Have you guys seen this car coming out. Check out the link .New Fuga

This looks absolutely gorgeous and should finally give infiniti some legs to work against the E class and 5 series, and probably steal some sales from the RL as well. It's called the Fuga right now but we will know it as the M35 and M45. They'll have two differnt engines too give a bigger price range. It'll probaly start out in the high 30's and will go to high 40's. Nicely done infiniti... Personally I'm a big infiniti fan so I may be a little biased. But overall its probably going to be a huge hit not only in credibility for infiniti but also in the $$$ arena. So, What do you guys think?

 

I think it looks closer to the specific term, "ass" than "not-ass".

 

fuga... sounds like fugly.

 

Yuck. A little pimp goes a long way. But Nissan does not know this.
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umm....I think they got the name right! F'ing Ugly Gangly Auto

 

There's gotta be a reason Honda has basically decided to sit on there hands and allow Nissan to grab a huge portion of the market and become the second biggest auto manufactuer in Japan (in terms of volume) ahead of Honda.

Nissan was on the brink of death. Then the start churning out RWD platforms and powerful V6's along with the V8's Honda will never make and its almost like Honda's been caught standing still.

The only explanation I have for Honda lack of a response is I think they have a much much different philosophy when it comes to their product then anyone else does. They have at some point decided to not build a V8 and I guess concentrate on Hy-brid technology. The only problem I see with that now is Toyota's beating them to the punch there too.

Or maybe Honda just does'nt have the resources to match Nissan and Toyota product for product? How else can one explain the long lifecylcle's of the NSX. RL and now it seems the S2000 will probly be around for 7 or 8 years too. And lets not forget the 8 year life cycle that the Integra enjoyed.

 

I don't know, do you guys really think it's ugly? I'm not a huge fan of Honda but I'm able to recognize when they make nice looking cars. Autospies wrote about it today also and said it's a hit... Whats wrong with it? What don't you guys like? I think it's got some incredible styling especially in the interior. Granted not everything will make it to production. And yea domn, I agree that Honda has just let Nissan get back in the game big time. I don't really think they don't have the resources, I'm convinced they just do everything on their own time and terms. Which isn't bad don't get me wrong, but the automotive world doesn't revolve around Honda - it revolves around lots of companies. And please don't flame me, I'm just trying to get some good car talk going on here.

 

I love the way this thing looks. Infiniti is on a roll for real. I have no doubts that if this car does make it to production looking 90% like the concept, that it will make an impact in the luxury sedan market.

 

Nissan/Infiniti is definitely moving up....especially infiniti... but i think nissan was the second largest automaker in japan for a long time b4 honda overtook them for a while?? i know honda has very limited resources for R&D when compared to toyota..but they should still focus on something? it seems they haven't been doing any R&D at anything... hybrid technology so far its all talk while toyota is implementing them in mainstream cars. i hope honda/acura won't fall behind everybody else and become the nissan of old..

 

the fuga kind of looks like the new maxima...wouldnt be suprised if it's the same platform

 

No Honda overtook Nissan as Japans 2nd largest manf for a few years until Nissan took that title back late last year. But there not larger in terms of $$$ but only cars produced. Honda has the feet wet in everything from Cars to generators + motorcyles.

 

Gilbo:

Nissan is, in fact, Japan's oldest auto maker, and has held the #2 spot well into the recent past when they fell by the wayside (and Honda took over).

Re: the Fuga. I really like what Nissan has done with the design of their vehicles lately (with the exception of the Pathfinder Armada and QX56 - both look like 2 or 3 trucks welded together). However, Nissan is dead last in my book on interior quality (U.S. brands excluded), and their chassis dynamics is just bollocks. Sure, the G35 will corner well, but its extremely stiff ride is telling of a lack of chassis rigidity. All they did was stiffen the dampers to mask that.

Based on my conversations with some higher ups at BMW germany, their analysis of the G35 yielded the same results... They even went as far as to criticize the engine... But hey, if anybody can criticize a 6, it's BMW.

 

No flame, I just don't care for it - looks too much like the new Maxima (Ugh) on steroids with some extra chrome on it. Rear and front are just OK, side profile is the worst for me. I wouldn't waste $40+G's on it, based on looks alone.
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Nissan, with it's Renault connection, seems to be heavily influenced by the european parents. The new interiors of Nissans around the globe look very much like something you would find in the Renault line of cars. Good or bad? I don't know, personally, it's a mixed bag for me. Nissans are decent cars for decent money, but none of their vehicles are great values in terms of what you are getting.

Junkster, who hopes Honda stands alone unlike other Japanese car makers.

 

Junkster, I love the way you end all of your posts with first reffering to yourself in the third person and then related your comment to what you wrote above.

 

that thing is not too bad. if a g35 4 door looked like that i would consider it

 

I think it's a fairly safe assumption to say that this will be the next gen Infiniti I35.

It's not a bad looking car, IMO.

 

It is not the new I 35. That car is being discontinued. This is the next M35/m45. This is a rear wheel drive platform that the G,Z, and FX are currently using.

 

Did'nt the M45 just come out no more than 2 years ago? I know its a dud but this is still a fairly quick replacement.

I guess it was around longer in Japan?

 

I like it. I think it's hot and I HATE the looks of the Maxima! I see the similarities that some are seeing to the Maxima, but this is way more refined looking. Should be a big big hit IMO.

 

Yea, the M45 was out for awhile in japan before it came here. It obviously was a big dissapointment in the looks department. They hardly sell any of those.

 

Uhhh... Thanks? I sense some sarcasm there, but I figure I'm a pretty good target by setting myself up for it. Besides, if you can't take jokes about yourself, how would you get through life, right?

Junkster, who saw someone do this 3rd person thing somewhere and just decided it was cool.

 

Yes, the M45, aka Nissan Gloria (I think) was available in Japan before Nissan decided to bring it to the US. Basically it was a last minute attempt to cushion the disappointing sales of the redesigned Q45.

 

Probably from the ITR forum in H-T.com because IIRC, they're the ones who started it. Are you also on H-T.com?

 

seems like just a concept right now, a few years before production?

 

How 'bout that tread pattern...

 

Honda is a much smaller manufacturer than the other Jap companies. In fact, it's smaller than most major car co's. So, they can't do the same things as Toyota or Nissan/Renault.

 

This car is HOT!!!!! Im not really an Infiniti fan but their wining me over with all these new models they are coming out with. I am seriously thinking about turning in my TSX for a G35 coupe.Doesnt that sound like a good idea???I think it does.

 

Yea, it still has awhile before it gets here. It's slated for introduction to dealers in January of 2005. Kind of far away but well worth the wait if you ask me.

 

just letting everyone know that Daihatsu, if you guys have even heard of it at all is the oldest japanese auto manufacturer......

 

i think it looks awesome.

 

Hey swap, I like to read up on these little tidbits, but from most of the stuff I found on the internet, if you go by actual production dates, it appears as if Nissan (Datsun) is the oldest Japanese auto maker, making its first car in 1914. Daihatsu made its cars starting in the 1930's. Are sure it's Daihatsu?

 

well this is what i found.....In March 1907, professors Yoshinki and Turumi from Osaka University established Hatsudoki Seizo Co. Ltd, an internal combustion engine manufacturing company that began its operational life building industrial engines for the Japanese domestic market. Initially the engines were fuelled by natural gas and used in their first car the HT10 as well as a variety of marine, mining and power generating industries.

 

well so that i dont make an ass out of myself ill just say anyone could be right???

 

hey phile even though this is heading off topic i was wondering do you know when the first car was made like the 1st car in the world??
everywhere i look i cant find crap so yeh wondering if you knew....
not talking about nissan or daihatsu here just wondering when the first ever car was made...??/
any clues?

 

Everyone seems to give credit to Mercedes for being the first car, I really don't know.

 

It depends on how you measure size. By market capitalization, i.e., share price x number of shares, Honda is worth $38 billion whereas GM is worth $24 billion and Ford $23 billion. Among car manufacturers, only Toyota, at $107 billion, is worth more.

 

It looks ugly in pictures, specially the rear, but I bet this car will be hot in real life!

Also The Interior is GORGEOUS!!!

This thing will surely be a good competitor for the NEW RL coming out

 

the accepted practice to measure car compaines is by sales or # of cars they sell i think...i've never read or heard of measuring them by market cap.