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#401
#403
#404
Well, it is different in the sense that the Audi engine is mounted longitudinally. That being said, I'll be the one who says it - FWD? No thanks.
#405
All this ignoring that his car that he actually owns has classic Quattro which is a RWD-biased AWD system. And that makes his car FWD and him fooling himself.
Mmmm hmmmm.
Saintor must have a Doctorate in Dumbfuckery.
#406
So he already owns a FWD car and shouldn't fool himself because a different model from the manufacturer of his car uses a different AWD system from his car and that different AWD system is FWD-based, and AWD on demand. And because the manufacturer of his car makes a version of his car that is FWD only.
All this ignoring that his car that he actually owns has classic Quattro which is a RWD-biased AWD system. And that makes his car FWD and him fooling himself.
Mmmm hmmmm.
Saintor must have a Doctorate in Dumbfuckery.
All this ignoring that his car that he actually owns has classic Quattro which is a RWD-biased AWD system. And that makes his car FWD and him fooling himself.
Mmmm hmmmm.
Saintor must have a Doctorate in Dumbfuckery.
And honestly, if I had the quattro ultra, I would still say "FWD? Who cares?" because quattro ultra is only FWD when the rears aren't needed and no major reviewers can tell the difference.
#407
So he already owns a FWD car and shouldn't fool himself because a different model from the manufacturer of his car uses a different AWD system from his car and that different AWD system is FWD-based, and AWD on demand. And because the manufacturer of his car makes a version of his car that is FWD only.
All this ignoring that his car that he actually owns has classic Quattro which is a RWD-biased AWD system. And that makes his car FWD and him fooling himself.
Mmmm hmmmm.
Saintor must have a Doctorate in Dumbfuckery.
All this ignoring that his car that he actually owns has classic Quattro which is a RWD-biased AWD system. And that makes his car FWD and him fooling himself.
Mmmm hmmmm.
Saintor must have a Doctorate in Dumbfuckery.
This platform was born as a FWD, and the only thing that could make it "RWD-biased" is the rear torque vectoring differential, same type as on TLX, also born as a FWD.
#408
A rare moment of introspection from you. Quite refreshing!
The car is AWD with a RWD bias. That is the equipped drivetrain.
That is what makes it most decidedly not FWD. Your mental midget gymnastics do not change the facts.
This platform was born as a FWD, and the only thing that could make it "RWD-biased" is the rear torque vectoring differential, same type as on TLX, also born as a FWD.
That is what makes it most decidedly not FWD. Your mental midget gymnastics do not change the facts.
#409
If you don't understand the difference between the RWD biased Torsen system in an A4 quattro vs the SH-AWD in your bland-mobile, you probably shouldn't be driving or have free open access to the internet.
#410
Saintor sprung for SH-AWD? For some reason I am under the impression that his bland-mobile is pure FWD.
#411
I have yet to see pictures, but knowing him, he might actually think SH-AWD is spelled "PAWS". Heck, he has probably been driving around in the FWD I4 this whole time.
#412
The car is AWD with a RWD bias. That is the equipped drivetrain.
Quattro systems in A4/A6/A8 have been known and set to understeer for a long time. These kraut-mobiles are fundamentally FWD platforms. They always were.
Audi Drive Select, an option before, is now standard in on A4 2017+. And yes, like Acura SH-AWD vectoring system, they now show some RWD bias, like Acura newest SH-AWD. This has nothing to do with the Torsen or Haldex-type, little boy.
Also, the little boy with a stick in the butt will be happy to learn that Audi is giving up the the Torsen system and all replace it with Haldex-type.
http://jalopnik.com/audis-high-tech-...-bi-1760502139
#413
Maybe between your little shaky hands, in the unreliable empty brain of yours, but no, it is not.
Quattro systems in A4/A6/A8 have been known and set to understeer for a long time. These kraut-mobiles are fundamentally FWD platforms. They always were.
Audi Drive Select, an option before, is now standard in on A4 2017+. And yes, like Acura SH-AWD vectoring system, they now show some RWD bias, like Acura newest SH-AWD. This has nothing to do with the Torsen or Haldex-type, little boy.
Also, the little boy with a stick in the butt will be happy to learn that Audi is giving up the the Torsen system and all replace it with Haldex-type.
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Quattro systems in A4/A6/A8 have been known and set to understeer for a long time. These kraut-mobiles are fundamentally FWD platforms. They always were.
Audi Drive Select, an option before, is now standard in on A4 2017+. And yes, like Acura SH-AWD vectoring system, they now show some RWD bias, like Acura newest SH-AWD. This has nothing to do with the Torsen or Haldex-type, little boy.
Also, the little boy with a stick in the butt will be happy to learn that Audi is giving up the the Torsen system and all replace it with Haldex-type.
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You could write a 1000 page treatise explaining why an AWD drivetrain is FWD and you would still be wrong because the drivetrain stubbornly remains AWD.
Have some pride in yourself.
#414
Even C&D described the S5 2018 handling with "mild understeer". Stock they have always been like that. Have some intelligence, idiot. Get educated and THEN, talk about something you know.
#415
Maybe between your little shaky hands, in the unreliable empty brain of yours, but no, it is not.
Quattro systems in A4/A6/A8 have been known and set to understeer for a long time. These kraut-mobiles are fundamentally FWD platforms. They always were.
Audi Drive Select, an option before, is now standard in on A4 2017+. And yes, like Acura SH-AWD vectoring system, they now show some RWD bias, like Acura newest SH-AWD. This has nothing to do with the Torsen or Haldex-type, little boy.
Also, the little boy with a stick in the butt will be happy to learn that Audi is giving up the the Torsen system and all replace it with Haldex-type.
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Quattro systems in A4/A6/A8 have been known and set to understeer for a long time. These kraut-mobiles are fundamentally FWD platforms. They always were.
Audi Drive Select, an option before, is now standard in on A4 2017+. And yes, like Acura SH-AWD vectoring system, they now show some RWD bias, like Acura newest SH-AWD. This has nothing to do with the Torsen or Haldex-type, little boy.
Also, the little boy with a stick in the butt will be happy to learn that Audi is giving up the the Torsen system and all replace it with Haldex-type.
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We all get your tired narrative. You bought an Acura TLX and now you regret it. You make up for it by saying blatantly wrong things about the cars you wish you had bought instead. You have textbook buyer's remorse.
Newsflash: AWD cars sometimes understeer. I thought you understood cars.
#416
Are you sure you're a car enthusiast? You seem to know very little about anything.
We all get your tired narrative. You bought an Acura TLX and now you regret it. You make up for it by saying blatantly wrong things about the cars you wish you had bought instead. You have textbook buyer's remorse.
Newsflash: AWD cars sometimes understeer. I thought you understood cars.
We all get your tired narrative. You bought an Acura TLX and now you regret it. You make up for it by saying blatantly wrong things about the cars you wish you had bought instead. You have textbook buyer's remorse.
Newsflash: AWD cars sometimes understeer. I thought you understood cars.
#418
Understeer, by itself, is not an indicator of FWD bias. Hell, the first iteration of the Aventador was known for it's tendency to understeer and you can bet that thing isn't FWD biased. Same thing with the Hurucan.
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#419
Saint Or must be the patron saint of either conflation or dunces. I will let you pick.
#422
Originally Posted by Saintor
Well oonowindoo's 4 series is RWD which is really just FWD driving in reverse, so you, little boy have FWD because I went to preschool once but got busted for hard drugs.
#423
Probably when i go reverse
But yah under and oversteer is not a FWD or RWD only kinda thing, i am sure most of us here know that. You can simply change the size of the tires or certain suspension component/camber and it will go from under to over vice versa regardless if the car is FWD or RWD.
But yah under and oversteer is not a FWD or RWD only kinda thing, i am sure most of us here know that. You can simply change the size of the tires or certain suspension component/camber and it will go from under to over vice versa regardless if the car is FWD or RWD.
#426
Actually BMW has it... F10 5 series had it... But it was one of those things that was not even worth mentioning for BMW
Acura actually took the time and created a new technical term for it and put a badge on the trunk
I don't mind trading it in for Acura, only the day when TLX can only be driven in reverse with the steering wheel at the trunk end.
Acura actually took the time and created a new technical term for it and put a badge on the trunk
I don't mind trading it in for Acura, only the day when TLX can only be driven in reverse with the steering wheel at the trunk end.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 08-09-2017 at 11:57 AM.
#428
Actually BMW has it... F10 5 series had it... But it was one of those things that was not even worth mentioning for BMW
Acura actually took the time and created a new technical term for it and put a badge on the trunk
I don't mind trading it in for Acura, only the day when TLX can only be driven in reverse with the steering wheel at the trunk end.
Acura actually took the time and created a new technical term for it and put a badge on the trunk
I don't mind trading it in for Acura, only the day when TLX can only be driven in reverse with the steering wheel at the trunk end.
IT'S THAT KIND OF THRILL
#433
5 things to know about the 2019 Lexus ES luxury sedan
The Lexus ES and LS were the first Lexus sedans to debut when the brand launched in 1989, appearing at that year's Detroit auto show. For five generations it used the same platform as the compact Toyota Camry sedan, but in gen six it moved to the bones of the bigger Avalon sedan. Now it's on another new platform and finally gets an F Sport version. We experienced all of this at a drive event in Nashville last week, and we'll have behind-the-wheel impressions coming soon. In the meantime, know that Lexus focused on making the ES stiffer and more dynamic -- and faster -- all things we like. Here are five things to know about the new car:
It’s a tweener.
The ES’ new platform (GA-K) is based on Toyota’s New Global Architecture and adds 2.6 inches of length and almost 2 inches of width to the company’s midsizer. That slots it perfectly in between the 3- and 5-Series BMWs and the C- and E-Class Mercedes sedans. That might give it an edge in sales, where it currently flirts with the lead along with the 5 and E in the midsize luxury category. It looks closer to 5-Series size too, and feels it inside.
One new and one old grille
The ES300h hybrid and ES350 get a vertical interpretation of the company’s spindle grille. That’s how you’ll be able to spot the model year ’19 on the street. Up close, it looks a little weird, especially if you don’t hate the current horizontal versions on the LS and GS sedans. The ES350 F Sport gets the diamond-pattern grille, which is actually little Ls inverted on each other.
It gets an F Sport model
The ES was the only Lexus sedan not to have an F Sport version, but for the seventh generation, that has changed. Like the others, there’s no power bump, but it does get extra cutouts in the bumper and fancier headlights. At the corners, look for darker, 19-inch wheels as opposed to 17s or 18s, and two new colors: ultra sonic blue mica 2.0 and ultra white. The killer feature is the company’s Adaptive Variable Suspension, which is only offered on this flavor of ES.
More power
Engineers tweaked the 3.5-liter V6 for 2019. It now makes 302 hp, up from 268 hp, and 267 lb-ft, up from 248 lb-ft. That positions the ES much better against its rivals from BMW and Mercedes, which both have sixes that make 320 hp and 329 hp, respectively. All get an eight-speed automatic transmission, and gas mileage is up to 22 city, 33 highway.
Auto Glide Control
As far as weirdly named options go, Mercedes is the king. Magic Sky Control? Airscarf? Distronic? What does any of that even mean? Lexus wanted in on the action, hence its Auto Glide Control, which arrives with the ES300 hybrid. AGC “is designed to address the situation where drivers misjudge the drag imposed by regenerative brakes as they approach a stop.” Basically the ES hybrid will coast more readily to slow at a more predictable rate, instead of using the engine brake/regen to get battery life back. It's a more efficient way, according to Lexus.
It’s a tweener.
The ES’ new platform (GA-K) is based on Toyota’s New Global Architecture and adds 2.6 inches of length and almost 2 inches of width to the company’s midsizer. That slots it perfectly in between the 3- and 5-Series BMWs and the C- and E-Class Mercedes sedans. That might give it an edge in sales, where it currently flirts with the lead along with the 5 and E in the midsize luxury category. It looks closer to 5-Series size too, and feels it inside.
One new and one old grille
The ES300h hybrid and ES350 get a vertical interpretation of the company’s spindle grille. That’s how you’ll be able to spot the model year ’19 on the street. Up close, it looks a little weird, especially if you don’t hate the current horizontal versions on the LS and GS sedans. The ES350 F Sport gets the diamond-pattern grille, which is actually little Ls inverted on each other.
It gets an F Sport model
The ES was the only Lexus sedan not to have an F Sport version, but for the seventh generation, that has changed. Like the others, there’s no power bump, but it does get extra cutouts in the bumper and fancier headlights. At the corners, look for darker, 19-inch wheels as opposed to 17s or 18s, and two new colors: ultra sonic blue mica 2.0 and ultra white. The killer feature is the company’s Adaptive Variable Suspension, which is only offered on this flavor of ES.
More power
Engineers tweaked the 3.5-liter V6 for 2019. It now makes 302 hp, up from 268 hp, and 267 lb-ft, up from 248 lb-ft. That positions the ES much better against its rivals from BMW and Mercedes, which both have sixes that make 320 hp and 329 hp, respectively. All get an eight-speed automatic transmission, and gas mileage is up to 22 city, 33 highway.
Auto Glide Control
As far as weirdly named options go, Mercedes is the king. Magic Sky Control? Airscarf? Distronic? What does any of that even mean? Lexus wanted in on the action, hence its Auto Glide Control, which arrives with the ES300 hybrid. AGC “is designed to address the situation where drivers misjudge the drag imposed by regenerative brakes as they approach a stop.” Basically the ES hybrid will coast more readily to slow at a more predictable rate, instead of using the engine brake/regen to get battery life back. It's a more efficient way, according to Lexus.
#434
More power
Engineers tweaked the 3.5-liter V6 for 2019. It now makes 302 hp, up from 268 hp, and 267 lb-ft, up from 248 lb-ft. That positions the ES much better against its rivals from BMW and Mercedes, which both have sixes that make 320 hp and 329 hp, respectively. All get an eight-speed automatic transmission, and gas mileage is up to 22 city, 33 highway.
Engineers tweaked the 3.5-liter V6 for 2019. It now makes 302 hp, up from 268 hp, and 267 lb-ft, up from 248 lb-ft. That positions the ES much better against its rivals from BMW and Mercedes, which both have sixes that make 320 hp and 329 hp, respectively. All get an eight-speed automatic transmission, and gas mileage is up to 22 city, 33 highway.
#435
https://jalopnik.com/lexus-beat-audi...ark-1828997536
The 2019 Lexus ES will keep that snarly spindle grille, but otherwise it’s shaping up to look like an alright car. And Lexus claims that it has the world’s first, production-ready Digital Outer Mirrors. But only in Japan. Blame America’s outdated regulations for this one.
Now, this isn’t a totally new idea. Audi has explored it before with the E-Tron SUV concept and the Volkswagen XL1 had them, but the ones on the Lexus are supposedly the first ones to make it to production on a Real Car.
The car will have small cameras in the place of traditional wing mirrors that transmit the images onto five-inch display monitors, located at the base of the A-pillars. So, you theoretically wouldn’t have to look anywhere different.
Lexus says that one of the advantages of its digital system is that the cameras are shaped so that rain and snow won’t block the lens and obscure the driver’s view. What’s more:
By reducing the size of the wing mirrors with the cameras, visibility through the front windows should be largely improved. Wind noise into the cabin should also be decreased.
I’d imagine these wing mirrors to function similarly to Cadillac’s camera-using rearview mirror. That took a little getting used to, and I found that if I got snow or dirt on the car, the lens got blocked. Hopefully that won’t happen with the Lexus.
And yes, this is in Japan only. Probably because they don’t pass regulation here. Yet. American car safety regulations are always slower to adapt than other markets. And as the The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers’ publication Spectrum noted back in 2014, while rearview backup cameras are now mandatory, the jury seems out on how best to get drivers to adapt:
Maybe someday. But for now, only in Japan.
Now, this isn’t a totally new idea. Audi has explored it before with the E-Tron SUV concept and the Volkswagen XL1 had them, but the ones on the Lexus are supposedly the first ones to make it to production on a Real Car.
The car will have small cameras in the place of traditional wing mirrors that transmit the images onto five-inch display monitors, located at the base of the A-pillars. So, you theoretically wouldn’t have to look anywhere different.
Lexus says that one of the advantages of its digital system is that the cameras are shaped so that rain and snow won’t block the lens and obscure the driver’s view. What’s more:
The system automatically enhances the corresponding area―left, right or behind―when the turn signals are activated, or when the transmission is put into reverse. The view of areas around the car can be manually enhanced by the driver to obtain complete peripheral awareness of the area around the vehicle.
I’d imagine these wing mirrors to function similarly to Cadillac’s camera-using rearview mirror. That took a little getting used to, and I found that if I got snow or dirt on the car, the lens got blocked. Hopefully that won’t happen with the Lexus.
And yes, this is in Japan only. Probably because they don’t pass regulation here. Yet. American car safety regulations are always slower to adapt than other markets. And as the The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers’ publication Spectrum noted back in 2014, while rearview backup cameras are now mandatory, the jury seems out on how best to get drivers to adapt:
But, the real challenge according to Fitch is trying to determine where to place the display in the vehicle so that there’s a seamless transition from driving a vehicle with a display and then without it. He doesn’t want drivers to depend on displays and forget how to drive vehicles without cameras.
Reimer, too, is concerned about reeducating drivers who learned to drive with traditional mirrors.
“Just sticking a camera in there and not educating people how the best effective way for them to use that information is an issue we still need to conquer,” he says. “We’re capable of changing the technology faster than we are capable of changing the driver today.”
Reimer, too, is concerned about reeducating drivers who learned to drive with traditional mirrors.
“Just sticking a camera in there and not educating people how the best effective way for them to use that information is an issue we still need to conquer,” he says. “We’re capable of changing the technology faster than we are capable of changing the driver today.”
#437
I am all for innovations but what is the difference between the reflection from a mirror and a picture on a screen? You will have to look at it with your eyes either way
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