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10-05-2005, 06:39 PM
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^^ nice!!!
10-05-2005, 07:02 PM
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I don't want to believe the Z06 is quicker - given the numbers, I think if they were given more time at the wheel, they could have run quicker. Unless they hired some pro drivers for this event, these are mag testers - they are not F1 drivers. Will have to see for sure in the actual article, how they did it. Regardless, having spent limited time in the cars, it would not be surprising that their numbers would vary between laps, given their inexperience with the cars. I have no doubt that after spending considerable seat time with the cars they could get their times more consistent. But from the albeit limited knowledge we have of this test so far, I don't think its far-fetched to say they could have run better times in all of the cars.
I like the Z06 but if I thought the GT was faster, GIVEN the facts in this test, I won't have any reason to kiss its ass. Going by the numbers in THIS test, the Z06 accelerated faster, braked better, and handled better than the GT - and yes this should have translated into quicker lap times. That's what I'm going by.
I was saying the Z06 would be easier to drive as a whole - on the street and at the track. What you mentioned about MR layout having a tendency to whip out with relative ease was one of my main reasonings. The GT may be "easier" to drive quickly at the hands of Fernando Alonso, but I was talking about more "real world" racing scenarios, such as taking a personal car to Gingerman.
Agree about driving aids being turned off at the track, I was talking about ease of driving on the street when I mentioned that.
Ultimately though, it's hard to make statements like these without actually driving the cars for yourself.
Personal preference and driving style are just 2 things that come into play when making these kinds of comparisons.
I like the Z06 but if I thought the GT was faster, GIVEN the facts in this test, I won't have any reason to kiss its ass. Going by the numbers in THIS test, the Z06 accelerated faster, braked better, and handled better than the GT - and yes this should have translated into quicker lap times. That's what I'm going by.
I was saying the Z06 would be easier to drive as a whole - on the street and at the track. What you mentioned about MR layout having a tendency to whip out with relative ease was one of my main reasonings. The GT may be "easier" to drive quickly at the hands of Fernando Alonso, but I was talking about more "real world" racing scenarios, such as taking a personal car to Gingerman.
Agree about driving aids being turned off at the track, I was talking about ease of driving on the street when I mentioned that.
Ultimately though, it's hard to make statements like these without actually driving the cars for yourself.
Personal preference and driving style are just 2 things that come into play when making these kinds of comparisons.
10-05-2005, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
I don't want to believe the Z06 is quicker - given the numbers, I think if they were given more time at the wheel, they could have run quicker. Unless they hired some pro drivers for this event, these are mag testers - they are not F1 drivers. Will have to see for sure in the actual article, how they did it. Regardless, having spent limited time in the cars, it would not be surprising that their numbers would vary between laps, given their inexperience with the cars. I have no doubt that after spending considerable seat time with the cars they could get their times more consistent. But from the albeit limited knowledge we have of this test so far, I don't think its far-fetched to say they could have run better times in all of the cars.
I like the Z06 but if I thought the GT was faster, GIVEN the facts in this test, I won't have any reason to kiss its ass. Going by the numbers in THIS test, the Z06 accelerated faster, braked better, and handled better than the GT - and yes this should have translated into quicker lap times. That's what I'm going by.
I was saying the Z06 would be easier to drive as a whole - on the street and at the track. What you mentioned about MR layout having a tendency to whip out with relative ease was one of my main reasonings. The GT may be "easier" to drive quickly at the hands of Fernando Alonso, but I was talking about more "real world" racing scenarios, such as taking a personal car to Gingerman.
Agree about driving aids being turned off at the track, I was talking about ease of driving on the street when I mentioned that.
Ultimately though, it's hard to make statements like these without actually driving the cars for yourself. Personal preference and driving style are just 2 things that come into play when making these kinds of comparisons.
I like the Z06 but if I thought the GT was faster, GIVEN the facts in this test, I won't have any reason to kiss its ass. Going by the numbers in THIS test, the Z06 accelerated faster, braked better, and handled better than the GT - and yes this should have translated into quicker lap times. That's what I'm going by.
I was saying the Z06 would be easier to drive as a whole - on the street and at the track. What you mentioned about MR layout having a tendency to whip out with relative ease was one of my main reasonings. The GT may be "easier" to drive quickly at the hands of Fernando Alonso, but I was talking about more "real world" racing scenarios, such as taking a personal car to Gingerman.
Agree about driving aids being turned off at the track, I was talking about ease of driving on the street when I mentioned that.
Ultimately though, it's hard to make statements like these without actually driving the cars for yourself.
Personal preference and driving style are just 2 things that come into play when making these kinds of comparisons.If you are stuck on faster acceleration (which wasn't the case here in 0-60), a one shot 70-0 braking distance (means very little on a road course) and handled better (you are apparently using only skid pad to determine this) then I can't help ya, using this criteria the E46 M3 would be faster the a 996 C2 at the track, but it ain't.
10-06-2005, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ilitig8
If you think the Z06 would be easier to drive then more practice would have resulted in greater gains in the "harder to drive" GT, no?
If you are stuck on faster acceleration (which wasn't the case here in 0-60), a one shot 70-0 braking distance (means very little on a road course) and handled better (you are apparently using only skid pad to determine this) then I can't help ya, using this criteria the E46 M3 would be faster the a 996 C2 at the track, but it ain't.
If you are stuck on faster acceleration (which wasn't the case here in 0-60), a one shot 70-0 braking distance (means very little on a road course) and handled better (you are apparently using only skid pad to determine this) then I can't help ya, using this criteria the E46 M3 would be faster the a 996 C2 at the track, but it ain't.
It's true the GT beat the Z06 to 60 by 2 tenths but I don't think that's as significant a difference as the 70-0 braking. This is not a one shot braking point we are talking about here.. we are talking about 7-8 key points over the course of one lap at a comparatively tight track. It will add up. Look at the max speed on the back straight - the GT and Z06 are basically equal. If the Z06 was ONLY better in the handling dep't, then you would have a point with the M3 vs 996 C2 comment - but it's pretty much right at the GT's level of performance, in ALL areas.
I have to admit I feel a bit silly discussing this to this extent, given the fact that a) the only info we have about the test is the stats page and b) I haven't driven either of the cars first-hand - I would ideally like to do that before spouting about how I "feel" about them... Maybe I will get to drive em someday.
Both of these cars are fantastic performers, any way you look at it. The Viper performs very well, too
10-06-2005, 09:16 AM
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download video of the 492 rwhp LG Motorsports dyno run
this thing sounds TOUGH! not like that's surprising.
this thing sounds TOUGH! not like that's surprising.
10-06-2005, 12:10 PM
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My friend's dad was at Bondurant last week and saw the new Z06 there. He is friends with Bob and a few of the instructors. All of them were amazed with the Z06. In fact, Bob ordered one for himself.
As for Gingerman, my friend I mentioned above had a bone stock Z06 with Goodyear R compounds and PF 01 pads. His lap times were quicker than every car tested in that article. I feel that the C6 Z06 can run quicker.
As for Gingerman, my friend I mentioned above had a bone stock Z06 with Goodyear R compounds and PF 01 pads. His lap times were quicker than every car tested in that article. I feel that the C6 Z06 can run quicker.
10-06-2005, 06:55 PM
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these cars are setup very similarly...
another stat page
I have the rest of the article too but I dunno if I should post the whole thing..
The GT is user-friendly but requires the most concentration to drive. Driving the Z06 hard is a "delight" but also challenging, and the Viper is the easiest to drive fast.
on the Z06:
on the GT:
It says the GT has the best turn-in of the group, due to its MR layout - but is also the most tail-heavy, and that requires more concentration because the load can transfer abruptly.
They ran "some laps in the evening" at Gingerman. I get the feeling the didn't have much testing time at all, because they got there as the sun was setting. Anyway,
another stat page
I have the rest of the article too but I dunno if I should post the whole thing..
The GT is user-friendly but requires the most concentration to drive. Driving the Z06 hard is a "delight" but also challenging, and the Viper is the easiest to drive fast.
on the Z06:
"The Corvette is just awesome. It is the lightest of our three cars by more than 300 pounds, and that shows on acceleration down the short straightaways and on braking into the tightest corners."
"You notice that this is quite a heavy car when you bury the center pedal, but otherwise you can throw it around as if it were a Mazda Miata".
They ran "some laps in the evening" at Gingerman. I get the feeling the didn't have much testing time at all, because they got there as the sun was setting. Anyway,
10-07-2005, 01:00 PM
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welll lookie lookie... Lingenfelter has a TT package listed for the Z06... for "only" $45k... so you're right at around $120k or so all things said and done for a bonafide GT-killer.
http://www.lingenfelter.com/Lingenfe...boCorvette.htm
800hp... I would guess that is at very conservative boost levels..
http://www.lingenfelter.com/Lingenfe...boCorvette.htm
800hp... I would guess that is at very conservative boost levels..
10-08-2005, 03:36 PM
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some sweet pics from the Automobile photo shoot
http://automobilemag.com/photo_galle...per/index.html
http://automobilemag.com/photo_galle...per/index.html
10-09-2005, 12:15 AM
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pic 4 on page 1 is my fav... GT in the rain.. awesome shot
10-20-2005, 11:42 PM
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the Blue Devil WILL be built. It will have 650hp and will be shown at the 2006 Detroit Auto Show
a trusted source at corvetteforum.com has revealed that the Blue Devil WILL be built, and will be shown at the Detroit Auto Show in January 2006... it will have 650hp. This is an interesting piece of news because it refutes what Dave Hill had to say about the Blue Devil... although ppl are saying that Dave Hill didn't actually say that the Blue Devil WON'T be built... he just paraphrased to say that the chances of it being built were unlikely. Then ppl say that he would not say that it would be built right before the Z06 comes out, because this would potentially hurt Z06 sales... and on and on... gotta love the rumor mill.
ps. the rumor mill also said MT had tested the Z06 at 11.5 @ 127... and they had that right... so this rumor mill does have the potential to be credible...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...6&forum_id=100
a trusted source at corvetteforum.com has revealed that the Blue Devil WILL be built, and will be shown at the Detroit Auto Show in January 2006... it will have 650hp. This is an interesting piece of news because it refutes what Dave Hill had to say about the Blue Devil... although ppl are saying that Dave Hill didn't actually say that the Blue Devil WON'T be built... he just paraphrased to say that the chances of it being built were unlikely. Then ppl say that he would not say that it would be built right before the Z06 comes out, because this would potentially hurt Z06 sales... and on and on... gotta love the rumor mill.
ps. the rumor mill also said MT had tested the Z06 at 11.5 @ 127... and they had that right... so this rumor mill does have the potential to be credible...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...6&forum_id=100
11-03-2005, 11:07 AM
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December's MT has the Z06 vs GT vs Viper Coupe Test
Numbers if I remember correctly.
0-60:
Z06 - 3.6
GT - 3.5
Viper - 4.0
1/4 mile:
Z06 - 11.6
GT - 11.5
Viper - 12.0
0-100:
Z06 - 7.8
GT - 7.7
Viper - 8.4
The Z06 had the best lap time.
Numbers if I remember correctly.
0-60:
Z06 - 3.6
GT - 3.5
Viper - 4.0
1/4 mile:
Z06 - 11.6
GT - 11.5
Viper - 12.0
0-100:
Z06 - 7.8
GT - 7.7
Viper - 8.4
The Z06 had the best lap time.
11-03-2005, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
December's MT has the Z06 vs GT vs Viper Coupe Test
Numbers if I remember correctly.
0-60:
Z06 - 3.6
GT - 3.5
Viper - 4.0
1/4 mile:
Z06 - 11.6
GT - 11.5
Viper - 12.0
0-100:
Z06 - 7.8
GT - 7.7
Viper - 8.4
The Z06 had the best lap time.
Numbers if I remember correctly.
0-60:
Z06 - 3.6
GT - 3.5
Viper - 4.0
1/4 mile:
Z06 - 11.6
GT - 11.5
Viper - 12.0
0-100:
Z06 - 7.8
GT - 7.7
Viper - 8.4
The Z06 had the best lap time.
11-03-2005, 12:15 PM
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yea.. insane value.
11-03-2005, 06:58 PM
#1019
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wow.. the weight really kills the GT... too bad.
11-04-2005, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximaPower
hmmm....does ~300lbs make that much of a difference? from what the GT dynos, it looks like it should beat the Z06 a lil bit more than just .1 sec.
11-04-2005, 05:56 PM
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I don't know what to make of the numbers posted. People have ran 11.1-2's in their GT's. They showed a 12.1 on the test!?!?!? WTF
Still they show the GT is faster around the track.
So many variables in these tests, what should happen is send Ford's best driver GM's best driver to the same track and run them.
Really all of the magazine numbers are so useless for comparion reasons. Anyone who sees a 12.0 or a 12.1 for the GT in the 1/4 mile and believes it is seriously mistaken. The fact they use that 1/4 mile time totaly removes any comfort in the other times they posted.
Best private 1/4 mile i have seen for GT stock is 11.1, best Z06 is a 11.6
But I'll wait for some mullet Z06 owner to put slicks on his Z06... lol
Still they show the GT is faster around the track.
So many variables in these tests, what should happen is send Ford's best driver GM's best driver to the same track and run them.
Really all of the magazine numbers are so useless for comparion reasons. Anyone who sees a 12.0 or a 12.1 for the GT in the 1/4 mile and believes it is seriously mistaken. The fact they use that 1/4 mile time totaly removes any comfort in the other times they posted.
Best private 1/4 mile i have seen for GT stock is 11.1, best Z06 is a 11.6
But I'll wait for some mullet Z06 owner to put slicks on his Z06... lol
11-04-2005, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
I don't know what to make of the numbers posted. People have ran 11.1-2's in their GT's. They showed a 12.1 on the test!?!?!? WTF
Still they show the GT is faster around the track.
So many variables in these tests, what should happen is send Ford's best driver GM's best driver to the same track and run them.
Really all of the magazine numbers are so useless for comparion reasons. Anyone who sees a 12.0 or a 12.1 for the GT in the 1/4 mile and believes it is seriously mistaken. The fact they use that 1/4 mile time totaly removes any comfort in the other times they posted.
Best private 1/4 mile i have seen for GT stock is 11.1, best Z06 is a 11.6
But I'll wait for some mullet Z06 owner to put slicks on his Z06... lol
Still they show the GT is faster around the track.
So many variables in these tests, what should happen is send Ford's best driver GM's best driver to the same track and run them.
Really all of the magazine numbers are so useless for comparion reasons. Anyone who sees a 12.0 or a 12.1 for the GT in the 1/4 mile and believes it is seriously mistaken. The fact they use that 1/4 mile time totaly removes any comfort in the other times they posted.
Best private 1/4 mile i have seen for GT stock is 11.1, best Z06 is a 11.6
But I'll wait for some mullet Z06 owner to put slicks on his Z06... lol
Who's reporting 12.1
I havn't seen slower than 11.7. The GT is likely faster (by a tenth or two) but considering its 85K price premium it better be. For the price the Z06 can't be beat.
11-04-2005, 06:07 PM
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[QUOTE=dom]December's MT has the Z06 vs GT vs Viper Coupe Test
Numbers if I remember correctly.
1/4 mile:
Z06 - 11.6
GT - 11.5
Viper - 12.0
[QUOTE]
What were the trap speeds?
Numbers if I remember correctly.
1/4 mile:
Z06 - 11.6
GT - 11.5
Viper - 12.0
[QUOTE]
What were the trap speeds?
11-04-2005, 06:11 PM
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[QUOTE=heyitsme][QUOTE=dom]December's MT has the Z06 vs GT vs Viper Coupe Test
Numbers if I remember correctly.
1/4 mile:
Z06 - 11.6
GT - 11.5
Viper - 12.0
What were the trap speeds?
Z06 - 126.6
Viper - 121.9
GT - 128.7
Lap times - 1.6 mile road course
Z06 - 75.4
Viper - 76.7
GT - 79.6
But it should be noted that the GT than ran the lap times NOT the acceleration numbers was 40HP down on the dyno as it was an engineering mule.
Numbers if I remember correctly.
1/4 mile:
Z06 - 11.6
GT - 11.5
Viper - 12.0
What were the trap speeds?
Z06 - 126.6
Viper - 121.9
GT - 128.7
Lap times - 1.6 mile road course
Z06 - 75.4
Viper - 76.7
GT - 79.6
But it should be noted that the GT than ran the lap times NOT the acceleration numbers was 40HP down on the dyno as it was an engineering mule.
11-04-2005, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Who's reporting 12.1
I havn't seen slower than 11.7. The GT is likely faster (by a tenth or two) but considering its 85K price premium it better be. For the price the Z06 can't be beat.
I havn't seen slower than 11.7. The GT is likely faster (by a tenth or two) but considering its 85K price premium it better be. For the price the Z06 can't be beat.
Do you guys read these threads
This link is from page 15.http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1645144a.jpg
The only comparison you can make between the Z06 and the GT is some speed/acceleration measurements. The GT completely outclasses the Z06 otherwise... The GT is still faster anyway...
With your philosophy people should have stopped buying Ferraris back in the 60's when the muscle cars came out. Same thing back then...
11-07-2005, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
Do you guys read these threads This link is from page 15.
http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1645144a.jpg
The only comparison you can make between the Z06 and the GT is some speed/acceleration measurements. The GT completely outclasses the Z06 otherwise... The GT is still faster anyway...
With your philosophy people should have stopped buying Ferraris back in the 60's when the muscle cars came out. Same thing back then...
This link is from page 15.http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1645144a.jpg
The only comparison you can make between the Z06 and the GT is some speed/acceleration measurements. The GT completely outclasses the Z06 otherwise... The GT is still faster anyway...
With your philosophy people should have stopped buying Ferraris back in the 60's when the muscle cars came out. Same thing back then...
I forgot about those times. But those are the only "slow" numbers we've seen. Every other test has shown 11.5-11.7. Again, how does it completely outclass the Z06? I'm not saying it doesn't since I've never driven either nor will I ever but all the reviews we've seen so far mention nothing about the GT outclassing the Z06. And I'm not suggesting anything about buying a Z06 over a GT. My point is the Z06 is simply the best bang for for buck on the planet, by a mile.
11-07-2005, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
Do you guys read these threads This link is from page 15.
http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1645144a.jpg
The only comparison you can make between the Z06 and the GT is some speed/acceleration measurements. The GT completely outclasses the Z06 otherwise... The GT is still faster anyway...
With your philosophy people should have stopped buying Ferraris back in the 60's when the muscle cars came out. Same thing back then...
This link is from page 15.http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1645144a.jpg
The only comparison you can make between the Z06 and the GT is some speed/acceleration measurements. The GT completely outclasses the Z06 otherwise... The GT is still faster anyway...
With your philosophy people should have stopped buying Ferraris back in the 60's when the muscle cars came out. Same thing back then...
11-07-2005, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
The GT completely outclasses the Z06 otherwise... The GT is still faster anyway...
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depending on the driver is who wins the race. and the car is over double the price of the vette. how does it completly outclass the vette? 
id rather have teh vette
11-07-2005, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
Do you guys read these threads This link is from page 15.
http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1645144a.jpg
The only comparison you can make between the Z06 and the GT is some speed/acceleration measurements. The GT completely outclasses the Z06 otherwise... The GT is still faster anyway...
With your philosophy people should have stopped buying Ferraris back in the 60's when the muscle cars came out. Same thing back then...
This link is from page 15.http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1645144a.jpg
The only comparison you can make between the Z06 and the GT is some speed/acceleration measurements. The GT completely outclasses the Z06 otherwise... The GT is still faster anyway...
With your philosophy people should have stopped buying Ferraris back in the 60's when the muscle cars came out. Same thing back then...
11-07-2005, 10:32 AM
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Overall, the GT is quicker/faster but not by much. The Z06 is right on his ass on most test and it's something to be proud of for the Z06 enthusiasts.
MotorTrend dynoed them two and the Viper, on they flywheel, the Z06 makes around 530, the Viper about the same and the GT made 600 at the minimum. When you factor in the weight difference, the tests make sense.
MotorTrend dynoed them two and the Viper, on they flywheel, the Z06 makes around 530, the Viper about the same and the GT made 600 at the minimum. When you factor in the weight difference, the tests make sense.
11-07-2005, 12:54 PM
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it's all #'s #'s #'s #'s to you guys. (b.t.w. outclass doesn't mean outperform, try www.dictionary.com)
Why buy the car when you can get a faster crotch rocket? It'd be 1/8 the cost and get better fuel economy...
The GT is made with better materials & better craftsmanship. That's how it outclasses it. Same with Ferrari, Aston Martin, TVR ... I've been in a few new C6's they still dont have a nice interior. While better than the C5 it's nothing to brag about. Z06 and the C6 have standard GM parts bin plastics, controls...
Sure the Z06 is right there in sheer handling/speed. I'm not arguing that. It's a fantasic car for the $$, no argument there.
With all of the #'s #'s #'s people in this thread Ferrari should have never sold another car in the US after the older 60's muscle car era. US made cars that completely walked over Ferrari back then. (Mustang GT350R for example)
There's a lot more to cars than just #'s. If there wasn't, people wouldn't spend 4x as much to get a ferrari or aston martin, Ford GT, TVR.... That's how it's outclassed. Once again the GT is still faster anyway, so is the Enzo Ferrari... Keep in mind it takes a LOT more power to go faster at the levels these cars are at. Adding another 50hp doesn't do as much once your in the 11's.
Why buy the car when you can get a faster crotch rocket? It'd be 1/8 the cost and get better fuel economy...
The GT is made with better materials & better craftsmanship. That's how it outclasses it. Same with Ferrari, Aston Martin, TVR ... I've been in a few new C6's they still dont have a nice interior. While better than the C5 it's nothing to brag about. Z06 and the C6 have standard GM parts bin plastics, controls...
Sure the Z06 is right there in sheer handling/speed. I'm not arguing that. It's a fantasic car for the $$, no argument there.
With all of the #'s #'s #'s people in this thread Ferrari should have never sold another car in the US after the older 60's muscle car era. US made cars that completely walked over Ferrari back then. (Mustang GT350R for example)
There's a lot more to cars than just #'s. If there wasn't, people wouldn't spend 4x as much to get a ferrari or aston martin, Ford GT, TVR.... That's how it's outclassed. Once again the GT is still faster anyway, so is the Enzo Ferrari... Keep in mind it takes a LOT more power to go faster at the levels these cars are at. Adding another 50hp doesn't do as much once your in the 11's.
11-07-2005, 01:32 PM
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The car is double the price of the Z06....it SHOULD have better quality materials than the Corvette.
But if that is the argument, then the Ford GT sucks because the Enzo and McLaren F1 completely outclass it.
11-07-2005, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
it's all #'s #'s #'s #'s to you guys. (b.t.w. outclass doesn't mean outperform, try www.dictionary.com)
Why buy the car when you can get a faster crotch rocket? It'd be 1/8 the cost and get better fuel economy...
The GT is made with better materials & better craftsmanship. That's how it outclasses it. Same with Ferrari, Aston Martin, TVR ... I've been in a few new C6's they still dont have a nice interior. While better than the C5 it's nothing to brag about. Z06 and the C6 have standard GM parts bin plastics, controls...
Sure the Z06 is right there in sheer handling/speed. I'm not arguing that. It's a fantasic car for the $$, no argument there.
With all of the #'s #'s #'s people in this thread Ferrari should have never sold another car in the US after the older 60's muscle car era. US made cars that completely walked over Ferrari back then. (Mustang GT350R for example)
There's a lot more to cars than just #'s. If there wasn't, people wouldn't spend 4x as much to get a ferrari or aston martin, Ford GT, TVR.... That's how it's outclassed. Once again the GT is still faster anyway, so is the Enzo Ferrari... Keep in mind it takes a LOT more power to go faster at the levels these cars are at. Adding another 50hp doesn't do as much once your in the 11's.
Why buy the car when you can get a faster crotch rocket? It'd be 1/8 the cost and get better fuel economy...
The GT is made with better materials & better craftsmanship. That's how it outclasses it. Same with Ferrari, Aston Martin, TVR ... I've been in a few new C6's they still dont have a nice interior. While better than the C5 it's nothing to brag about. Z06 and the C6 have standard GM parts bin plastics, controls...
Sure the Z06 is right there in sheer handling/speed. I'm not arguing that. It's a fantasic car for the $$, no argument there.
With all of the #'s #'s #'s people in this thread Ferrari should have never sold another car in the US after the older 60's muscle car era. US made cars that completely walked over Ferrari back then. (Mustang GT350R for example)
There's a lot more to cars than just #'s. If there wasn't, people wouldn't spend 4x as much to get a ferrari or aston martin, Ford GT, TVR.... That's how it's outclassed. Once again the GT is still faster anyway, so is the Enzo Ferrari... Keep in mind it takes a LOT more power to go faster at the levels these cars are at. Adding another 50hp doesn't do as much once your in the 11's.
11-07-2005, 03:09 PM
#1037
Senior Moderator
I think I know what Siggy is talking about... let me put it this way - with price out of the picture, I would take the GT over the Z06 in a heartbeat. The GT is an exotic. Yeah, I think it's exotic factor we are talking about here.. the Z06 doesn't have it.
BUT... I'd have to do something about the brakes...
https://acurazine.com/forums/automotive-news-6/mt-mag-comparo-z06-vs-viper-vs-ford-gt-323809/
also give it some more boost so I could smoke Z06's
BUT... I'd have to do something about the brakes...
https://acurazine.com/forums/automotive-news-6/mt-mag-comparo-z06-vs-viper-vs-ford-gt-323809/
also give it some more boost so I could smoke Z06's
11-07-2005, 03:30 PM
#1038
Moderator Alumnus
Originally Posted by cob3683
The car is double the price of the Z06....it SHOULD have better quality materials than the Corvette.
But if that is the argument, then the Ford GT sucks because the Enzo and McLaren F1 completely outclass it.
Both the Enzo and the McLaren F1 are in a totally different price range. So yes they do. You could buy 3-4 GT's for the price of either of those.
No one said anything sucks, stop being a pretentious little brat. And NO the Ford GT is far from sucking.
Time to swallow your pride and read this "THE CORVETTE IS NOT AN EXOTIC" it probably never will be. So it will never be in the same class.
Grow up kiddo.
11-07-2005, 03:32 PM
#1039
Moderator Alumnus
Originally Posted by Maximized
Your talking numbers as well. I have seen the Viper SRT10, C6 Z06, and Ford GT on the track. In fact, last weekend all of those said cars were dueling at my local road course while I was there. The only thing that the Ford GT outclasses the Z06 in is price, simple as that. I was up close and personal with all the cars and they are very similar.
really what numbers was i talking about?
Your HIGH ON CRACK if you think the Corvette interior or body panels holds a candle to the craftmanship on the Ford GT, Enzo, TVR.... I could keep going all day here.
You keep going back to track numbers. As I have said 3 times now, if numbers are so important go buy a crotch rocket and call it a day. Save yourself a TON of $$.
REGARDLESS, the Z06 hasn't beaten the GT or the Enzo. So the argument is pointless anyway.
Discussing things with you early 20's guys is pointless, your all know it alls. If we were face to face I'd love to hear you speak on how the Corvette is manufactured vs the Ford GT. Enzo, TVR... you guys have no clue obviously.
11-07-2005, 03:40 PM
#1040
Moderator Alumnus
Originally Posted by srika
I think I know what Siggy is talking about... let me put it this way - with price out of the picture, I would take the GT over the Z06 in a heartbeat. The GT is an exotic. Yeah, I think it's exotic factor we are talking about here.. the Z06 doesn't have it.
BUT... I'd have to do something about the brakes...
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323809
also give it some more boost so I could smoke Z06's
BUT... I'd have to do something about the brakes...
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323809
also give it some more boost so I could smoke Z06's
Something is wrong with those numbers. I have seen it test WAY under those numbers from other people. Seems the reality of these "road tests" is there is either a lot of variance for some unexplained reasons. Or people are futzing with the numbers.
ya, you understand exactly what I'm saying. The other schmoes just keep babling track #'s as if it's a viable argument. Even though the GT is still outperforming it anyway. But the foundation of my statement is the class the vehicle is in, not it's performance numbers. Doesn't matter of the Z06 run's 9's it won't change what class of vehicle it is.
Those kids must also have ADD since they totally read over my
Sure the Z06 is right there in sheer handling/speed. I'm not arguing that. It's a fantasic car for the $$, no argument there.