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Old 02-07-2005, 12:26 PM
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Thats awsome...anyone else Realise this thread is nearly 2 years old
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Hot damn...It's about time BMW entered the hard-top convertible market.
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The coupe?

hey, hey that looks pretty GOOD!!
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3 X 5: The BMW 3 Series goes from stand-alone icon to improved icon with stiff competition - - By Matt Davis - - Source: Autoweek

2006 BMW 330i
ON SALE: May
BASE PRICE: $37,000 (est.)
POWERTRAIN: 3.0-liter, 255-hp, 221-lb-ft I6; rwd, six-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 3362 pounds
0 TO 62 MPH: 6.3 seconds (mfr.)
MORE 3 SERIES: PHOTO GALLERY

BMW’s 3 Series has been enhanced using Porsche 911-like caution. As it enjoys a fanatical following and accounts for nearly half of worldwide BMW sales, this was a good move.

We’ll talk about the new straight-six engine and other tech wizardry in more detail soon. This week, we just get in and drive the new 3, codename E90.

Riding on the architecture developed for the 1 Series, the 3 is nearly two inches longer, three inches wider and a smidgen taller, with 1.14-inch-wider tracks and a wheelbase longer by 1.38 inches vs. the outgoing model. Overall rigidity is said to be 25 percent greater. Much of the improvement is a result of beefing up high-stress structural points in the body using aluminum and high-tensile steels. The result is newfound sturdiness over all road surfaces, lower NVH levels, and added courage at top speeds and while leaping between apexes.


The interior gets an upmarket massage and there is more head, shoulder and knee room. If you’re six-plus feet tall and long of torso, you should think a bit before you order that sunroof. At times we were rubbing skull to the outside; losing the sunroof fixed that.

BMW has upgraded the E90 technologically to fall in line with the 5, 6 and 7 Series. New-generation Dynamic Stability Control with Dynamic Traction Control comes standard. The front MacPherson struts now attach to an aluminum, double-joint tie-bar axle and subframe, while the steel multilink rear configuration has five links instead of four.

As you drive along in wet conditions with the windshield’s automatic rain sensor activated, the Brake Dry function applies light pressure of 1.0 bar (14.5 psi) to all discs for 1.5 seconds every 1.25 miles. A second braking aide, Brake Standby, involves the calipers being moved to within 1.0 millimeter of the discs when the car’s brain notices an abrupt lift from the accelerator pedal. Braking dynamics in our 330i testers on local roads and on the track at the Circuito Albacete near Valencia, Spain, were optimal at all times. Front and rear discs are 13 inches and 13.2 inches respectively, up from 12.8-inch and 12.6-inch units.

On a heavily polished concrete handling course, the differences between full DSC, DTC and finally no traction assistance at all were clear. DSC is an active function that uses sensors to monitor the car’s trajectory via decisive and complex brake modulation. Press the DSC button on the console and the binnacle display shows “DTC,” which raises the braking threshold to a slightly passive attitude and allows more throttle play and countersteer. Hold the button down for three more seconds and it’s just you and physics keeping things between the lines. DTC is sufficient for anyone under most conditions. With everything deactivated, the predictability of the 3 Series’ oversteer path made for a lot of throttle-to-steering-wheel fun. Just one benefit of 50:50 weight distribution and superior torque feed to the rear wheels.


The 330i (no 325i testers were available) has the sport suspension that lowers the car 0.6 inch, enhancing the 0.30 coefficient of drag. On the 11-turn, 2.2-mile track, this suspension variant, with stiffer struts and standard 225/45 Pirellis on 17-inch wheels, shines in its rock-solid stability. On lengthy top-speed runs on the open road at a registered 160 mph, the standard suspension is exemplary. It is appropriate BMW has left the all-leveling Dynamic Drive out of the mix; we like—no, crave—the 3 Series’ natural and slight body roll. And even with the equipment upgrades, the 3362-pound curb weight for the 330i with six-speed manual is reasonable.

Whether you choose the Getrag manual, the clutch pedal-free SMG version of same, or the ZF automatic with Step-tronic, you’re looking at six speeds. The Getrag box is the same as on the fourth-generation car, only the final drive ratio has changed. In the E46 it went as short as 3.07:1 with the performance package, the stock transaxle reading 2.93:1. The standard final ratio in the E90 330i with manual is 3.15:1. The optional five-speed automatic used in the E46 ranged from 3.45:1 in first to 0.76 in fifth, and had a final drive of 3.38:1. The new Steptronic six goes from 4.17:1 to 0.69:1 with a 3.64:1 final ratio.

Improvements using the new six-speed manual are therefore minimal in a straight line—6.3 seconds to 62 mph, one-tenth of a second faster—but noticeable on a curvy track when mated to the new straight-six good for 30 hp more than the old engine. We weren’t timed, but it’s easy to feel the progress exiting every turn with more torque on call at lower revs—221 lb-ft from 2500 to 4000 rpm vs. the former six at 214 lb-ft starting at 3500 rpm.


It is the new six-speed Step-tronic that blows the doors off the old five-speed. In the 330i it takes 0.4 second less, 6.6 seconds, to reach 62 mph, per BMW. This is a sure sign Munich intends to start selling more automatics. We tried the Step-tronic on a 320d, and at the very least we could feel the better gear selections having their desired effect, despite a diesel-tall 3.15:1 final drive ratio.

Besides iDrive, another new 3 Series option that throws us into office debates is Active Steering. Under most circumstances it is good technology. Particularly in the city, Active Steering pays for itself, with turns lock-to-lock coming down to just one and two-thirds from the standard three. But as we noticed on the 6 Series while apex-hunting on a two-lane and using second and third gears, the technology can get overactive as it tries to catch up with your moves. Slow down abruptly and tuck into a 180-degree left while notching down to second, and you’ll sometimes feel the steering ratio recalibrating itself precisely as you execute the curve. It is not a great feeling, and the solution is not that we need to get used to it. The technology needs to improve, or we need to be able to deactivate Active Steering in sportier moments.

As there are no 2 Series or 4 Series in BMW’s plans, this new 3 completes the updating of the car lineup, and the company can now roll out a raft of model variants. Most significantly for the 3, it is no longer the Baby Bimmer, since 1 Series production began last year. Also significant, the 3 Series has some truly heady competition now, particularly in the Infiniti G35, but continues to ask roughly $5,000 more MSRP for admission.


Sales start in Europe in March and begin Stateside in May. In 2004, even with the imminent launch of this new model, the 3 sold 449,670 units worldwide, 106,549 in the States, to record its second-best year. The goal for a full year by the time all 3 Series variants are introduced in 2007 is at least 600,000.
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I caught a real quick glimpse of the new 3 series on the Autobahn just west of Munich today. Didn't get a chance to catch up with it (doing at least 100) but it looked pretty good.

Depending on how the 1 series sales fare, BMW will be selling close to 1 mil cars/yr based on this platform - you'd think they could price it a little lower based on that volume.
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All I can think about when I read that is: "what'll the next M3 be like?"
Old 02-21-2005, 07:21 PM
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Whats with this rumor i heard, BMW 335ci?

I heard BMW isnt going to offer the 3.0 in the e90 coupe. Heard a 3.5 engine with about 290hp will be offered.

Anyone have info on this? This might be my next car
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What's your source? Everything I've heard so far points to two versions of the same 3.0L I6 with different tuning for different power ratings.
Old 02-21-2005, 07:29 PM
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well that part is offical for the E90 sedan.

My source? Just internet people babbling. Nothing soild, which is why im posting here in hopes gav knows.
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Given the heated up competition........I wouldn't be surprised if you see more HP from the 3series in its 2nd year of production.

Of course pissing off the people who bought first year cars.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
I heard BMW isnt going to offer the 3.0 in the e90 coupe. Heard a 3.5 engine with about 290hp will be offered.

Anyone have info on this? This might be my next car

What's news in your post above is that BMW wont offer the 3.0 in the e90 coupe. Which I doubt.

Otherwise, we're expecting a 3.5 liter engine be added to the lineup.
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So it looks like more than 400HP. I cant believe that the next M3 will come with as much or more HP than the C6. Talk about HP wars here.
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Not feeling the look, but the power would be enticing...
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This probably is exactly what the production model will look like. Follows perfectly in the footsteps of the M5. With 400hp, if they can keep the price where it is now (even though everyone knows they won't) this may actually turn out to be a good deal as well as an awesome machine.
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Wow...just found contestant #2 for my next car in 2007.
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Originally Posted by goldmemberer
This probably is exactly what the production model will look like. Follows perfectly in the footsteps of the M5. With 400hp, if they can keep the price where it is now (even though everyone knows they won't) this may actually turn out to be a good deal as well as an awesome machine.
I doubt the price will be the same as now. There will be a $5K hike at the least.
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if its only 5k hike i'd be suprised, unless they increase the cost of every single option as well

however if with reasonable options (navi, premium package, 19 or 20 inch rims) it stay ~58k, it would be a decent upgrade, considering the current m3 can be priced to 60k with options as well
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Originally Posted by gavriil
So it looks like more than 400HP. I cant believe that the next M3 will come with as much or more HP than the C6. Talk about HP wars here.
It would still be slower though as it will be heavier than the C6 and most likely have significantly less torque.
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I am awaiting the curb weight. The E46 M3 was overweight and this car will probably be even heavier given the V8 and added content associated with the redesign.
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
..and most likely have significantly less torque..
keep in mind that both will be using V8's, this isn't a high-revving 3.3 I6 anymore, so the extra cylinders might bring it up to a respectable number (compared with the 6L V8 from the 'vette.
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RS 4!!!
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That looks like crap. I'll take one of the photochopped versions, though.
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Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer
That looks like crap. I'll take one of the photochopped versions, though.


this one looks a lot better...
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Originally Posted by Maximized
I am awaiting the curb weight. The E46 M3 was overweight and this car will probably be even heavier given the V8 and added content associated with the redesign.
What luxury coupe/sedan isn't overweight? S4, C55, CTS-V, GTO.........all heavy.

The M3 is one of the best performing out of the bunch, weighs the least, and does so with an inline 6.
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
What luxury coupe/sedan isn't overweight? S4, C55, CTS-V, GTO.........all heavy.

The M3 is one of the best performing out of the bunch, weighs the least, and does so with an inline 6.

All of them are 4 doors sedans with the exception of the GTO. The GTO isn't really in the same class as the M3. The E46 M3 was a step backwards in the handling department; enthusiasts will tell you that the E36 M3 is a better handling car. The E46 M3 is nearly 300 lbs heavier than the E36 M3, hence the better handling and "feel". I bet the next generation M3 will weigh anywhere near 3550-3600 lbs, which is too heavy.
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well its a .8 litre increase from 3.2 to 4.0, they will probably use lighter materials in some parts of the car to drop the center of mass, like the CF roof on the M6...i remember reading the M5 only increased 50-75lbs but gained all that HP and along with its steering setup its handling was also better than the outgoing M5....

i have a feeling BMW really needs to set the standard again as they always have with their M3...
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Originally Posted by Maximized
I am awaiting the curb weight. The E46 M3 was overweight and this car will probably be even heavier given the V8 and added content associated with the redesign.

Yes but this thing has a billion more HP than the E36 M3 (since you say the E46 was overweight).
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Originally Posted by stangg172004
RS 4!!!
I dont know. I am sure the E90 M3 will somehow will outperform the RS4 in pretty much every metric. Watch. It happens every time.
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Problem is, the car is 2 years away.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I dont know. I am sure the E90 M3 will somehow will outperform the RS4 in pretty much every metric. Watch. It happens every time.
not looks, imho the rs4 looks god like, RS 4
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I dont know. I am sure the E90 M3 will somehow will outperform the RS4 in pretty much every metric. Watch. It happens every time.

definitely...those guys at BMW always have something up special...
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Originally Posted by stangg172004
not looks, imho the rs4 looks god like, RS 4
its cute...just wait for the real pics of the M3 to drop later this year...
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Yes but this thing has a billion more HP than the E36 M3 (since you say the E46 was overweight).
That's true, but it probably won't handle as well. I guess I will have to see what the final product offers.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Yes but this thing has a billion more HP than the E36 M3 (since you say the E46 was overweight).
Sidebar: It still sucks that the Euro spec E36 M3 (286hp/236lb-ft S50 B30) never made it stateside.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
Sidebar: It still sucks that the Euro spec E36 M3 (286hp/236lb-ft S50 B30) never made it stateside.
Or how about the 321 bhp version
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id take the rs4 over the new m3...ONLY because its a sedan and awd.

if both coupe, and both available in awd, id take the m3.

im sure the m3 will outperform though.
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Originally Posted by Maximized
All of them are 4 doors sedans with the exception of the GTO. The GTO isn't really in the same class as the M3. The E46 M3 was a step backwards in the handling department; enthusiasts will tell you that the E36 M3 is a better handling car. The E46 M3 is nearly 300 lbs heavier than the E36 M3, hence the better handling and "feel". I bet the next generation M3 will weigh anywhere near 3550-3600 lbs, which is too heavy.
I had an E36 M3 and have an E46 M3...........the E46 M3 is a much better car than the E36.

Coupe or sedan, you're still calling the M3 overweight when the cars mentioned (GTO aside) are all considered competition to the M3.

Not to mention, the M3 is not a small car. Don't be so sure on the weight of the E90, you never know what BMW will do.
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
I had an E36 M3 and have an E46 M3...........the E46 M3 is a much better car than the E36.

Coupe or sedan, you're still calling the M3 overweight when the cars mentioned (GTO aside) are all considered competition to the M3.

Not to mention, the M3 is not a small car. Don't be so sure on the weight of the E90, you never know what BMW will do.
My brother has a modded 97 E36 M3 and my good friend had a highly modded E46 M3 6 speed. I have driven both extensively on the streets and took a couple of laps on the track. Enthusiasts will tell you that the E36 M3 is a better handling car and better track car. The E46 is a better car in many aspects, due to it being a newer vehicle.

Again, you are comparing a coupe against Sedans, obviously there is going to be a weight difference. If the number of doors/seats don't matter, than cars like the C6 are a competitor to the M3 as well. The E90 330i weighs almost 100 lbs more than the E46 330i; adding a 100 lbs more to the next gen M3 will put it around 3550-3600 lbs. That's simply too much weight IMO for a sports car.
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its cute...just wait for the real pics of the M3 to drop later this year...
omg, did u say its cute! i hope you are a girl cuz if your not you are now responsible for making the rs4 very, very uncool!!!


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