bolts on and sends power to the rear, 18-inch wheels. The IS 300 starts at $40,025.
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The 2021 Lexus IS 350 F Sport in profile LEXUSIf you stick with an IS 300, but want all-wheel-drive (AWD), you get a different engine and transmission. It’s a naturally aspirated 3.5-liter V6 peaking at 260 horsepower at 6,600 rpm and 236 lb-ft of torque between 2,000 – 4,800 rpm. But going AWD also reduces forward gears from eight to six. Doing so also raises the base price $2k to $42,025.
Moving up to an IS 350 now means you also automatically move up to the F Sport. In other words, the F-Sport is only offered on the IS 350 and also the only way one can get an IS 350. So you get a sportier look including 19-inch wheels, different front and rear bumpers, and a spoiler. Moreover, you also get a different steering wheel that’s heated as well as more adjustable and heavily bolstered heated and ventilated front seats.
The least expensive IS 350 F Sport is the RWD model. It comes with yet a different engine. While still a naturally aspirated 3.5-liter V6, it is tuned to produce 311 hp at 6,600 rpm and 280 lb-ft of torque at 4,800 rpm, though you need premium gas to achieve those numbers. It costs $43,925.
The final configuration is, logically enough, the IS 350 F Sport AWD. In it, you get the more powerful of the two V6s, but the same six-speed transmission as the IS 300 AWD. This is what causes a small anomaly. Usually cars equipped with AWD have RWD beat in off-the-line acceleration and reach 60 mph first. Not here. The IS 350 RWD hits 60 mph in 5.6 seconds, the AWD, 5.7. Regardless, this model starts at $45,925.
But to truly reap the rewards of a wider front track and less un-sprung mass to chuck around, not to mention forcing the front brake ducts to earn their share of front bumper space, you need to add the Dynamic Handling Package. Doing so adds $4,200 to the price tag—$3,800 for AWD models—but adds adjustable dampers, four pounds per corner lighter 19-inch BBS wheels, and more drive modes, including a Sport plus setting.
And, really, you need to get the RWD IS 350 F Sport because that is the only way for the Handling Package to include a Torsen limited slip rear differential and summer performance tires. If you’re thinking about track time in a Lexus, this is really your only option here. And, honestly, $48,125 for said car is totally competitive in today’s market. More on that in a minute.
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A look inside the Lexus IS LEXUSSo, yeah, it’s an odd combination of ways to configure a car trying to be a traditional sports sedan. And when I got behind the wheel of an IS 350 AWD without the dynamic handling package, I came away feeling it’s the wrong choice for enthusiasts.
There are several positives, including the sonorous sound from naturally aspirated six-cylinders, an increasingly rare delight these days. You also sit in supportive seats and show off a generally pleasing sport-sedan look. But you also only get six-speeds to work with in the transmission, so the engine has to work harder than you think it should these days.
“What?! Why is the engine dropping more than a 1,000 revs below power peak?”
Handling is a bit of a mixed bag, too. The IS generally behaves well. Steering is precise and feel is actually better than expected, thank you new test track, but grip from the all-season rubber is pretty darn low. Furthermore, the body rolled into corners enough to liken it to a Lexus ES.
You do have different drive modes, but you don’t have adjustable dampers, so going into sport drive mode speeds up shifts and weights up the steering a bit, but little else. And with AWD, I got no help increasing the fun from the powertrain, either. Even with a heavy right foot, the rear end would not budge, not even a little. Believe me, I tried. Ultimately, I came away a bit underwhelmed.
That was true of driver comfort as well. It’s actually quite comfortable save for one issue. In the middle of the driver’s side foot well is this odd hump coming out of the transmission tunnel. It’s just big enough to disturb you while driving. It’s not in the way of your leg to work the pedals or anything, but as you apply throttle—especially in a corner—your calf feels pressure against it. It’s unsettling. I imagine if you bought one, you’d get used to it, but I’d be much happier if it wasn’t there.
It’s not there on RWD IS models. And after getting the chance to drive this proper IS sports sedan variant, I very much appreciate its absence. First of all, my throttle pedal is free from any disturbance, just as it should be. Then there’s the massive difference the eight-speed transmission makes, especially in sport plus mode. You can now exit out of corners with real vigor, staying closer to the V6’s performance sweet spot and sweet engine note as well. This V6 is a darling of a motor and the eight-speed box compliments that much better than the AWD’s six-speed.
Chassis balance improves as well. You have less resistance to initial turn-in and greater ease sticking the nose precisely where you want it. And while the rear-end stays stable with spirited driving, thanks to the Torsen differential you can now coax it to wiggle around with a heavy boot of throttle. Though even with adjustable dampers in their sportiest setting, the IS would benefit from a stiffer suspension, as there is still more body roll than necessary. That said, you are going to like the performance rubber and love the lightweight BBS wheels. They likely play an important role in improving the feel and willingness of the front-end.
In the context of all the added athleticism, the brakes are a minor disappointment. There’s more than ideal pedal travel before you get initial bite of the brakes and they continue to feel squishy with even more pedal travel as you ask for more stopping power. There’s nothing bad here, just not as good as the best systems out there.
On the plus side, the steering rack is nice and fast. Steering assistance is nicely weighted, which makes it easy to be precise with the wheel and make minute adjustments on the fly. Steering feel isn’t great, but the rest of the car communicates well, giving you a good sense of available remaining grip. And, if you prefer numbers, you get a g meter to glance at as you accelerate, brake and corner.
And everyone can appreciate the cool styling. The IS stands low and wide and generally looks sharp. Both the front and rear wheel arches flare out wide. When looking in profile, you see a strong crease in the metal extends at a 45-degree angle from the middle bottom of the rear door to meet the top of the rear wheel well. Nice.
Some people find the front grille more appetizing than others, but the daytime running lights now rest above the headlights and form a check-mark shape, which I like. The rear is the busiest part. There’s this Tupperware lid shape on top, it gives a wide perch for the taillights and a narrow one for the spoiler. But all praise the true, legit dual exhaust pipes. They are a big plus.
Inside, I appreciate the flexibility of the 60/40 split folding rear seats for cargo and the dual-climate control to mitigate fights over temperature. Standard equipment for infotainment duties is an eight-inch center console display, but feel free to upgrade to a 10.3-inch widescreen instead. Either way you get Apple Carplay and Android Auto connectivity.
And, of course there’s new safety tech. It’s got a new name, too: Lexus Safety System plus 2.5. It adds to the list of usual safety systems new features like daytime bicycle detection and intersection turning assist. This is, of course, in addition to your now usual automatic emergency braking and adaptive cruise control.
This content is imported from {embed-name}. You may be able to find the same content in another format, or you may be able to find more information, at their web site.Considering the 2021 Lexus IS price it’s easy to see the practical value in this car. But it is highly dependent on powertrain selection to connect to it emotionally. A car needs to speak to you and listen as well. And the IS 350 F Sport AWD simply does not, but the RWD does. When you consider the very competitive price, the Lexus IS 350 F Sport is a compelling option for a sports sedan.
That’s because the IS sold in the U.S. comes in two models, IS 300 and IS 350 F Sport, with three engines, two transmissions, and two drivetrains. And that combination of kit is split in an atypical way to give you four different configurations to choose from.
It starts with the IS 300 rear-wheel-drive (RWD). It has a 2.0-liter turbocharged inline-four producing 241 hp between 5,200 – 5,800 rpm and 258 lb-ft of torque between 1,650 – 4,400 rpm. An eight-speed automatic transmission bolts on and sends power to the rear, 18-inch wheels. The IS 300 starts at $40,025.
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The 2021 Lexus IS 350 F Sport in profile LEXUSIf you stick with an IS 300, but want all-wheel-drive (AWD), you get a different engine and transmission. It’s a naturally aspirated 3.5-liter V6 peaking at 260 horsepower at 6,600 rpm and 236 lb-ft of torque between 2,000 – 4,800 rpm. But going AWD also reduces forward gears from eight to six. Doing so also raises the base price $2k to $42,025.
Moving up to an IS 350 now means you also automatically move up to the F Sport. In other words, the F-Sport is only offered on the IS 350 and also the only way one can get an IS 350. So you get a sportier look including 19-inch wheels, different front and rear bumpers, and a spoiler. Moreover, you also get a different steering wheel that’s heated as well as more adjustable and heavily bolstered heated and ventilated front seats.
The least expensive IS 350 F Sport is the RWD model. It comes with yet a different engine. While still a naturally aspirated 3.5-liter V6, it is tuned to produce 311 hp at 6,600 rpm and 280 lb-ft of torque at 4,800 rpm, though you need premium gas to achieve those numbers. It costs $43,925.
The final configuration is, logically enough, the IS 350 F Sport AWD. In it, you get the more powerful of the two V6s, but the same six-speed transmission as the IS 300 AWD. This is what causes a small anomaly. Usually cars equipped with AWD have RWD beat in off-the-line acceleration and reach 60 mph first. Not here. The IS 350 RWD hits 60 mph in 5.6 seconds, the AWD, 5.7. Regardless, this model starts at $45,925.
But to truly reap the rewards of a wider front track and less un-sprung mass to chuck around, not to mention forcing the front brake ducts to earn their share of front bumper space, you need to add the Dynamic Handling Package. Doing so adds $4,200 to the price tag—$3,800 for AWD models—but adds adjustable dampers, four pounds per corner lighter 19-inch BBS wheels, and more drive modes, including a Sport plus setting.
And, really, you need to get the RWD IS 350 F Sport because that is the only way for the Handling Package to include a Torsen limited slip rear differential and summer performance tires. If you’re thinking about track time in a Lexus, this is really your only option here. And, honestly, $48,125 for said car is totally competitive in today’s market. More on that in a minute.
![](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/circuit-red-2021-lexus-is-350-f-sport-051-1602767356.jpg?resize=480:*)
A look inside the Lexus IS LEXUSSo, yeah, it’s an odd combination of ways to configure a car trying to be a traditional sports sedan. And when I got behind the wheel of an IS 350 AWD without the dynamic handling package, I came away feeling it’s the wrong choice for enthusiasts.
There are several positives, including the sonorous sound from naturally aspirated six-cylinders, an increasingly rare delight these days. You also sit in supportive seats and show off a generally pleasing sport-sedan look. But you also only get six-speeds to work with in the transmission, so the engine has to work harder than you think it should these days.
“What?! Why is the engine dropping more than a 1,000 revs below power peak?”
Handling is a bit of a mixed bag, too. The IS generally behaves well. Steering is precise and feel is actually better than expected, thank you new test track, but grip from the all-season rubber is pretty darn low. Furthermore, the body rolled into corners enough to liken it to a Lexus ES.
You do have different drive modes, but you don’t have adjustable dampers, so going into sport drive mode speeds up shifts and weights up the steering a bit, but little else. And with AWD, I got no help increasing the fun from the powertrain, either. Even with a heavy right foot, the rear end would not budge, not even a little. Believe me, I tried. Ultimately, I came away a bit underwhelmed.
That was true of driver comfort as well. It’s actually quite comfortable save for one issue. In the middle of the driver’s side foot well is this odd hump coming out of the transmission tunnel. It’s just big enough to disturb you while driving. It’s not in the way of your leg to work the pedals or anything, but as you apply throttle—especially in a corner—your calf feels pressure against it. It’s unsettling. I imagine if you bought one, you’d get used to it, but I’d be much happier if it wasn’t there.
It’s not there on RWD IS models. And after getting the chance to drive this proper IS sports sedan variant, I very much appreciate its absence. First of all, my throttle pedal is free from any disturbance, just as it should be. Then there’s the massive difference the eight-speed transmission makes, especially in sport plus mode. You can now exit out of corners with real vigor, staying closer to the V6’s performance sweet spot and sweet engine note as well. This V6 is a darling of a motor and the eight-speed box compliments that much better than the AWD’s six-speed.
Chassis balance improves as well. You have less resistance to initial turn-in and greater ease sticking the nose precisely where you want it. And while the rear-end stays stable with spirited driving, thanks to the Torsen differential you can now coax it to wiggle around with a heavy boot of throttle. Though even with adjustable dampers in their sportiest setting, the IS would benefit from a stiffer suspension, as there is still more body roll than necessary. That said, you are going to like the performance rubber and love the lightweight BBS wheels. They likely play an important role in improving the feel and willingness of the front-end.
In the context of all the added athleticism, the brakes are a minor disappointment. There’s more than ideal pedal travel before you get initial bite of the brakes and they continue to feel squishy with even more pedal travel as you ask for more stopping power. There’s nothing bad here, just not as good as the best systems out there.
On the plus side, the steering rack is nice and fast. Steering assistance is nicely weighted, which makes it easy to be precise with the wheel and make minute adjustments on the fly. Steering feel isn’t great, but the rest of the car communicates well, giving you a good sense of available remaining grip. And, if you prefer numbers, you get a g meter to glance at as you accelerate, brake and corner.
And everyone can appreciate the cool styling. The IS stands low and wide and generally looks sharp. Both the front and rear wheel arches flare out wide. When looking in profile, you see a strong crease in the metal extends at a 45-degree angle from the middle bottom of the rear door to meet the top of the rear wheel well. Nice.
Some people find the front grille more appetizing than others, but the daytime running lights now rest above the headlights and form a check-mark shape, which I like. The rear is the busiest part. There’s this Tupperware lid shape on top, it gives a wide perch for the taillights and a narrow one for the spoiler. But all praise the true, legit dual exhaust pipes. They are a big plus.
Inside, I appreciate the flexibility of the 60/40 split folding rear seats for cargo and the dual-climate control to mitigate fights over temperature. Standard equipment for infotainment duties is an eight-inch center console display, but feel free to upgrade to a 10.3-inch widescreen instead. Either way you get Apple Carplay and Android Auto connectivity.
And, of course there’s new safety tech. It’s got a new name, too: Lexus Safety System plus 2.5. It adds to the list of usual safety systems new features like daytime bicycle detection and intersection turning assist. This is, of course, in addition to your now usual automatic emergency braking and adaptive cruise control.
This content is imported from {embed-name}. You may be able to find the same content in another format, or you may be able to find more information, at their web site.Considering the 2021 Lexus IS price it’s easy to see the practical value in this car. But it is highly dependent on powertrain selection to connect to it emotionally. A car needs to speak to you and listen as well. And the IS 350 F Sport AWD simply does not, but the RWD does. When you consider the very competitive price, the Lexus IS 350 F Sport is a compelling option for a sports sedan.
#2166
Moderator
They're not calling it an "IS-F," but really, it's an IS-F.
Link: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...ource=facebook
Lexus's familiar 5.0-liter V-8 engine has returned to the IS sports sedan, this time in the form of the new 2022 IS500 F Sport Performance model. Although the company is not calling it a full F model this time around, the IS500 reminds us of the original IS F. That car, which first appeared in 2008, had this same naturally aspirated V-8, bulging hood, and overall stance.
This time around, the V-8 produces 472 horsepower and 395 pound-feet of torque, the same as in the RC F coupe. Rear-wheel drive and an eight-speed automatic transmission are standard. The IS500 has the same limited-slip differential and adaptive dampers that are optional on the V-6–powered IS350 F Sport. The IS500's brakes are slightly larger, and the 19-inch wheels are exclusive to this model and claim to be lighter than the IS350 F Sport's wheels. Overall curb weight is up by a claimed 143 pounds over the V-6 car.
This time around, the V-8 produces 472 horsepower and 395 pound-feet of torque, the same as in the RC F coupe. Rear-wheel drive and an eight-speed automatic transmission are standard. The IS500 has the same limited-slip differential and adaptive dampers that are optional on the V-6–powered IS350 F Sport. The IS500's brakes are slightly larger, and the 19-inch wheels are exclusive to this model and claim to be lighter than the IS350 F Sport's wheels. Overall curb weight is up by a claimed 143 pounds over the V-6 car.
#2167
Team Owner
Like what the article said.. it all depends on the pricing...
If they priced it as a M3/C63 competitor, then they might as well just keep it to themselves...
If they priced it as a M340i or C43 competitor, then it is a very attractive package.... I might even consider one since M440i is so fugly..
If they priced it as a M3/C63 competitor, then they might as well just keep it to themselves...
If they priced it as a M340i or C43 competitor, then it is a very attractive package.... I might even consider one since M440i is so fugly..
#2168
Moderator
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#2169
2016 Acura TLX
I really want to like this car, but the performance just doesn't compete. If priced right, I may consider it, but I doubt that it will. A loaded IS350 F-sport already comes in at the mid $50k range, so how much would this cost on top of that. By comparison, a M340i will beat this with less power and a Genesis G70 will come awfully close to the performance for much cheaper again with less power. If this was priced at $55k, I'd overlook those numbers for the V8 soundtrack and Lexus reliability. At $65k or more, you'd be paying extra for older, less efficient performance and tech, and that would cause these to linger on the sales floor like the RC F.
Wonder why they didn't used the twin turbo V6 from the LS500, though again the V8 sounds much better.
Wonder why they didn't used the twin turbo V6 from the LS500, though again the V8 sounds much better.
#2170
Team Owner
According to C&D, the estimated base price is $56k... considering it has all the performance options from IS350 added already as standard options. I think the car will be very very competitive between $56-$65k base on options, which is the same as M340i.
4 series just ugly itself out.... The new C class including C63 will be a fucking 4 cylinders
I feel bad for the AMG guys. So the IS500 would probably steal some customers from BMW and Mercedes this time around.... (like me)
While i think the M340i will still run circles around it despite the 100hp difference on paper, But a 500hp V8 also has its charm that an FI 6 cylinders will never have.
Again, it all comes down to pricing....
4 series just ugly itself out.... The new C class including C63 will be a fucking 4 cylinders
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While i think the M340i will still run circles around it despite the 100hp difference on paper, But a 500hp V8 also has its charm that an FI 6 cylinders will never have.
Again, it all comes down to pricing....
Last edited by oonowindoo; 02-22-2021 at 04:25 PM.
#2171
Ex-OEM King
The other factor is that Lexus interiors, while nice, are ancient compared to the newer tech in other brands. Also, I agree that this will compete with the M340, S4, C43, etc lineup, not the "true" performance cars of our time. If this lands in the low to mid 50's, they'll have a winner.
#2172
Team Owner
yah those black plastic pieces, especially near the idrive knob area look cheap AF.... but hey i can overlook all of those if the price is right.
#2173
Team Owner
I just went over to Lexus.com and built an IS350 Fsport...
I
so hard...
Are they the new BMW? I can't remember the last time I noticed a Luxury brand charge $1100 for the sunroof
, especially on their top trim IS350 or Navigation package
Or buying a Fsport then have to spend another $3000 for the actual F sport package... ![rofl](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
I
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Are they the new BMW? I can't remember the last time I noticed a Luxury brand charge $1100 for the sunroof
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#2174
2016 Acura TLX
Also the wider infotainment screen isn't standard on the IS350. I was curiously browsing inventory or cars.com and nearly all of them had the smaller screen that looks like its out of a Rav4. Even Acura knows that people like big screens. Oh and good luck finding a single F-sport with the triple beam headlights.
#2175
Safety Car
I personally love it....any time a naturally aspirated V8, RWD sport sedan comes out? I'm all in. I thought all car enthusiasts will welcome this. The era of the NA V8 is dying and of all companies..To-motherfucking-yota comes out with a big V8 sport sedan...lmao
High revving NA V8 with the quality and reliability of Lexus??? Yes please.
Indeed they are not the cutting edge in terms of infotainment or really flashy interior design...(I wonder if that center armrest/shifter area looks worse in photos than in real life....at least its not some piano black plastic that looks great in photos but is instantly fugly/dirty in RL....looks like they decided against shiny bits to break up that area like what M340i did with the metal-looking center area....)...probably a sign of toyota's conservative design philosophy and preferring function over form
Funny how the Japanese are putting out new big displacement V8 sport sedans while Europeans are going 4-poppers....lol
And then if the rumors of a potential LC-F is true...oh man.
High revving NA V8 with the quality and reliability of Lexus??? Yes please.
Indeed they are not the cutting edge in terms of infotainment or really flashy interior design...(I wonder if that center armrest/shifter area looks worse in photos than in real life....at least its not some piano black plastic that looks great in photos but is instantly fugly/dirty in RL....looks like they decided against shiny bits to break up that area like what M340i did with the metal-looking center area....)...probably a sign of toyota's conservative design philosophy and preferring function over form
Funny how the Japanese are putting out new big displacement V8 sport sedans while Europeans are going 4-poppers....lol
And then if the rumors of a potential LC-F is true...oh man.
Last edited by nist7; 02-22-2021 at 07:48 PM.
#2176
Senior Moderator
I personally love it....any time a naturally aspirated V8, RWD sport sedan comes out? I'm all in. I thought all car enthusiasts will welcome this. The era of the NA V8 is dying and of all companies..To-motherfucking-yota comes out with a big V8 sport sedan...lmao
High revving NA V8 with the quality and reliability of Lexus??? Yes please.
Indeed they are not the cutting edge in terms of infotainment or really flashy interior design...(I wonder if that center armrest/shifter area looks worse in photos than in real life....at least its not some piano black plastic that looks great in photos but is instantly fugly/dirty in RL....looks like they decided against shiny bits to break up that area like what M340i did with the metal-looking center area....)...probably a sign of toyota's conservative design philosophy and preferring function over form
Funny how the Japanese are putting out new big displacement V8 sport sedans while Europeans are going 4-poppers....lol
And then if the rumors of a potential LC-F is true...oh man.
High revving NA V8 with the quality and reliability of Lexus??? Yes please.
Indeed they are not the cutting edge in terms of infotainment or really flashy interior design...(I wonder if that center armrest/shifter area looks worse in photos than in real life....at least its not some piano black plastic that looks great in photos but is instantly fugly/dirty in RL....looks like they decided against shiny bits to break up that area like what M340i did with the metal-looking center area....)...probably a sign of toyota's conservative design philosophy and preferring function over form
Funny how the Japanese are putting out new big displacement V8 sport sedans while Europeans are going 4-poppers....lol
And then if the rumors of a potential LC-F is true...oh man.
and I haven't even been keeping up with LC-F stuff - hope it happens!
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#2178
Ex-OEM King
My economy car can do 0-60 in 4.5s with half the cylinders and 60% less displacement.
#2180
Team Owner
M340i is already faster than RCF in 1/4 by half a sec and 3-4 mph higher trap speed. So i could only assume IS500 will be even slower.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 02-23-2021 at 12:39 PM.
#2181
Team Owner
I was just at the dealer dropping off my car for service and saw the M440i in person.... Nope.. still ugly..
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#2182
Moderator
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#2183
Team Owner
That 8 series in the background tho ![Drool](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/drool.gif)
Seriously, BMW didnt even have to try with the new 4 series, all they had to do is just make the 8 series smaller than they would have a winner!
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Seriously, BMW didnt even have to try with the new 4 series, all they had to do is just make the 8 series smaller than they would have a winner!
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#2184
Ex-OEM King
Or just used the styling from the normal 3 series. It really would have been just that easy lol.
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#2185
Three Wheelin'
From a distance that 8 series looks like a 3 series to me. It's hard to tell the difference. Not that it's a bad thing since they're both good looking cars unlike the 4 series.
The other thing that makes the 4 series worse is sticking a license plate in the middle of it. I already hate front plates but I hate them more on that car lol
The other thing that makes the 4 series worse is sticking a license plate in the middle of it. I already hate front plates but I hate them more on that car lol
#2186
Team Owner
in real life, you will not confuse a 8 series with a 3 series.. from a distance or close up...
M8 GC .... if only....
M8 GC .... if only....
#2187
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Yea I guess it depends on the price. Low $60k would be sweet for a fully loaded one (as loaded as the IS350 F Sport for $55k). It's definitely missing some features that others offer, it's riding on a 2013 chassis with so little update, and the interior is barely updated since 2013 (there's still a CD player!). These are reasons that it should be over $65k IMO.
But for those that want a NA V8 relatively high revving engine in a sports sedan with Toyota legendary reliability, this is it. That's probably enough reason to get one. This engine with an aftermarket exhaust sounds glorious (start at 1:20). Can't get the same engine/exhaust note with today's turbo 6:
But for those that want a NA V8 relatively high revving engine in a sports sedan with Toyota legendary reliability, this is it. That's probably enough reason to get one. This engine with an aftermarket exhaust sounds glorious (start at 1:20). Can't get the same engine/exhaust note with today's turbo 6:
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nist7 (02-27-2021)
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There is nothing special about the car other than that 472hp NA V8.... that is it...It is Old school
But with how the new cars are in terms of driving characteristics.. being old school right now might not be a bad thing... so we will have to see how it actually drives.
Just looked at the potential release date.. it will be the 2nd half of the year.... i might not be able to wait for that long... oh well..
But with how the new cars are in terms of driving characteristics.. being old school right now might not be a bad thing... so we will have to see how it actually drives.
Just looked at the potential release date.. it will be the 2nd half of the year.... i might not be able to wait for that long... oh well..
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Yea, old school is probably not a bad thing. But ya, it's riding on an old chassis with not a lot of changes. And the interior looks very dated already. In that sense spending $60k+ seems excessive.
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I thought car enthusiasts loved old school stuff?
Miata - old school formula continuing - small light weight, NA motor, MT available, RWD, minimal electronics. GT350 - high revving NA V8, MT, interior and reliability is crap and mustang chassis - but loved. GT3 - high revving NA 6, MT, the holy grail of THE driver's car for many entusiasts. New NSX - many people wish it was a revival of the old school NSX but more hp..how many would LOVE to see the new NSX with a NA V10, manual trans, rwd and delete the hybrid stuff?
Or Hellcats - supercharged V8 in old ass/heavy-ass chassis...interior is shit...Doge is like..who the fuck cares..lets make 700hp cars that goes fast AF....and some have MT options too....sells like hot cakes.
Most cars going turbo, many cars with no MT option, most have electronics out the wazoo....cars like S2k, OG NSX, the first gen Ford GT, E92/46 M3, etc. going for crazy money on BaT.
Downside of course for this IS500 is that it is not a true "F" car...basically using RC-F motor in a IS F sport....no MT...older chassis...interior....probably would've been way too much money for Toyota develop new chassis/interior to be a true 2nd gent IS-F...
Miata - old school formula continuing - small light weight, NA motor, MT available, RWD, minimal electronics. GT350 - high revving NA V8, MT, interior and reliability is crap and mustang chassis - but loved. GT3 - high revving NA 6, MT, the holy grail of THE driver's car for many entusiasts. New NSX - many people wish it was a revival of the old school NSX but more hp..how many would LOVE to see the new NSX with a NA V10, manual trans, rwd and delete the hybrid stuff?
Or Hellcats - supercharged V8 in old ass/heavy-ass chassis...interior is shit...Doge is like..who the fuck cares..lets make 700hp cars that goes fast AF....and some have MT options too....sells like hot cakes.
Most cars going turbo, many cars with no MT option, most have electronics out the wazoo....cars like S2k, OG NSX, the first gen Ford GT, E92/46 M3, etc. going for crazy money on BaT.
Downside of course for this IS500 is that it is not a true "F" car...basically using RC-F motor in a IS F sport....no MT...older chassis...interior....probably would've been way too much money for Toyota develop new chassis/interior to be a true 2nd gent IS-F...
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#2191
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^ the difference is that none of those cars are trying to be anything but a ludicrous engine strapped to a car. They're not trying to be luxury, they're trying (and succeeding) to be ridiculous and that's what sells them.
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Though elements of "old school" is still very much appreciated in the car enthusiast world, IMO. And that was part of my point.
What if Lexus came out with say a IS-F 2.0? big NA V8, MT option, RWD, but also with great interior luxury and updated infotainment....marrying old school drive-train AND new school interior/infotainment...I think that is one formula that most enthusiasts would love to see come back....
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Minimal investment + enough old school buyers still out there = enough potential ROI for Toyota to make it worth their while.
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Fair enough on that point
Though elements of "old school" is still very much appreciated in the car enthusiast world, IMO. And that was part of my point.
What if Lexus came out with say a IS-F 2.0? big NA V8, MT option, RWD, but also with great interior luxury and updated infotainment....marrying old school drive-train AND new school interior/infotainment...I think that is one formula that most enthusiasts would love to see come back....
Though elements of "old school" is still very much appreciated in the car enthusiast world, IMO. And that was part of my point.
What if Lexus came out with say a IS-F 2.0? big NA V8, MT option, RWD, but also with great interior luxury and updated infotainment....marrying old school drive-train AND new school interior/infotainment...I think that is one formula that most enthusiasts would love to see come back....
A IS-F to actually take on the Germans would make more sense than tossing an antiquated engine into an antiquated car.
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That's right, SamDoe1. This is just another example of Lexus phoning it in, which is really dangerous for them as a brand. So far, they've survived on reputation alone as their current vehicle line-up isn't class-leading in any objective measure (and subjectively they're ugly as sin). Too many swings-and-a-miss like this, and they'll lose a whole generation of car-buyers who will dismiss Lexus as "the brand that used to be good".
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The only thing I hate is the stupid finger pad control. Terrible. Otherwise, I'd rock this car.
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Yea gotta agree with Yeh and SameDoe1. It's one thing to create a car with old-school tradition, but it's another to just throw in an old engine into an old car/chassis. There are likely enough people that would buy the IS 500. Though the other view that Lexus is investing very little to sedans is true too. The IS runs on the same platform as the RC and GS, so throwing that V8 into the IS is arguably not very difficult. It's probably easier than fitting the 3.5L 6-cyl TT from the LS. They've made no mention of strengthening the chassis. They simply bolted on bigger brakes, adaptive dampers, and LSD to handle the extra power. The IS when it came out in 2014 was praised for its driving dynamics. But over the years others have improved and the IS is a bit behind already.
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^ Already had the V8 in the IS-F which was discontinued about a year ago, so really no extra work required (basically just renamed the IS-F the IS F-Sport Performance).
Sticking in the TTV6 from the LS 500 would have required more engineering work/cost.
Sticking in the TTV6 from the LS 500 would have required more engineering work/cost.
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You're right, my bad - but the chassis is essentially carried over.