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TOKYO: Car makers Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Mitsubishi Motors will recall more than 100,000 vehicles in Japan due to defective air bags and seat belts, the transport ministry said Wednesday.

The recalls trace back to a single supplier, Tokyo-based parts maker Takata, local media reported. The company also supplies Audi, Daimler, Chrysler, Ford and General Motors.

Toyota Motor will recall 50,738 vehicles, Honda 24,522, and Nissan 35,964 built in 2000-2001 due to problems with the airbag inflator in the passenger seat that causes shards to fly out when the airbag opens, the ministry said.

The recalls affect vehicles built in 2000-2001 including Toyota's popular Corolla, Honda's Fit and Nissan's Cube.

Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi Motor also issued separate recalls due to faulty seat belts that fail to buckle up, the government said.

The recall affects cars built this year including 101 Toyotas, 4,020 Nissans and 1,600 Mitsubishi Motors, it added.

Japanese carmakers have been hit by a string of safety recalls this year, the most glaring being Toyota, which was forced to pull nearly 10 million vehicles worldwide and blamed for more than 80 deaths in the United States.
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So it sounds like this doesn't affect the US? At least not Honda - there was no Fit in 01 here.
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Honda: Recall Issued for Odyssey and RL

Washington— Honda Motor Co. said it is recalling 470,000 vehicles in the United States over possible brake fluid leaks — one day after Toyota Motor Corp. issued a recall for the same problem.

The recall covers some 2005-07 Acura RL and 2005-07 Honda Odyssey vehicles.


Toyota recalled 1.53 million vehicles globally for the problem, including 740,000 in the United States. Both Honda and Toyota used the same supplier for the problematic part -— Advics Co. Ltd. in Japan.

The leak concerns arise when customers don't use the original type of brake fluid. That can allow the seal on the master cylinder to fail.
Honda said it doesn't know how many of the vehicles may fail or have failed. It said it was alerted to Toyota's investigation of the issue on Sept. 16.
Honda will replace the brake master cylinder seal in all of the vehicles - and if leaking occurred, it also will replace the brake booster.

But Honda — like Toyota — said it doesn't believe the glitch poses a safety issue. Toyota said that even if the fluid leaks, drivers would have enough power to stop the vehicles.

Honda spokeswoman Christina Ra noted that if the fluid leaked, it "will result in the brake fluid light illuminating before there is any loss of brake system performance. Although one brake circuit could gradually lose performance due to this cause, there would be no effect on the other brake circuit."
She said if drivers see a warning light go on, "they should take their vehicle to a dealer for repair immediately."

Honda hasn't yet set the schedule for notifying dealers and customers of the problem.

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Title edited...and you were missing a zero.


Not 47,000.
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I was trying to be kind to Honda quality


...more quality woes for the Oddy....
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Doesn't the owners manual specify what type of fluid to put in the system?
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Honda hasn't yet set the schedule for notifying dealers and customers of the problem.
My Odyssey can just about drive itself to the dealer now so no biggie for me.

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My Odyssey can just about drive itself to the dealer now so no biggie for me.
Does you manual specify OEM brake fluid?
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The dealer is my Oddy's second home.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S View Post
The dealer is my Oddy's second home.
Does you manual specify OEM brake fluid?
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My guess is that the top of the brake fluid reservoir cap says "Use DOT 4....." , and not use Genuine Honda Brake Fluid Only.

I don't think this is a fluid issue, but rather a poorly designed seal/master cylinder design by Honda parts supplier.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S View Post
My guess is that the top of the brake fluid reservoir cap says "Use DOT 4....." , and not use Genuine Honda Brake Fluid Only.
I don't have an Odyssey and I'm out of work for a week so I don't have access to an RL manual. I'm just trying to find what is says cause I don't want to guess.
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Should just say Dot 4
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1 View Post
Should just say Dot 4
http://owners.acura.com/Maintenance/...queal&id=flush

Flushing the Brake Fluid

Brake fluid is hygroscopic, which means that it absorbs moisture. And when that moisture finds its way into your braking system, it can corrode metal and seals.

Flushing the system with new fluid removes the condensation before extensive damage can occur.

When flushing the system, always use Honda Heavy Duty Brake Fluid DOT 3. If this specific fluid is not available, you should use only DOT 3 or DOT 4 fluid from a sealed container, but only as a temporary replacement. The use of any non-Honda brake fluid can cause corrosion and may decrease the life of the system.
I get that brakes are a safety concern and I think it's good that they're taking action "just in case" but where does personal responsibility come into play? If you are told "always use" and you don't, should the manufacturer still be responsible?
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Not sure what it says. My Ody's has had two brake fluid flushes in 65K KM (40K miles). Once at I think 40K. I asked the dealer to do it since it was only $88. And the second time when it went in for the air in the brake line recall. That was only about 5K ago.

So I'm noy taking any of the blame on this one.
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I wonder why and how its only RL and the van. The one thing that attracted me to honda years ago was the fact ALL the part and pieces are the same. The "cover" was the only difference. So in my brain here, all the brake part on all the vehicles are the same. Not that i want a total recall but i would like to know as i drive with my kids the brakes are top-notch. HMC should care about their stellar rep than a few dollars.
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^^ My guess is that the RL and the Oddy have the same faulty brake master cylinder seals.

Clearly it's not the fluid....otherwise honda would have to recall ALL Honda & Acura vehicles.

It's a bad part, not the fluid.
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Clearly it's not the fluid....otherwise honda would have to recall ALL Honda & Acura vehicles.

It's a bad part, not the fluid.
LOL at your logic, the only thing that is 'clear' is that the Odyssey (4500 lbs) and RL (4000 lbs) must use a different master cylinder than a Civic. This is why they haven't recalled ALL Honda and Acura cars.

Beyond that, it's not 'clear' how much the usage of OEM fluid played (or didn't play) a part. Most likely, they identified the problem, but don't want to get into arguments in the service bay with customers who may have used an off-brand fluid. Easier to just change them all.
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Not sure what it says. My Ody's has had two brake fluid flushes in 65K KM (40K miles). Once at I think 40K. I asked the dealer to do it since it was only $88. And the second time when it went in for the air in the brake line recall. That was only about 5K ago.

So I'm noy taking any of the blame on this one.
More information on it from our network. It seems like a very specific sequence of event may cause the failure.
Statement by American Honda Motor Co., Inc.

Honda made this decision to prevent the unlikely failure of a seal in the brake master cylinder. It is possible for the seal to fail if the Honda Genuine DOT 3 brake fluid installed at the factory is replaced with certain aftermarket brake fluids with reduced lubrication properties, followed by a manual brake bleed with full and rapid stroke of the brake pedal. This could cause the seal to become twisted within its retention groove. The twisted seal could then leak a small amount of brake fluid when the vehicle is used...
Since a dealer wouldn't put in the wrong fluid AND since dealers (far as I know) use air pressure to bleed the system, I'd say you're safe.
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So it looks like my Ody's getting a 3rd brake bleed. Shouldn't have paid for that first one.
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LOL at your logic, the only thing that is 'clear' is that the Odyssey (4500 lbs) and RL (4000 lbs) must use a different master cylinder than a Civic. This is why they haven't recalled ALL Honda and Acura cars.

Beyond that, it's not 'clear' how much the usage of OEM fluid played (or didn't play) a part. Most likely, they identified the problem, but don't want to get into arguments in the service bay with customers who may have used an off-brand fluid. Easier to just change them all.
So clearly it's not a fluid issue but a part issue.

Either way it's back to the shop once again for the Oddy.
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and there's nothing wrong with the part if you use the correct fluid as stated in the manual.
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^^ Either way, the recall notice will go out, & my Oddy goes back to the dealer for new parts. Hurray!
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and there's nothing wrong with the part if you use the correct fluid as stated in the manual.

I don't know how this works but what happens if you use the incorrect tranny fluid or engine oil? The dealer will probably tell you you're an idiot and not honor the warranty, justifiably so.

Why not do the same with this?
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I don't know how this works but what happens if you use the incorrect tranny fluid or engine oil? The dealer will probably tell you you're an idiot and not honor the warranty, justifiably so.

Why not do the same with this?
Because either

A: it's the part not the fluid

or

B: under the hood it says use DOT 4, and not genuine honda fluid only.

(I have not looked under the hood to see what the cap says)
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If only Honda had put wider tires on the Ody, it wouldn't have this problem. This is due to because it's CD would have been such that the brakes would not have needed to exert as much pressure because the driver could instead focus on the widescreen monitor situated at the top of the dash away from the buttons that would otherwise distract them.
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If only Honda had put wider tires on the Ody, it wouldn't have this problem. This is due to because it's CD would have been such that the brakes would not have needed to exert as much pressure because the driver could instead focus on the widescreen monitor situated at the top of the dash away from the buttons that would otherwise distract them.
You lost me at the bold.
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You lost me at the bold.
Read the Hyundai Equus thread. Start at about post #291.
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I suspected that had something to do with SSFTSX. I came in here to get away from him

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Sly! Don't bring that in here!!!
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LOL at your logic, the only thing that is 'clear' is that the Odyssey (4500 lbs) and RL (4000 lbs) must use a different master cylinder than a Civic. This is why they haven't recalled ALL Honda and Acura cars.

Beyond that, it's not 'clear' how much the usage of OEM fluid played (or didn't play) a part. Most likely, they identified the problem, but don't want to get into arguments in the service bay with customers who may have used an off-brand fluid. Easier to just change them all.
There is nothing special about honda fluid where you couldnt use different brands. You can use any dot 3 or 4 (depending on what the car calls for) fluid in hondas. I have never run honda brake fluid in any honda product i have owned. It always gets flushed out for better fluid.

My guess is its just a faulty seal or bad batches of fluid that honda had from the factory.
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You guys are all right and I'm wrong to suggest that the customer have some responsibility if properly notified. The bottom line is that they're fixing it regardless of whose responsibility it is. Only on this twisted site can a company 'doing the right thing' be turned into a negative.
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You guys are all right and I'm wrong to suggest that the customer have some responsibility if properly notified. The bottom line is that they're fixing it regardless of whose responsibility it is. Only on this twisted site can a company 'doing the right thing' be turned into a negative.
With all due respect the only twisting being done in this thread was by you, trying to lay blame on the customer. If it was a customer problem I doubt they'd have issued the recall.

I don't see anyone turning this recall into a negative other than those of us tired of of bringing our Odyssey back to the dealer yet again for a faulty part. I'd rather spend my free time at home with my family rather than at a Honda dealership, sorry.

Having said that, I don't see this an bad engineering on Honda's part. Toyota has the problem as well, there's only so much they can control. But that doesn't mean I should just be thankful they were gracious enough to fix their problem . I now have to take more time out of my personal schedule to get the Ody repaired, again.

This is now recall/TSB #7, although I may be short 1 or 2 so pardon my lack of a positive attitude towards this news.

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There is nothing special about honda fluid where you couldnt use different brands. You can use any dot 3 or 4 (depending on what the car calls for) fluid in hondas. I have never run honda brake fluid in any honda product i have owned. It always gets flushed out for better fluid.

My guess is its just a faulty seal or bad batches of fluid that honda had from the factory.
Agreed. People have been using aftermarket fluids for MANY years and we have yet to hear of cars failing just because of that reason. As long as you run the same spec fluid, it should run the same (if not better if you're using a higher quality fluid).
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1 View Post
There is nothing special about honda fluid where you couldnt use different brands. You can use any dot 3 or 4 (depending on what the car calls for) fluid in hondas. I have never run honda brake fluid in any honda product i have owned. It always gets flushed out for better fluid.

My guess is its just a faulty seal or bad batches of fluid that honda had from the factory.
And how you know Honda brake fluid is nothing special? Have you run lab tests on it, know it's absorption rate, boiling points...

I run aftermarket synthetic DOT4 fluid in my TL but I also read the manual and saw the Honda OEM brake fluid only with the exception of emergency use of aftermarket DOT 3 or DOT 4. I've had not problems but also realized I took a small risk in using aftermarket. I'm also switching to the GM fluid for the MT.

Sometimes auto manufacturers have good reasons for making their own fluids besides added profits.
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With all due respect the only twisting being done in this thread was by you, trying to lay blame on the customer. If it was a customer problem I doubt they'd have issued the recall.

I don't see anyone turning this recall into a negative other than those of us tired of of bringing our Odyssey back to the dealer yet again for a faulty part. I'd rather spend my free time at home with my family rather than at a Honda dealership, sorry.

Having said that, I don't see this an bad engineering on Honda's part. Toyota has the problem as well, there's only so much they can control. But that doesn't mean I should just be thankful they were gracious enough to fix their problem . I now have to take more time out of my personal schedule to get the Ody repaired, again.

This is now recall/TSB #7, although I may be short 1 or 2 so pardon my lack of a positive attitude towards this news.
If it was a customer's fault, Honda should tell the customer to go pound sand! Trouble is, that Honda more than likely knows it's not a customer problem but a part issue. The PR cover is to blame the aftermarket fluid.

Honda has to do what it has to do to make itself look good. Every car maker has to do this...this is nothing new.

....but as a customer who has taken his Oddy in way too many times I gotta start to read between the lines.....and this one is pretty clear that it's a part issue, not a customer fluid issue.

I'll give props where they are due: Thank you Honda, for fixing my Oddy once again on your dime.
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Should just say Dot 4
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Not sure what it says. My Ody's has had two brake fluid flushes in 65K KM (40K miles). Once at I think 40K. I asked the dealer to do it since it was only $88. And the second time when it went in for the air in the brake line recall. That was only about 5K ago.
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^^ My guess is that the RL and the Oddy have the same faulty brake master cylinder seals.
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My guess is that the top of the brake fluid reservoir cap says "Use DOT 4....." , and not use Genuine Honda Brake Fluid Only.
So nobody is really interested in the FACTS? You're all jumping to conclusions with guesses and assumptions. The facts are "certain aftermarket fluids" combined with a "manual brake bleed" may cause the problem.

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I don't know how this works but what happens if you use the incorrect tranny fluid or engine oil? The dealer will probably tell you you're an idiot and not honor the warranty, justifiably so.

Why not do the same with this?
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If it was a customer's fault, Honda should tell the customer to go pound sand!
No, they wouldn't. If you put the wrong oil or transmission fluid in the car and it caused a huge failure, they would still have to prove it to deny warranty. Since that is a huge nightmare, they would in most cases repair your car.

Even in the worse cases of manual transmission over-revs, where it's obviously the customers fault, I've seen them step up and cover the parts (with a slap on the wrist).
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No, they wouldn't. If you put the wrong oil or transmission fluid in the car and it caused a huge failure, they would still have to prove it to deny warranty. Since that is a huge nightmare, they would in most cases repair your car.

Even in the worse cases of manual transmission over-revs, where it's obviously the customers fault, I've seen them step up and cover the parts (with a slap on the wrist).
So nobody is really interested in the FACTS? You're all jumping to conclusions with guesses and assumptions. The facts are "certain aftermarket fluids" combined with a "manual brake bleed" may cause the problem.
Fair enough. I guess they figured they better be safe than sorry and change out the part for one that's more idiot proof. But the fact that they are changing the part with one that isn't so idiot proof tells me the new part is the one they should have used from day 1. Correct?

Having said that, how could they have known? Mistakes are made, things happen, oh well. But the fact remains that I'm going to the dealer yet again. Can't help but be annoyed.
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Its definitely a part problem. I have changed brake fluid twice at the dealer after complaining of very soft brakes.Acura is covering their A**.
Faulty master cylinder. Why the delay of sending the letters out.
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Japanese automaker Honda on Thursday said it was recalling nearly 700,000 vehicles worldwide due to defective parts that could stall the engine and cause problems restarting in certain models.

The move comes after the car giant was forced to call back about 1.35 million vehicles in December and is the latest in a series of recalls to hit Japan's auto industry.

Honda said Thursday that defective spring parts had been found in its Freed compact minivan, Fit compact car and City sedan that could deteriorate over time, resulting in abnormal sounds and in the worst case lead to stalling.

Honda spokeswoman Natsuno Asanuma said the firm was recalling 693,497 vehicles globally, including 170,000 of the Freed and Fit models in Japan.

The latest action will affect over 220,000 units in Asia, mainly the Southeast Asian ASEAN area, and about 156,000 in China, she said. Around 97,000 units will be recalled in the United States.

No accidents associated with the defect have been reported, she added.

However, there have been 72 complaints in Japan, the transport ministry said.

2 months ago Honda pulled 1.35 million Fit cars, including 621,000 overseas, to repair a headlight defect.

Japan's car giants have seen millions of recalls in the past year, but none have been more affected than Toyota, the world's biggest auto maker.

Toyota became mired in crisis when it recalled nearly 9 million vehicles between late 2009 and February last year due to brake and accelerator defects linked to deadly accidents that tarnished its image of reliability.

As criticism mounted of its slow response and bureaucratic inflexibility, Toyota tightened its recall policy and has pulled around 16 million units since late 2009 over a range of issues.

It scored a victory earlier this month after its electronic throttle systems were cleared of blame for defects linked to dozens of deaths in the US, but it still faces a long road towards restoring its reputation, say analysts.

Honda has now recalled more than 4 million vehicles since February 2010 over a range of different issues, while Nissan has pulled around 3.5 million in the same period.

Nissan Motor late last year said it was recalling more than 2.1 million cars globally due to a faulty engine control system, in 1 of its biggest ever single recalls, and more than half a million over a steering column fault.

Japan's big 3 automakers have all nevertheless raised their forecasts for annual profits as an improving global economy helps bolster demand, particularly in emerging markets.

Honda's net profit for the 3 months ended December fell nearly 40% year-on-year due to the impact of the strong yen and sliding Japanese demand, but in January it lifted its full-year profit forecast.

Its performance overseas in emerging markets and the United States helped Honda lift its full year profit forecast to 530 billion yen ($6.33 billion), up 97.5% year-on-year, compared with a 500 billion yen forecast in October.

Honda shares closed up 1.09% in Tokyo ahead of the recall announcement.
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