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phile 11-18-2003 06:48 PM


Originally posted by domn
Have you seen the interior on the new GTO?. If the Vettes interior is 75% as nice this car is a huge winner.
It looks a lot better than typical GM, even the center stack is clean and uncluttered. Window switches are on the center console, which I dislike. I also think the faux metal aluminum trim running full length is more cohesive than the Acura TL's aluminum trim abruptly stopping halfway up the dash.



http://www.thecarconnection.com/imag...7492_image.jpg

mark_12345 11-19-2003 03:27 PM

05+ Corvette Caught...
 
Perhaps repost...

From the side, the new Vette looks awesome. It appears that overall, it is shorter (especially the front) and wider then its predecessor ..

[http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=6620]

need4spd_RENAMED 11-19-2003 04:18 PM

Leave it to the Assuie's, no Delco radio there either, Blaupunk instead (all the car mags have the GTO review in it this month).

Too bad the GTO looks like a grand am:'( Next year they are supposed to change the looks already! So much for a 3-4 year tooling cycle!

The Holden looks much better IMO.

The vette is outstanding!

1SICKLEX 11-19-2003 04:26 PM

Looks like the old one to me. WHich is a good thing.

TSX Cman 11-20-2003 02:26 AM

corvettes are the sh*t.
my mom has a 2004 black on black convertable vette and it is a top quality machine. the design and feel of it in general is amazing, you can hit corners at higher speeds than any ricer could dream of.
im liking the look of the new vette, i beleive that we are selling our 04 one right now and will probably upgrade when the new ones out.

Duntov7 11-20-2003 11:54 AM

Concerning the C6 spy pix....apparently these were taken at prep for a GM ad/commercial photoshoot....a fluke indeed. To my eyes, if the pix are truly legit (appears so) I'm delighted.

I've had a C6 on order for 18 months, and these photo 'looks' suit me fine. If it has the rumoured 6 litre LS6 Z06-based block, at 400+ HP, then were away to the races. Those cross-drilled rotors are ominous....likely with the RPO Z51 option package.

Major differences of the C6 vs C5 (I've had 2 C5s, including my present Z06), are the exposed projector headlights (I hope they look as good as the new NSX), some new swoopy fender lines like the C3 (coke bottle), 4 round tail lights (great), 18" front and 19" rear wheels/tires blacked-out rear fascia surrounding the 4 exhaust tips, completely new front end....etc., etc.

Looks super to me.....
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Mac
'02 Acura 3.2 CL Type S
'01 Corvette Z06

gavriil 11-20-2003 05:45 PM

http://www.autoweek.com/weekart/2003...te400_side.jpg

Autoweek reports that the engines will be an uptuned version of the current 5.7 liter LS6 bumped to 425HP and a 500+HP V8 of unknown displacement.

Read first post to this thread for engine info from other sources.

http://www.autoweek.com/weekart/2003...te400_rear.jpg

T.A. 11-21-2003 04:26 PM


Originally posted by ClutchPerformer
That looks REALLY good.

But don't those look like the RSX wheels? :chuckle:

Yea, except about twice as wide:P

ClutchPerformer 11-21-2003 07:13 PM


Originally posted by T.A.
Yea, except about twice as wide:P
I would hope so. Corvettes deserve more than 205's....;)

Nicky Pass 11-23-2003 05:52 PM

This fuckin car is coming together AWESOME!!!!!!

darrinb 11-25-2003 06:15 PM

cant wait for the z06

chungkopi 11-25-2003 10:44 PM

looks too similar.. i still like it though..

01pdgcls 11-26-2003 07:17 AM

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/...rvette.583.jpg

November 25, 2003
AROUND THE BEND
The Sixth Generation Corvette
By THE NEW YORK TIMES

The 2005 Chevrolet Corvette is to be unvelied at the 2004 Detroit auto show in January. However, a keen spy photographer caught a glimpse of the much-anticipated 6th generation sports car.

Since the current model already offers powerful V-8 performance at a competitive price, the changes in store for 2005 are likely to be refinements rather than a complete overhaul.

The C6 will share its chasis with the Cadillac XLR and will probably be priced close to the current model, which starts at $44,000.

gavriil 11-26-2003 09:07 AM


Originally posted by chungkopi
looks too similar..
I agree.

Nicky Pass 11-26-2003 10:56 AM

I like the head lights....no more filp-ups!!!!

gavriil 11-26-2003 12:21 PM


Originally posted by Nicky Pass
I like the head lights....no more filp-ups!!!!
And to think that this is mostly done due to pedestrian safety laws in Europe, you'd think I am crazy to say that... :)

gavriil 12-01-2003 06:19 PM

http://www.motortrend.com/motor/toc/...1_cover_pl.jpg

Crazy Bimmer 12-01-2003 07:05 PM

looks like a NSX in that mag cover

gdubb 12-01-2003 11:41 PM


Originally posted by Crazy Sellout
looks like a NSX in that mag cover
yeper, get the same vibe myself

Gilgamesh 12-02-2003 03:08 PM

But that is just what they think it will look like...if you read the article, they mention that next month (Feb) they will have real pics, of the complete car, totally unveiled.

gavriil 12-06-2003 06:22 PM

Re: C6 Z06 would have received a new 6.0 liter V8? NOT!
 

Originally posted by gavriil
It's even better than that according to MotorTrend.

It will be a 6.3! liter V8. Even more interestingly, it will incorporate a 3 valve per cylinder design. And still OHV/pushrod design of course.

The more amazing part in the story is that it will turn safely all the way to 7000 rpm and although out-of-the-box, fuel cutoff will be soon after that, this engine is certified for 8000 rpm runs with no problem! The engine will make 500 HP at 7K and this figure might be revised by next year (I am guessing upwards).

What's amazing here folks is that GM managed to have their cake and eat it too. Here is why:

In general, we have 2 schools of thought when it comes to engine design. The ones that make good power by reving higher and keeping displacement low (usually DOHC designs) and the ones that keep revs lower and displacement high to also make good power. And we all know about the torue curve differences.

To make a 6.3 liter engine that uses pushrods to rev to 7K rpm reliably, I believe, is impressive. Because I am guessing the advantages of the OHV design will be maintained with this engine. Things like low end grunt, low gas consumption and very high reliability. Oh and dont forget the most important of all. LOW COST.

We know we got the Displacement On Demand functionality incorporated with this 4th Generation small-black GM engine.

So what was missing was high revs. And now we got that too. Comparing the Italian school (hint: Ferrari), where high revs is the name of the game for high HP results (although displacement has been reaching USAmerican levels lately), I believe, GM wins.

Why? Because, the OHV design is so much cheaper, moderately more reliable, uses a lot less gas and makes so much more low end and mid range torque, you cant but call it a winner.

Final note: 6.3 liters from 8 cylinders = 787.5 cc per cylinder. Max power at 7000 rpm.

Comparing that to the 3.6 liters from the Modena = 450 cc per cylinder. Max power at 8500 rpm

Murcielago's V12 at 6.2 liters = 516cc (although comparing a V12 is not a fair comparison - works totally differently - though inertia is inertia). Max power at 7500 rpm.

Many more examples...

Bottom line, it's harder to make large parts move at high speeds and it's even harder to make an OHV design operate at high speeds.

MotorTrend reports 6.0 liters for the base car and 400HP and 6.6 liters for the Z06 with more than 500HP. Z06 might take 2 years to introduce.

gdubb 12-06-2003 10:00 PM

Re: Re: C6 Z06 would have received a new 6.0 liter V8? NOT!
 

Originally posted by gavriil
MotorTrend reports 6.0 liters for the base car and 400HP and 6.6 liters for the Z06 with more than 500HP. Z06 might take 2 years to introduce.


:boink: :wish: :clap: :patriot:

Gilgamesh 12-06-2003 10:38 PM

Re: Re: Re: C6 Z06 would have received a new 6.0 liter V8? NOT!
 

Originally posted by gdubb
:boink: :wish: :clap: :patriot:
You forgot :bigclap: For 50k how can you not like those numbers? I reeeealy hope they make good on the promise of an improved interior.

NOLACLS 12-09-2003 09:53 AM

Vid of the C6 running around in Germany.
http://bilder.autobild.de/video/ChevroletCorvette_l.avi

gavriil 12-16-2003 09:56 PM


Originally posted by NOLACLS
Vid of the C6 running around in Germany.
http://bilder.autobild.de/video/ChevroletCorvette_l.avi

Very nice find. The engine sounds great.

gavriil 12-17-2003 09:44 PM

RPO List:

AAB Memory Package
AG2 Seat adjuster, power, front passenger 6-way
AJ7 Air bags, frontal and side impact, driver and front passenger
AK5 Air bags, dual-stage, frontal
AQ9 Seats, front Sport bucket
AR9 Seats, front bucket
C2L Roof Package
CC3 Roof panel, removable
CF7 Roof panel, removable, 1-piece, body-color
CJ2 Air conditioning, dual-zone, automatic
CM7 Convertible top, power folding
D42 Luggage shade
DD0 Mirrors, inside rearview with compass and driver outside rearview
DL8 Mirrors, outside rearview, power, heated, body-color
F55 Magnetic Selective Ride Control
FE1 Suspension, 4-wheel independent
FE9 Emissions, Federal requirements
G90 Axle, 3.15 performance ratio
GU2 Axle, 2.73 ratio
GU6 Axle, 3.42 ratio
K11 Air filtration, includes pollen filter
KA1 Seats, heated
LS2 Engine, 6.0L LS2 V8 SFI
MN6 Transmission, 6-speed manual
MX0 Transmission, 4-speed automatic
N37 Steering col, power telescopic
NB8 Emissions override, California, Massachusetts, New York or Vermont
NC7 Emissions override, Federal
NE1 Emissions, Maine, Massachusetts, New York or Vermont state requirements
NK4 Steering wheel, leather-wrapped
QG6 Wheels, 5-spoke aluminum
QG7 Wheels, polished
R8C Corvette Museum Delivery
U2K Sound system feature, XM Satellite Radio
U3U Sound system with Navigation, ETR AM/FM stereo with CD player and MP3 playback
U52 Instrumentation, analog
UE1 OnStar
UG1 Homelink transmitter,
US8 Sound system, ETR AM/FM stereo with CD player and MP3 playback
US9 Sound system, ETR AM/FM stereo with 6-disc
UV6 Head-Up Display
VK3 License plate bracket, front
YF5 Emissions, California state requirements
Z51 Performance Handling Package

Trim Levels
Coupe -1YY07
"Base" 1SX
1SA
1SB

Convertible-1YY67
1SA
1SB

SOME DETAILS

Engine, 6.0L LS2 V8 SFI

Are there any transmission options? - Just Manual or Automatic
Is the manual transmission a Tremec T-56? YES
Is the base AT a 4L65-E?-YES

Axle, 2.73 ratio, limited slip
1 - Standard with (MX0) Transmission, 4-speed automatic.

Axle, 3.15 performance ratio
1 - Only available with (MX0) Transmission, 4-speed automatic.

Axle, 3.42 ratio, limited slip
1 - Standard with (MN6) Transmission, 6-speed manual.

Tires, front P245/40ZR18, extended mobility, Eagle F1
Tires, rear P285/35ZR19, extended mobility, Eagle F1

Wheels, 5-spoke aluminum, 18" x 8.5" (45.7 cm x 21.6 cm), front and 19" x 10.0" (48.3 cm x 25.4 cm), rear

Wheels, polished, 5-spoke aluminum, 18" x 8.5" (45.7 cm x 21.6 cm), front and 19" x 10.0" (48.3 cm x 25.4 cm), rear

Performance Handling Package, performance-oriented package for the Gymkhana/Autocross enthusiast, includes power steering, engine oil and transmission coolers, stiffer springs and stabilizer bars, specific shock absorbers, larger brakes with cross-drilled rotors, specific tires and performance gearing, Z51-specific, 6-speed manual transmission or performance axle ratio with automatic transmission

Active Handling?? -- YES, standard
Is there a next-Gen Active handling being used? - Just says Active Handling
Magnetic Ride? Option, not standard

CM7 Convertible top, power folding, includes glass rear window with integral defogger

Convertible top, manual folding, includes glass rear window with integral defogger

Roof Package, includes (CF7) Roof panel, 1-piece, body-color and (CC3) Roof panel, 1-piece, transparent

Front plate bracket - YES

Headlamps, bi-functional high-intensity discharge, includes automatic exterior lamp control

Keyless Access, with push-button start, includes 2 remote transmitters which enable automatic door unlock and open by touching door switch
Power Tilt and Telescopic steering wheel?? Power Telescope

Sound system with Navigation, ETR AM/FM stereo with CD player and MP3 playback, (U65) Sound system feature, Bose premium 7-speaker system, DVD navigation with GPS, 6.5" LCD color display touch screen, voice recognition, includes Radio Data System, seek-and-scan, digital clock, auto-tone control, automatic volume and TheftLock

CD Changer?? - YES, 6 disk in dash option
OnStar? - YES
XM Radio? - YES

Compass? - would be in the Navigation system...

Homelink Garage Door Opener?? YES

Head-Up Display, includes dot-matrix readouts for street mode, track mode with g-meter, vehicle speed, engine rpm, and readings from key gauges including water temperature, oil pressure and fuel levels

Seats, heated, driver and passenger

Sport seats - an option
Is there a cloth seat option or are they all going to be leather?- Leather

Console, floor, lockable, includes 2 covered cupholders, ashtray with cigar lighter, auxiliary power outlet and CD storage

Memory? - memory everything is just a given..

Air bags, frontal and side impact, driver and front passenger (standard on everything but the super base coupe - or - I believe that on the 'vert both front and sides are standard, but on the coupe the side ones are optional.)

Cargo area shade - YES

Alarm System?? - Same old GM one

From what I can see, it seems like there is an equipment level on the coupe called 1SX. You can't order many options on that equipment level at all, and it's just labeled as "base". I'm assuming its a low cost, no frills car??

10U Arctic White
19U LeMans Blue Metallic1(premium extra cost color)
27U Precision Red
41U Black
67U Machine Silver Metallic
71U Daytona Sunset Orange Metallic
79U Millennium Yellow (Extra cost color)
86U Magnetic Red Metallic II

Interior colors
- Ebony
- Cobalt Red
- Steel Gray
- Cashmere


Speakers in the seats - Not sure, although I suspect they are
Bluetooth capability? - DON'T KNOW

Are there any engine options?-NO
Is the rear hatch polycarbonate? - NO
Is there a magnesium wheel option? - NO
Is the hood carbon fiber - even as an option? - NO
Is the exhaust made of titanium? - NO
Radio controls on steering wheel? - NO
Paddle shift? - NO
Adaptive Cruise Control?? - NO
Nightvision?? - NO
Rain Sensing Windshield Wipers??- Doesn't seem like it
Cassette player? - Doesn't look like there is
Body Side Moldings are DEAD
Nothing on frame material..
Sorry, no more Torch Red
Sorry, no purple

Source: http://palmeter.com/CorvetteTimelineW11P06a.htm
from corvettforum.com member Zane Merva

gavriil 12-17-2003 09:47 PM

http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c5/socalc5//cover.jpg

http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c5/socalc5//MT_C6_12.jpg

http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c5/socalc5//MT_C6_34.jpg

gavriil 12-17-2003 10:51 PM

Re: Re: C6 Z06 would have received a new 6.0 liter V8? NOT!
 

Originally posted by gavriil
MotorTrend reports 6.0 liters for the base car and 400HP and 6.6 liters for the Z06 with more than 500HP. Z06 might take 2 years to introduce.
Autoweek is not reporting the engine will be 7.0 liters large to achieve the 500HP mark. Oh boy...

gavriil 12-17-2003 10:54 PM

Corvette: ZR1 news **Police car version (Page 11)**
 
What the Devil's going on? Corvette team said to be working on Ford GT fighter

By BOB GRITZINGER


THE 2005 C6 CORVETTE hasn’t even been officially introduced, but the Corvette development team is already hard at work on future, high-performance variants, including a wild 600-plus horsepower Ford GT-fighter known internally as “Blue Devil.”

While chief engineer Dave Hill has publicly announced the Z06 version of the next-gen Vette due in 2005 will have 500 hp, his engine team wasn’t sure until recently that they could actually achieve that impressive figure. Sources now say that it will be a case of “nothing beats cubic inches” with 95 extra horses (compared to today’s 405-hp Z06) coming as a result of boring and stroking the next-gen Chevy small-block V8 to 427 cubic inches—7.0 liters. Not since the late-1960s has that magic number of cubes been under a Corvette’s composite hood (though there were some 454s along the way).

More important, Chevy is clearly investigating an ultra-performance Corvette designed to do battle with—and conquer—the mid-engined GT from rival Ford, as well as many supercars from across the pond. Called Blue Devil (no one knows why it has that name—could it be Chevy hopes to bedevil Ford’s blue oval?), unofficial stats make the name seem appropriate. Reportedly producing 625 hp, Blue Devil’s initial power will come from a supercharged 427 engine—and it will use lightweight carbon fiber for key body parts, reducing weight by several hundred pounds to drop the super C6 to about 2900 pounds.

The price indicated on the internal documents is $100,000 for Blue Devil, if and when it actually makes production in 2006—at the earliest. We wonder whether the Devil’s chances of seeing light are further improved following product czar Bob Lutz’s comments that he’d like to see a Chevy-badged car like the 2002 Cadillac Cien concept.

General Motors officials aren’t connecting the dots and saying this is a “go,” but the high-performance heart of Blue Devil is the kind of specialized, high-content engine project envisioned for the General’s new Performance Build Center set to open shop next year in Wixom, Michigan. The center is intended to attack projects with “a sort of race team mentality,” says Ed Koerner, vice president of GM Powertrain engineering operations.

Patterned after low-volume race shops, the center could build up to 10,000 powerplants per year for very specific, high-end, high-performance GM vehicles. Koerner says engines from the shop should appear in showroom vehicles by 2005.

Source: Autoweek

gavriil 12-17-2003 10:54 PM

Boy oh boy, it will be all out war. Lutz will eat them all alive... :)

gavriil 12-17-2003 10:56 PM

So you got the base Vette with 400HP for $45K, the Z06 Vette with 500HP and $55K and the Ultimate Vette with 625HP and lighter by 250-300 pounds for $100K. Hmm...

gavriil 12-17-2003 10:59 PM

Supercharging a 7 liter engine and getting only 625HP means that you have at least 600+ lb-ft of torque. That thing will be one of the torque leaders in any class I suspect. If we ever see that is...

gavriil 12-17-2003 11:08 PM

"but the high-performance heart of Blue Devil is the kind of specialized, high-content engine project envisioned for the General’s new Performance Build Center set to open shop next year in Wixom, Michigan. The center is intended to attack projects with “a sort of race team mentality,” says Ed Koerner, vice president of GM Powertrain engineering operations.

Patterned after low-volume race shops, the center could build up to 10,000 powerplants per year for very specific, high-end, high-performance GM vehicles. Koerner says engines from the shop should appear in showroom vehicles by 2005."

----------------------

See those are the things that will result in really nice offerings from USA automakers. That's partially the reason why we wont see SVT products for 1.5 years. They are kicking it up "a" notch and for that they need time and a big re-org.

mattg 12-17-2003 11:33 PM

supercharged 427. :drool:


this thing will be sick.

chungkopi 12-18-2003 04:50 AM

AMERICAN MUSCLE WAR!!!!

cusdaddy 12-18-2003 07:01 AM

Damn... That would be one sick car. I hope they release it!

Red-CL 12-18-2003 07:18 AM


Originally posted by chungkopi
AMERICAN MUSCLE WAR!!!!
:werd:

Nashua_Night_Hawk 12-18-2003 08:12 AM

I will buy the next Z06 loaded, just I need to go back to 1999!

Black CL-S 4-Life 12-18-2003 11:30 AM

Can't wait to see the spy shots.

80's Boy 12-18-2003 01:29 PM

Lets just hope that they are spending a few more bucks on the interior. I hate sitting down in the current C5 and feeling like most of the switches came straight out of a Crapalier.


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