I recall reading a while back that Acura planned to keep production at 600 cars per year "globally", so I have little doubt that supply constriction will keep the cars at a premium for the first couple of years.

Hmmm... I've always heard 1200 per year. Guess Acura is scaling back on its expectations also :snicker:

it looks great in white...:toocool:

That is what i heard too. I think US will get half of it. divided by how many Acura dealerships in the US and how many are presold.

You left with nothing.

No debate there. :nod:

Looks pretty quick, was that posted on vapor tube? :twiggie:

dealer said they went back to customers on waiting list

told them due to market demand the price for base model will be $210k

don't know if true or bs

of course it's slanted. please tell me, when considering a high end sports car, how often is WEIGHT the first thing mentioned? especially when the car is running 0-60 mph in 2.9 seconds i.e. its not slow? come on man.

At 3800 lbs, this car is 300 more than the Corvette Z06 and I think over 800 more than the ORIGINAL NSX.

This NSX is apparently benchmarked against the Ferrari 458Italia which is 3274 lbs and the R8 -- where both engine variants are lighter in weight.



But, you tell me...from what I know, most car people do care about curb weight but you're the dude running with all the billionaires...So, why don't you ask them?

And just for you: I changed the title. Hope you feel better. No difference to me. :rofl:

the 918 weighs 3700 lbs and is one of the highest performing production cars right now. hybrid powertrain is going to add some weight.

Bad comparison. The 918 has nearly 900 hp.

bad comparison. The 918 is nearly 5 times the price of the NSX.

^^^^^

Conclusion : at 5x the price of the NSX, the 918's 900hp can more than offset its heavy 3700lbs curb weight.

Also, remember batteries run out of juice eventually. How long will the NSX batteries last, how quickly can they recover? Will the NSX be a 1 lap pony making it a 500hp rwd only 3800lb car in a 600+ world of cars??

No valid comparison, price or not it simply has more hp to cope with the weight. Especially when E power starts to diminish.

Are you suggesting that the additional horsepower comes at that cost? If so, you might want to reconsider in light of cars that have a hellcat motor.

lol Nexx , stick to your 4G, err i mean TLX.

Actually I drive a 2016 rlx, I bought the tlx for my lady. And my weekend warrior is built and boosted 350z.

Valid comparison for chassis dynamics, you still have to brake and corner.
HP doen't help cornering and forces.

Also very valid for their mid-engined powertrain, both are AWD with FWD electric and RWD hybrid.

Yep, it's a expensive piece of hand-built technology with a nice CF tub.

The 900HP won't help the laws of physics and friction circle for +/-X (cornering) and -Y (braking).

Like all hybrids it regenerates electrical potential energy under braking. The question is how efficiently.

Again not for cornering and braking.

Context, Legend, context. His comment was about the weight, only. That was what I responded to. You're expanding the discussion.

Did you really think a hybrid AWD 2G NSX was going to weight in close to the 1G NSX, RWD gas only 458 or C7? :tongue:

I was curious so a V10 R8 with DCT is 3660.

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which is were I thought the 2G NSX was going to weight. For it's configuration, it could stand to lose perhaps 200 lb.

Can it, Stomps On LEGO...Weight does not matter and apparently, my editing of this thread a few days ago was skewing the argument.

Fat cars need love too. :O

Nope it was about performance and weight, I was pointing out what any decent vehicle mechanical engineer would also observe. You gotta stop and turn as well. :2cents:

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the 918 weighs 3700 lbs and is one of the highest performing production cars right now. hybrid powertrain is going to add some weight.

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I love this fatty....

http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpap...escreen-28.jpg

So is a C7 Z06 not fat at 3524 lbs?

:nod:

Right...he tried to equate the performance and the weight of both cars and suggested that the weight impact of the NSX wouldn't impair its performance vis-a-vis its competitors because the 918 was the poster-child in his example. He failed to account for the HP impact on performance measures, which is a significant factor when it comes to pushing that weight around.

Now, if you're suggesting that *performance* is only a chassis/handling/braking thing, well, I don't agree with that. Certainly important, but I'm not sure that use of the term *performance* (which excludes HP and TQ) is universal. HP and TQ still factor into how *performance* is measured, IMO.

So...my counter-questions: What's the price of the C7...? How does it perform overall...?

Nope, YOU (as in YOU!:tomato:) are trying to imply that. Not me.:tongue:

I'm pointing out there's more factors (power, brakes, mass, Cg, loading, Cf, mass dist., geometries,...) to a car's performance than just power and weight, something lost in this discussion.

Anybody who's ever being to a track day can tell you that. :2cents:

You didn't answer the Z06 weight question.

No need to be a smart-ass. I was just trying to understand your position. Sorry for misunderstanding. It seemed like you were excluding HP and Tq from the performance discussion.

I have no doubt the NSX will be a fine handling car. But equating it to the 918 (as skd did) is a poor comparison inasmuch as (arguably) the 918 is at least as good as the NSX in the handling and braking categories, weighs only slightly less, but has approximately 60% more HP.

I'm only a smart-ass on Wednesdays:tongue:

:cheers:But OK, yes I should have clarified my position better to include all aspects of forces (including acceleration as well as deceleration and lateral forces) as well as dynamics of vehicle operation.

Also iforyou pointed out in the previous page that Porsche does not appear to add HP correctly for a hybrid powertrain (different RPM peaks). So if you summed the NSX HP that way one would get 619HP or the 918 (893) is ~44% more powerful, but still alot more powerful.

I would still like to see some reasonable comparison tests between the various cars in this class to see how well the NSX performs. From the initial reports there appears to be some serious problems using all-season tires for a high performance car, and perhaps the various ECU modes can be refined some.

I've never driven a 1G NSX but one common trait I read about is how easy they are to drive up to it's limits compared to other cars of it's day. I'm curious if the 2G copies that trait.

Just under 3300lbs... :rice:

It was a yes/no question.
Do you mean that anything under 3300lbs is not fat?

Legend, I'm not saying the NSX sucks...not even close. But, I'm also disappointed with the numbers given how long we've waited and waited and waited. It's not an indication that I think the car sucks.

Just that, with Honda/Acura for me lately? It always leaves me wishing for a bit more...?

That's all I'm saying.

Total package. What's the price? How much HP are we talking about...? :)

Actually, according to Motor Trend, it seems like the new R8 V10 Plus will be over 3800lb..like the NSX.

If we want to talk about E power being diminished, then here are some facts.

918 engine power: 608hp
918 weight: 3724lb
918 power/weight ratio: 6.1lb/hp

NSX engine power: 500hp
NSX weight: 3803lb.
NSX power/weight ratio: 7.6lb/hp

% difference under engine power only: 24%

918 Full power: 887hp
918 weight: 3724lb
918 power/weight ratio: 4.2lb/hp

NSX Full power: 573hp
NSX weight: 3803lb.
NSX power/weight ratio: 6.6lb/hp

% difference under full power: 58%

It's pretty clear that if both cars are out of juice, the performance difference becomes over 50% smaller.

Will the $1mil 918 be a 1 lap pony making it a 600hp only 3724lb car in a 600+ world of cars that cost around $200k??

:popcorn:

They should have initially put out a supercharged (or turbo'ed) 3.5DI mid engine coupe with SH-AWD then followed it up with the performance hybrid system that could get it north of 500hp... I don't understand why they made it so complicated and now so expensive. Its a shame.