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#441
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The problem with the Fusion design is that the wheels really make a difference. The cheap, small SE wheels look terrible. The Titanium wheels really tie the car together < /Big Lebowski>
#442
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http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/30/f...fir/#continued
I guess it isn't such a bright idea to slap a 1.6L engine into a 3500+lb car/suv with AWD....
You end up using so much boost which takes away any theoretical mpg advantage and causes engine overheat....1.6L is just a bit too aggressive IMO
Hopefully the Fiesta ST will be fine. Even though it's more poweful, it's also 1000lb lighter.
I guess it isn't such a bright idea to slap a 1.6L engine into a 3500+lb car/suv with AWD....
You end up using so much boost which takes away any theoretical mpg advantage and causes engine overheat....1.6L is just a bit too aggressive IMO
Hopefully the Fiesta ST will be fine. Even though it's more poweful, it's also 1000lb lighter.
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Turbocharged engines in general tend to generate more heat than NA engines. The 2.5L may have less hp/torque than the 1.6 EgoBoost engine, but it certainly doesn't rely on any boost to make any of its hp/torque. The 1.6 unit on the other hand has to constantly gets into boost mode to generate the necessary power to get the car moving at the desired rate.
Turbo uses exhaust gas to drive the impeller to draw more air into the engine. Exhaust gas is hot. When you compress air, pressure increases too. When pressure increases, temperature increases as well. If there's not enough time (i.e. overworking the engine) or if the design doesn't allow proper cooling (i.e. intercooler not good enough), then you have overheating problem.
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Tests show Ford Fusion, C-Max hybrids don't live up to 47-mpg claims
Ford has been making some eye-opening claims about the fuel economy of the redesigned 2013 Fusion Hybrid sedan and new C-Max Hybrid wagon: "47 city/47 highway/47 combined mpg." After running both vehicles through our real-world tests, we have gotten very good results. But they are far below Ford's ambitious triple-47 figures.
In our tests, the Fusion Hybrid delivered 39 mpg overall and 35 and 41 in city and highway conditions, respectively. For the C-Max Hybrid, we got 37 mpg overall, with 35 and 38 for city and highway. These two vehicles have the largest discrepancy between our overall-mpg results and the estimates published by the EPA that we've seen among any current models.
Yes, the disclaimer on EPA fuel-economy labels notes that "your results may differ." But the overall mpg for these C-Max and Fusion models is off by a whopping 10 and 8 mpg, respectively, or about 20 percent. Our overall-mpg results are usually pretty close to the EPA's combined-mpg estimate. Among current models, more than 80 percent of the vehicles we've tested are within 2 mpg. The largest discrepancy we've previously seen was 7 and 6 mpg for the Toyota Prius C subcompact and Prius hatchback, respectively. And while our highway test results almost always meet or exceed the EPA highway numbers, our highway figures for these cars fell far below.
Make no mistake; both the Fusion Hybrid and C-Max Hybrid still deliver excellent fuel economy. The Fusion Hybrid's 39 mpg is the best of any family sedan we've tested, edging out the Toyota Camry Hybrid by 1 mpg. And the C-Max Hybrid's 37 mpg is second only to the Prius V's 41 mpg in its class. But our tests show that buyers shouldn't expect the stellar 47 mpg that Ford is promoting.
How did we measure the real-world fuel economy? Like every car we test, we first put 2,000 break-in miles on the Fusion and C-Max hybrids after buying them from local dealerships. Then, we installed a precision fuel meter in the fuel line. To measure the city mpg, we ran the cars through the standard course on our test track, which consists of regimented speeds, multiple stops, and predetermined idle time. For the highway mpg, we twice drove the cars each way on a specific section of a local highway at 65 mph. Tests are run by multiple drivers on each vehicle, conducted only under certain weather conditions, and corrected for ambient temperature. (Learn more about how we test cars.)
EPA fuel-economy estimates are the result of testing on a dynamometer. It's worth noting that automakers mostly self-certify their cars. Then, the EPA spot-checks about 15 percent of them with its own tests in a lab. We have reported our fuel-economy results to the EPA.
We're not alone in these findings. Some Fusion Hybrid and C-Max Hybrid owners have reported fuel economy below the EPA estimates and other media outlets have experienced a similar shortfall.
Make & model CR overall mpg EPA combined mpg Difference
Ford C-Max SE 37 47 10
Ford Fusion Hybrid SE 39 47 8
Toyota Prius C Two 43 50 7
Toyota Prius 44 50 6
Honda Civic Hybrid 40 44 4
Infiniti M35h 25 29 4
Lexus ES 300h 36 40 4
Buick LaCrosse (4-cyl., eAssist) 26 29 3
Honda Insight EX 38 41 3
Hyundai Sonata Hybrid 33 36 3
Lexus RX 450h 26 29 3
Lexus CT 200h 40 42 2
Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE 38 40 2
Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid 19 20 1
Toyota Highlander Hybrid 27 28 1
Toyota Prius V Three 41 42 1
Chevrolet Malibu Eco 29 29 0
Honda CR-Z EX (manual) 35 34 -1
In response to our results, a Ford representative said in an email, "Early C-Max Hybrid and Fusion Hybrid customers praise the vehicles and report a range of fuel economy figures, including some reports above 47 mpg. This reinforces the fact that driving styles, driving conditions, and other factors can cause mileage to vary."
Earlier this month, the EPA forced Hyundai to restate fuel-economy estimates for 27 models after overstating their estimates. The company is spending an estimated $100 million a year to refund buyers for the extra fuel they burn.
"Most buyers won't get anything near 47 mpg in the real world," says Jake Fisher, Consumer Reports' director of auto testing. "Even though these two Ford hybrids are very efficient, this big discrepancy may leave customers disappointed."
Those fuel-economy results come as we're testing three versions of the 2013 Fusion, as well as the C-Max Hybrid. Initial findings indicate the sleek, sophisticated Fusion is a solid, well-rounded package. With a very composed ride and sharp handling, it drives more like an upscale sports sedans than a mundane family hauler. The C-Max is a very practical package that also drives well. Look for full road-test reports soon.
—Consumer Reports
Ford has been making some eye-opening claims about the fuel economy of the redesigned 2013 Fusion Hybrid sedan and new C-Max Hybrid wagon: "47 city/47 highway/47 combined mpg." After running both vehicles through our real-world tests, we have gotten very good results. But they are far below Ford's ambitious triple-47 figures.
In our tests, the Fusion Hybrid delivered 39 mpg overall and 35 and 41 in city and highway conditions, respectively. For the C-Max Hybrid, we got 37 mpg overall, with 35 and 38 for city and highway. These two vehicles have the largest discrepancy between our overall-mpg results and the estimates published by the EPA that we've seen among any current models.
Yes, the disclaimer on EPA fuel-economy labels notes that "your results may differ." But the overall mpg for these C-Max and Fusion models is off by a whopping 10 and 8 mpg, respectively, or about 20 percent. Our overall-mpg results are usually pretty close to the EPA's combined-mpg estimate. Among current models, more than 80 percent of the vehicles we've tested are within 2 mpg. The largest discrepancy we've previously seen was 7 and 6 mpg for the Toyota Prius C subcompact and Prius hatchback, respectively. And while our highway test results almost always meet or exceed the EPA highway numbers, our highway figures for these cars fell far below.
Make no mistake; both the Fusion Hybrid and C-Max Hybrid still deliver excellent fuel economy. The Fusion Hybrid's 39 mpg is the best of any family sedan we've tested, edging out the Toyota Camry Hybrid by 1 mpg. And the C-Max Hybrid's 37 mpg is second only to the Prius V's 41 mpg in its class. But our tests show that buyers shouldn't expect the stellar 47 mpg that Ford is promoting.
How did we measure the real-world fuel economy? Like every car we test, we first put 2,000 break-in miles on the Fusion and C-Max hybrids after buying them from local dealerships. Then, we installed a precision fuel meter in the fuel line. To measure the city mpg, we ran the cars through the standard course on our test track, which consists of regimented speeds, multiple stops, and predetermined idle time. For the highway mpg, we twice drove the cars each way on a specific section of a local highway at 65 mph. Tests are run by multiple drivers on each vehicle, conducted only under certain weather conditions, and corrected for ambient temperature. (Learn more about how we test cars.)
EPA fuel-economy estimates are the result of testing on a dynamometer. It's worth noting that automakers mostly self-certify their cars. Then, the EPA spot-checks about 15 percent of them with its own tests in a lab. We have reported our fuel-economy results to the EPA.
We're not alone in these findings. Some Fusion Hybrid and C-Max Hybrid owners have reported fuel economy below the EPA estimates and other media outlets have experienced a similar shortfall.
Make & model CR overall mpg EPA combined mpg Difference
Ford C-Max SE 37 47 10
Ford Fusion Hybrid SE 39 47 8
Toyota Prius C Two 43 50 7
Toyota Prius 44 50 6
Honda Civic Hybrid 40 44 4
Infiniti M35h 25 29 4
Lexus ES 300h 36 40 4
Buick LaCrosse (4-cyl., eAssist) 26 29 3
Honda Insight EX 38 41 3
Hyundai Sonata Hybrid 33 36 3
Lexus RX 450h 26 29 3
Lexus CT 200h 40 42 2
Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE 38 40 2
Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid 19 20 1
Toyota Highlander Hybrid 27 28 1
Toyota Prius V Three 41 42 1
Chevrolet Malibu Eco 29 29 0
Honda CR-Z EX (manual) 35 34 -1
In response to our results, a Ford representative said in an email, "Early C-Max Hybrid and Fusion Hybrid customers praise the vehicles and report a range of fuel economy figures, including some reports above 47 mpg. This reinforces the fact that driving styles, driving conditions, and other factors can cause mileage to vary."
Earlier this month, the EPA forced Hyundai to restate fuel-economy estimates for 27 models after overstating their estimates. The company is spending an estimated $100 million a year to refund buyers for the extra fuel they burn.
"Most buyers won't get anything near 47 mpg in the real world," says Jake Fisher, Consumer Reports' director of auto testing. "Even though these two Ford hybrids are very efficient, this big discrepancy may leave customers disappointed."
Those fuel-economy results come as we're testing three versions of the 2013 Fusion, as well as the C-Max Hybrid. Initial findings indicate the sleek, sophisticated Fusion is a solid, well-rounded package. With a very composed ride and sharp handling, it drives more like an upscale sports sedans than a mundane family hauler. The C-Max is a very practical package that also drives well. Look for full road-test reports soon.
—Consumer Reports
#445
Team Owner
Ford recalling new Fusion for faulty headlamps
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/ford...amps-1C7490754
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/ford...amps-1C7490754
Ford Motor Co. plans to recall more than 19,000 of its new Fusion midsize sedans to replace faulty headlamps, the second service action hitting the new and well-publicized vehicle in just a week.
Last Friday, the automaker announced that it would recall about 80,000 vehicles, including nearly 16,000 Fusions, because of a potential fire risk.
The latest recall was triggered by the discovery of a manufacturing defect at a Ford supplier that could result in the vehicle’s headlamps dimming and becoming hazy over time, according to documents the automaker filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
In all, 19,106 Fusion sedans are covered by the latest recall. A total of 15,833 were impacted by the previous recall which was triggered by reports of fires in both the new Fusion and the newly redesigned Ford Escape crossover. (In all, 73,320 of the CUVs will need repairs.) According to government records, coolant can leak from Fusion and Escape models equipped with Ford’s 1.6-liter EcoBoost engine. If that comes into contact with hot engine or exhaust components a fire is possible. A company spokesman said the headlamp problem was discovered during internal testing of the Fusion sedan, which was completely redesigned for the 2013 model-year and which went on sale in September. The maker says it has received no reports of accidents or injuries related to the problem – though NHTSA warned that the defect could nonetheless increase the possibility of a crash.
Last Friday, the automaker announced that it would recall about 80,000 vehicles, including nearly 16,000 Fusions, because of a potential fire risk.
The latest recall was triggered by the discovery of a manufacturing defect at a Ford supplier that could result in the vehicle’s headlamps dimming and becoming hazy over time, according to documents the automaker filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
In all, 19,106 Fusion sedans are covered by the latest recall. A total of 15,833 were impacted by the previous recall which was triggered by reports of fires in both the new Fusion and the newly redesigned Ford Escape crossover. (In all, 73,320 of the CUVs will need repairs.) According to government records, coolant can leak from Fusion and Escape models equipped with Ford’s 1.6-liter EcoBoost engine. If that comes into contact with hot engine or exhaust components a fire is possible. A company spokesman said the headlamp problem was discovered during internal testing of the Fusion sedan, which was completely redesigned for the 2013 model-year and which went on sale in September. The maker says it has received no reports of accidents or injuries related to the problem – though NHTSA warned that the defect could nonetheless increase the possibility of a crash.
#446
Race Director
It sometimes still comes down to what real world driving is to each individual driver. The only beef to have with the numbers is if they are fudged like Hyundai's. If Ford actually got 47/47 on the authorized EPA test, then there's no issue. Now, we can argue all day about what that EPA test should really test.
#447
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It sometimes still comes down to what real world driving is to each individual driver. The only beef to have with the numbers is if they are fudged like Hyundai's. If Ford actually got 47/47 on the authorized EPA test, then there's no issue. Now, we can argue all day about what that EPA test should really test.
#448
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WSJ's take on the fusion: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...Header_Rotator
Summary statement:
Summary statement:
There can be no greater tribute to some rank-and-file, made-by-the-million family car: I want to drive it again.
#450
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'bout time. Give it a 6MT
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#453
I drive a Subata.
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It's like a sedan version of FoRS!?
#454
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This came out of left field. I'm excited to see how it turns out!
#455
Team Owner
This is what Acura should do...
I hope it will use a different AT than the SE rental one i drove earlier this year...
It was a POS.
I hope it will use a different AT than the SE rental one i drove earlier this year...
It was a POS.
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Team Owner
Wow. I would have never thought Ford would be so on-the-ball with listening to customers and giving them what they ask for. Nicely done.
I wonder what it will take for Acura to start doing the same.
I wonder what it will take for Acura to start doing the same.
#457
Team Owner
a pair of balls.
#458
Team Owner
Soooo... Not happening.
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haha more like sedan version of FoST!!
I think it will have way more than 300hp. I mean the 2.3L unit in the mustang is already pushing 315hp, and the FoRS is over 340hp, I'd be surprised if the Fusion ST isn't more powerful.
For reference, the F-150 2.7L makes 325hp/375lbft. I would imagine a tune for the Fusion can be 350hp/lbft.
It will need that much power anyway to have some serious performance anyway....considering how the current Fusion Titanium 2.0T AWD with 240hp/270lbft is actually pretty darn slow....
Ford Fusion Titanium 2.0L EcoBoost AWD Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
Zero to 60 mph: 7.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 21.1 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 38.4 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.7 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.7 sec @ 88 mph
I think it will have way more than 300hp. I mean the 2.3L unit in the mustang is already pushing 315hp, and the FoRS is over 340hp, I'd be surprised if the Fusion ST isn't more powerful.
For reference, the F-150 2.7L makes 325hp/375lbft. I would imagine a tune for the Fusion can be 350hp/lbft.
It will need that much power anyway to have some serious performance anyway....considering how the current Fusion Titanium 2.0T AWD with 240hp/270lbft is actually pretty darn slow....
Ford Fusion Titanium 2.0L EcoBoost AWD Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
Zero to 60 mph: 7.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 21.1 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 38.4 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.7 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.7 sec @ 88 mph
#460
Team Owner
It is the transmission. i am telling you.
#462
Team Owner
let's just say if fusion does 0-60 in 7.3 secs... half of that time is shifting without acceleration.
#464
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haha more like sedan version of FoST!!
I think it will have way more than 300hp. I mean the 2.3L unit in the mustang is already pushing 315hp, and the FoRS is over 340hp, I'd be surprised if the Fusion ST isn't more powerful.
For reference, the F-150 2.7L makes 325hp/375lbft. I would imagine a tune for the Fusion can be 350hp/lbft.
It will need that much power anyway to have some serious performance anyway....considering how the current Fusion Titanium 2.0T AWD with 240hp/270lbft is actually pretty darn slow....
Ford Fusion Titanium 2.0L EcoBoost AWD Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
Zero to 60 mph: 7.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 21.1 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 38.4 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.7 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.7 sec @ 88 mph
I think it will have way more than 300hp. I mean the 2.3L unit in the mustang is already pushing 315hp, and the FoRS is over 340hp, I'd be surprised if the Fusion ST isn't more powerful.
For reference, the F-150 2.7L makes 325hp/375lbft. I would imagine a tune for the Fusion can be 350hp/lbft.
It will need that much power anyway to have some serious performance anyway....considering how the current Fusion Titanium 2.0T AWD with 240hp/270lbft is actually pretty darn slow....
Ford Fusion Titanium 2.0L EcoBoost AWD Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
Zero to 60 mph: 7.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 21.1 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 38.4 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.7 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.7 sec @ 88 mph
#465
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I don't give a donkey crap about 0-60 time and hp figures.
What I know is that Ford has been absolutely ON POINT these days with their ST lineup and the latest Mustang models.
I'm sure they will come out with a bang on this car.
What I know is that Ford has been absolutely ON POINT these days with their ST lineup and the latest Mustang models.
I'm sure they will come out with a bang on this car.
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1. One of the lamest posts I've seen in a long time
2. Ford did NOT receive any funding
3. Wish Honda would go under and get some help from their government, so their top executives would take their head out of their asses and start making sensible business decisions
Come on, man.
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#471
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One can get north of 365hp with the second most aggressive tune from Cobb for the Ecoboost Mustang. And it's not enough, to be honest. I think the 412hp in the GT is probably the least the car should have to really feel quick. It's a heavy car.
That said, 365hp feels much better than the stock 310. Stock, the car feels slow.
That said, 365hp feels much better than the stock 310. Stock, the car feels slow.
#474
Moderator
Another that we aren't getting; Mondeo (Fusion) ST-Line. Sadly it only gets a 178hp diesel. So it's just suspension & cosmetic upgrades.
We do get the Fusion Sport, but at this wagon.
We do get the Fusion Sport, but at this wagon.
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#475
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Now thats
#476
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Motor Trend
Ford May Simply Kill the Fusion in the U.S. - Motor Trend
Why bother competing in the midsize sedan segment anymore?
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If you’re in the market for a midsize sedan, it’s a fantastic time to buy. Both the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry have been recently redesigned, the Hyundai Sonata was just refreshed, the Mazda6 is set to get a turbocharger, and Ford will happily sell you an all-wheel-drive Fusion that makes 380 lb-ft of torque. If you’re an automaker trying to sell midsize sedans, however, it hasn’t been the best year. Sales are down across the board, with several models posting year-over-year sales drops of more than 20 percent. But instead of redesigning the Fusion to better compete with the Camry and Accord, it looks like Ford might give up on selling it in the U.S. altogether.Our 1st hint came last week when Ford confirmed it plans to stop building the Fusion in its Hermosillo, Mexico, factory. Our 1st thought was that Ford would import the Fusion from China, but that was quickly shut down. “We have no plans to export the next-generation Fusion/Mondeo from China to North America and Europe,” a representative told us in an email. As Automotive News points out, assuming Ford isn’t lying, that means it would have to find a factory in a different country to produce the North American Fusion or stop selling it here.
But when Automotive News asked Jim Hackett, Ford’s new CEO, if he thought the Fusion had a future in the U.S., Hackett responded by saying, “I’m giving you a hint.” Considering that he’d just been talking about no longer producing the Fusion in North America and not importing it from China, it sure sounds like Hackett was saying-without-actually-saying he doesn’t expect to sell the next Fusion in the ‘States.
#479
Senior Moderator
i see so many of them around here why would you kill it. I see as many or more than accords, camrys, malibus
#480
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Kill the Taurus, keep the Fusion. I see probably 20:1 Fusion:Taurus around here, Police vehicles excluded.