AsianRage

I think you're really joking with these statements....

CocheseUGA

You're really taking the criticism personally.

majin ssj eric

Well its true that the first thing most people look for in a high performance supercar is what type of door latches it has....

I just think that alot of these criticsms stem from the fact that this is a Japanese supercar and not European. The same thing happened with the GT-R. Its a Toyota or Nissan so how dare they charge any more than $40k for a sports car, right?

I'm of the opinion that ANY car company willing to release a 580 hp V10 supercar in today's climate of idiotic environmentalism and economic crisis derserves a

(Cj)

+1

FastAcura

I think the fact that Acura is lightyears behind is what's getting to all these people.

Imagine what other forums were saying for Acura selling an almost 15 year old V6 NSX with a few facelifts for over $100K? :S

FiveLiterCheater

The thing there is the NSX was, and still is in some cases, better than the competition while being much cheaper. Can't say the LFA is better than the competition, and you can't say its cheaper

majin ssj eric

You also can't say its not better than the competition because nobody has tested one yet....

VTEC Racer

Very true. Even until 2005, the NSX was a strong performer. If memory serves me right, EVEN IN 2005, you couldn't get an IMPORT car that outperformed the NSX for less money. This is a 15 year old car we are talking about. The LFA has been outperformed before it has even gone on sale.

FastAcura

Is that a joke? The NSX ran a 8:38 at the ring. Boxter S was 6 seconds faster. Ford Focus ST was 3 seconds faster. S2000 and Mazdaspeed 3 (a sub $30K car) were only one second slower. Those are just a few cars with the same performance that cost a fraction of the NSX.

If we were going by that, the C6 would be the ultimate car. Acura won't come close to a car like the LF-A for another 10 years, at least. If we're to believe the rumors of each of the Nurburgring times (7:24 vs 7:37), then maybe even longer.


2005 JDM Honda NSX-R GT SpecificationsChassis
Brakes F/R: ABS, vented disc/vented disc
Tires F-R: n.a.
Driveline: Rear Wheel Drive
Engine
Type: V6
Displacement cu in (cc): 194 (3179)
Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 280(206) / 7300
Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: 220(298) / 5300
Redline at RPM: n.a.
Exterior
Length × Width × Height in: n.a.
Weight lb (kg): n.a.
Performance
Acceleration 0-62 mph s: n.a.
Top Speed mph (km/h): n.a.
Fuel Economy EPA city/highway mpg (l/100 km): n.a.

Base Price: 2005 JDM Honda NSX-R GT - $462,400 / 50,000,000 YEN (last update: 5/1/2007)

Belzebutt

At that price range who cares about a few % in performance... the difference between cars that counts is measured in how much exotic materials and technology is used and how fancy and unique the interior details are. I think they can easily make this car worth the asking price - for those who can afford one.

It's like a high-end watch. It doesn't tell time any faster and it's not more accurate, performance has nothing to do with the price.

VTEC Racer

Details like exposed door-latches?

srika

if you try to make sense of this car, you will fail.

majin ssj eric

You're really stuck on those exposed door latches, huh? I wonder how much extra hp hidden latches are worth in your little world?

FiveLiterCheater

Yeah, I tried when I first saw the press release and started reading up on it. If only it was mid-engine with a V-12 that can hit 9-10k, manual trans, and not so focking boring looking....then we MIGHT have a winner with a somewhat justifiable price. I'll get a 599GTB if was in the market for a thoroughbred FR super-car. Or even an Aston Martin DBS with the optional $30k watch that opens the doors

FiveLiterCheater

Tough call...




or...

srika

FiveLiterCheater

You can also get a LP640 for under $350k....decision keeps getting harder and harder doesn't? I feel bad for anyone in the market that has to choose between these and the new kid on the block
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Costco

^^^

VTEC Racer

I guess not as much as you considering you've felt obligated to respond to every post regarding the latches.

Belzebutt

Yeah but look at those exposed door latches. Obviously not a supercar.

CocheseUGA

Indeed.

I don't rip Lexus for trying, but you've gotta come harder than that to 'compete' at that price point. A better name wouldn't hurt, either.

majin ssj eric

No car is as good looking as a DBS. Thats a given. But I honestly like the LF-A better than the 599. Its one of the ugliest and boring-looking Ferraris ever made IMO...

And yeah it was a nice try by Lambo with the LP640 but damn those exposed door latches!!!

Belzebutt

Turns out the Ferrari F430 is not a supercar either...



Neither is the 599:




I think VTEC Racer owes Lexus an apology.

FiveLiterCheater

Did I miss something with the exposed door latches? What does that have to do with anything lol

and at 599GTB being ugly, then again you think the LFA looks nice so I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. It may come of like i'm bashing the car, but I think it would be a great contender in the 100k category. No more, no less. Its somewhat insulting that this car is priced near a CGT....

dom

@ the latches.

Belzebutt

Well, looking back I think it started with CL6 saying this:

... and then VTEC Racer picked up on that, when neither of them bothered to check what Ferrari door latches look like.

After getting a good look at the 599 GTB's door latches I have to say the Lexus ones look very nice.

VTEC Racer

And how much more expensive is the Ferrari than the Lexus?




Looks like we have a match!

There is nothing wrong with exposed door latches. However, if someone is going to talk about detail being the thing that justifies the price tag of this car when it isn't performance, looks, prestige, etc..., I will call it out.

FiveLiterCheater

I couldn't think of anything that mattered less

majin ssj eric

My original point as well...

Belzebutt

When you come up with an argument, make sure to do your homework first. Your argument is that "attention to detail" = "no door latches on a car with price > X".

First X was $29,000.

Now you changed X to be "somewhere between the price of an LFA and the 599 GTB".

I'm curious how you will change the goal posts again when you look at the door latches on this picture:



Or this one:



So go ahead and accuse these cars of lacking attention to detail.

VTEC Racer

^^^^ The door latch on the Lambo doesn't look like a traditional door latch. Did you miss how the doors on the Lambo open? The door latch on the Aston is painted black in order to blend in. In fact, I had to look for it. I call it attention to detail because their is evidence that SOMETHING has been done to alter the appearance from just a regular door latch.

I also suggest that you read the names of the posters of posts you read because I never compared $29,000 anything to the LFA. Like I said in my last post, there is nothing wrong with exposed door latches. Why are you making such a big deal about it and getting so defensive? Are you offended by this? It obviously does bother you enough to go to the effort to make several posts with pictures.

Instead of getting so excited and your panties in a bunch over nothing, maybe take the time to slow down and read.

VTEC Racer

Let me make a separate post about it.

I don't care about exposed door-latches. MOST cars have them. I have a car with exposed door latches. If I was looking for a car that is claimed to have focused attention on detail, I would not expect exposed door latches that are shared with a Toyota Yaris. Would I care? NO. Would I notice it? YES. End of story. Get over it. I am.

Belzebutt

^ You might be over it, but you just can't resist parting with ANOTHER completely inaccurate criticism of the LFA.

1) Look again, the LFA does not share its door latches with the Yaris, the LFA one doesn't have any screws exposed and it looks very smooth (and the black part looks painted, so SOMETHING was done to alter its appearance). Look at the Ferrari 599 latch, it arguably looks a lot worse than the Yaris, and yet it's never been considered an issue.

2) First the issue was that door latches must be hidden on expensive cars or else the LFA is not up to par in "attention to detail", but on a 1 million Euro Aston Martin it's sufficient to just paint the latch a different color and that's good enough? And making it a "different shape" like on a Lambo is suppose to make it prettier than on the LFA/Ferrari? That makes no sense.


Come clean and admit that the LFA door latch is not an issue AT ALL when it comes to attention to detail. It's just fine compared to the competition. Admit that the car has adequate "attention to detail".

LessisBestmakingendsmeet

Let us all get this right and soak this in. Instead of talking about the carbon fiber weaving, the V-10 engine, the ceramic brakes and all its technological features, you are stuck on "door latches" like a 3 year old.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone complain about "door latches" on ANY car let alone exotics like these. Belzebutt and others have called you out on something so insignificant its sad you brought it up.

Then you have NO PROOF it shares any door latch.

You have 31 posts in this thread just trying your best to destroy this car.

Sarlacc got it right the first time.


It is embarrassing to talk about door latches on exotic cars. This should be linked to FerrariChat. They would die of laughter.

(Cj)

@LessisBestmakingendsmeet

FiveLiterCheater

Looks like that Aston has CF door latches

srika

hay guys i found another vehicle with a shoddy and clearly half-ass manufactured exposed door latch.. f'ing slackers!!!!

srika

eyesore!

Belzebutt

^ Dude, those are like, from the Yaris! Or in the Veyron's case more likely from the Polo. And unlike on the Lexus you can actually see the screws.

Like I said, two guys in this thread need to apologize to Lexus. RIGHT NOW.

srika

the LFA does have a pretty clean latch, by comparison.