2022 Civic interior >> Mazda 3 interior
Mazda, the 90's called they want their analog gauges back
11G Civic interior looks really nice, especially the Touring digital instrument cluster, quite a large evolution leap from current Honda's
I think this exactly what Honda INTENDED and honestly...I think it's great. For a pure econo car...it doesn't have to look aggressive at all....(but would be interesting to see how they take the next gen CTR...)
This car has to cater to the overwhelming majority of public who doesn't care about 0-60 or handling or race-car like styling...and just want a reliable, economical and non-offensive looking transportation device....
Honda has three vehicles (CR-V 3, Accord 10, Civic 7) in the top ten most sold vehicles in the US so my guess is Honda is aiming to increase the Civic to be back at Corolla or higher on the list
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Well, guess we'll see how it pans out for Honda. Maybe they are differentiating themselves away from the crowd and trying to see if that actually could attract more buyers??? Only time will tell...I personally like it
I also like it, the new interior is pretty far departure for Honda. Especially the new IT system for the instrument and infotainment displays.
2022 Civic interior >> Mazda 3 interior
Mazda, the 90's called they want their analog gauges back
11G Civic interior looks really nice, especially the Touring digital instrument cluster, quite a large evolution leap from current Honda's
Mazda 3's gauge is half digital.. IMO, it is a perfect compromise.
Well it is a huge improvement, i dont know about "evolution leap"
IMO, it is a perfect compromise for cost to include cheap stepper motor analog gauges like a Sentra.
Those are pics not video, at 8:10 AoA gets into the 10" display on the Civic and it's various modes and the display mode transition which is very smooth
Also agree, IMO the Civic is on a higher level interior than the Mazda 3
IMO, it is a perfect compromise for cost to include cheap stepper motor analog gauges like a Sentra.
Those are pics not video, at 8:10 AoA gets into the 10" display on the Civic and it's various modes and the display mode transition which is very smooth
Also agree, IMO the Civic is on a higher level interior than the Mazda 3
If that is what you think, then that is all it matters.
Also only the Touring gets the digital display and the 10" screen
Mazda has the same thing across all trims.
As far as the display smoothness... starts at 8:10... not all time.
Quote: The 2022 Honda Civic hatchback is joining its sedan sibling in unveiled glory. And unsurprisingly, it mostly looks like the sedan, at least until you get to the rear. But besides the different rear-end treatment, the Civic hatch boasts a manual transmission, making it the enthusiast's choice, at least until the Si and Type R are launched.
On the outside, the hatchback is identical to the sedan right up to the rear. They even share the 1.4-inch longer wheelbase. But the hatchback is 4.9 inches shorter overall, and that all comes out of its tail. And speaking of that tail, it gets completely different lights, and they incorporate some of the wrap-around look of the dearly-departed Civic coupe. The rear bumper also features stylish integrated exhaust outlets and a faux diffuser design.
Unlike the previous generation, the new Civic hatchback gets two engine choices. On the LX and Sport, it gets the naturally aspirated 2.0-liter four-cylinder making 158 horsepower and 138 pound-feet of torque. Move up to the EX-L or the Sport Touring, and you get a turbocharged 1.5-liter four-cylinder making 180 horsepower and 177 pound-feet of torque. Both engines can be paired with a CVT, and the trims with Sport in the name can be fitted with a six-speed manual transmission. Sport and Sport Touring models with the CVT get paddle shifters and a toggle for switching between economy, normal and sport drive modes. Honda notes a variety of small tweaks to the engine and chassis, such as VTEC being used on the exhaust cam of the turbo engine, the chassis being 19% stiffer than before, and other tweaks to improve steering feel and shifter quality. It should also be quieter with additional sound deadening.
The interior is naturally shared with the sedan. The LX, Sport and EX-L get a 7-inch touchscreen infotainment system and a 7-inch instrument display with an analog speedometer. The Sport Touring upgrades to a 9-inch infotainment screen and a 10.2-inch all digital instrument panel.. It also picks up wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, wireless phone charging and the excellent 12-speaker Bose sound system we experienced in the sedan.
Production of the hatchback starts later this year at Honda's factory in Greensburg, Ind. Pricing hasn't yet been announced.
I actually like analog gauges. Then again I also like hearing an engine.
I have been living with a digital gauge for the past few years. To be honest, it was cool for the first few days when i first got it (the Speed #s gets bigger as the needle approaches it) then it gets old very quickly.
Can't believe i paid about $1500 extra back in the days for it...
I have been living with a digital gauge for the past few years. To be honest, it was cool for the first few days when i first got it (the Speed #s gets bigger as the needle approaches it) then it gets old very quickly.
Can't believe i paid about $1500 extra back in the days for it...
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Exactly. Digital gauges are intriguing initially, but once the novelty wears off...meh.
Motors for analog gauges actually cost more than full digital.
I do agree that the Civic is an evolutionary leap in interior design for Honda. However, I still think the Mazda has a much richer looking interior.
Friend's daughter has a current Mazda 3 and my daughter has a 10G Civic, they're about the same in interior for quality of material and fitment.
Stepper motors are far far less expensive (~$1-2 each, with a H-bridge controller typically in a MicroChip Pic or AVR 8-bit microcontroller $2-3) than TFT digital displays (~$50) which also require more expensive microprocessors, memory and display controllers as well as S/W. Reconfigurability and multiple display formats however make digital displays much more usable in functionality. Displaying information in different formats (map, bar graph, digital numerical, circle dial,....) make them invaluable.
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If that is what you think, then that is all it matters.
Also only the Touring gets the digital display and the 10" screen
Mazda has the same thing across all trims.
As far as the display smoothness... starts at 8:10... not all time.
, Meh it's not what I think it's reality in the cost of components for instrument clusters.
And the lesser Civic's get 7-inch instrument display with an analog speedometer. Maybe not as nice as the 10" display but more like the current Accord which is nicer IMO than the Mazda 3 four analog gauge with ~3" digital display
Quote: With all the hubbub of the new Civic hatch being unveiled, and more news surrounding Honda’s popular model, far be it from us to break the momentum by not bringing you these: spy shots of what appears to be the upcoming Civic Type R.
It’s the first time that our spies have spotted the Type R testing on public roads since last year, and these latest images reveal a few differences. Starting at the rear, the teardrop shape is still masked, but thanks to the official unveiling of the standard hatchback, we have a better idea of how it’ll look.
Compared to last year’s images of the Type R prototype, we can see a less-disguised rear wing. Although it still looks more like a handle for a pull-along case, it appears to be toned down from the one on the outgoing model. And, with less camouflage, we can observe the bolt-on design with support struts. While it may be a stretch to say this could hint at adjustable aero element, it’s an intriguing departure from the previous model’s cleaner, one-piece design. And Honda did equip the S660 with an active spoiler earlier this year, so it makes us wonder if the new Civic Type R might get one as well.
Moving down, we can see the rear lights in an array that will likely mimic the conventional hatchback’s. However, it’s the bumper and exhaust that catch our attention the most. The rear has a center cut-out that, visually, could fit three pipes as with the outgoing model, although this prototype sports only one.
However, overall, both the rear and front bumpers appear to be less aggressively styled, a common bugbear of most reviewers of the outgoing car, who weren’t as taken with the Type-R’s NFS Underground style body kit. However, there are still signs of vents on the front bumper, as well as a hood scoop for good measure.
What seems to be just as aggressive, too, is the track, with flared wheel arches and what appear to be vents exiting the front wheel arches. The wheels themselves are large, with the prototype shod in Michelin rubber, barely concealing a set of Brembo brakes.
Details surrounding the future Type R’s powertrain are scant. While some early reports suggested it will switch to hybrid power, the most recent information is that Honda intends to retain the outgoing 2.0 engine with some tweaks. Honda officials have reportedly said that it would likely be the last gas-only performance model to go on sale. The Type R is likely to remain a manual-only car, too, while all-wheel drive would seemingly be off the table for this gen.
You can get that just from any car with an engine... You miss the exhaust noise already?
Nah, but for a fun toy car I want something like the howl of a VooDoo V8 not the leaf blower sound of a 4 cylinder.
There is something to be said about silent fury though. The feel of the EV is even more pronounced because there's no sound, just a violent shove into your seat.
Nope... dont enjoy that feeling at all... and i know exactly what you talking about. It makes me puke.. Literally
I think Veloster N sounds pretty good...and it is cheaper than the almighty CTR. Apparently feels better too since it got the most fun to drive award.
or WRX... but it sounds like gulping water... so if that is your thing.
Not a fan of the WRX. They're just old and clunky to be honest. The Golf R was a FAR FAR FAR better car than the STi, I looked at both. Honestly if I was going to get another hot hatch (I probably won't) it would be either a new not fast and furious CTR or a used Focus RS. What I will likely end up with is a Mustang, M2, M3, or something along those lines. I'd love a Cayman but it doesn't have a back seat and that's a must have for me. I can't afford a 911.
Evora? Though not sure how usable that backseat is, also: Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious, though not sure if that still holds true for the newer Lotus cars.
Not a fan of the WRX. They're just old and clunky to be honest. The Golf R was a FAR FAR FAR better car than the STi, I looked at both. Honestly if I was going to get another hot hatch (I probably won't) it would be either a new not fast and furious CTR or a used Focus RS. What I will likely end up with is a Mustang, M2, M3, or something along those lines. I'd love a Cayman but it doesn't have a back seat and that's a must have for me. I can't afford a 911.
Well if you are willing to spend that much on a 4th car, then well yah there are plentyyyy of options. I was thinking as your 4th car, it would be more of a "reasonably" priced used car.
BTW: i was not talking about the STi.. but a regular WRX.... i was never a fan of it until i drove the current gen WRX... i like it more than the STi.
But if you can swing it, M2 Comp or none comp, hands down... if it is not because i need a 4 doors to carry my parents, i would totally buy the M2 Comp... It is literally the same price as my M340i
2022 Honda Civic Sedan vs. 2021 Toyota Corolla Comparison Test: Not Even Close
Together, they dominate the compact-car market, but one of these small sedans dominates the other.
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Jul 12, 2021Honda Civic Full OverviewHonda Civic versus Toyota Corolla is 1 of the most entrenched rivalries in the automotive marketplace. The 2 small cars are vitally important not only to their makers but also to millions of Americans who depend on them for straightforward, reliable transportation. An all-new redesign of either is rightly expected to upend the compact car segment, which is still strong despite the popularity of SUVs, and neither company wants to get its car wrong. Bringing them together for a comparison test ought to presage a knock-down, drag-out fight, but the 2022 Honda Civic Touring is so much better than the 2021 Toyota Corolla XSE it isn't even funny.
Now, this isn't how we're supposed to do things. We're supposed to write these things in a way that keeps you glued to your screen, balancing the successes and failures of each vehicle and keeping you in suspense until the big conclusion. Sometimes, though, that kind of presentation is disingenuous. This is one of those times. This isn't a close comparison. One car is clearly better than the other, and the only thing to do is tell it to you straight.
What Makes the Civic So Much Better?
Here's a line from the notes turned in by our judges in this comparison: "Other than some elevated interior noise, I am struggling to think of anything the Civic does wrong. It's an incredibly solid effort."
Truthfully, both cars could use some work in the interior noise department. The Civic, as has long been the case with Hondas, gets loud inside on bad pavement and when the engine is working hard. The Corolla, meanwhile, has an even more raucous engine and develops a lot of wind noise around the door mirrors at higher city speeds that only gets worse as you go faster. It is quieter over bad pavement than the Honda, though.
What About the Rest of the Interior?
Which interior you prefer depends a lot on who you're trying to make happy. If it's just the driver, the Corolla puts up a good fight. If it's everyone in the vehicle, Honda wins going away. The Toyota gets points here for its very comfortable front seats, but that's about the only outright win. The Civic's interior is more spacious, has vastly better ergonomics, and looks and feels premium.
"It's here, in competition with its primary rival, that you start to feel the Corolla's drawbacks," MotorTrend en Español editor Miguel Cortina said. "Although it's only 3 years old, it feels even older—especially when the Civic is brand new, not to mention the almost equally fresh Hyundai Elantra and Nissan Sentra." The most obvious differentiator is in how things feel and the impression they give. The Corolla's exterior door handles feel flimsy, and the door sounds hollow when you close it. The turn signal stalk feels and sounds like it's going to snap off in your hand when you use it. The materials are fine for a car at this price point, but Honda didn't settle for fine. Everything you touch, pull, push, or twist in the Civic feels like it was borrowed from a more expensive car.
Then there's the space. The Corolla is cozy at best. The front passenger's inboard knee is always resting against the center console, which is narrower than the Civic's but somehow still in the way. The rear seats of the 2 cars have roughly the same amount of space according to the tape measure, but the Corolla feels tighter, as you sit so high it feels like you have to duck to look out the side windows like you would on a plane. The Civic feels spacious and airy, with excellent sight lines and plenty of room to spread out, no matter which seat you occupy, despite being within an inch or 2 of the Corolla in every dimension inside and out.
Then there's the matter of how the interior is designed to serve those aboard. Honda pulls out another clean victory here with controls, cupholders, chargers, and everything else conveniently located and easy to manipulate. The wider center console allows the cupholders to be placed next to the shifter rather than behind, as in the Corolla, where they're under your elbow. The wireless phone charging pad is larger than it needs to be, making it easy to reach into, whereas Toyota crammed its pad up under the dashboard. 2 USB ports are right above the Honda's charging pad, whereas Toyota stuck a single port up under the dash next to the glove box, almost as if they forgot to include one until the last minute. The Civic also has a pair of easily accessible USB ports for the rear seats, which Toyota does not, though there's one in the center armrest you'll never use. Does Toyota not know people like charging lots of devices at once, and from every seat?
What About The Tech?
Like USB ports, when it comes to tech, the Civic has a lot more. On paper, both cars have suites of passive and active safety features as standard equipment, but the capabilities differ in practice. Toyota's Safety Sense 2.0 system includes the kind of lane keeping assistance that's been around for years, intervening when you're actually leaving the lane. The Civic's Honda Sensing package is more akin to what Tesla is doing with Autopilot. Not only does the system display in the digital instrument cluster all the vehicles around you it can see, but it also follows Tesla in that it centers you in the lane and helps you steer, doing so nearly as well.
We will say, it would be nice if the Civic's all-digital instrument cluster were more customizable in appearance, but it certainly looks more high-tech than Toyota's half-analog, half-digital arrangement.
A similar critique applies to the infotainment screens. Neither is among our favorites, but both have improved recently—Honda's more so. The tile system of arranging apps is highly customizable, but there's a bit of a learning curve. We're happy to see some hard buttons return for oft-used features. Toyota throws in even more hard buttons, but despite the on-screen interface improvement, it still looks and feels outdated.
Although it's not a high-tech feature, we'd be remiss if we didn't mention that the Corolla doesn't even offer dual-zone climate control, which the Civic does at effectively the same overall as-tested price.
All Right, but How Do They Drive?
The driving experience is a category in which the Corolla acquits itself quite well. When it launched, we were pleasantly surprised by how much better this generation of Corolla drove than its recent predecessors, and it remains a good car to drive. The engine is responsive enough to make you think the car is quicker than it is, the transmission is smart and gets you the power you need immediately, it handles well for a compact sedan, and it rides pretty well.
"Acceleration is all right, the continuously variable transmission is all right, and the handling is all right," Cortina said of the Corolla. "When you're trying to appeal to big audiences, all right is the way to go."
Unfortunately for Toyota, the Civic drives better than any compact sedan needs to. It's quicker, its transmission is smarter—we like how it automatically revs up the engine to help slow you going down big hills—it rides a little better, and it handles way better than anything else in the class. You don't need to know anything about cars except how to drive them to recognize how much better the Civic feels from behind the wheel.
This is borne out in our instrumented test results, too, where the lighter and more powerful Honda is unsurprisingly quicker to 60 mph and through the quarter mile by a decent margin. It holds the road better in our skidpad and figure-8 tests, as well, pulling higher average lateral g's on the former and posting a significantly quicker lap at a higher average g on the latter. The Corolla did win in one category, though: braking. Slamming on the brakes at 60 mph, the Toyota stopped 3 feet shorter.
Saw a new gray 2022 Civic Sport today in traffic (couldn't get a pic as I was driving), it looks phenomenal in person. All the lines, creases and curves flow so well and are balanced and proportioned. It looked much better in person than in pics.
Truly stunning as I do not like the exterior styling of the current Accord. Hats off to the designers, they executed the design so perfectly.
It looks so similar to the Accord though, at least in its profile. Not that it’s a bad thing, I always liked the current Accord aside from the excess chrome bits
Really hoping the upcoming CTR will be toned down just a notch. Hell you could turn down the outgoing one by two levels and it’ll still look a bit much for most.
Honda has three vehicles (CR-V 3, Accord 10, Civic 7) in the top ten most sold vehicles in the US so my guess is Honda is aiming to increase the Civic to be back at Corolla or higher on the list
