Source of pics above: www.RoadandTrack.com


I was reading a couple of mags while at the DC airport about the 911S vs C6 (Z51 equipped) comparo.

From a performance perspective as far as speed, the 911S was faster. And that was the case in both mags (it was Automobile and Road and Track mags).

From memory:

0-60
911S= 4.4
C6 = 4.5 (4.6 in the other mag)

1/4
911S = 12.9
C6 = 13.0
The trap speed was a mile or two higher for the C6, signaling more power on the ground.

One mag said, in real world driving, the C6 is faster; it's just that it hooks better at launch due to the fact the engine is in the rear and the polar inertia favors it more than with the C6.

I will give two more personal reasons:

1. The 911 has sticker and lower profile tires when the C6 has run flats. By the way, no car has spares. Justifiably so for the C6 due to the run flats but what's up with the 911S? So if you have a flat tire, you're stuck on the road waiting for AAA? Embarrassing I say...

2. Looking at the gearing, you can see why. The 911 has shorter gearing on ALL gears as compared to the C6. But first gear is the ultimate proof of the fact that the 911S engineers were trying to find other ways to make this car post fast/quick times, other than using engine power. There was a 10mph!!! difference in first gear alone between the two cars, with the 911S being the shorter geared one in this case of course.

So because the 911S, due to its design (engine behind the rear axle) can hook like hell, the engineers try to take advantage of that launch at its maximum, cos they know it won’t be fast enough once it hooks.

So the

0-120
and
0-140 mph runs, the C6 won by far.

Note that the C6 gets it max./top speed wit 5th gear! Just to get an idea of how long-geared this car is designed to be. I doubt this will be the case with the Z06 C6. So 911 Turbo watch out.

So if you are on the highway with a C6 and a 911S wants to play, you can pull on it all day long. That's what the mag means when it says, the C6 is quicker/faster in every day, real world driving situations.

If one looked at where each gear topped from a mph standpoint, you'd understand why the C6 lost both 0-60 and 1/4 mile runs. They were both at the redline of a particular gear in the case of the 911 and nowhere near the C6's redline. Typical as always!

Even on the track, in the case of one mag, the 911S was faster, but only by a fraction of a second. I think the other mag. had the C6 as faster. So it depends on how many straights the track has so the C6 puts all that power on the ground.

There was not a big difference with the breaking performance, but even there, the 911S won.

Although if this were a comparo between the C6 and the 911 (not the "S"), the C6 would have smoked it from every performance angle, I have to admit, I was disappointed to see the Chevy again, lose that way. It's the typical, "I got the power, but cant show it" type of story that has been going on for ever now when comparing the German icon to the American icon. When will Chevy just put a stop to EVERY loophole that German engineers use so that one day you will see all mags say this: The 911 is a DOG compared to the Vette, from any performance angle. NO matter how you cut it, the Vette is faster and quicker. It stops better, it turns faster AND IT'S 50 GRAND CHEAPER!

 

Also the mags mentioned that the C6 is BY FAR easier to drive both in traffic on the highway, as well as, on the track. The 911S is twitchier than the 996 911 they wrote in surprise.

R&T measures who the winner is by giving points on every aspect of measuer to the cars as you know. In this case, the C6 won, but only because of the fact that it's $35K less expensive. Before that measure, the 911S won (but not by very much).

 

Car and Driver had the C6 faster in every acceleration test. They gave the nod to the C6 by only 1 point. They did say that the price of the 911 is what killed it from winning. A $20k price difference for nearly the same level of performance is crazy.

 

Poor driving skills, simple as that. The 911 S should be half a second slower down the 1/4.

 

I just love the new 911, faster or slower......so hot

 

At first, I thought the C6 was hella hot but it's pretty bland looking now. Of course, that may well be because I've seen too many damn shots of it... but still. I say the 911 looks better, and I'd still never buy it.

 

In C&D the C6 had significantly better perforamance figures. R&T didn't launch the car very well as indicated by the high trap speeds yet slow 0-60 and 1/4 mile figures

 

The 911 is actually longer than the C6 this year

 

Was that the 911 or the 911S?

 

I know. C&D tested the C6 initially as 4.3 secs for the 60.

 

ill take a porsche

 

They got 4.1 0-60 in the C6 vs. 911 story in C&D

 

i'll take corvette and a nice SUV over porsche

corvette just need to fix their interior then it would be the best car, pound for pound.

 

The C6 got 4.1? That sounds way quick.

What did the 911S get? Was it an S or was it the base 911?

 

the november car and driver -
911S - 0-60 4.1
1/4 = 12.6@112

 

gotta love the vette smashing on other cars bang for buck wise.

 

the 911 is technically a 4 seater too, while the corvette is a 2 seater.

Sure the 911's back seat are made for 10 y/o's, but it does have a back seat. Hmm.. I wonder if the 911 still has a folddown seat back, so the back seat can be used as a parcel tray. I really like having a back seat (or I might be driving a 350Z instead of my CLS).

The C6 is definitely the better bang for the buck...

 

Holy shit! These numbers are way too quick and fast to believe. Something's wacky here.

 

And with a significantly shorter wheelbase! Hence the choppy ride.

 

Vette>*

 

see it for yourself -
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1

 

Vettes have been like this since the first 6-speed was introduced in '89. 6th gear is an overdrive gear, designed to maximize fuel efficiency. Top speed is attained in 5th gear.. Vipers are also like this, along with some other 6-speed cars...

 

yeah I don't know about C&D's numbers for the 911S... they just don't add up.... its running almost as fast as the 996 Turbo which has 415hp...

 

Just a FYI:

The Car and Driver article is a 911 Carrera vs. C6 Z51 ... Not a 911S

 

ok - that's even harder to fathom, then...

 

Right, but my point was that the 911 does not have an overdrive gear.

 

Wow! The lesson here is: "that's what gearing does for ya!"

From the C&D article above:

 

Even with this aggressive gearing though, it's still a surprise to see a lighter C6 with 50more HP be slower at 60 and the 1/4 mile.

 

The 4.1 sec 0-60 from 03CLsPunisher's statement above comes from a full C&D test about the Carrera S ONLY! Not the comparo of the 911 against the C6Z51. Two different C&D articles.

So I am now wondering, does anyone know how fast was the Carrera in the comparo article?

 

See above.

 

thats weird, i have seen z51's running high 12's at the track already. Maybe it was a regular c6.

 

If the Vette had a more agressive gear in it, the car would be slower to 60. The car as it is has traction problems and a gear change would make it worse. Wider, non run-flat tires would be the first mod I would do to the C6. The Vette is the faster car by a bit, it's just harder to drive.

 

sounded like you were amazed that the C6 hits top speed in 5th, not 6th...

 

12.8 @ 109... the numbers are on page 5:

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=8774

easier to believe now, but still seems like the 911 has a little more than 321hp...

and, I guess I expect car magazines such as C&D to have top-notch proofreading.. look at the picture they have for this comparison at this front page...

http://www.caranddriver.com/default....ion_id=15&uc=1

Incidentally this test was conducted at Gingerman Raceway in Michigan.

 

I read the article today at a newstand at the airport.

I dont know how C&D got those numbers. I mean it's amazing for both cars. 4.1 to 60 for the C6?! What's the Z06 gonna do? 3.1? Ditto for the 4.3 for the (base) 911 car. I dont understand.

 

Almost Supercars - - BY LARRY WEBSTER - - Source: Car and Driver December 2004

 

damn even the base vette kicks ass, cant wait for the z06

 

Did you see the dyno plots of the LS2 compared to the LS6?? The LS6 has a better torque curve from the beginning to the end. Although the peak numbers are similar the total area is not. That explains quite a bit and just raises the anticipation of the new Z06!!