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Old 09-21-2010, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by vybzkartel
And ya'll bashing Honda for selling the V6 RL for $50k?
Oh no. The bashing has to do with almost everything OTHER than the price, which is pretty damn competitive.
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Have anyone actually seen the New M on the road? I've seen two on the road since its release this spring, one on 14th street, and one cruising the streets of The Bronx. The car looks blah in person.

My vote still remains:

F10 > E550 > XF > M37
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Seen only 1 so far, on the FDR. .........I've seen 2 ZDX's......in The BX!
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Originally Posted by vybzkartel
Seen only 1 so far, on the FDR. .........I've seen 2 ZDX's......in The BX!
Exactly my point. I've seen numerous E350 Coupes and Sedans on the road, and on Saturday alone, I saw a handful of the F10s. Both are absolutely gorgeous in person. But the M37 I just don't see anyone driving.

As far as ZDX's go, comes to mind.
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I've driven a few M37s and a M56S at work and yes they are gorgeous cars but I don't think they are worthy of a $60k price tag. $50k? Sure.
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Infiniti today unveiled its first production hybrid performance luxury sedan, the all-new 2012 Infiniti M35h, during a press conference at the Los Angeles Auto Show. The new Infiniti Hybrid, which is set to launch at Infiniti retailers nationwide in spring 2011, stands to break new ground as the first true luxury performance “driver’s” hybrid – and the only vehicle to offer more than 350 horsepower and 30 miles per gallon fuel economy (estimated Highway mpg, official EPA figures not available at press time).

Speaking at the North American unveiling, Infiniti Vice President Ben Poore stated, “Simply put, the Infiniti M Hybrid will be the most advanced performance luxury sedan hybrid in the market, delivering V8 power and 4-cylinder fuel efficiency.”

The 2012 Infiniti M Hybrid will be on display at the Los Angeles Convention Center, along with the complete line of 2011 Infiniti vehicles, from Friday, Nov. 19th through Sunday, Nov. 28th.

The Infiniti M35h features the all-new Infiniti Direct Response Hybrid™ system, an advanced one-motor, two-clutch parallel hybrid design that combines precise, high-speed motor control technology, which, enabled by the powerful Lithium-ion battery, allows power to be delivered directly to the vehicle’s 7-speed automatic transmission. The system also utilizes an innovative Hybrid Electric Power Steering system and Electric Driven Intelligent Brake regenerative braking system, both which help conserve energy and provide a natural, enjoyable driving feel.

The Infiniti M Hybrid’s exhilarating driving performance also greatly benefits from use of Infiniti’s proven 3.5-liter DOHC 24-valve V6 engine, which paired with the 50 kW electric motor, provides a hybrid system net power of 360 horsepower.

Torque figures are equally impressive, with the V6’s 258 lb-ft of toque combining with the electric motor’s immediately available 199 lb-ft of torque to provide strong performance. The result is a vehicle that first and foremost delivers a refined driving experience, along with expected best-in-class Combined fuel economy (estimated fuel economy 30 mpg Highway, 25 mpg City and 27 mpg Combined).

In addition, the new Infiniti M35h can drive on electric power alone at speeds up to 62 mph and can travel on electric propulsion for up to 1.2 miles at a time. Tests have shown that in mixed diving, the Infiniti M35h is able to drive in electric only mode for as much as 50% of the time. And, with its compact hybrid system design, the new Infiniti M35h also delivers uncompromised interior space and competitive trunk space.

The M35h also embraces the essence of all things Infiniti – style, performance, luxury, craftsmanship and technology. The Infiniti M’s dramatic, sports styling is matched with a roomy, comfortable interior environment featuring standard leather-appointed seating, Japanese Ash wood trim or available silver powdered genuine White Ash wood trim, and available premium audio and climate control systems.

Standard M35h features include Active Noise Control, Infiniti Intelligent Key with Push Button Ignition, XM® Satellite Radio (XM® subscription required, sold separately), Bluetooth® Hands-free Phone System and power sliding glass tinted moonroof. The Infiniti M Hybrid is also available with advanced technology features, including Blind Spot Warning (BSW), Blind Spot Intervention™ (BSI), Forest Air® system, Active Trace Control, and Infiniti Hard Drive Navigation System.

Also at the auto show, Infiniti was named by the Automotive Lease Guide as the “Best Luxury Brand” in their 12th annual ALG Residual Value Awards for having the best resale value of any luxury brand in America. The 2011 Infiniti QX56 was named “Best Luxury Fullsize Utility” vehicle.

“Within the last year, we’ve completely redesigned or enhanced 80% of our line-up. Since launch, the all-new 2011 Infiniti M and Infiniti QX are experiencing tremendous sales growth, with increases of more than 100% and nearly 200% respectively,” Poore added. “It’s an exciting time for Infiniti.”
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30 highway doesn't seem that impressive to me somehow. It's good but not great.
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For the HP under the hood, the mpg is pretty good and I think this could be a really winner in the segment. Problem is, Infiniti is most likely going to price it sky high and ridiculous thus making it not that more competitive in the mpg department then the gasoline 6cyls mpg put out by BMW right now, which is pretty good in of itself considering they are not hybrids.
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The price/cost for this will kill it.
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Pretty good numbers I think for a car with 360HP.



2012 Infiniti M35 Hybrid EPA Rated at 32 Highway, 27 City MPG
Rory Jurnecka
February 4 2011 3:00 PM


It may have taken Infiniti a little longer to put a hybrid offering in its lineup, but that’s about to be remedied with the 2012 Infiniti M35 Hybrid. Of course fuel economy is a chief consideration with any hybrid vehicle, and the M35 Hybrid has just been EPA certified at 27/32 mpg city/highway, with a combined rating of 29 mpg.

Featuring a 3.5-liter Atkinson-cycle V-6, two clutches (one wet, one dry) and a 50 kW electric motor, the M35 Hybrid boasts a combined 360 horsepower and is able to be driven on electric power alone. A seven-speed automatic transmission and a lithium-ion battery pack are also used. According to Infiniti, the M35 Hybrid is the only vehicle on the market that offers more than 350 horsepower while attaining over 30 mpg on the highway.

The M35 Hybrid’s economy rating compares favorably to that of the base model M37 with a 3.7-liter, 330-horsepower V-6, that car achieving 18/26 mpg city/highway with a combined rating of 21 mpg. It also tops the 22/25 mpg city/highway rated Lexus GS 450h, the vehicle that is arguably the M35’s closest competition.

Pricing for the 2012 Infiniti M35 Hybrid has not yet been announced, but is expected to fall in between that of the all-wheel-drive M37x and M56. The car will arrive in showrooms in Spring 2011.
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Pretty good numbers I think for a car with 360HP.

^ Decent numbers for sure but what is going to kill and hurt it is going to be Infiniti's ridiculous msrp and selling price for the damn thing!
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What is it?

This is the first application of Infiniti's new hybrid drivetrain, placed in a sportingly luxurious M37 sedan. To make an M hybrid, known on its trunk lid as the M35h, this car has a 3.5-liter V6 instead of the 3.7-liter from the M37, an electric motor/generator where the torque converter used to be and a 1.4-kilowatt-hour lithium-ion battery pack where half of the trunk used to be. Infiniti promises you'll get "V8 performance in a V6 engine with gas mileage like a 4-cylinder."

The 3.5-liter Atkinson-cycle V6 is longitudinally mounted and drives the rear wheels. Combined with a 50-kilowatt electric motor, it produces a hybrid system net power of 360 hp. Transmission is a 7-speed automatic. (It has 2 clutches but is not a dual-clutch system in the traditional sense; the 2nd clutch is at the back of the transmission and disengages to allow the motor/generator to start and stop the engine.) EPA mileage is 32 highway, 27 city and 29 combined.

What is it like to drive?

We drove it 34 miles through West Los Angeles traffic and, while we didn't really get to try out the full sports sedan part of the equation, it was at least a promising combination of luxury cachet and seemingly decent handling. A button on the center console allows you to switch driving modes: a fuel-sipping eco mode, which we absolutely couldn't stand because it felt as if there was a Coke bottle stuck under the gas pedal; a sport mode, which after our drive we felt should be the default position, and standard and snow modes.

We didn't get a chance to try out the 0-to-60-mph claim of less than 6 seconds, but we did learn that brake-torqueing a powertrain that shuts down at stoplights makes for a very awkward launch. Curb weight is 4,129 pounds, up 280 pounds from the M37 and 101 pounds more than the M56. So sub-6-second 0-to-60-mph runs seem at least plausible.

As for efficiency, the on-board computer showed that we got 23.2 mpg on our 33.7-mile morning drive through stop-and-go traffic. Gently feathering the throttle straight out of the parking lot, we only got 3 blocks before the internal-combustion engine kicked in, not the 1.2 miles Infiniti said it'll do, but that all varies depending on the battery pack's state of charge. The dashboard readout showed that we went 14.2 miles, or 42% of our 33.7-mile drive, on battery power.

Do I want it?

Do you want to pay $5,700 more and add 271 pounds to get 30 hp more and an additional 7 mpg? The V8-powered M56 has 420 hp and weighs 101 pounds less but costs $5,700 more and gives up 8 mpg. Juggle the numbers and see if you like them. No doubt for some, the "h" on the deck lid will be worth the cost of admission in eco chic.

As for driving, a more complete evaluation will be necessary before we can pass judgment on this sedan, but so far, so good.

It won't be too long before everything on the market is going to have some kind of mileage-stretching technology on it, to meet looming CAFE requirements. If this is the way carmakers are going to handle those challenges, the future might not be so bad.

2012 Infiniti M Hybrid
On Sale: Mid-March
Base Price: $52,200 (AW est based on Infiniti's hinting)
Drivetrain: 3.5-liter, 302-hp, 258-lb-ft V6; 50-kilowatt electric motor/generator; 360 hp hybrid system net power; RWD, seven-speed automatic
Curb Weight: 4,129 lb
0-60 MPH: Less than 6 sec (mfr)
Fuel Economy (EPA): 27/32/29 mpg city/hwy/combined
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$52 grand?!?!?!?


Pass the pipe Nissan!!!!
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No doubt for some, the "h" on the deck lid will be worth the cost of admission in eco chic.
That's the only thing it's good for since the numbers just don't add up otherwise.
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1st Test: 2012 Infiniti M M35h

Infiniti Builds a Hybrid for Those Who Hate Hybrids
February 18, 2011
/ By Rory Jurnecka

After 10 minutes behind the wheel of the 2012 Infiniti M35h, 1 thing becomes crystal clear: Infiniti engineers must despise hybrids. Rocketing up the twisting, hilly side streets of West Hollywood, this car sure doesn't feel like the next-door science teacher's hybrid. It's got gobs of rich, torquey power and an audible growl from its twin chrome exhaust tips. It even handles well and drives -- dare we say it? -- almost like a sports sedan. So what gives?

The M35h is Infiniti's first foray into hybrid waters, and it's obvious the brand wants to do things a little differently. Slotting into Infiniti's flagship M series lineup between the entry-level, 6-cylinder M37 and the range-topping , V-8-powered M56, the M hybrid gives buyers more power than the former and better fuel economy than either. With a total of 360 net horsepower between gasoline and electric propulsion systems, the M35h still achieves a combined fuel economy rating of 29 mpg (broken down as 27 city/32 highway). Those impressive numbers easily top the rear-drive M37's 18/26 mpg rating.

Infiniti's Direct Response Hybrid system is exclusive to the brand, and lies at the heart of the M35h. Developed completely in-house, the system boasts a 3.5-liter Atkinson-cycle V-6 with 302-horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque, a 50 kW electric motor, and 2 clutches, 1 dry and 1 wet. The dry clutch is positioned between the gasoline engine and electric motor, allowing independent operation of each, which helps increase overall efficiency. The wet clutch sits at the tail end of the M35h's 7-speed automatic transmission, nixing the need for a conventional torque converter. The setup saves weight and helps provide a crisper response from the gearbox.

A lithium-ion battery pack stashed behind the rear seat powers the electric motor, reducing available luggage space from 14.9 to 11.3 cubic-feet -- still enough room to carry up to 4 golf bags or 2 large suitcases, Infiniti says. In addition to powering the drive wheels with or without electrical assistance, the gasoline engine can also be used as a generator, recharging the battery pack during deceleration and braking. The M35h's steering is redesigned with a more efficient electro-hydraulic system that operates on demand, not continuously.

Setting off from a stop in the M35h reveals a faint noise we initially mistook for electric motor whine. The sound is actually Infiniti's Approaching Vehicle Sound for Pedestrians (VSP) system, a warning system designed to alert pedestrians of the otherwise silent M35h's presence when under electric-only power. VSP is active at speeds up to roughly 20 mph, reactivating when the speedometer needle drops below 15 mph. While other automakers have been developing similar systems, Infiniti says it is the 1st to bring the technology to market as standard equipment in a hybrid vehicle.

Infiniti designed the M35h to be capable of driving on electric power alone for up to 1.2 miles at speeds of up to 62 mph. The goal is to allow the car to stay in pure electric mode for longer distances than many other hybrids. Using the car's built-in electric mode odometer and a little right-foot restraint, we were able to stay in electric mode for an impressive 53 percent of one 26-mile, city-centric journey. Though the car tends to revert to gasoline mode sooner if the battery reserves are on the lower end of the scale (the system never allows the batteries to discharge fully), with a higher charge level, electric mode is easy, and even entertaining, to maintain.

Honestly, the biggest challenge in driving the M35h is refraining from mashing the throttle away from every stoplight, embarrassing drivers of slower, non-hybrid vehicles. As associate road test editor Carlos Lago exclaimed after a 5.1-second 0-60 mph run at our test venue, "Whoa, this thing is quick!" Immediately after, Lago went on to record a 13.6-second quarter-mile run at a trap speed of 104.5 mph. Quick indeed.

On the street, the M35h's handling and braking are both very good, with quick turn-in and a generally willing nature for a luxury sedan. At the track, though, the car was clearly oriented toward the comfort and safety end of the spectrum, exhibiting considerable body roll and plenty of understeer. Still, even with a curb weight of just over 4100 lbs, the car feels lively enough and is only 176 lbs more than a comparably equipped M37, according to Infiniti. Compared back-to-back on the road with an M37, the hybrid M feels significantly quicker, with sharper throttle response.

Visually, there's not a whole lot to differentiate the M35h from its gasoline-only counterparts, save the M35h badge on the car's rear deck lid. Interior appointments are up to the typically high standard of the M series. The hybrid features a unique instrument display with an electric-only odometer and a real-time power diagram displayed on the infotainment screen, allowing the driver to see whether gas or electric power (or both) are being used and current state of battery charge. All of Infiniti's optional equipment packages are offered in the M35h, and our tester had nearly the full smattering, including rich leather interior surfaces, a hard-drive-based navigation system, a 16-speaker Bose stereo, and climate-controlled front seats.

As Infiniti's 1st foray into the hybrid world, the M35h will help determine the future direction of the Japanese luxury brand's alternative powertrain strategy. Production figures and sales goals have yet to be determined, though the vehicle will be on sale in both the U.S. and Europe this spring. Infiniti engineers also say the hybrid powertrain could be a good match in some of the brand's other models, including the G sedan or QX SUV. Still, future Infiniti hybrids are currently far from certain, as execs will measure the success of the M35h before venturing further. After our stint in the M35h, we'd say Infiniti is off to a good start.
2012 Infiniti M35h
BASE PRICE $55,000 (est)
PRICE AS TESTED $65,000 (est)
VEHICLE LAYOUT Front engine, RWD, 5-pass, 4-door sedan
ENGINE 3.5L/302-hp/258-lb-ft DOHC 24-valve Atkinson-cycle V-6 plus 67-hp/199-lb-ft electric motor; 360 hp comb
TRANSMISSION 7-speed automatic
CURB WEIGHT (F/R DIST) 4143 lb (51/49%)
WHEELBASE 114.2 in
LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT 194.7 x 72.6 x 59.1 in
0-60 MPH 5.1 sec
QUARTER MILE 13.6 sec @ 104.5 mph
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 120 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.84 g (avg)
MT FIGURE EIGHT 26.9 sec @ 0.68 g (avg)
EPA CITY/HWY FUEL ECON 27/32 mpg
ENERGY CONSUMPTION, CITY/HWY 125/105 kW-hrs/100 miles
CO2 EMISSIONS 0.67 lb/mile
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That's all fine, but $65K?
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That's all fine, but $65K?
As I said, price is going to kill this thing!
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Pretty good numbers except for one... the MSRP.
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I wasn't kidding when I said "pass the pipe" before....but $65k??!?!?!


That's not drugs my friends....that is insanity.
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$65k isn't too bad considering the VW Touareg Hybrid is at $61k.
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^^ Sedan versus SUV price.......and what's competition is available in each classes price range....that's where it all goes wrong for this car.
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It is comparable to the GS450h pricing. In the end, the market will decide.
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It is comparable to the GS450h pricing. In the end, the market will decide.
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It is comparable to the GS450h pricing. In the end, the market will decide.
...and the market for the GS450h?......IIRC it's a very tiny niche market vehicle
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But think how much gas you will save!!
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^^ Sedan versus SUV price.......and what's competition is available in each classes price range....that's where it all goes wrong for this car.
in the end both are overpriced....
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Infiniti has officially announced the pricing on the 2012 Infiniti M 35h Hybrid, which will go on sale at Infiniti dealers nationwide on March 16. Prices for the 2012 Infiniti M 35h Hybrid will start at $53,700 and when compared to its closest rival in our eyes, the $58,050 2011 Lexus GS Hybrid, that’s not a bad deal at all.

“We’re excited to be able to bring in the new Infiniti M Hybrid – with its exceptional blend of power, efficiency, style, luxury and technology – at an M.S.R.P. of under $54,000,” said Infiniti Vice President Ben Poore. “Competitively priced, though with little real direct competition, we expect the M Hybrid to continue the strong sales momentum the new Infiniti M Sedan has been experiencing since its launch in the 2011 model year.”

Refresher: The Infiniti M35 Hybrid will be powered by a single electric-motor/twin-clutch arrangement, mated to a naturally aspirated 3.5L V6. The 1st-clutch is installed between the V6 engine and the electric motor, which Infiniti says allows for a more responsive drive. Infiniti said that the M35 Hybrid, which will carry a lithium-ion battery pack, has the ability to run solely on electric-power under certain driving conditions. Official fuel-economy rating comes in at 27/32 mpg (city/highway).
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That base price is meanigless - the sticker on most cars on the lot will include a bunch of options and will probably be around 60K.
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M35h 0-60 in 5.1

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^ what's the time for a regular M37?
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From Car and Driver:

M37
0-60: 5.5
1/4mile: 14@101mph
Real world mpg: 20mpg

M56
0-60: 4.7
1/4mile: 13.4@107mph
Real world mpg: 23mpg

The hybrid is right in the middle.
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This March, Infiniti will launch its 32-mpg M35h into the luxury hybrid-sedan segment, a niche only slightly larger than the market for cars with square wheels. Right now, the sales leader is the $58,925 Lexus GS450h, which was outsold last year by Rolls-Royce.

With a base price of $54,575, the Infiniti M35h is at least slightly cheaper than the Roller and the Lexus. The 360-hp M35h also is a technical curiosity and, in these days of rapidly rising fuel prices, possibly a portent of the future. Its partly electrified powertrain is sure to appear in other rear-drive cars based on Nissan’s FM platform. All Infinitis, except for the monstrous QX56, are potential candidates.

Hybrid How?

The M35h’s headline technology, the Infiniti Direct Response Hybrid system, is mainly found in its JATCO-supplied 7-speed automatic. Aside from not having a torque converter—there is an electric motor in its place—this is the same basic transmission as is used in the conventionally powered M models. It has 2 clutch sets: a dry 1 between the engine and electric motor and a wet pack aft of the transmission.


During driving, the clutches open and close as necessary to allow the electric motor to power the car independently of the gas engine, start and stop the engine at speed, assist the engine during acceleration, provide regenerative braking during deceleration, and, in the case of the rear clutch pack, smooth the lumpy transition between pure-EV mode and gasoline-hybrid mode.

Like the engines powering most other hybrids, the 302-hp, 3.5-liter V-6 in the M uses Atkinson-cycle valve timing. This strategy increases efficiency at the expense of power by leaving the intake valves open longer, which effectively shortens the compression stroke relative to the power stroke. The enhanced power stroke means the fuel is used more completely and less of it is required to achieve a given power demand.

As with Nissan’s electric Leaf, the M35h’s lithium-ion battery pack uses the company’s proprietary laminated-cell configuration, which means the cells are rectangular sheets instead of cylinders. This is better for keeping pack temperatures—and internal resistance—down. At 1.4 kWh, the M35h’s pack is considerably smaller than the Leaf’s (24 kWh), and Infiniti says the M35h can go 1.2 miles on electric power alone.

We turned a few miles in an M35h around the suburbs of Los Angeles and found that the essential M-ness survives the pile-on of about 270 pounds attributed to the 67-hp electric motor and its 346-volt battery pack. That means the M’s firm ride and swift steering remain as crisp as fresh iceberg lettuce, although the body does clop down a little heavier over pavement heaves and squirm around slightly more in corners as the extra pounds do their Newtonian-motion dance.

A New Interpretation of “Drag” Racing

Having been told that the rear-drive-only M35h will accelerate to 62 mph purely under electric power, we immediately tried it out. The conclusion: Infiniti may not be lying, but you need the feathery touch of an angel on the gas, a surface as smooth and flat as glass, and the patience of a monk. We only made it to about 30 mph before the engine switched on, and that was on a quiet back street where we could safely accelerate at the rate of a Segway pulling a horse trailer. Postal workers strode past us.


Infiniti claims that, under normal conditions—what is normal, anyway?—the car is able to drive in electric-only mode for as much as 50% of the time. Although the M35h seemed to spend much more time burning gas than electrons, we were flabbergasted by the stats that the computer gave us on the completion of our short drive. In 33.7 miles of mostly city stop-and-go driving, the M ran in electric mode for 14.2 of them. That is indeed pretty close to 50%.

Somehow, though, our fuel-economy average was only 23.2 mpg. The EPA estimates consumption of 27 mpg city and 32 highway against the M37’s 18/26. Of course, our mileage would have been better were we not trying to get a sense of whether Infiniti’s claim that the M35h will hit 60 mph in under 6 seconds is remotely valid. It certainly feels that quick, bustling to higher speeds with the enthusiasm of the M37—which accelerates to 60 in 5.5 seconds—although we won’t know for certain until we hang test gear onto it.

Unassuming Hybrid—for Better or for Worse


More important, the M35h’s operation is fairly seamless, which is surprising, considering how thoroughly electrified the car is. The steering is itself a hybrid, utilizing electric and hydraulic systems. Similarly, the brakes are actuated by an electric motor generating hydraulic pressure. Although the brakes can rip your dentures loose if you’re not judicious with the pedal, the system feels more or less natural—at least by Infiniti standards. Just the faintest of shudders can be felt when the transmission transitions from pure-EV to gasoline mode, and the brakes still feel linear and direct despite the system’s by-wire complexity and added effect of the regenerative braking.

Despite all the whiz-bangery going on under the skin, the M35h looks identical to the M37, except for its rump badge. Even the wheels are the same. It’s a risky maneuver by Infiniti, considering that many hybrid customers like to advertise their greenness, but the company says buyers in this class like to be more subtle. Maybe. Let’s face it: At its price, the M35h isn’t going to sell like hotcakes. A few well-heeled buyers interested in technology and talking about being green will take home this wonder widget of advanced technology, and their neighbors will likely never notice. Maybe they should have held out for an electric Rolls-Royce.

Specifications

VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan

BASE PRICE: $54,575

ENGINE TYPE: DOHC 24-valve Atkinson-cycle V-6, 302 hp, 258 lb-ft; AC permanent magnet synchronous electric motor, 67 hp, 199 lb-ft; combined power rating, 360 hp

TRANSMISSION: 7-speed automatic with manumatic shifting

DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 114.2 in Length: 194.7 in
Width: 72.6 in Height: 59.1 in
Curb weight: 4150 lb

PERFORMANCE (C/D EST):
Zero to 60 mph: 5.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec
Top speed (governor limited): 157 mph

FUEL ECONOMY (MFR’S EST):
EPA city/highway driving: 27/32 mpg
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Well..23mpg in the real world is pretty disappointing considering C&D has gotten 20+mpg in the ZDX and TL.....
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Originally Posted by iforyou
From Car and Driver:

M37
0-60: 5.5
1/4mile: 14@101mph
Real world mpg: 20mpg

M56
0-60: 4.7
1/4mile: 13.4@107mph
Real world mpg: 23mpg

The hybrid is right in the middle.
That 23MPG on the M56 doesn't seem right.
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C/D has actually done a few tests on the M56 and M56x.

In a full road test, they got 23mpg.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/..._m56-road_test

At the beginning of the long term road test, they averaged 20mpg.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad_test_update

For the M56x, they averaged 18mpg in a short-take road test.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test

I believe that for the full road test, it's more than just doing a bunch of performance tests. It should include more highway driving and city driving than a short-take road test.

With that said, it seems to me that getting 20mpg in the M56 shouldn't be too much of a problem.

For comparison, C/D averaged 20-21mpg in the M37 (they did two tests).

As I've always said, engine size and power do not seem to matter way too much in terms of mpg. There are many other factors that would affect it. I think weight is an more significant factor than engine size. Given the same weight, with a smaller, less powerful engine, the engine will need to work (rev) harder to get the car moving, hence, consuming more fuel. Using the Infiniti M as an example, for regular driving, I'd imagine the M37 should shift up at around 2500rpm, while the M56 would shift up at around 2000rpm.

As for the M hybrid.....I really don't know what's wrong with its mpg..lol..
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...I still say, Honda should have evolved the AV6h powertrain for use in the [insert any V6 Acura model here]. There could have had Acura RLh in this segment and I would have loved to have a hybrid version of my MDX.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Well..23mpg in the real world is pretty disappointing considering C&D has gotten 20+mpg in the ZDX and TL.....
C&D are quite agressive in normal driving. . Hybrid lose all there advantage by agressive driving.
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You are right, the M in that case literally lost all of its hybrid advantage.......lol.
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Sorry guys, I've been reading C&D for 7 years and if there's one thing I know it's that the only valid MPG comparison is one between two cars driven in the same comparison test. Otherwise it's a completely crapshoot.

I'll use the A4 as an example.

Quick test, 22 mpg:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test

Long term test, 27 mpg:
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...dfbf252d7a.pdf


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