Alfa Romeo: Development and Technology News
^ Yep. Though Alfas are FWD, they will handle better, weigh the same (if not a little less), have more sophisticated styling, and have better engines... Plus they're Italian. Lord, GM's gettin' it from all sides. And now, the Challenger's coming back... another shot a Pontiac (the next GTO had better be an absolute beast).
Italian maker Alfa Romeo returning to the U.S. in 2009 - - By GREG KABLE - - Source: Autoweek
Alfa Romeo has confirmed it is preparing a high-stakes return to the North American market after more than a decade’s absence. A trio of contemporary new models will lead the charge.
Although not officially due to go on sale here until the end of 2009 (coinciding with the company’s 100th anniversary in 2010), the new Alfa Romeo lineup is well on the way to fruition, having already been launched in Europe in the past 12 months. Engineering work is now under way at home and in the U.S. to make the cars fit for North American sale, a task Alfa Romeo officials say is a mere formality given that all three models were developed with U.S. safety and emission regulations in mind.
Among the new models the Italian carmaker has earmarked for North America are facelifted versions of the one-year-old 159 sedan, as well the recently launched Brera coupe and Spider convertible. Alfa especially likes the Spider’s chances, given its link with the Duetto, which rose to prominence starring alongside Anne Bancroft and Dustin Hoffman in the popular 1967 movie The Graduate.
Each model coming stateside is based on Alfa Romeo’s new Premium platform (a modular structure developed with General Motors’ Saab division). The chassis supports front- and four-wheel drive, and is engineered to conform to North American crash regulations.
“We knew when we first drew up plans for the 159, Brera and Spider that they would likely head to North America, so we undertook the necessary engineering to ensure they would meet any existing and future standards from the outset,” says Alfa Romeo spokesman Richard Gadeselli.
Gadeselli confirms fine-tuning is taking place before the cars gain U.S. certification, which is why Alfa Romeo’s return to North America is being timed to coincide with the appearance of facelifted versions of the 159, Brera and Spider in 2009 rather than now. The delay also gives Alfa Romeo time to launch the promised performance-oriented GTA versions of each model, providing it with a potentially larger lineup.
Alfa Romeo isn’t divulging detailed specifications, although Gadeselli hints that both the 2.2-liter four-cylinder front-wheel-drive and 3.2-liter V6 four-wheel-drive versions of each model will be sold here. Depending on how diesel sales progress in coming years, there may also be a 2.4-liter five-cylinder turbodiesel in the 159.
By concentrating its efforts on just three models sharing the same basic platform and driveline architecture, Alfa Romeo is clearly seeking to contain costs. Success in North America could help fund crucial new models, such as a production version of its well-received Kamal concept car wheeled out at the 2003 Geneva motor show as well as a crossover to replace the discontinued 166. A new entry-level model, codenamed Racer and positioned beneath the European market 147, was also recently under consideration but may be abandoned, according to AutoWeek sources.
The decision to return Alfa Romeo to the North American market stems from a strategic plan laid out by parent company Fiat, which aims for a close alignment with Maserati. The plan calls for Alfa Romeo and Maserati to develop new models using common components to lower costs, speed development and improve profitability.
Under an earlier plan, Maserati was aligned with Ferrari, but that was abandoned last year when it became apparent that developing Maserati models to the same standards used at Ferrari proved too expensive for Maserati’s volume ambitions. By grouping Alfa Romeo and Maserati together, Fiat hopes to have finally found a complementary pairing.
To cost-effectively reestablish Alfa Romeo’s sales and service presence, officials have already struck a deal with the Maserati dealer network in North America that will see the 159, Brera and Spider sold alongside the Quattroporte as well as next year’s replacement for the Maserati Coupe and Spyder and a new entry-level Maserati sedan to take on the BMW M5.
The deal calls for an initial 50-strong network concentrated around large cities, although Gadeselli indicates this is likely to grow in both numbers and coverage as awareness of the Alfa Romeo brand increases.
“We’re under no illusion. The North American market is the toughest car market in the world. But it is also the largest in terms of volume. Alfa Romeo can no longer afford not to be represented there,” Gadeselli says. “We’re convinced there is potential for Alfa Romeo and we are determined to succeed.”
Alfa Romeo’s U.S. prospects
Alfa Romeo’s reentry into the U.S. market, timed to coincide with the Italian carmaker’s centennial in 2010, will start with a three-car push: 159, Brera and Spider. The lineup will remain unchanged until early next decade when, according to sources at parent company Fiat, Alfa Romeo may diversify with three more models that already exist as styling proposals at Alfa Romeo’s design headquarters in Turin: Kamal, Racer and 169.
Here is what’s in store:
159—Facelifted version of current model arrives in U.S. in late 2009. All new: 2012
Brera—Facelifted version of current model arrives in U.S. in late 2009. All new: 2013
Spider—Facelifted version of all-new model (see sidebar at right) arrives in U.S. in late 2009. All new: 2013
Kamal—Compact SUV inspired by the Kamal concept goes up against the BMW X3 in 2011
Sprint—Future uncertain for entry-level coupe seen as a spiritual successor to the Alfa Sud Sprint, developed under the internal codename Racer. Earliest arrival: 2011
169—Crossover replacement for recently discontinued 166 due in 2012
147—Entry level model currently not planned for sale in North America
Although not officially due to go on sale here until the end of 2009 (coinciding with the company’s 100th anniversary in 2010), the new Alfa Romeo lineup is well on the way to fruition, having already been launched in Europe in the past 12 months. Engineering work is now under way at home and in the U.S. to make the cars fit for North American sale, a task Alfa Romeo officials say is a mere formality given that all three models were developed with U.S. safety and emission regulations in mind.
Among the new models the Italian carmaker has earmarked for North America are facelifted versions of the one-year-old 159 sedan, as well the recently launched Brera coupe and Spider convertible. Alfa especially likes the Spider’s chances, given its link with the Duetto, which rose to prominence starring alongside Anne Bancroft and Dustin Hoffman in the popular 1967 movie The Graduate.
Each model coming stateside is based on Alfa Romeo’s new Premium platform (a modular structure developed with General Motors’ Saab division). The chassis supports front- and four-wheel drive, and is engineered to conform to North American crash regulations.
“We knew when we first drew up plans for the 159, Brera and Spider that they would likely head to North America, so we undertook the necessary engineering to ensure they would meet any existing and future standards from the outset,” says Alfa Romeo spokesman Richard Gadeselli.
Gadeselli confirms fine-tuning is taking place before the cars gain U.S. certification, which is why Alfa Romeo’s return to North America is being timed to coincide with the appearance of facelifted versions of the 159, Brera and Spider in 2009 rather than now. The delay also gives Alfa Romeo time to launch the promised performance-oriented GTA versions of each model, providing it with a potentially larger lineup.
Alfa Romeo isn’t divulging detailed specifications, although Gadeselli hints that both the 2.2-liter four-cylinder front-wheel-drive and 3.2-liter V6 four-wheel-drive versions of each model will be sold here. Depending on how diesel sales progress in coming years, there may also be a 2.4-liter five-cylinder turbodiesel in the 159.
By concentrating its efforts on just three models sharing the same basic platform and driveline architecture, Alfa Romeo is clearly seeking to contain costs. Success in North America could help fund crucial new models, such as a production version of its well-received Kamal concept car wheeled out at the 2003 Geneva motor show as well as a crossover to replace the discontinued 166. A new entry-level model, codenamed Racer and positioned beneath the European market 147, was also recently under consideration but may be abandoned, according to AutoWeek sources.
The decision to return Alfa Romeo to the North American market stems from a strategic plan laid out by parent company Fiat, which aims for a close alignment with Maserati. The plan calls for Alfa Romeo and Maserati to develop new models using common components to lower costs, speed development and improve profitability.
Under an earlier plan, Maserati was aligned with Ferrari, but that was abandoned last year when it became apparent that developing Maserati models to the same standards used at Ferrari proved too expensive for Maserati’s volume ambitions. By grouping Alfa Romeo and Maserati together, Fiat hopes to have finally found a complementary pairing.
To cost-effectively reestablish Alfa Romeo’s sales and service presence, officials have already struck a deal with the Maserati dealer network in North America that will see the 159, Brera and Spider sold alongside the Quattroporte as well as next year’s replacement for the Maserati Coupe and Spyder and a new entry-level Maserati sedan to take on the BMW M5.
The deal calls for an initial 50-strong network concentrated around large cities, although Gadeselli indicates this is likely to grow in both numbers and coverage as awareness of the Alfa Romeo brand increases.
“We’re under no illusion. The North American market is the toughest car market in the world. But it is also the largest in terms of volume. Alfa Romeo can no longer afford not to be represented there,” Gadeselli says. “We’re convinced there is potential for Alfa Romeo and we are determined to succeed.”
Alfa Romeo’s U.S. prospects
Alfa Romeo’s reentry into the U.S. market, timed to coincide with the Italian carmaker’s centennial in 2010, will start with a three-car push: 159, Brera and Spider. The lineup will remain unchanged until early next decade when, according to sources at parent company Fiat, Alfa Romeo may diversify with three more models that already exist as styling proposals at Alfa Romeo’s design headquarters in Turin: Kamal, Racer and 169.
Here is what’s in store:
159—Facelifted version of current model arrives in U.S. in late 2009. All new: 2012
Brera—Facelifted version of current model arrives in U.S. in late 2009. All new: 2013
Spider—Facelifted version of all-new model (see sidebar at right) arrives in U.S. in late 2009. All new: 2013
Kamal—Compact SUV inspired by the Kamal concept goes up against the BMW X3 in 2011
Sprint—Future uncertain for entry-level coupe seen as a spiritual successor to the Alfa Sud Sprint, developed under the internal codename Racer. Earliest arrival: 2011
169—Crossover replacement for recently discontinued 166 due in 2012
147—Entry level model currently not planned for sale in North America
Here's why I think it works this time ... The Euro.
Back when Italy had the Lira, the were so upside down on the exchange rate that it must have been incredibly expensive to sell a car here.
Now it makes sense with the 20% premium the Euro is getting over the Dollar.
I'd hope to see a Brera start in the mid-20s and go into the low 30s for the GTV6.
Back when Italy had the Lira, the were so upside down on the exchange rate that it must have been incredibly expensive to sell a car here.
Now it makes sense with the 20% premium the Euro is getting over the Dollar.
I'd hope to see a Brera start in the mid-20s and go into the low 30s for the GTV6.
Report says Alfa Romeo may pave U.S. return with sale of high dollar sports cars - - LUCA CIFERRI | AUTOMOTIVE NEWS - - Source: Autoweek
TURIN, Italy -- Alfa Romeo is coming back to the United States in late 2008 with big-sticker cars.
The Italian brand wants the $200,000-plus sports cars to pave the way for a 2010 or 2011 introduction of three volume models.
"We have a team working on the Alfa Romeo comeback to the U.S., and we will make an announcement at the Paris auto show" in September, says Sergio Marchionne, CEO of Alfa's parent, Fiat Auto S.p.A.
Alfa plans to sell its cars through the 47 U.S. dealers that sell its sister brand, Maserati.
Alfa has postponed its return to the United States repeatedly since 2000. At the time, Fiat said Alfa would introduce the redesigned two-seat Spider convertible in 2003.
James Selwa, president of Maserati North America, will head the Alfa Romeo relaunch in the United States. He says plans are still preliminary.
"The dealers know there is work going on, and they are excited," says Selwa.
"But there is a lot more work to do on the product before we get to dealer development."
The first Alfa Romeo to go on sale in the United States will be the limited-edition 8c Competizione carbon-fiber car. The car is based on a shortened platform of the Maserati Coupe, the company said.
The car will be powered by a Maserati 4.2-liter V-8 gasoline engine, which will produce more than 400 hp.
Prices likely will start at about $200,000 in Europe.
A soft-top version called the 8c Spider will debut in the United States in 2009.
Only 500 of each 8c Competizione model will be built for the world. The United States will get half of each vehicle's production.
Around 2010, Alfa plans to launch the Spider, Brera coupe and 159 sedan in the United States.
Changes for U.S. tastes are planned. The 159 will be extended by 10 inches to add more rear legroom and trunk space.
Alfa Romeo left the United States in 1995 because of quality problems. Alfa Romeo regularly finished at or near the bottom of J.D. Power and Associates' Initial Quality Study.
The Italian brand wants the $200,000-plus sports cars to pave the way for a 2010 or 2011 introduction of three volume models.
"We have a team working on the Alfa Romeo comeback to the U.S., and we will make an announcement at the Paris auto show" in September, says Sergio Marchionne, CEO of Alfa's parent, Fiat Auto S.p.A.
Alfa plans to sell its cars through the 47 U.S. dealers that sell its sister brand, Maserati.
Alfa has postponed its return to the United States repeatedly since 2000. At the time, Fiat said Alfa would introduce the redesigned two-seat Spider convertible in 2003.
James Selwa, president of Maserati North America, will head the Alfa Romeo relaunch in the United States. He says plans are still preliminary.
"The dealers know there is work going on, and they are excited," says Selwa.
"But there is a lot more work to do on the product before we get to dealer development."
The first Alfa Romeo to go on sale in the United States will be the limited-edition 8c Competizione carbon-fiber car. The car is based on a shortened platform of the Maserati Coupe, the company said.
The car will be powered by a Maserati 4.2-liter V-8 gasoline engine, which will produce more than 400 hp.
Prices likely will start at about $200,000 in Europe.
A soft-top version called the 8c Spider will debut in the United States in 2009.
Only 500 of each 8c Competizione model will be built for the world. The United States will get half of each vehicle's production.
Around 2010, Alfa plans to launch the Spider, Brera coupe and 159 sedan in the United States.
Changes for U.S. tastes are planned. The 159 will be extended by 10 inches to add more rear legroom and trunk space.
Alfa Romeo left the United States in 1995 because of quality problems. Alfa Romeo regularly finished at or near the bottom of J.D. Power and Associates' Initial Quality Study.
Originally Posted by titan
Damn. A 159 with 10 more inches added it? I like the sound of that... I just can't wait for the Brera to come stateside.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP LISTENING TO MARKETING MORONS RUNNING FOCUS GROUPS.
Originally Posted by charliemike
There's nothing wrong with the size of the cars Alfa sells in Europe.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP LISTENING TO MARKETING MORONS RUNNING FOCUS GROUPS.

EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP LISTENING TO MARKETING MORONS RUNNING FOCUS GROUPS.

Alfa Romeo: Development and Technology news
Future Alfa Romeos to Get RWD
If Alfa Romeo is serious about competing with Germany’s premium labels it will eventually have to drop its FWD only lineup. Latest reports claim that is exactly what’s going to happen over the next couple of years as Alfa updates its lineup and prepares for its re-launch in North America.
The news comes from an Alfa factory manager who told the guys at AutoWeek.nl that Alfa’s future lineup would include more RWD cars. Next year will see the launch of the first RWD Alfa since the early 1990s’ 75 sedan and Spider in the form of the all-new 8C Competizione sports coupe.
The 8C is only the start of a new era for Alfa, revealed marketing manager Renzo Barbirato. The 169 flagship sedan that’s expected to bow in towards the end of 2009 will also be RWD as will Alfa’s other models. The only car that won’t be RWD is the entry-level Junior hatch, which will remain FWD because of cost limitation, explained Barbirato.
Another avenue Alfa is exploring is the introduction of high-performance AWD models. The first of these will likely be the new GTA 159 sedan, which has recently been spotted circling the Nurburgring.
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If Alfa Romeo is serious about competing with Germany’s premium labels it will eventually have to drop its FWD only lineup. Latest reports claim that is exactly what’s going to happen over the next couple of years as Alfa updates its lineup and prepares for its re-launch in North America.
The news comes from an Alfa factory manager who told the guys at AutoWeek.nl that Alfa’s future lineup would include more RWD cars. Next year will see the launch of the first RWD Alfa since the early 1990s’ 75 sedan and Spider in the form of the all-new 8C Competizione sports coupe.
The 8C is only the start of a new era for Alfa, revealed marketing manager Renzo Barbirato. The 169 flagship sedan that’s expected to bow in towards the end of 2009 will also be RWD as will Alfa’s other models. The only car that won’t be RWD is the entry-level Junior hatch, which will remain FWD because of cost limitation, explained Barbirato.
Another avenue Alfa is exploring is the introduction of high-performance AWD models. The first of these will likely be the new GTA 159 sedan, which has recently been spotted circling the Nurburgring.
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RWD has been coming back for a long time now, and Honda/Acura hasn't gotten the hint yet. I don't see it being any different now either.
But that's ok...it leaves room for Hyundai to step up to the plate.
But that's ok...it leaves room for Hyundai to step up to the plate.
I highly highly HIGHLY doubt Acura is going to offer RWD when they are pushing their SHAWD on their models. We need to give up and move on to another brand if you want RWD.
Next on the agenda, TSX with AWD, next will be the TL, at that point it's over.
Next on the agenda, TSX with AWD, next will be the TL, at that point it's over.
Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
...and there lies the "problem"
Alfa Romeo is serious about competing with the German makes, while Honda/Acura is not.
Alfa Romeo is serious about competing with the German makes, while Honda/Acura is not.
Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
...and there lies the "problem"
Alfa Romeo is serious about competing with the German makes, while Honda/Acura is not.
Alfa Romeo is serious about competing with the German makes, while Honda/Acura is not.
Originally Posted by dom
If I had to merge all the "Honda/Acura should have RWD/V8" threads I'd be here until next Christmas.
How true....it's funny how every V8 or RWD thread turns into an Acura/Honda hate-fest
Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
How true....it's funny how every V8 or RWD thread turns into an Acura/Honda hate-fest
Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
This is no Acura/Honda hate-fest. This is like a teachers/students or parents/children relationship, with us the Acura/Honda owners being the teachers and the Acura/Honda Motor Co. being the students. We tried so hard to reflect our owners point of views to Acura to try to lead it back on the right track to be successful, to be great, and to be famous. We see something that Acura, with the managers so isolated from what the consumers actually desire, don't and we just want every single bit of oppurtunity to make the change happen.
However, the mainstream doesn't like it either. The $50K RL that Acura put so much hope in but doesn't sell well should be the wakeup call for the top brasses in Honda Motor Co. to revise their game plan.
Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
However, the mainstream doesn't like it either. The $50K RL that Acura put so much hope in but doesn't sell well should be the wakeup call for the top brasses in Honda Motor Co. to revise their game plan.
Originally Posted by iforyou
I guess what we can do is think of the SH-AWD as the "stepping stone" to RWD...
Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
I believe Acura never want to be a true-luxury car brand to compete with BMW and MB. It only want to stay where it is now -- a near-luxury car brand.
Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
If true, it is indeed an expensive "stepping stone" to an otherwise simple, proven, and widely-used RWD application.
why not just skip the awd process. it's not like honda doesn't have rwd experience...
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Honda/Acura probably wants to set itself apart from the competition, since the market is already filled with RWD sedans from Cadillac, Infinity, Lexus, BMW, Mercedes...but it seems like that's not a clever move as we can see that most people don't like that idea.
For those of us who live in the north, where we have to drive in the snow during winter, FWD or AWD will be the preference.
I totally agree with the poster about the vast majority of the motorists who could not even care less whether a car is FWD or RWD. Then there are people like us who NEED a FWD or AWD car in our climate.
I never understood why people attack Acura so much and yet they leave Audi alone.
I totally agree with the poster about the vast majority of the motorists who could not even care less whether a car is FWD or RWD. Then there are people like us who NEED a FWD or AWD car in our climate.
I never understood why people attack Acura so much and yet they leave Audi alone.


I am so looking forward to this. I have a real soft spot for Alfas and can't wait to see them make a return.




thats great news! im excited about thisl....
