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Old 10-31-2007, 03:48 AM
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That's true if the company is mainly selling luxury cars, in other words, a lot of parts are interchangeable. Look at BMW, for now, its 3.0L TT engine can be found in the 1 series, 3, series, and 5 series. Its V8 can share between 5 and 7 series. The same goes for Infiniti with its VQ engines shared between FX35, G35, Altima, Maxima, 350Z, Murano, etc. Even the GTR uses the VQ engine. Then its V8 is shared between M and Q. This is also true with Toyota, Audi, MB, etc. As for Honda/Acura though, if they want to make proft with high end cars, they need to make sure some parts, if not most, get to shared between various models. They could probably do it with an V8 engine by sharing between, say the RL, MDX, and possibly the Ridgeline. But the chassis, it will be tough. While Nissan can share its FM platform with several models, Honda doesn't offer enough models to do that.

So if Honda were to make true luxury cars, then that means it can no longer share parts with other models, such as the relationship between the Accord and the TL, and European Accord with the TSX.
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Rebadging the European HONDA Accord as the ACURA TSX certainly doesn't help elevating the Acura brand. But the recent move by Honda to create a separate design studio in the US for Acura products, seems to be heading in the right direction. You want to put as much distance as possible between Honda and Acura products, because no one wants to pay premium price for an Acura if he knows the same car is sold by the cheaper Honda brand elsewhere.

Inner parts can be shared between Honda and Acura, but definitely not the outside sheetmetals. Honda products will use FWD, and with engine choices from I4 to regular-output V6. Reserve RWD, high-output V6, 8 or more cylinder engines exclusively for Acura products. No V8, no RWD ? Then starts to work harder to make them happen.
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Yea that's very true, but if Honda goes too far away, as in not sharing any parts between its Acura cars and Honda cars, then I doubt that it will make more profit. I think the current gen TL is pretty successful at separating between itself with the Accord, other than its FWD layout. At least its exterior looks a lot better, more displacement, power, and the quality is better. The TSX, IMO, is a pretty good car. I mean not many people (except enthusiasts like us) know its an European Accord. Anyways it has good handling, it's not too cheap, great quality, and great performance. But I agree that the Honda should make the TSX more unique, rather than a straight conversion with 10 more hp and badges.

Honda/Acura has been reserving higher output V6 the whole time for Acura products, and now it has started to use SH-AWD to further differentiate between Honda and Acura. So I guess there are working on it, but the progress is slow..
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The engineering prowess that Honda has, I think they could do a lot better than what they currently do, but it's not that they can or not, it's that the powers in charge are too conservative.

Take Infiniti...all but 1 of their models is based off the same platform that is also used for the Nissan 350z. From that 1 platform, they design a near-luxury sedan and coupe, a midsize luxury sedan, and 2 SUVs...and that same platform is capable of utilizing V6 and V8 engines and RWD or AWD.

What does Honda do? They take a platform used for their bread and butter Accord and design 3 more sedans. They can differentiate the other models a LOT more, but they simply choose not to. And they spent all the time and cost to engineering 2 RWD platforms, and use each for a SINGLE niche model rather than spreading the development cost of at least one of those platforms over to other less niche models.

They are capable of a lot more...they just don't do it.
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Those 2 RWD platforms, one is for a convertible, and one is for a mid engined car; these were made to show what Honda can do. Honda doesn't care whether they make money or lose money on those 2 cars since they account for very little production/sales. Honda just wants those cars to be as unique as possible. For example, they could've put in a tuned J32 engine in the S2000 rather than the 2.0L 9000rpm engine.

In other words, Honda is playing safe, like you've suggested. Honda is different than Nissan, in a way that, Nissan failed miserably before with its strategy, which caused it to be consumed by Renault. Nissan's past shows that what they were doing was not profitable and they needed a big change, and as we can see, it's pretty successful now. Honda on the other has been doing great all along, I believe they are the 2nd best selling brand in Japan now. In North America, Acura is also enjoying success in terms of sales, the only problem is its image, if it weren't for the death of Soichiro Honda, the 3rd gen Legend would've been a great car, the NSX would've received its much needed update, etc. The 3rd gen Legend, or the 1st gen RL, with its mediocre performance, handling, etc, really hampered Acura's image. Honda acted too slowly as it focused too much making hybrids and its bread and butter family cars. That's a main problem when the company isn't very large like Toyota. Honda wants to "globalize" Acura as it will introduce the brand in Japan in 2010. I have feeling they will spend more resources on Acura. For now, they got rid of the RSX, which should help the image a bit, while the introduction of SH-AWD would set the brand apart from other makers. If Acura really wants to go AWD, it should start promoting better though as its marketing simply sucks.
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There's nothing wrong with Honda by being playing safe. But by playing it too safe, I hardly see how Honda can transform the Acura brand to be a true luxury marque. The $50K price tag for the current RL is definitely not a safe move. It's just not good enough to dazzle buyers with features, Acura also needs to dazzle buyers with bargain prices. But if Acura has become a true luxury marque, then it would be a totally different ballgame.

Attracts buyers, gains positive publicity, gets the momentum going first. The 2nd gen TL had always been the best selling near-luxury sedan year after year because it was praised as best value buy everywhere throughout the auto world. The 3rd gen TL is no longer recommended as best value buy. But the momentum is so strong that even the highly publishized 2nd gen transmission problem hardly put a dent in the sales figure for the 3rd gen TL.

Getting rid of the RSX is a good start. Globalizing the Acura brand is also a good move because then Honda can't rebadge Honda products as Acura products all over the world.

The SH-AWD gimmick for the Acura RL is a complete flop. Buyers are not rushing in just because SH-AWD comes standard on the RL. They are simply not willing to pay $50K for the car even loaded with the state of the art SH-AWD and stuffs. If the car is too expensive, it is too expensive. No amount of marketing can fix it. However, $10K rebates will certainly do the job nicely. So work on the pricing first, bring in the customers, generate positive publicity, build up the image, gain momentum, then raise price gradually just like the TL and the LS400. This process will be long, it will be painful, but at least there's a chance it may work.

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In other words, Honda was to ambitious when it launched the RL and priced way to high. It shows that it takes time for people to accept a product or a brand in this case. It's good to hear that at least they are putting SH-AWD in the more main stream models like the RDX and MDX. By the way, at least those two cars don't look like they are glorified CRV's or Pilots (as opposed to the relationship between the Highlander and Harrier or Toyota, as well as Camry and ES350).

If Honda did well if the 3rd gen Legend (1st gen RL), its image today could've been a lot better. The mistake back then was too big. It wasn't innovative, it didn't excel in any category. It's too conservative. But then again, that's a IF...
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It's good to hear that at least they are putting SH-AWD in the more main stream models like the RDX and MDX. By the way, at least those two cars don't look like they are glorified CRV's or Pilots (as opposed to the relationship between the Highlander and Harrier or Toyota, as well as Camry and ES350).
This doesn't come as a surprise because the latest TL, RDX, and MDX are all designed in Honda R&D Americas' design centers in California specifically for the North American Acura market. A very good strategy for future Acura products.
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Report: Fiat CEO confirms U.S. launch for Alfa Romeo in 2012

After a near two-decade hiatus from the United States market, Fiat’s sumptuous Alfa Romeo brand will reportedly return to the Colonies in 2012. Fiat’s plan to revive the Alfa Romeo brand in the United States has been in flux since the Italian automaker acquired a 20 percent stake in Chrysler last year.

According to the latest Automotive News report, Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne has confirmed that the company’s Alfa Romeo brand will return to the United States in 2012. “I’m a lot more confident now that Alfa Romeo will reconstitute a product offering that is acceptable globally, and more in particular in the United States and Canada,” Marchionne reportedly said at an event in Toronto. “There is a strong likelihood that the brand will be back here within the next 24 months.”

Inside sources have revealed the company’s 159-replacing Giulia models would be the first to come online in the United States, likely hitting the market in mid-2012. The U.S. should have access to two of the front-driver’s body styles – a sedan and wagon.

Following sometime in 2013 will likely be an Alfa Romeo model based on Chrysler’s next-generation 300. The Alfa version would be built alongside the Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger in Brampton, Ontario, possibly even for global export.
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I know models take a long time to come to market but this seems unusually long. I hope Fiat and Chrysler are around long enough to see some of these models come out.
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I really want to see new Fiat and Alfa models on the roads in the US.
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alfas look so gorgeous...
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http://content.usatoday.com/communit...ietta-4c-500/1

Alfa Romeo, Alfa Romeo. Where art thou Alfa Romeo? Looks like the Italian brand is going to take a little longer to return to the U.S.


Fiat's sporty Alfa Romeo brand will be reintroduced to the U.S. starting in 2013, not 2012 as planned, the brand's top executive, Harald Wester, told analysts in Frankfurt today.

Fiat-owned Alfa is delaying re-entry into the U.S. until 2013, but the fate of an American-market Giulietta wasn't made clear.
That's bad news for the 100 or so U.S. Fiat dealers who signed up to take that brand because they were promised models from Fiat's Alfa and possibly Lancia brands to fill their showrooms. U.S. Fiat dealers currently have only the Fiat 500 mini-car to sell.

"The icing on the cake for us as retailers is the Alfa Romeo franchise," is how Fiat dealer Carl Galeana puts it. He operates Fiat of Lakeside, in Macomb, Mich., north of Detroit. Many Americans still are nostalgic for the Alfa Romeo, the car that Dustin Hoffman's character drives in the classic film, The Graduate.

Economic uncertainty in Europe is prompting Fiat executives to review what products to launch where and when.


Alfa said the 4C, a two-seater, still is planned as the first U.S.-market Alfa Romeo.

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The fate of a U.S.-market Giulietta, a compact that's considered roomy, stylish and powerful in Europe. A car based on the Giulietta is expected to be built in the U.S. by Fiat-controlled Chrysler Group and sold as a Dodge.

A Chrysler business plan publicized in November 2009 showed a Fiat-based Dodge compact, apparently derived from Giulietta, in 2012. A Fiat plan from April 2010 shows the Giulietta going into the North American market as an Alfa Romeo model in 2014, the same year the car gets significant changes.

Giulietta is key because it fits the size and price category where Chrysler's Dodge brand lacks a credible entry, and because the car, as an Alfa product, would fit a slot attractive to American buyers -- premium, sporty, Euro compact with exceptional fuel economy.

A Euro-market model called Giulietta Veloce uses a 1.4-liter, four-cylinder, "MutliAir" gas engine similar to what's in the Fiat 500, but turbocharged to produce 170 horsepower and 180 pounds-feet of torque. It hasn't been tested by the U.S. government, but on the European test cycle is rated 36 mpg in "urban" conditions, 61 mpg in "extra-urban" driving and 49 mpg in combined use, according to data from Honeywell, which makes the vehicle's turbocharger.

Even if the U.S. test procedures knocked down the ratings by a hefty one-third, the car still would be rated about 33 mpg in combined city/highway use, good enough to top all non-hybrid small cars, according to the government's fuel-economy ratings list.
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Alfa Romeo new mega engine

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Alfa Romeo has revealed plans for a super-high performance 1.8-litre turbocharged petrol engine, according to reports in the Italian press.

The new engine, which has been designed for both transverse and longitudinal installation, will produce 296bhp, a remarkable 165bhp per litre.

An all-aluminium unit, it will be fitted with high-pressure (200bar) fuel injection and is thought to use the unique Multiair variable valve timing set-up.

Alfa says that new engine will meet both the ultra-strict European EU6 and US Tier2Bin5 air pollution regulations.

The engine is expected to make its debut in the new Giulia, which replaces the 159 range in early 2014.

However, the fact that it can be mounted longitudinally, also makes it a racing certainty to be fitted to Alfa’s upcoming rear-drive flagship saloon, which is based on the Chrysler 300C.
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^ those stats are impressive but I have to wonder about the long term reliability of such an engine.
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From here: Alfa Romeo Announces Two New Engines Including Ferrari-Derived Six-Cylinder

At present the only Alfa Romeos on sale on these shores is the 4C sports car and its 4C Spider convertible variant. Over the coming years, the automaker will start adding more models to its lineup, with an aim to have at least eight separate model lines by 2018. This will also require the addition of more engines, but rather than borrow units from sister brand Fiat, as has been the case in the past, Alfa plans to introduce new, more exciting powerplants.

In an announcement made this week, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles [NYSE:FCAU] CEO Sergio Marchionne confirmed that Alfa Romeo will start production of two new engines at a plant in Termoli, Italy. Both engines are for future Alfa Romeos and, as such, will play an important role in the brand’s global relaunch.

One is described as a “high-output” four-cylinder, with the second said to be a “Ferrari-derived” six-cylinder. No specifics were released but according to a previous report, both engines will be available in either gasoline or diesel flavors. The gasoline units are said to displace 2.0 and 2.9 liters respectively (by making the V-6 smaller than 3.0 liters, Alfa will be able to escape punitive taxes based on enginedisplacements in key markets such as China), while the diesel mills are said to displace 2.2 and 3.0 liters respectively.

The most potent engine will reportedly be a twin-turbocharged and direct-injected V-6 with as much as 480 hp on tap. This unit will likely be reserved for high-performance Alfa Romeos, tipped to wear the “GTA” badge. Note, Ferrari may build its own version of the engine for use in a rumored six-cylinder sports car.

Work to retool the Termoli plant for the new engines is already underway. With installed production capacity for the two engines of more than 200,000 units, the plant will be capable of meeting approximately half of the total volumes projected in Alfa Romeo’s plan for 2018.

“This high-tech project is an integral part of our bet on Alfa Romeo,” Marchionne said. More than 500 million euros ($537 million) have been allocated for the development of the engines and retooling of the plant.

The first Alfa Romeo to feature the new engines will be the long-awaited 159 replacement, which will be revealed this June and should be on sale in the U.S. early next year.
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Baby Stelvio?

https://carbuzz.com/news/could-this-...g-baby-stelvio

The current Alfa Romeo Stelvio has proven itself to be a very accomplished SUV. With up to 503 horsepower on offer from the range-topping Quadrifoglio, it is very well placed to take on the established players like the Porsche Macan and new BMW X3 M40i. Rumors of a smaller crossover than the Stelvio have been doing the rounds for a while now although there has been no official confirmation of this from Alfa Romeo just yet.

So it was with some surprise that an Alfa Romeo customer in Winnipeg spotted what appeared to be a concept render of just such a car on his dealership’s social media stream.
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Alfa Castello

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Alfa Romeo reportedly has a second, larger SUV under consideration, and a new rendering from Motor1.com's Italian team imagines how the bigger crossover might look. Allegedly, the model carries the moniker Castello, which is Italian for "castle." According to our Italian colleagues, this name would work because there's a famous alpine pass called Passo di Castello, which fits with the Stelvio that's also named after a mountain road. In addition, there's the Castello Sforzesco fortress in Alfa's home city of Milan. The title fits well with FCA's Dodge Durango Citadel, too.

The Castello reportedly rides on the same Giorgio platform as Alfa Romeo existing Stelvio and the Giulia. It would measure around 193 inches (4.9 meters) long, instead of 184.6 inches (4.688 meters) for the existing Stelvio. Seating for five or seven passengers would be available, depending on a buyer's needs. The powertrain options remain a mystery but likely include a base 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder, a hybrid version to electrify this engine, and the twin-turbo 2.9-liter V6 for the range-topping Quadrifoglio version. A plug-in hybrid might be available, too.

Alfa Romeo will primarily market the Castello in the United States and China as a way to help the brand's growth plans. It'll likely be too big to match European tastes, though. Our colleagues from Motor1.com Italy are expecting the new Alfa Romeo flagship SUV by the end of 2019 or early 2020.

Given the success of the Stelvio, it's easy to imagine the Castello being a success in the crossover-loving North American market. From January to September 2018, the brand has delivered 9,044 Stelvios in the United States, versus 8,933 examples of the Giulia and just 183 units of the 4C in the same period.
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https://www.motor1.com/news/305926/a...ossover-rumor/

Based on the product roadmap released at the beginning of June last year, it’s safe to say Alfa Romeo has a bright future up ahead. While enthusiasts are eagerly waiting for exciting performance cars such as the revival of the GTV Coupe and the 8C, FCA knows the real money is in the crossover segment. For this reason, Alfa’s top priority right now is to “sandwich” the Stelvio in the lineup by introducing two new high-riding models – one below and one above. In addition, the Stelvio will get a mid-cycle refresh by 2022 and it’ll also spawn a long-wheelbase derivative for extra rear legroom.

But we’re here to talk about the latest juicy rumor, with our Greek pals from Autoblog.gr learning from a trusted source about Alfa Romeo’s plan for the upcoming 2019 Geneva Motor Show. If the report is accurate, it means we are only a few days away from the world premiere of a compact crossover since the show will open its doors to the media on March 5. An online debut could take place even sooner.

It is believed the yet-to-be-named Alfa Romeo CUV will ride on the same platform as the Jeep Renegade rather than on a downsized version of the Giorgio architecture underpinning the Giulia sedan and the Stelvio. Production of the smaller crossover is programmed to take place at the Pomigliano plant in Italy, according to a report published by Automotive News Europe at the end of November 2018.

A plug-in hybrid version of the Alfa Romeo compact crossover is said to be in the works, which wouldn’t be all that surprising considering the 2018-2022 plan calls for a total of six PHEVs. Using the same underpinnings as the Renegade (and Fiat 500X), it means there will be both front- and all-wheel-drive versions.
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