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So what are the specs on this engine. Is it the same exact engine as in the M5 or does it make the rumored extra 50HP with 0.5 liters of additional displacement?
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
is this legit??

just joking.
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for fun, here are the 1987 M6 specs, 2 compare with....

http://www.tuningpt.com/store/miscsc...6/article6.jpg
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Originally Posted by gavriil
So what are the specs on this engine. Is it the same exact engine as in the M5 or does it make the rumored extra 50HP with 0.5 liters of additional displacement?
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...9&page=1&pp=35

1. M6 engine, any different from M5 engine.

"IF we would do other models with a V10 it would be the same V10."
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Then I am wondering how the M6 stacks up with the M5's curb weight. If they were similar, I am sure BMW would use its usual trick of gearing to promote teh M6 as the faster of the two, as it should be.
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i see tons of 6 series in london, and it doesn't stand out like pics.
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World debut of the new BMW M6 - In depth [part 1] - - World debut of the new BMW M6 - In depth [part 1] - - Source: Kak.net

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World debut of the new BMW M6 - In depth [part 2] - - Posted by: kak on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - - Source: Kak.net
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looks fantastic! great find gav
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Damn it has a carbon fiber roof. . . Crazy. . .

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Bmw M6

Link to BMWUSA website.

http://www.bmwusa.com/Vehicles/futurevehicles/newM6/

500hp, 383 ft/lbs torque. I wonder why the touque rating is so low as compared to the hp?

Oh well, I would still love to have one. I think the 6 series is one of the best looking cars out there.
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500hp, 383 ft/lbs torque. I wonder why the touque rating is so low as compared to the hp?
Same engine as the M5. The reason for the low torque is most likely the cause of:
1) Low displacement engine (considering it has 10 cyl.)
2) BMW judging that the market would go crazy for a 500/383 car cause of the "magic 500" mark, as opposed to trying to sell a 450/450 car, which should be faster in most real life tests. The E55, its main competitor develops 469hp, and BMW had to outdo it. Too bad they fell short 133 lb/ft in the torque department... AMG's S/C 5.5L V8 produces 516 lb/ft and 469hp. I'd much rather have that engine than the M5's new V10, even if the V10 will sing a more melodious tune than the AMG engine.
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Somebody buy that photog a flash.
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Here's some reworked shots so you can actually see what this thing looks like:







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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Somebody buy that photog a flash.
Yeah it looks like they are using a Point and Shoot type of camera. Usually those dont have powerful flashes.

The color of the car does not help either. It repels light.
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that looks sooooooo much better than the regular 6!

mmm i likey.
those rims are hot.
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BMW M cars no longer excite me, i just came to that conclusion....the new M5 and M6 are horrible...i meen michanicly and whatnot, they are superios to previous M cars, but they just arnt good looking. Can someone please bring back the M coupe, non bangled???
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Originally Posted by srika
for fun, here are the 1987 M6 specs, 2 compare with....

http://www.tuningpt.com/store/miscsc...6/article6.jpg
I forgot how retardedly expensive that car was ...

Even though it looks goofy from the profile now, I'd give a nut for a Concours quality '87 M6
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Glad they didn't screw up the 3series, at least the M3 will live on. If there is any company that needs to go retro right now, its BMW.
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M6 Cabrio's A Raining Champ - - By Ben Whitworth - - Source: Autoexpress

Officially, BMW claims the M6 convertible doesn't exist yet - but the magazine's spies caught it on a shakedown test around a drenched Nürburgring circuit in Germany.

The 2+2 cabrio will use the same mighty 5.0-litre V10 as found in the standard M6 and the M5. This all-alloy engine develops 507bhp and 521Nm of torque, driving the rear wheels through a seven-speed sequential gearbox.

That's enough to propel the car from 0-60mph in less than five seconds, and on to an electronically limited top speed of 155mph. Derestricted, the M6 cabrio would easily hit 200mph - performance that helps it claim the honour of fastest BMW drop-top of all-time.

Under the skin, the newcomer is identical to the already launched 6-Series convertible, sharing its reinforced side sills to maintain chassis stiffness, as well as the stylish 'buttressed' fabric roof. Yet despite its luxurious image, the M6 cabrio will be every inch an M-car.

To offset the weight of the convertible's extra bracing, the front wings are plastic, while the doors and bonnet are aluminium. The BMW gets the coupé's muscular bodykit - note the ground-hugging front air intake, sculpted side sills, quad exhausts and 19-inch alloys.

The newcomer will also borrow the luxurious cabin, complete with leather sports seats, a head-up display and a multifunction steering wheel. It's due for a showroom debut in time for summer 2007, but there's no word on pricing yet. However, as the M6 coupé is likely to cost about £72,000 when it goes on sale at the end of this year, expect the more exclusive cabrio to be at least £80,000.
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That tells you how stiff this 6 cabrio is.
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BMW M cars no longer excite me, i just came to that conclusion....the new M5 and M6 are horrible...i meen michanicly and whatnot, they are superios to previous M cars, but they just arnt good looking. Can someone please bring back the M coupe, non bangled???
Agree. Nowadays I look at the new bimmers and only feel some respect for the performance, the looks don't excite me at all. Once the yuppy posers realize their brand-new bimmers don't generate much envy anymore, the sales will go down.
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
Agree. Nowadays I look at the new bimmers and only feel some respect for the performance, the looks don't excite me at all. Once the yuppy posers realize their brand-new bimmers don't generate much envy anymore, the sales will go down.
BMW gained its initial popularity with ugly cars..the performance is what drew everyone to them.

ugly exibit a:

ugly exhibit b:

c:


ugly/controversial designs, but everyone wanted one because of their performance.

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I dont ugree that BMWs were ugly in the past. And I dont agree they are ugly today. Controversial today? Absolutely. All of them? No way.

The Z4 and 7er started the controversy and the 5er continued it. The 6er is just OK, but the looks dont make justice to its price, so overall, OK. Every other model is fine looking.

I think that before Bangle, BMWs were conservative looking. Especially during the 90s.
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Originally Posted by zeroday
BMW gained its initial popularity with ugly cars..the performance is what drew everyone to them.

ugly exibit a:
I don't think these were ugly back then, post some pictures of other contemporary cars and you'll see. I always thought the twin headlamps were really cool actually.

BMW got their biggest jump in popularity with the E36 and E46, and these were great-looking cars. The last 5-series was beautiful as well, and so was the 7-series, although it was more conservative. None of these designs were polarizing like the new ones are.
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old BMWs were NOT ugly



I will own one of these someday!

But i agree with Gav. I think these new designs will make BMW age very well.
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you'd think i just insulted the pope or something. sheez. my post was misunderstood...probably my fault.

i just remember as a kid seeing my uncle's new 535i for the first time in 1985 and thinking...damn that's kinda boring/almost ugly, why is he making such a fuss out of this car...then the looks of the car grew on me after i got in it and he showed me what it could do. i don't think they're ugly now but, like saabs of old, they aren't going to instantly attract a buyer based on their looks...they'll grow on people...then the sales will follow.

my point is the new bmw's are the same...controversial...borderline ugly to some...but i think they'll grow on the buying public given what BMW history has shown if they continue with their cutting edge level of performance.
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i'll be honest the first time i saw a bmw 2002 i chuckled; without knowing anything about the car I thought it just looked kind of silly.
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M&M: The new M6 is like the M5, only better - - By MARK VAUGHN - - Source: Autoweek

2007 BMW M6
ON SALE: May 2006
BASE PRICE: $95,000 (est.)
POWERTRAIN: 5.0-liter, 507-hp, 383-lb-ft V10; rwd, seven-speed SMG
CURB WEIGHT: 3700 lbs (est.)
0 TO 60 MPH: 4.5 seconds (est.)
PHOTOS: BMW M6 GALLERY

Neighbor been talking smack about his new M5? Want to silence his yappin’ pie hole once and for all? Buy yourself an M6 and tell him to meet you at the local road course for some “discussion.”

His lip will tremble, his brow will sweat, he’ll pull out a pocket hanky and start wiping at the corners of his mouth like the bad guys used to do on The Rifleman.

“Em, emmmm, M6?” he will ask. “Ya’ mean what with the lighter body, lower center of gravity and better puh, puh, puh...”

“Power-to-weight ratio?” you’ll prod.

“Yeah.”

That’s the one, you will say.

“Aw dang, lookit the time, ah, ah, ah, I gotta go!” the neighbor will stammer.

“Ya’ gotta go buy more car,” you will say smugly, “because the M6 can kick some serious M5 keister.”

But he’ll be back when he figures out the advantages of the M5 over the M6.

“I can seat five comfortably,” the neighbor will think to say about a week later.

“I can seat four, and who needs to carry anybody around when you’re lapping Nürburgring’s Nordschleife 10 seconds a lap faster, anyway?”

“Ten seconds a lap on the Nordschleife?” He will gulp. “That ain’t right, that just ain’t right!”

Oh yes, it is.


The V10 is all business, yet torquey and refined enough that you can drive it around town all day without lighting the tires.

Of course the M5 is one serious super sedan, with a superb drivetrain, svelte suspension and enough room that you can even justify it on practical grounds. The M6 is all that, only more. Hang on a minute, he’s back.

“Ah saved me a passel o’ money on the price of my 5 vis-à-vis yer 6,” the neighbor will say.

He’s got you there. U.S. prices aren’t out, but judging by European stickers, when M5 gets to the United States in October, look for prices starting around $85,000 and the M6 near $95,000 when it arrives in May 2006. And the neighbor is right about the seating, too.

But so what? We flat out enjoyed ourselves in the M6 and would have been happy paying the extra 10 or so grand (if we had it). At that level of pricing, the value factor tends to take a back seat—a less comfortable, coupe-style back seat, no less—to performance, horsepower and panache. The performance difference between M5 and M6 is slight, but significant to those who can tell.

“The biggest difference is that the center of gravity is much lower than the M5,” said M6 product manager Stefan Behr, speaking at the car’s European introduction at the Race Resort Ascari track near Seville in Spain. “You get a car that is more agile, more sporty; this makes a totally different feel.”

BMW’s favorite statistic for comparing the M5/M6 performance is the M6’s time around the Nürburgring’s old course, the twisting, snaking carnival of burned brakes and invisible turns known as the Nordschleife (say: nord shly fuh), or north loop. At that track the M6 circulates once every eight minutes while the M5 takes 8:10.

“With the Nordschleife, you need a lot of components to work together,” said Behr.

We got a chance to see what he meant, lapping not the Nordschleife but the magnificent Ascari track. If some tracks pride themselves on their challenging off-camber turns and blind corners, Ascari is a festival of big, beautiful bowls, with wide-open turns that sweep through the Spanish countryside like empty swimming pools, as attractive to skateboarders as racers.

We went out for our first session without pushing any of the M6’s prodigious supply of buttons, just went out and explored the track at speed with everything set on default. We used the paddle shifter, of course, but not any of the other electronic adjustments.

The M6 was stable throughout. It rides on 255/40ZR-19s in front and 285/35ZR-19s in back that will carry either the Continental or Pirelli name when they come here. Wheels are a fairly unflattering five-spoke design unique to the M6. Despite the presence of other electronic systems, there is no active antiroll bar on the M6, nor the active steering found on the regular 5 Series. That is nicely appropriate.

Aerodynamically, instead of bragging about downforce, which doesn’t really come into play in a street car, even at a racetrack, BMW engineers like to say the M6 has “less upforce,” which is more accurate.

“It’s very well balanced,” says Ulrich Bruhnke, head of BMW’s M division.


See those little buttons next to the shifter? They change the whole character of the M6, from moderate cruiser you'd trust to the valet, to howling screamer you'll never let go of. The front seats are comfortable after a long day, yet side bolsters are strong enough to keep you in place at the track. And the back seats, while not exactly spacious, are not cruel, except rear seat passengers aren't driving.


With the power defaulted at 400 for those first laps, it still felt pretty quick. The car is fairly light weight, at least by the standards of big, heavy coupes, weighing in at 3927 pounds using the European standard, with a full tank, driver and 15 pounds of luggage. That might fall below 3700 pounds by U.S. curb-weight measures. In either case, it is 99 pounds lighter than the M5, with an aluminum hood and decklid, as well as carbon fiber bumper mounts and a carbon fiber roof. It feels agile, but in a grand-touring way, not so much a sport-sedan way.

Then we came back into the pits and reset everything. You can control four things with simple buttons next to the shifter (which means you need not delve into iDrive): engine power, Dynamic Stability Control, Electronic Damper Control and shift shock.

With the top button we switched peak horsepower from an already impressive 400 to the full wallopin’ 507, a number that is “just a coincidence,” and no relation to the iconic 507 roadster of yore, they say. The system simply does not open the throttle the whole way when it is in the 400-hp mode.

The second button down is for DSC. It goes off when it is switched off, unlike the Lexus GS 430, for instance, which never goes all the way off.

Below that is the EDC. It has three settings: sport, normal and comfort, indicated by two, one and no lights on the console readout.

You can also program the rev counter to pop up on the windshield in front of you, which proved real handy while lapping Ascari.

All those settings can be programmed into the system and reset automatically by pushing the MDrive button. Problem is, while the MDrive button itself is simple to hit, setting it up is a submenu of that byzantine iDrive. But if you own this car you should eventually figure it out.

There is also a launch control program that limits wheelspin to an optimum 18 percent, but we didn’t want to provoke the humorless Spanish track worker at pit-out, so we left it off.

Nonetheless, the M6—tuned to full sport on all parameters—is an entirely different animal.

The seven-speed sequential manual gearbox (a six-speed manual may or may not come to us; BMW North America insists it will, BMW AG sounds less sure) will stay in the harshest end of the shift spectrum where you’ve set it as long as you are flooring the throttle. We floored the throttle exiting the pits and were rewarded with spine-thumping shifts under acceleration. The only previous such shifts we recall (other than the M5) were in the late GMC Typhoon—it wasn’t an adjustable shifter, it just kicked you in the can at every gear change, which might have contributed to that vehicle’s eventual market demise.



The SMG boasts 97 percent efficiency compared to 90 percent typical of automatics. It doesn’t creep forward in first gear, which is kind of weird to those accustomed to regular automatics.

The 5.0-liter V10 at full 507 hp is all you will ever need. With DSC off, it can easily slide the car around. It’s a joy to listen to it roar. While it certainly can get the M6 out of line, it never becomes unmanageable. As Behr says, you need a lot of the components to work together. Redline is 8250 rpm, perhaps one of the highest-revving street engines of this displacement. Every cylinder gets its own throttle butterflies, each pipe in the exhaust manifold is the same length, the V10 weighs 528 pounds, only 2.2 pounds more than the BMW 4.4-liter V8.

The rear differential recognizes not just torque differences between rear wheels but also speed. In theory it can transfer 100 percent of torque to the wheel with the best grip. It even has cooling fins on the lower part of the casing!

The most impressive thing perhaps is the maxed-out SMG transmission, which bangs the gears up and down with such authority that you feel downright obliged to drive more aggressively, to knock a few seconds off your last lap time, to do something fast and smoothly. The M6 definitely has more to offer than we were able to extract that afternoon. We were tempted to spend the $150,000 initiation fee to join Race Resort Ascari, learn Spanish, and move to Seville. We wanted to stick around, learn the track, learn the car, learn the limits of both.

These thoughts occur when lapping.

Later we calmed down a bit and regained our balance. In addition to the cost of the M6 and its one-year delay in getting to the United States, there are other drawbacks.

As we entered the pits we heard a clinking-clanking sound that turned out to be the brake pads contracting as they cooled. Behr says U.S. production pads will not be like these and there will be two kinds available. He also pointed out the discs are steel (not expensive, squeaky ceramic), with swing calipers, which eliminates the need for extra pistons. As it is, the fronts have two pistons, the rears one.

The M6 is not a Porsche/Ferrari alternative, so you can’t look at it as a sports car. It’s a grand tourer, a Mercedes AMG CL55/ Aston Martin DB9 alternative. Which isn’t a bad thing.

“You can go from Munich to Milan, then you can push the button and go to the track,” says BMW board member Burkhard Goeschel.

It all sounds so reasonable. And it is faster than an M5, remember.
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$85K and $95K ?!? This is getting out of hand with BMW pricing...
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I don't care how hot this is ... Two years ago you could get a 911 GT3 for $4k more than this ... What a ripoff.
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i was thinking something priced a bit higher than the M3....
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This is the first interior I can honestly say that I like since the revolution at BMW:

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$95k for an M6? No fucking thank you.
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95k is a steal compared to a sl55 or cl55 which it could compete
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