Ford: Mondeo News
#81
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I like it. But like I posted in another thread, Ford has been burnt in the past when they did import their Euro models (read: Merkur and then later, the Mondeo based Contour/Mystique). So, I can see why they are a little gun shy on bringing this over.
That said, the Fusion/Milan has sold fairly well for Ford. (If it had the new Duratec 35 motor, I might have considered it before I bought my AV6.) I do not think Ford should do anything that could adversely affect these sales.
That said, the Fusion/Milan has sold fairly well for Ford. (If it had the new Duratec 35 motor, I might have considered it before I bought my AV6.) I do not think Ford should do anything that could adversely affect these sales.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
I like it. But like I posted in another thread, Ford has been burnt in the past when they did import their Euro models (read: Merkur and then later, the Mondeo based Contour/Mystique). So, I can see why they are a little gun shy on bringing this over.
That said, the Fusion/Milan has sold fairly well for Ford. (If it had the new Duratec 35 motor, I might have considered it before I bought my AV6.) I do not think Ford should do anything that could adversely affect these sales.
That said, the Fusion/Milan has sold fairly well for Ford. (If it had the new Duratec 35 motor, I might have considered it before I bought my AV6.) I do not think Ford should do anything that could adversely affect these sales.
#83
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I think you mean 3 times as the Merkur line (Ford's attempt to compete with stateside Euro makes) was strike one. Admittedly, this had more to do with marketing and lack of product development as the XR4Ti and Scorpio were fairly nice cars.
As far as the Contour goes (strike two), I worked at Hertz as a vehicle transporter when we shifted from the 94 Tempo/Topaz (discontinued) to the 95 Contour/Mystique (first year model). So, I have a LOT of experience driving these back-to-back with the 626, Camry as well as occasional 5G Accords, 1/2G Altimas and Grand Ams. For us who drove them regularly, they were a welcome change from the Tempo/Topaz duo.
While the Contour clearly lacked the refinement and quality of the Accord and Camry, they were also much more fun to drive than the Accord and Camry as well. (…used to love tearing up the Pulaski Skyway on early Sunday mornings banging off the 109mph speed governor, while transporting cars to the city….of the fleet, only the 626 V6s and Altimas were more fun to drive.)
The real thing that makes the Contour a "joke" is Ford's $6B (six billion dollar) investment in that Ford Mondeo project, which resulted in a product that wound up being just average (overall) at best. (Even the Euro Mondeo was nothing to write home about.)
Question is: would this Mondeo be a 2-strike base hit or strike 3? This could be the question that Ford is mulling over as we "speak".
As far as the Contour goes (strike two), I worked at Hertz as a vehicle transporter when we shifted from the 94 Tempo/Topaz (discontinued) to the 95 Contour/Mystique (first year model). So, I have a LOT of experience driving these back-to-back with the 626, Camry as well as occasional 5G Accords, 1/2G Altimas and Grand Ams. For us who drove them regularly, they were a welcome change from the Tempo/Topaz duo.
While the Contour clearly lacked the refinement and quality of the Accord and Camry, they were also much more fun to drive than the Accord and Camry as well. (…used to love tearing up the Pulaski Skyway on early Sunday mornings banging off the 109mph speed governor, while transporting cars to the city….of the fleet, only the 626 V6s and Altimas were more fun to drive.)
The real thing that makes the Contour a "joke" is Ford's $6B (six billion dollar) investment in that Ford Mondeo project, which resulted in a product that wound up being just average (overall) at best. (Even the Euro Mondeo was nothing to write home about.)
Question is: would this Mondeo be a 2-strike base hit or strike 3? This could be the question that Ford is mulling over as we "speak".
#85
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i'll answer my own question about whether or not i'd consider buying one.
yes, i would consider it. obviously, i'd have to see how it drives, consider whatever the price may be, and guage the interior. but from the looks of the pictures and from "casino royale," it looks like the type of sporty sedan i am and most likely will always be in the market for.
one thing for certain, it'll definitely get me to visit a ford dealership, and that in itself is a battle won for ford, i think. only people i know that visit ford dealerships are looking for pickup trucks (then again, i live in texas).
yes, i would consider it. obviously, i'd have to see how it drives, consider whatever the price may be, and guage the interior. but from the looks of the pictures and from "casino royale," it looks like the type of sporty sedan i am and most likely will always be in the market for.
one thing for certain, it'll definitely get me to visit a ford dealership, and that in itself is a battle won for ford, i think. only people i know that visit ford dealerships are looking for pickup trucks (then again, i live in texas).
#88
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This new Mondeo looks HOT! Very stylish indeed!!!
#89
Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
Pretty sad that Ford is an American company, but yet doesn't bring over this gorgeous model for their own breatheren (American and Canadians) to drive.
But, I guess a comparison would be Honda doesn't offer the USDM Accord coupe in Japan I don't think.
But, I guess a comparison would be Honda doesn't offer the USDM Accord coupe in Japan I don't think.
Its sad that Ford hasn't been able to move foward like GM has.
Its sad Ford can't take an engineers paper prints from Europe, look at them, and adapt a US factory to build that car in US dollars.
Its sad that US Ford pays designers for new cars like the latest US focus when cars that are already designed in Europe are superior, EURO focus. Deduct the cost to design the new us focus from the cost to import the euro focus which is still 10x better and what do we have? A dying company, cause they still chose to design it here for less.
#90
Originally Posted by titan
Also, I'd say this is one of the hottest wagons on the globe.
#92
Originally Posted by AsianRage
Now, if this was branded "Taurus". We'd have a WINNER!
I sincerely hope someone at Ford thinks the same.
#94
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Originally Posted by Ruski
I see Volvo S40 in this design
maybe a little S60 too...
#95
First Drive: 2007 Ford Mondeo
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1.*
Driving the Great Ford the U.S. Can't Get
By Alistair Weaver, Contributor Email
Date posted: 12-05-2007
The 2007 Ford Mondeo is what remains of Ford's last attempt to build the "world car." Back in the days of former Ford CEO Jac Nasser, we were told that if Ford could just build one car for the whole of mankind instead of a bunch of different platforms for every little Ford region, we'd all end up with better cars. They would be cheaper, too.
It sounds like the same kind of thinking that Henry Ford brought to the Model T. Only with this world car, Ford spent a squillion dollars and called it the Mondeo. And it came to the U.S. in 1995 as the Ford Contour and Mercury Mystique.
And it flopped. America wanted a big, spacious package powered by cheap gasoline (actually America wanted the Ford Explorer sport-utility), and Europe wanted an efficient utilitarian sedan that ran on diesel. No one within Ford could agree on the car's future, while cost complications further doomed the world car concept.
But Ford Chairman Alan Mulally is once again talking about rationalizing the number of different platforms that Ford builds around the world. Now that America is suddenly interested again in efficient sedans, could the all-new 2007 Ford Mondeo be the right kind of car for America?
It should be, because this is the best sedan that Ford builds anywhere in the world.
Mondeo Man
Since the Ford Mondeo first appeared in 1993, more than 4 million examples have been sold. In the United Kingdom, this car has historically been the default choice of the traveling salesman, the man in the unfashionably shiny suit. Your company would hand over a leased Mondeo and you'd spend the next three years touring the country and selling whatever was in its trunk. The car became such a staple of British working life that ex-Ford CEO Jac Nasser referred to "Mondeo man" as a social phenomenon.
But this success became a problem, because Mondeo man didn't like being stereotyped. He either downsized to the similarly spacious yet undeniably cheaper Ford Focus, or traded up to the BMW 3 Series that was tantalizingly within reach. Today, the Ford Focus is the UK's No. 1 selling car and the BMW is in the top 10.
To restore some faith in its staple sedan, Ford has sought to inject some individuality into the new Mondeo.
The Look of the Modern
Thanks to J Mays, Ford's worldwide design director, the new look of Ford is all about "kinetic design." Taking its lead from last year's Iosis concept car, the Mondeo tries to represent "energy in motion." What this means in the real world is a car that's more distinctive than its nondescript predecessor. There are three body styles — sedan, hatchback and wagon. The Mondeo is not what you'd call a step-ahead, but it is handsome and manages to look reassuringly expensive.
For a European sedan, it's also huge. At an overall length of 190.7 inches, it's sized almost identically to the Ford Fusion and closer to a BMW 5 Series than the ubiquitous 3 Series. And thanks to the packaging benefits of a transverse engine and front-wheel drive, the cabin is almost as spacious as a BMW 7 Series.
The Mondeo's interior also looks right. When VW introduced the fourth-generation Golf in 1998, it achieved a quantum leap in cabin quality, forcing Ford to follow suit. The European driver now expects interior plastics to feel soft and leather to feel like it once belonged to a cow.
In this, the Mondeo obliges. It's not quite up to the exquisite standards of an Audi, but it's not far off the quality of the latest Mercedes C-Class. This is mainstream fashion posing as haute couture.
Driving Like the Modern Mondeo Man
Every European-engineered Ford since the first Mondeo has driven extremely well thanks to the oversight of Richard Parry-Jones, who recently retired as Ford's chief technical officer (and has been honored by Queen Elizabeth II with a CBE, no less). His successors have continued this good work with the new Mondeo.
The sedan's suspension features the Mondeo's familiar arrangement of MacPherson struts at the front and Ford's multilink independent setup at the back. The rear subframe of the chassis has been isolated in the interests of improving on-road refinement.
It works. No other front-drive sedan goes down the road as effectively as the Mondeo. It might not be quite as agile as some of its smaller predecessors, but it's hugely accomplished. The damping is terrific, combining excellent high-speed control with a low-speed ride that, while firm by U.S. standards, is never uncomfortable. It's so good that you wonder why Ford bothered to give this car its optional adjustable suspension control.
We also think the Mondeo's crisp steering is a factor here, especially as Parry-Jones is a fanatic on the subject. The Mondeo features a conventional hydraulic-assisted power steering system in place of the electrohydraulic system fitted to the Focus, and there's more road feel through the rim of the steering wheel, which enhances the Mondeo's impression of agility. So, too, does the rapid shift action of the six-speed manual gearbox.
All this makes the Mondeo a fine tool for driving long distances, yet this car also proves genuinely entertaining when the road starts to twist. Team RS, Ford of Europe's performance division, will have a fine starting point if it's given license to tune the Mondeo.
Making Modern Power
More than 70 percent of Mondeo models sold in Europe are powered by diesel. There are three turbocharged common-rail diesels to choose from, and their output ranges from 99 horsepower to 138 hp. Four gasoline engines are also part of the model mix, and their output ranges from 123 to 217 hp.
The Mondeo Titanium X that we spent time in featured a 217-hp turbocharged 2,521cc inline-5. There are 236 pound-feet of torque available between 1,500 rpm and 4,800 rpm. The car's performance is brisk — it takes 7.3 seconds to get to 60 mph, and acceleration doesn't stop until you reach 152 mph.
Nevertheless, the Mondeo is a heavy car at 3,596 pounds, and it needs to be worked hard to deliver its best. Fuel consumption inevitably suffers, which is especially problematic on a continent where gas now costs over $8 per U.S. gallon.
Why the Mondeo Won't Be in the U.S. Any Time Soon
Money.
The 2007 Ford Mondeo is built at Ford's plant in Genk, Belgium, and the 30 percent decline in the dollar's value against the euro makes the prospect of exporting this car to the U.S. utterly untenable.
In the U.K., the top-of-the-line Mondeo 2.5 Titanium X tested costs $46,950 at today's exchange rates. Since the price of a Ford Fusion now starts at $17,770, it's not hard to see why there'd be no American constituency for this car. As one senior U.K.-based Ford exec put it, "If we sold it in the U.S., we'd have to take so much equipment out of it that we'd have to sell it as a cave."
But while the European-spec Mondeo's limited prospects for America are therefore easy to explain, it's still a shame that U.S. drivers cannot experience its brilliance. As the 2007 Ford Mondeo proves, Ford might not have the badge prestige of Audi, BMW or Mercedes-Benz, but it can build a car that can go toe to toe with the very best sedans in the world.
By Alistair Weaver, Contributor Email
Date posted: 12-05-2007
The 2007 Ford Mondeo is what remains of Ford's last attempt to build the "world car." Back in the days of former Ford CEO Jac Nasser, we were told that if Ford could just build one car for the whole of mankind instead of a bunch of different platforms for every little Ford region, we'd all end up with better cars. They would be cheaper, too.
It sounds like the same kind of thinking that Henry Ford brought to the Model T. Only with this world car, Ford spent a squillion dollars and called it the Mondeo. And it came to the U.S. in 1995 as the Ford Contour and Mercury Mystique.
And it flopped. America wanted a big, spacious package powered by cheap gasoline (actually America wanted the Ford Explorer sport-utility), and Europe wanted an efficient utilitarian sedan that ran on diesel. No one within Ford could agree on the car's future, while cost complications further doomed the world car concept.
But Ford Chairman Alan Mulally is once again talking about rationalizing the number of different platforms that Ford builds around the world. Now that America is suddenly interested again in efficient sedans, could the all-new 2007 Ford Mondeo be the right kind of car for America?
It should be, because this is the best sedan that Ford builds anywhere in the world.
Mondeo Man
Since the Ford Mondeo first appeared in 1993, more than 4 million examples have been sold. In the United Kingdom, this car has historically been the default choice of the traveling salesman, the man in the unfashionably shiny suit. Your company would hand over a leased Mondeo and you'd spend the next three years touring the country and selling whatever was in its trunk. The car became such a staple of British working life that ex-Ford CEO Jac Nasser referred to "Mondeo man" as a social phenomenon.
But this success became a problem, because Mondeo man didn't like being stereotyped. He either downsized to the similarly spacious yet undeniably cheaper Ford Focus, or traded up to the BMW 3 Series that was tantalizingly within reach. Today, the Ford Focus is the UK's No. 1 selling car and the BMW is in the top 10.
To restore some faith in its staple sedan, Ford has sought to inject some individuality into the new Mondeo.
The Look of the Modern
Thanks to J Mays, Ford's worldwide design director, the new look of Ford is all about "kinetic design." Taking its lead from last year's Iosis concept car, the Mondeo tries to represent "energy in motion." What this means in the real world is a car that's more distinctive than its nondescript predecessor. There are three body styles — sedan, hatchback and wagon. The Mondeo is not what you'd call a step-ahead, but it is handsome and manages to look reassuringly expensive.
For a European sedan, it's also huge. At an overall length of 190.7 inches, it's sized almost identically to the Ford Fusion and closer to a BMW 5 Series than the ubiquitous 3 Series. And thanks to the packaging benefits of a transverse engine and front-wheel drive, the cabin is almost as spacious as a BMW 7 Series.
The Mondeo's interior also looks right. When VW introduced the fourth-generation Golf in 1998, it achieved a quantum leap in cabin quality, forcing Ford to follow suit. The European driver now expects interior plastics to feel soft and leather to feel like it once belonged to a cow.
In this, the Mondeo obliges. It's not quite up to the exquisite standards of an Audi, but it's not far off the quality of the latest Mercedes C-Class. This is mainstream fashion posing as haute couture.
Driving Like the Modern Mondeo Man
Every European-engineered Ford since the first Mondeo has driven extremely well thanks to the oversight of Richard Parry-Jones, who recently retired as Ford's chief technical officer (and has been honored by Queen Elizabeth II with a CBE, no less). His successors have continued this good work with the new Mondeo.
The sedan's suspension features the Mondeo's familiar arrangement of MacPherson struts at the front and Ford's multilink independent setup at the back. The rear subframe of the chassis has been isolated in the interests of improving on-road refinement.
It works. No other front-drive sedan goes down the road as effectively as the Mondeo. It might not be quite as agile as some of its smaller predecessors, but it's hugely accomplished. The damping is terrific, combining excellent high-speed control with a low-speed ride that, while firm by U.S. standards, is never uncomfortable. It's so good that you wonder why Ford bothered to give this car its optional adjustable suspension control.
We also think the Mondeo's crisp steering is a factor here, especially as Parry-Jones is a fanatic on the subject. The Mondeo features a conventional hydraulic-assisted power steering system in place of the electrohydraulic system fitted to the Focus, and there's more road feel through the rim of the steering wheel, which enhances the Mondeo's impression of agility. So, too, does the rapid shift action of the six-speed manual gearbox.
All this makes the Mondeo a fine tool for driving long distances, yet this car also proves genuinely entertaining when the road starts to twist. Team RS, Ford of Europe's performance division, will have a fine starting point if it's given license to tune the Mondeo.
Making Modern Power
More than 70 percent of Mondeo models sold in Europe are powered by diesel. There are three turbocharged common-rail diesels to choose from, and their output ranges from 99 horsepower to 138 hp. Four gasoline engines are also part of the model mix, and their output ranges from 123 to 217 hp.
The Mondeo Titanium X that we spent time in featured a 217-hp turbocharged 2,521cc inline-5. There are 236 pound-feet of torque available between 1,500 rpm and 4,800 rpm. The car's performance is brisk — it takes 7.3 seconds to get to 60 mph, and acceleration doesn't stop until you reach 152 mph.
Nevertheless, the Mondeo is a heavy car at 3,596 pounds, and it needs to be worked hard to deliver its best. Fuel consumption inevitably suffers, which is especially problematic on a continent where gas now costs over $8 per U.S. gallon.
Why the Mondeo Won't Be in the U.S. Any Time Soon
Money.
The 2007 Ford Mondeo is built at Ford's plant in Genk, Belgium, and the 30 percent decline in the dollar's value against the euro makes the prospect of exporting this car to the U.S. utterly untenable.
In the U.K., the top-of-the-line Mondeo 2.5 Titanium X tested costs $46,950 at today's exchange rates. Since the price of a Ford Fusion now starts at $17,770, it's not hard to see why there'd be no American constituency for this car. As one senior U.K.-based Ford exec put it, "If we sold it in the U.S., we'd have to take so much equipment out of it that we'd have to sell it as a cave."
But while the European-spec Mondeo's limited prospects for America are therefore easy to explain, it's still a shame that U.S. drivers cannot experience its brilliance. As the 2007 Ford Mondeo proves, Ford might not have the badge prestige of Audi, BMW or Mercedes-Benz, but it can build a car that can go toe to toe with the very best sedans in the world.
#96
What Would Don Draper Do?
1. "it's still a shame that U.S. drivers cannot experience its brilliance"
big frikin'
2. that is one heavy and expensive car.
EDIT: missed the part with the exchange rate.
3. and yet, i would want to be a modern modeo man.
*sigh*
big frikin'
2. that is one heavy and expensive car.
EDIT: missed the part with the exchange rate.
3. and yet, i would want to be a modern modeo man.
*sigh*
Last edited by JediMindTricks; 12-06-2007 at 01:15 PM.
#97
The sizzle in the Steak
Hey Ford...DON'T EXPORT IT!!!!!
BUILD IT HERE IN NA!!!!!!!
BUILD IT HERE IN NA!!!!!!!
#98
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Hey Ford...DON'T EXPORT IT!!!!!
BUILD IT HERE IN NA!!!!!!!
BUILD IT HERE IN NA!!!!!!!
They should be able to build it for $25K and replace the 500/Taurus with it.
#99
Fahrvergnügen'd
Originally Posted by biker
They should be able to build it for $25K and replace the 500/Taurus with it.
#102
That was uncalled for...
Originally Posted by chungkopi
Ford knows taurus meant to be boring and ugly!
New Mondeo is such a good looking car... This really should be the new Taurus...
#103
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BTW, love the detailing in the headlights.
#105
Some dude
Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Hey Ford...DON'T EXPORT IT!!!!!
BUILD IT HERE IN NA!!!!!!!
BUILD IT HERE IN NA!!!!!!!
With the current exchange rates I could see Ford building them in America for export to Europe and STILL not selling them here. It just sounds like something Ford of NA would do to screw with domestic customers.
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i seriously think those headlights on the Mondeo are more exciting than the headlights on the Mustang.
another bonehead move by Ford to screw their USA customers and it's a USA company.
another bonehead move by Ford to screw their USA customers and it's a USA company.
#108
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Ford Introduces New Mondeo Titanium X Sport...
From Worldcarfans...
Ford is going sportier with the new Mondeo by adding the Titanium X Sport versions on the existing range. Titanium X Sport brings with it several changes to the Mondeo, changes like a new 2.2-litre TDCi engine which puts out 35PS more than its 2.0-litre sibling. That accelerates to 62 mph from nothing in 8.4 seconds with a top end of 139 mph. Environment is priority of course so the engine produces only 165 g/km in emissions as well as an average fuel consumption figure of 45.6 mpg. The petrol car stays with its 2.5-litre turbo engine.
Taking care of the looks department are 18-inch alloys, twin chromed exhaust pipes, side skirts, piano black inlays, leather/alcantara seats and red stitching detail. It all may sound a little 1970s Afro but it really works. Titanium X Sport also gets itself an advanced Bluetooth connection, alloy pedals, sports suspension and bi-xenon lights. The in-dash 6-CD Sony changer is a real party-starter. Good thing too because it comes standard with Titanium X Sport.
Pricing for the cars start from £23,355 (5 door) and £26,605 (estate) on the road for United Kingdom
Taking care of the looks department are 18-inch alloys, twin chromed exhaust pipes, side skirts, piano black inlays, leather/alcantara seats and red stitching detail. It all may sound a little 1970s Afro but it really works. Titanium X Sport also gets itself an advanced Bluetooth connection, alloy pedals, sports suspension and bi-xenon lights. The in-dash 6-CD Sony changer is a real party-starter. Good thing too because it comes standard with Titanium X Sport.
Pricing for the cars start from £23,355 (5 door) and £26,605 (estate) on the road for United Kingdom
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Damn that's hot. Fuck, you wanna save Mercury? This car is how you do it. It's to pricey to be a Ford in the NA market, and it's FWD, so it's no good for Lincoln (they'll be moved to RWD eventually).
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IWHI. Period.
#116
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
I can't wait for the day when LCD's replace entire instrument clusters or replace the faces on the clusters but still have the needles.
#119
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
i'd like to see this car sell in the U.S.