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Old 02-22-2018, 04:27 PM
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So the ranking is for "Which Car Brands Make the Best Vehicles?"

And it is telling me that Hyundai/Genesis makes better cars than Porsche?

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as well as owner feedback on more than 640,000 cars to determine the predicted reliability and owner satisfaction ratings
the system itself is flawed, when BMW/Porsche and other brand buyers spent $60k-100k on their new car, of course they have certain higher than normal expectations than let's say you spent $40k on a Genesis. I spend less, especially less than its direct comeptitors and getting the similar values/performance, of course i will be more satisfied.

What does that have to do with reliability and best vehicles?

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Well, Subaru has always treated me alright. And my Volvo's have been great. Not getting upset at the charts or methodology, but I think it relates more to doing all the recommended maintenance . On time.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo View Post
So the ranking is for "Which Car Brands Make the Best Vehicles?"

And it is telling me that Hyundai/Genesis makes better cars than Porsche?
No, it is telling you that by their measuring methodology Genesis ranked higher than Porsche.

This jives with what I've seen of Genesis owner opinions on this board, and of Audi owner opinions.

Also Acura.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo View Post
So the ranking is for "Which Car Brands Make the Best Vehicles?"

And it is telling me that Hyundai/Genesis makes better cars than Porsche?

Also
the system itself is flawed, when BMW/Porsche and other brand buyers spent $60k-100k on their new car, of course they have certain higher than normal expectations than let's say you spent $40k on a Genesis. I spend less, especially less than its direct comeptitors and getting the similar values/performance, of course i will be more satisfied.

What does that have to do with reliability and best vehicles?
Probably has more to do with Genesis only currently having 2 models rather than any variation in expectations.

Plus, the ATP for Genesis is pretty close to BMW (closer to BMW than say, Lexus, much less Acura).

Let's not forget that the bulk of BMW sales is w/ the 3 Series (starts at $35k), 4 Series ($43k), X3 ($38k), along w/ the 2 Series, X1, X2 and X4.

What's the expectation of those owners?

Another reason why that argument doesn't hold water is that the models with the lowest owner satisfaction scores are the ILX and CLA - so the cheapest Acura and MB, respectively, got the lowest satisfaction scores when supposedly those owners should have lower expectations.

Lexus owners spend less than BMW owners, so shouldn't they have greater owner satisfaction than BMW owners?

And is that the reason BMW owners have a greater satisfaction score than MB owners (as MBs generally have a pricing premium, esp. the S Class)?

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Probably has more to do with Genesis only currently having 2 models rather than any variation in expectations.

Plus, the ATP for Genesis is pretty close to BMW (closer to BMW than say, Lexus, much less Acura).

Let's not forget that the bulk of BMW sales is w/ the 3 Series (starts at $35k), 4 Series ($43k), X3 ($38k), along w/ the 2 Series, X1, X2 and X4.

What's the expectation of those owners?

Another reason why that argument doesn't hold water is that the models with the lowest owner satisfaction scores are the ILX and CLA - so the cheapest Acura and MB, respectively, got the lowest satisfaction scores when supposedly those owners should have lower expectations.

Lexus owners spend less than BMW owners, so shouldn't they have greater owner satisfaction than BMW owners?

And is that the reason BMW owners have a greater satisfaction score than MB owners (as MBs generally have a pricing premium, esp. the S Class)?
Those 3/4 series drivers have higher expectation (a better name for badge whores) because they drive a car with a BMW badge on it.. i mean come on... why else would anyone get a base stripper 320 with halogen light in 2018 over a fully loaded 2.0T Accord.

BTW: my 4 series is 60k
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo View Post
Those 3/4 series drivers have higher expectation (a better name for badge whores) because they drive a car with a BMW badge on it.. i mean come on... why else would anyone get a base stripper 320 with halogen light in 2018 over a fully loaded 2.0T Accord.

BTW: my 4 series is 60k
I would definitely opt for a 320i over a fully tarted up 2.0T Accord. Why? Two reasons, RWD and Manual Transmission. Nuff said.
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Accord 2.0T comes with a manual.
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Accord 2.0T comes with a manual.
Correct, a strippo Accord 2.0T is available with a manual, what I said was "a fully tarted Accord 2.0T"; that car is not available with three pedals under the dash.
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