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Fibonacci 10-26-2015 08:05 PM

Note to Acura, can I please get a swap of the 9DCT for the POS ZF 9AT in my TLX please. Because trickle down.

kthxbye

Fibonacci 10-26-2015 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by ttribe (Post 15593348)
Now, that's just crazy-talk.

Guilty as charged! :loco:

skd2k1 10-26-2015 08:15 PM

I'm totally unhappy with the placement of the air conditioning vents.

glad they finally released specs. :thumbsup:

Fibonacci 10-26-2015 08:22 PM

For the folks who insist on natural aspiration, lighter weight, 6MT, cheaper, purity of RWD, no batteries blah~blah... might I invite you to join the subscription for the Viper thread, heard its selling like hotcakes.

SSFTSX 10-26-2015 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by oonowindoo (Post 15592967)
i am actually very surprised about the torque #s given it has turbo and battery.

The car with "similar tech"

918 AWD
Horsepower: 887 HP
Torque: 944 lb-ft

RLX Sport Hybrid with upgraded tires
Horsepower: Infinite
Torque: More than you can count

573 bhp/476ft-lb is among the top numbers consider the long life of engine system. This thing will still have highest resale values of any car after 15 years. this 918 will be in museum.
NSX is heavier car to give that luxury experiance.


https://media.caranddriver.com/image...-s-986x603.jpg

http://acuraconnected.com/wp-content...5_08_14_17.jpg

SSFTSX 10-26-2015 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by Nexx (Post 15593143)
so far so good. i wasnt expecting 1000hp car nor was i excepting 3200lbs car with 3 electric motors. we still havent seen any performance numbers yet so how we not bury this thing until they test it.

Its torque vectoring AWD twin turbo car with electric motors and built it with latest safety features.
Even the $1.4m laferrari weighs 3500lbs and its only RWD.
Ferrari LaFerrari Hypercar TESTED! ? Review ? Car and Driver

VR1 10-26-2015 10:40 PM

Came into thread slightly disappointed by the specs. Left thread not disappointed.

Yumcha 10-26-2015 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by ttribe (Post 15593245)
Will I likely ever end up owning a LaFerrari? No, but I'm an enthusiast, so I like talking about it.

Will I likely ever own a McClaren? No, but I'm an enthusiast, so I like talking about it.

Will I likely ever own an Aston Martin? No, but I'm an enthusiast, so I like talking about it.

Need I go on?

BTW, the real key here is that NO ONE FORCED YOU TO READ THIS THREAD.

It's MCLAREN! :spanky: :spanky: :spanky: :spanky:

Yumcha 10-26-2015 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by oonowindoo (Post 15593316)
without the battery it will become a 400hp-450hp 3500 RWD car...

and it is popular to charge more for less these days, i will not be paying $150-200k for a 400hp car that weighs 3500 lbs.... type R or not.

You nimrod. The Type S version of the NSX will come with bigger rims, a different spoiler...a Type S badge. And some red stitching to your seats.

All of that will be an extra 300HP. :O

ttribe 10-26-2015 11:26 PM


Originally Posted by Yumcha (Post 15593481)
It's MCLAREN! :spanky: :spanky: :spanky: :spanky:

:tomato:

Joneill44 10-26-2015 11:29 PM

I didnt want to hurt his feelings again after the GT1 incident.

Majofo 10-26-2015 11:35 PM


Originally Posted by Yumcha (Post 15593481)
It's MCLAREN! :spanky: :spanky: :spanky: :spanky:

:spit:

ttribe 10-26-2015 11:35 PM


Originally Posted by Joneill44 (Post 15593516)
I didnt want to hurt his feelings again after the GT1 incident.

:explode:

Yumcha 10-26-2015 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by Joneill44 (Post 15593516)
I didnt want to hurt his feelings again after the GT1 incident.

First he doesn't recognize a GT1 and now, he misspells one of the greatest car companies out... :bored:





ttribe...you deserve to drive that slow 335i for eternity! I hope you suffer! :rant:

ttribe 10-26-2015 11:58 PM


Originally Posted by Yumcha (Post 15593521)
First he doesn't recognize a GT1 and now, he misspells one of the greatest car companies out... :bored:





ttribe...you deserve to drive that slow 335i for eternity! I hope you suffer! :rant:

Keep it up, Yummy, and we'll start talking about the difference between a real car and it's 1:18 scale replica.

SSFTSX 10-27-2015 03:22 AM

it sub-3 second. with Honda badge.

New Honda NSX review | Auto Express
The result is explosive acceleration. Honda still remains coy on an official 0-62mph time, but we heard whispers of a very believable sub three-second sprint time

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Legend2TL 10-27-2015 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by iforyou (Post 15592877)
There seems to be a lot of negativity here about the new NSX....

Here's my understanding based on all these reviews from C/D, MT, RT, AB, etc:

- The turbocharged V6 does NOT have VTEC
- Turbo lag is virtually non-detectable due to electric motors
- The NSX in quiet and sport mode is, as Honda promised, drives like a everyday's car.
- Things get more interested in Sport Plus mode.
- In Track mode with the Michelin's, the NSX is a beast.
- The optional Conti's are bad for track use but good for everyday's driving
- As predicted, the NSX is not light
- The NSX is fast, but the question is how fast? No one can comment on that unless a proper test and/or comparo is done.
- Steering feel comparable to 911's according to C/D

Subjectively, I thought this new NSX fits the NSX name plate - New Sportcar eXperimental. I can't think of any car in this price range that is quite like the new NSX (whether it's a good or bad thing greatly depends on one's preference). It's just like how the original NSX was twice as expensive as the R32 GTR, but the GTR at that time was actually faster. Was that good or bad?

I think the $150-200k market is now filled with different super cars with different characters. If you have that kind of money to spend on a car, there are a lot of choices available.

Add a few things

- Brake by wire, I was not expecting that but the reviews are pretty good for the system. AFAIK, that's a first for Acura/Honda.
- Also for the brake by wire, they used a stepper motor versus a hydraulic actuator but still got excellent feel and response.
- the performance gap between the everyday Conti's and high performance Michellins is pretty large. Although I can understand trying to get a street tire that can handle an occasional shower, and last more than 1-2K miles.
- double lower balljoint on front suspension. Never seen that on any Honda/Acura before, seen on alot of German cars (BMW, Audi).
- yes, the gearbox sounds really good from the reviews
- also a little surprised how big a jump in performance between the various driving modes.
- perhaps the S/W & F/W engineers will tweak the handling code some more before production. The transition from the various modes causing minor to moderate understeer to mild oversteer. A common tech theme in modern cars no matter Porsche, Ferrari or even C7. Hopefully the code can dial out some of the moderate understeer.
- also surprised that Acura would even offer iron brake discs on a $150K car.
- And yes they $150-200K exotic market is pretty unusual and selective these days.

Overall sounds pretty nice, curious to see how it compares to the competition.

One thing that's missing in the discussion is what the original NSX was in one word, "balance". That's something that Gordon Murray and Mario Andretti used to glowingly describe the 1G as it had be carefully finetuned from it's suspension settings to it's throttle travel.

also be intereting what Murray and Andretti would say about the 2G.


Originally Posted by Fibonacci (Post 15593340)
Performance is better than 99.9% of existing road cars.

95% of the performance of a 918 for 1/6th the price, what is not to like?

I might even argue that it looks better than a 918.

On paper it looks better than a 918. I've seen 918's for the last two Amelia Concours and compared to a P1 or 458 is kinda dull and boring. Amazing car technology wise but it's exterior styling compares to what's underneigh which is pretty special.

Legend2TL 10-27-2015 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by Yumcha (Post 15592868)
Unreal. I waited and waited and waited and waited and bittered and waited and venomed and waited and waited and snarked and waited and waited and waited and bittered s'more and waited and waited and spewed more venom and waited and waited and snarked and waited and waited for these mediocre specs and the fact the NSX is an overweight fat@$$ trying to keep up with the Germans.



Honda: You idiots.

You're just upset the Pats are 6-0 and next year #199 will have another ring and be driving around sunny CA with Gisele in a NSX with his 6 supple balls in the front truck. :biggrin:

kurtatx 10-27-2015 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Fibonacci (Post 15593371)
For the folks who insist on natural aspiration, lighter weight, 6MT, cheaper, purity of RWD, no batteries blah~blah... might I invite you to join the subscription for the Viper thread, heard its selling like hotcakes.

This is the unfortunate reality. The manuals are more than dead at this point, and rear-biased AWD and the hybrid drivetrain just make the car a lot more practical.

This isn't the Ford GT. I believe Honda expects to build a lot more of these.

Legend2TL 10-27-2015 09:05 AM

2017 Acura NSX Technical Introduction - Honda News

Light reading, mostly marketing but some interesting technical info

2017 ACURA NSX: Introduction

History
When the original Acura NSX made its debut 25 years ago, it forever changed the supercar universe by combining scintillating sports car styling and athletic performance—common traits long associated with the exotic car segment—with a new dimension of quality, exceptional ergonomics, comfort, and dynamic poise. The NSX introduced and defined Acura's approach to "Precision Crafted Performance" with its cutting-edge design and innovative technology that provided accessible supercar performance for real drivers in the real world.

By making use of advanced new technologies such as a lightweight yet rigid all-aluminum monocoque body/chassis and a mid-mounted transverse V6, the original NSX challenged the conventional wisdom for a supercar. Its high-revving V6 engine featured a number of innovative production car technologies including forged pistons, titanium connecting rods and VTEC valve train.

Moreover, the NSX sought a more intimate connection between the car, the driver and the road underneath them, pursued through essential design elements – light weight, open and airy cockpit, and excellent ergonomics – creating an altogether new and paradigm-challenging definition of supercar performance.

Next Generation Concept
The overarching concept for the design and development of this next-generation NSX was the idea of a "human-centered supercar," one that places the driver at the center of its mission in each and every element of its design and dynamic performance.

Respecting the foundational concepts of the original NSX—accessible supercar performance, everyday drivability, and openness to new technology—this next-generation NSX pursues an altogether new and revolutionary concept of Acura supercar performance – melding timeless NSX values with advanced technologies to create a New Sports eXperience.

Advanced Fundamentals (Timeless NSX Values)
First and foremost, the engineering team felt a tremendous responsibility to continue the fundamental innovation pursued by the original NSX team. Four foundational philosophies are fundamental to the timeless NSX values and essential to realize the new NSX concept and goals:

Total Airflow Management – a wholistic approach to thermal management and aerodynamic performance that supports and enhances dynamic response and high-speed stability without the need for active aero devices
Human Support Cockpit – a cabin that supports the driver and amplifies the driving experience with no sacrifice to comfort or everyday usability
Multi-Material Body – light and ultra-rigid body, applying material, construction and joining methodology optimized to the mission of each body component
Advanced Sports Package – optimizing the design and packaging in all the above aspects—the human package, the body, and finally the key components of the power unit to lower and center the mass of the vehicle.
Advanced Technologies
With these fundamentals in place, NSX engineers could effectively develop technical solutions needed to deliver the New Sports driving experience they sought.

To fully realize this New Sports eXperience, Acura electrifies the advanced fundamentals by leveraging its longstanding Direct Yaw Control knowhow through its Sport Hybrid Super Handling All-Wheel-Drive (SH-AWD) system, the first of its kind in the supercar realm.

The NSX concept for "zero delay" is more than acceleration, actually involving every aspect of the driver interface … the capacity to directly respond to the driver's demands in all three phases of driving: Go, Stop, Turn (acceleration, braking and cornering). The NSX's advanced power unit supports this achievement. Zero delay acceleration and active AWD traction power the NSX out of corners. Energy recovery supports direct and linear braking. And power strategically applied to the wheels directly creates a yaw moment to help turn the car according to the driver's will.

Marrying new approaches to vehicle design fundamentals, including advanced body construction, component packaging and aerodynamic optimization, with an advanced and electrified new expression of Acura's direct yaw control concept results in a supercar that faithfully translates the inputs of the driver with incredible fidelity and zero delay while minimizing the driver's workload—qualities that define the New Sports eXperience.

Design, Development and Manufacturing
Development of the next-generation NSX involved a global team of engineers and designers, with development of the Sport Hybrid power unit centered in Tochigi, Japan. Development of the body, chassis, electrical, interior and other vehicle technologies including total system integration, was concentrated in Raymond, Ohio. Initial styling design for the NSX was conducted at the company's Wako design studio in Japan, and was evolved for production by the Acura Design Studio in Los Angeles.

Throughout its roughly four-year development, the fundamental "human-centered supercar" concept for the next-generation NSX remained clear and consistent. However, the technologies and means by which the R&D team would realize their concept underwent a process of continual improvement and evolution, most notably in the area of engine design. Whereas the original direction called for a transverse-mounted, normally aspirated V6, the NSX development concept evolved to a new and more challenging approach: an all-new bespoke twin-turbocharged, longitudinally mounted V6. This radical re-imagination of the engine design had profound implications for every element of the NSX design—the package, cooling, aerodynamics, chassis and more.

The NSX has been tested and tuned on streets and race circuits around the world. Primary development was conducted at the Transportation Research Center adjacent to Honda R&D Americas Ohio Center as well as the Honda Takasu proving ground in northern Japan before moving to tracks such as Virginia International Raceway and the famed Nürburgring, followed by global "genteki" events ("at-the-spot" verification) which took NSX on public roads throughout the U.S. and Europe and beyond.

Construction of the NSX will take place at the new Performance Manufacturing Center (PMC) in Marysville, Ohio. The PMC was designed to innovate both the means and the methods of producing low-volume specialty cars and to realize challenging new ideas for next-generation craftsmanship and quality established by the NSX manufacturing team.

The PMC employs approximately 100 associates, including 70 highly skilled manufacturing technicians engaged in body construction, painting, assembly and quality confirmation of the NSX. Among its many innovative processes is the use of robotic MIG welding for the construction of the NSX's aluminum space frame.

The NSX's bespoke twin-turbocharged V6 engine is assembled by master engine builders at the company's engine plant in Anna, Ohio. The engine is broken in on a dyno so that it's track-ready when it leaves the factory. Then it's mated to a direct drive motor (part of the hybrid system) and precision balanced as an assembly. Its bespoke 9-speed dual clutch transmission is then attached to the engine and this portion of the total power unit is sent to the PMC. The Twin Motor Unit (TMU) and other hybrid system components are built in Japan and shipped to Ohio for final assembly, completing the overall power unit.

2017 ACURA NSX: Dynamic Performance

Dynamic Concept
The NSX was created to revolutionize supercar performance, delivering a more vivid, immediate and intuitive dynamic experience with zero-delay acceleration, braking and handling – such that the vehicle responds according to the "will" of every driver's inputs, but truly comes "alive" in the hands of skillful drivers. Fundamental dynamic concepts are as follows:

Ultimate Rigidity – via the multi-material body, providing the foundation for the zero-delay translation of driver inputs through steering, throttle and brakes. The same strong foundation directly reacts the yaw moment created from our advanced technologies
Human Fit – exemplified by a cockpit that is optimized in every element of its design to support the driver and clarify the driving experience while providing outstanding comfort and class-leading ergonomics
Advanced Sports Package – optimizes the design and packaging of all major vehicle systems to lower and center the mass of the vehicle for incredible handling and dynamic response
Total Airflow Management – a new airflow management approach gives the NSX the superlative airflow management expected of a next-generation supercar, cooling is ducted through heat exchangers and then precisely directed to various exit locations to optimize drag and downforce.
Advanced Zero Delay Technologies – the capacity to directly respond to the driver's demands in all three phases of driving: Go, Stop, Turn
On Rails Cornering – translating driver inputs into vehicle responses with incredible fidelity and amplifying the capabilities of the driver and the car via direct yaw control with next-generation Sport Hybrid Super-Handling All Wheel drive
Fade-free braking – powerful, linear, predictable and virtually fade-free braking performance in all driving conditions via the seamless integration of high-performance mechanical (Brembo hydraulic) braking and hybrid motor assisted electro-servo (regenerative) braking
Acceleration – instant acceleration G feeling from the moment the driver engages the throttle, enhanced by the immediate torque response of three electric motors working in concert with the bespoke, twin-turbocharged V6 and 9-speed dual clutch transmission (9DCT)
FUNDAMENTAL ZERO DELAY TECHNOLOGIES:

Ultimate Rigidity (Multi-Material Body)
Like the original Acura NSX—the world's first all-aluminum supercar—the all-new NSX has a cutting-edge structure: its Multi-Material body, utilizes new materials and construction methods to create a platform with unprecedented dynamic rigidity.

Space frame torsional rigidity that surpasses anything in its class
Each suspension point is attached to precision machined castings—including the world's first automotive application of ablation casting technology—to provide the ultimate, local attachment point rigidity
Unparalleled platform rigidity transmits the full feeling of the Power Unit, suspension, and steering directly to the driver with zero delay, while maximizing the effectiveness of Direct Yaw Control to improve vehicle dynamics
Human Support Cockpit
From its minimalistic yet contemporary design to its careful application of materials in the seat and steering wheel the team sought to support the driver and clarify the driving experience. The interior of the all-new Acura NSX has a "human-centric" ergonomically-enhanced design theme for both the driver and passenger.

Since steering feel and performance are such an important aspect of the on-rails handling nature of the high-performance NSX, unusually detailed attention was paid to perfecting the steering wheel. This included maximizing grip via a more ergonomic shape and increasing surface contact for the hands, as well as easier operation of the paddle shifters.

To maximize forward visibility, specially designed A-pillars made of ultra-high-strength steel were incorporated into the design of the all-new Acura NSX. These new pillars are actually a full inch thinner than those of the original NSX, but offer enhanced safety performance.

Advanced Sports Package
The new Acura NSX Advanced Sports Package is a design philosophy that seeks to optimize the design and packaging of all major vehicle systems—the body, chassis and interior, including the mid-mounted Sport Hybrid Power Unit (engine, Direct Drive Motor and 9DCT) and key hybrid components including the Intelligent Power Unit (containing the lithium-ion battery pack), PDU and the TMU—to lower and center the mass of the vehicle for optimal handling and dynamic response.

While maintaining ground clearance similar to the highest volume sports car and expanding the head room to accommodate a 95th percentile American male, the new NSX has the lowest center of gravity among its core competitors.

Total Airflow Management
"In many ways, with the design of the all-new Acura NSX, you literally have form following function, so this was a really exciting vehicle to work on as an aerodynamicist," says Thomas Ramsay, the Aerodynamics and Cooling Project Leader on the new Acura supercar.

NSX's body shape was effectively designed to minimize aerodynamic drag while creating balanced front-to-rear downforce through a total airflow management focus on utilizing airflow through each vent, while extracting maximum energy from the airflow field to cool the brakes and manage power unit thermal loads.

Through extensive research and development, the NSX aerodynamics team determined that placing approximately three times as much downforce at the rear of the vehicle relative to the front of the car would provide the optimal downforce balance for high-performance driving as well as everyday functionality. Further evidence of the superior aerodynamics engineered into the NSX is that its high level of downforce is accomplished without the need for active aerodynamic bodywork or other devices.

Advanced Zero Delay Technologies:
With the Sport Hybrid SH-AWD, zero delay performance is ensured in virtually any driving scenario:

When accelerating, the system provides instantaneous torque via its three electric motors—the rear direct drive motor and front Twin Motor Unit—that is maximized at all four tires when accelerating or powering out of corners.
When trail-braking into a corner, the system utilizes the front TMU for enhanced deceleration—the advanced braking system works in concert with the vehicle's mechanical brakes to precisely decelerate, and the Direct Yaw Control delivers precise and immediate turn-in performance while allowing drivers to point their eyes toward the corner apexes.
When exiting a corner, the driver can pick up the throttle earlier and with more confidence and accelerate with added precision and as well as reduced workload.
"Using Honda's original beta method to consider overall handling performance, we've been exploring direct yaw control torque vectoring for over two decades," says Ted Klaus, Acura NSX Global Development Leader. "With the development of the Sport Hybrid Super-Handling All Wheel Drive System, we can take advantage of the superior responsiveness of the electric motor characteristics within the system powered by an independent Battery to significantly expand the benefits of direct yaw control."

By taking advantage of the immediate torque response of the system's three electric motors to heighten the control and effectiveness of direct yaw control, the Acura NSX Sport Hybrid SH AWD system elevates any driver's confidence and performance driving capabilities while extracting more performance from the car.

2017 ACURA NSX: Sport Hybrid Power Unit

Concept
The exceptional dynamic capabilities and zero-delay responses of the new NSX are enabled by the exploitation of advanced powertrain technologies. This concept of utilizing next-generation technology to deliver a New Sports eXperience is epitomized by the adoption of a Sport Hybrid power unit.

At the heart of this new hybrid power unit is a bespoke, mid-mounted twin-turbocharged, 75-degree 3.5-liter DOHC V6 engine with dry sump lubrication, mated to an all-new 9-speed dual clutch transmission (9DCT) and Direct-Drive Motor. This is augmented by the front Twin Motor Unit (TMU) driving the front wheels. The NSX Sport Hybrid power unit offers exceptional horsepower and torque with a broad powerband for tremendous throttle response and acceleration. Total system peak output is estimated at 573 horsepower—500 horsepower from the gasoline engine and 73 horsepower from the front TMU.

Twin-Turbocharged V6 Engine
Featuring a wide V-angle of 75 degrees to help lower the center of gravity, the NSX's twin-turbocharged V6 engine achieves the best balance between power production, overall compactness and reduced mass. With a displacement of 3.5 liters, it combines both direct injection and port injection, along with Variable Timing Control (VTC) to deliver optimal camshaft phasing, for precision combustion control throughout the entire rpm band while simultaneously achieving high power output and performance at high engine speeds.

Making use of an electronic wastegate for each turbocharger for faster response as well as more precisely varying vane positioning, the single-scroll turbocharger design allows for the use of smaller turbos to reduce weight and improve packaging, while still meeting power and performance benchmarks. Furthermore, their single-scroll design allows for more efficient collection of exhaust as it escapes from within the cylinders.

To reduce the response delay that is associated with turbocharged powerplants, the rear Direct Drive Motor acts directly on the engine's crankshaft and works in unison via a sophisticated algorithm to realize direct, high output, high torque acceleration performance. The enhanced efficiency of this design arrangement is particularly noticeable in normal everyday driving when accelerating from a low engine speed. Additionally, the rear electric motor also acts as a generator to provide supplemental power to the vehicles lithium ion battery pack, which also powers the front-mounted TMU.

Other key engine design elements include a sand-cast engine block, lightweight and compact cylinder heads, FC thermal spray coating on the engine block cylinder sleeves (for higher thermal efficiency, weight and compactness) and a dry sump lubrication system that significantly reduces the engine's center of gravity—allowing 61 mm reduction from the crank center to the engine bottom versus a conventional wet sump—while ensuring effective lubrication at high cornering speeds.

The NSX has a compact valve train utilizing swing arm-type valve actuators, helping to reduce the inertial weight of the valve train and allowing a more compact head structure. The structure is similar to those found in some Honda racing engines. Intake and exhaust variable cam timing (VTC) is deployed to provide an excellent balance of high power, torque, fuel economy, and emissions.

9-Speed Dual Clutch Transmission with Direct Drive Motor
The new 9-speed dual clutch transmission works in concert with the engine and Direct Drive Motor to make full use of the power unit's broad power band, producing lightning quick gear changes that support the NSX's zero-delay response. As a key component of the Advanced Sports Package, the 9DCT has been optimized for compact size, low mass and low CG.

The 9DCT has a very wide ratio range that allows for optimal gear selection in all driving conditions. First gear ratio is configured for maximum vehicle launch acceleration, while the close-ratio gears (2nd through 8th) are perfectly matched to make the most of the power unit's power band. Conversely, high gear (9th) has been optimized for fuel efficiency during steady-state highway cruising.

In efforts toward compactness and reduction of mass, the clutch and the differential are uniquely situated side-by side in a common housing. By adopting this design, overhang from the rear axle is minimized while the center of mass is moved forward.

Other advanced technologies incorporated into the 9-speed DCT are:

Electronically-operated wet dual clutch, a high-rigidity shift fork, double-cone synchronizer, and an electronic shift actuator to more precisely synchronize power unit torque with shift timing for the quickest and smoothest shifts possible
Precision surfaced high-efficiency hypoid bevel gear tooth shape for all gears for improved operation with reduced gear noise
Addition of two oil "rooms" within the transmission housing for more efficient and higher-capacity cooling
Clutch case and differential carrier integrated into the transmission for a more lightweight and compact structure
Lightweight high-strength gearbox case
Multiple-plate limited slip differential (LSD) provides increased traction when accelerating and cornering at the limits of adhesion
Twin Motor Unit (TMU)
The exceptional direct and linear acceleration and dynamic response of the new NSX is enabled in part by its front-mounted Twin Motor Unit (TMU). It is a major driving force in creating the vehicle's superlative zero-delay acceleration and can directly generate a yaw moment to support turning, and also recovers braking energy during deceleration.

The TMU provides instant torque as well as AWD traction, allowing direct and stress free launches from start. In addition to improving 0-to-60 mph and quarter-mile times, this zero-delay acceleration response allows the driver to experience a heightened sense of G-loading that invigorates the senses, an adrenaline rush as accelerative forces push the body into the seat. Most importantly, the Sport Hybrid SH-AWD works in harmony with the poised chassis and brake system to provide intuitive brake pedal and steering feel so the driver always feels completely in control.

The TMU is geared to support acceleration up to 200 kph, but continues to support Direct Yaw Control at all vehicle speeds. It is also a key enabling technology for driving in the Quiet mode setting of the IDS, allowing for hushed vehicle operation by operating the NSX as an electric vehicle.

Intelligent Power Unit (IPU)/Power Drive Unit (PDU)
The IPU integrates the lithium-ion battery pack and a high-voltage distribution bus bar, with voltage distribution controlled by the PDU. The newly developed lithium-ion battery pack allows for increased energy density and improved electrical output when compared to similar systems in existing vehicle models.

The Power Drive Unit (PDU) is centralized in a low position within the vehicle, hidden below the center console. The high-voltage lithium-ion battery is mounted within the Integrated Power Unit (IPU), which is in turn mounted behind the driver and passenger, forward of the firewall.

Engine at a Glance

Longitudinally mounted, 75-degree, 3.5-liter DOHC V6,
500 hp; 550 Nm torque
Twin single-scroll turbo chargers with electronic wastegate
Swing arm valve actuation
Variable timing control (VTC) for both intake and exhaust camshafts
Dry sump lubrication system
10.0:1 compression ratio
Direct and port injection
Drive-by-wire throttle system
9-Speed Dual Clutch Transmission

Competition-inspired, steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters
Close-ratio gears selected for maximum sports performance
Coordination between Sport Hybrid All-Wheel-Drive system and gearbox makes for ultra-quick and smooth shifts
Wide total gear ratio spread to maximize sporting performance as well as stress free and efficient steady-state highway driving

2017 ACURA NSX: Multi-Material Body

Concept
To realize the New Sports eXperience and to support new concepts in vehicle dynamics—in particular the direct yaw control effected by the torque vectoring capabilities of the front-mounted TMU and the direct, zero-delay response of the chassis to driver inputs—the NSX engineering team was challenged to create a new concept for body design that delivered ultimate rigidity while minimizing weight and meeting other critical targets such as visibility, crash safety performance and durability/quality/reliability (DQR).

The final result of this engineering challenge is the NSX multi-material space-frame which achieves structural rigidity far superior to its top-in-class competitors. More importantly, NSX drivers will feel their inputs directly translated to the car's actions with zero delay, while simultaneously allowing the maximum potential of the Sport Hybrid SH-AWD system to be felt by the driver.

Multi Material Space Frame
The aluminum-intensive space frame utilizes extruded and cast parts to provide exceptional rigidity and light weight.

In order to directly translate the direct yaw moment generated by the TMU, and to precisely deliver feedback to the driver with zero delay, individual aluminum castings have been utilized at each and every attachment point for the suspension. These castings are supported in all three dimensions (x, y, z) by optimized extrusions.

Utilizing Global and local optimization routines, each casting and extrusion was analyzed for potential weight savings. The result is that most extrusions have custom wall thickness and many have a different wall thickness for each of their sides.

Steel stampings have also been added to the architecture in certain areas where energy absorption is required, with supplemental aluminum stampings used where low weight is a key consideration. The front floor panels are constructed of carbon fiber core.

Ablation Cast Nodes
One of the most difficult design challenges in the development of the all-new Acura NSX was to minimize the front and rear overhangs of the vehicle while managing energy absorption in key areas for crash safety performance and to maintain desired structural rigidity. To solve the issues of crashworthiness and occupant protection, a particular challenge in mid-engine vehicles, traditional aluminum castings were rejected due to their brittle characteristics. Instead, engineers have applied an innovative new technology called "ablation" casting, an all-new material application and a world first in the automobile industry.

Jointly developed with Alotech, ablation casting technology is being utilized in the creation of six joining members, or nodes—two upper and two lower nodes in the front frame and two rear nodes. The front upper and rear nodes also serve as ultra-rigid suspension mounting points. The ablation casting process allows for the fine-tuning of both the cast part's shape, as well as the material properties of the castings in the energy-absorbing areas of the vehicle, while minimizing weight in the form of a hollow part with optimized wall thickness.

Unlike traditional castings, the high-strength and ductile properties of the aluminum ablation cast members allow these sections of the space-frame to progressively crush and are designed to withstand tremendous loads of up to 210 kN without breaking.

3-Dimensional Bent and Quenched Ultra-High-Strength A-Pillar
For the A-pillars, new advancements in ultra-high-strength steel parts forming provided a perfect solution that met the engineering team's goals for safety performance while maximizing forward visibility for the driver by reducing the A-pillar width. The original NSX was known for its outstanding forward visibility, giving drivers a feeling of being connected to the road, and this design attribute was considered essential to preserving a core characteristic of the NSX driving experience.

The NSX A-pillars have been precisely crafted using an all-new, three-dimensional forming and tempering process that allows for a complex parts shape with ultra-high tensile strength of 1,500 megapascals. This "3D bent and quenched" component is heated and then robotically bent. During the bending process the part is cooled and tempered (quenched) using water jets. This process enables a very small section A-pillar with precise shape specification and tolerances, yet meets the increased structural rigidity for roof-crush performance requirements.

The design and construction of the A-pillars in the new NSX represent the world's first application of a three-dimensionally formed, ultra-high-strength steel system to be used in this manner within the automotive industry.

Carbon Fiber Core Floor
When evaluating material composition and placement throughout the body, the design team determined that carbon fiber core would serve as the ideal material for the floor section forward of the seats. In addition to its light weight, this material is strong enough to handle the loads of driver and passenger placed upon it for vehicle ingress/egress. If aluminum had been used, the aluminum sheeting would have required additional cross-member frame support beneath it; this would have added additional weight.

Construction Techniques
A number of innovative construction techniques are used in the manufacture and assembly of the all-new Acura NSX at the company's new Performance Manufacturing Center in Marysville, Ohio.

100 percent of the aluminum space frame components are joined by Robotic Metal Inert Gas (MIG) welding, the first time to be applied in a mass-produced automobile on this scale. To aid the accuracy of the robotic weld process, the PMC utilizes an innovative rotating trunnion, or rotisserie-type, jig that rotates the part into the optimal position for the robotic weld arms, another first for automobile body construction.

Exceptionally high-quality and precise space-frame construction is accomplished via this innovative methodology which combines highly precise robotic control of the weld process with the advanced skills of PMC weld technicians. A robust in-line quality confirmation process, for both the quality of the weld and conformity of part to established specs, involves confirmation by both robotic measuring equipment and by highly skilled weld technicians at every stage of the construction process.

Other Exterior Body Design Highlights:

Aluminum and composite exterior body panels
Optional carbon fiber roof panel
SMC rear trunk
Flush outer door handle design
Magnesium fuel door hinge
Total Airflow Management
The NSX's team of aerodynamicists utilized a new total airflow management approach to give the NSX the superlative airflow management one expects of a next-generation supercar, while simultaneously providing the effective and highly efficient thermal management required for its hybrid power unit. There are seven different heat sources in the hybrid-based powertrain—the 3.5-liter V6 engine, twin turbochargers, the 9-speed DCT, Dual Clutch system, Power Distribution Unit, Twin Motor Unit. To provide efficient cooling, airflow is managed through 10 different heat exchangers.

Through the use of computational fluid dynamic (CFD) simulations as well as testing of 40-percent scale models in the company's advanced wind tunnel facility in Ohio, the NSX development team fine-tuned the various body shapes, intake and exhaust vents and vehicle strakes to reduce aerodynamic drag, create downforce, maximize cooling and efficiently exhaust unwanted heat.

The highly innovative total airflow management developments that were discovered and implemented into the new NSX by the Ohio team were later confirmed at the company's full-scale/moving ground plane wind tunnel in Japan.

Total Airflow Management Design Highlights:

Efficient cooling openings at the front of the vehicle to maximize cooling airflow across the key heat exchangers located within the front section (front engine radiators, twin motor unit cooler, condenser, the transmission gear cooler, hybrid Power Distribution Unit)
Optimized front exit flow paths considering total flow, maximum downforce, low coefficient of drag, and achieving downstream flow structure to feed the mid-engine air inlets
Wheel wake management vents work in conjunction with fender vents to stabilize airflow down the side of the vehicle, allowing the air to enter the signature side intakes for efficient cooling. The air that enters the side intakes is distributed to three areas: engine intake, engine room cooling, and turbo intercoolers.
Air flowing over the roof and down the rear hatch glass is captured to feed the transmission clutch cooler and introduce engine room cooling flow.
A rear diffuser works together with the rear spoiler and taillight slots to generate significant downforce and effectively manage the air wake generated behind the vehicle.
Optimization of front/rear downforce distribution for improved handling and stability
Human Support Cockpit
To develop an interior with exemplary ergonomics in terms of comfort and functionality, the Acura design team utilized a number of test drivers with wide-ranging driving backgrounds—from "regular" people to professional race drivers.—in order to gather information to improve all aspects of driver feel and comfort in the NSX.

Materials such as leather and Alcantara were carefully selected for the perfect combination of luxury comfort and dynamic driving support (such as lateral grip). Likewise, the center console/controls—designated as the Simple Sports Interface—have been designed to minimize the potential for distractions from the most important function—driving.

Stylish as well as structurally rigid and lightweight, the seats in the new NSX have been designed to offer superlative comfort and support. Alcantara is placed in the center section of the seat to increase lateral grip, while smoother leather is applied on the bolsters to allow freedom of torso rotation during cornering as well as easy of ingress and egress. Developed through extensive testing and pressure mapping measurements, these seats more in conjunction with the padded center console and door panel to provide whole body support during high G cornering.

2017 ACURA NSX: Chassis

Concept
The all-new 2017 Acura NSX chassis carries forward the tradition of sophisticated engineering and advanced design while taking on-rails handling performance, combined with sophisticated ride quality and refinement to an all-new level in the supercar class.

Athletic performance is assured through the Advanced Sport Package, a design and packaging concept that sees major components including the powertrain, fuel tank and lithium-ion battery pack optimized for compactness as well as outstanding weight distribution and an extremely low center of gravity (CG).

The platform of the NSX not only possesses the highest degree of structural rigidity ever engineered into an Acura vehicle, it also achieves the lowest levels of noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) of any competitive vehicle.

The highly rigid platform structure, advanced front and rear suspension with Magnetic Ride (MR) dampers, finely-tuned variable gear ratio electric power steering and next-generation Super Sports Brake Concept featuring Brembo performance brakes and regenerative braking capability inspire absolute driving confidence—whether taking a sweeping turn at high speed on the race track, negotiating a multitude of tight corners on a winding mountain road or taking an extended trip out on the open highway.

Drivetrain Packaging
With the newly designed twin-turbocharged 3.5-liter V6 engine, special consideration was given to how the engine would be secured to the chassis in order to achieve the highest structural rigidity while producing the lowest levels of noise, vibration and harshness (NVH). The solution was to create an engine cradle system that combines hydro-engine mounts with a rigid aluminum sub-frame plate that simultaneously supports the engine while acting as a vibration and noise inhibitor. Engine mounts are ideally located to minimize pitch and roll movement of the powertrain mass. Testing and analysis demonstrated that this novel configuration provides notably improved vehicle handling performance while exceeding targeted NVH levels.

Suspension
The NSX's all-aluminum, fully independent front and rear suspension system, equipped at all four corners with third-generation active magnetorheological (MR) dampers, is optimized for high-strength, low unspring weight, and supercar response while maintaining a high degree of comfort and ride compliance.

Front Suspension
The all-aluminum front suspension has been optimized with compact and lightweight components and suspension geometry developed for superior handling performance, crisp and communicative on-center steering feel, and excellent stability.

Additional specifics of the front suspension that help achieve exceptional handling performance and refinement include:

Double wishbone suspension design
Double ball joint lower arm design to eliminate the TMU drive force related steering feedback
Third-generation Acura MR dampers with even quicker response and the widest-ever damping range

Rear Suspension
Featuring lightweight all-aluminum components, the rear suspension employs a sophisticated independent multi-link design.

Rear suspension features:

Optimized multi-link geometry
High lateral rigidity
Third-generation Acura MR dampers with even quicker response and the widest-ever damping range
Steering
"It was a huge challenge to create a lively and communicative Electric Power Steering (EPS) for the driver that would be truly worthy of a next-generation Acura NSX," said Chris Dundon, Chief Chassis Engineer. "But by optimizing the mechanical components within the system, plus careful tuning of the software, we were able to achieve our goal of delivering highly responsive steering with outstanding driver feel."

A key design feature to help improve driver feel through the Electric Power Steering (EPS) system was the addition of dual ball joints for the front suspension lower arms, providing for substantially better "oneness with the road," according to Dundon.

The NSX makes use of a dual-pinion (with rack-mounted assist motor) electric power steering (EPS) system with a variable gear ratio. When on center, the ratio remains constant and is tuned for optimal high speed control and stability. Off center, the gear ratio becomes quicker for improved turn-in and maneuverability at low and mid speeds. This also minimizes the need for hand-over-hand motion to help drivers keep their hands on the steering wheel.

Furthermore, this sophisticated steering system links the vehicle stability assist (VSA) and EPS to help detect handling instability on slippery roads and under braking for greater vehicle control and an increased safety margin when driving in adverse conditions.

Next-Generation Super Sports Brake Concept
Seamlessly integrating both mechanical (friction) and electric-servo (regenerative) brake systems, the NSX provides exceptionally precise, linear and fade-free brake performance in almost any driving condition.

The Brembo braking system consists of large six-piston aluminum monoblock calipers with two-piece 14.5-inch ventilated rotors up front. The rear uses four-piston aluminum monoblock calipers and 14.0 inch ventilated rotors. A two-piece brake rotor eliminate rotor distortion at high heat allowing for consistent pad to rotor contact and improved heat dissipation. Themonoblock brake calipers have been designed with high rigidity to provide even pressure distribution. Ultra high-performance carbon ceramic brake rotors are available as a factory-installed option.

Excellent brake cooling at both front and rear has been achieved as an integral part of the total airflow management package. Extensive research and development work has been done to maximize the cooling efficiency and performance of the rear brake system. Typically, effective brake cooling at the rear of a mid-engine vehicle is difficult due to component packaging and proximity of the engine and transmission. NSX engineers devised a clever solution by creating openings beneath the vehicle and utilizing portions of the hollow rear sub-frame as ducts to force feed air to the rear brakes.

Wheels/Tires
The standard wheel design package for the new NSX includes lightweight alloy wheels with "Y"-style spokes wrapped in Continental Conti-Sport Contact 5P tires (245/35ZR19 front; 305/30ZR20 rear) developed jointly with Continental.

The unique "Y-wheel" design is a result of the NSX engineering team's extensive research to find the strongest spoke structure while using the least amount of material in order to save unspring weight. Forged in high-strength aluminum, the result is a weight savings of nearly 7 pounds per set and lower total weight than any wheels of similar size and material composition within the NSX's segment.

Additional wheel/tire options, including a track-focused tire, will be available.

Fuel Tank
Finding the ideal weight distribution, center of gravity, shape and placement of the fuel tank was a difficult design task, especially when taking into consideration protection in the event of a rear-end collision. The solution was a design that uses twin tanks composed of a specialized resin material that allowed for tremendous flexibility in the freedom of the shape of the fuel tanks for optimal packaging and enhanced safety. The tanks are centrally located between the engine and the IPU.

Integrated Dynamics System (IDS)
The NSX Integrated Dynamics System (IDS) provides the driver with four selectable dynamic modes—Quiet, Sport, Sport+ and Track. The system integrates all of the vehicle's dynamic chassis and powertrain systems—steering, brakes (mechanical and electro-servo), throttle, vehicle stability assist, magnetorheological dampers, engine, transmission, and Sport Hybrid SH-AWD control systems.

From the available all-electric operation of Quiet mode to the closed circuit, maximum performance capacities of Track mode, IDS progressively dials up the dynamic characteristics of the vehicle based on the needs of the driver and the driving environment.

In addition to these dynamic system variations, IDS varies cabin sounds via Active Exhaust Valve (AEV) and new Intake Sound Control (ISC). ISC uses twin pipes with an electrically controlled valve to vary the sound being transmitted from engine air intake system to twin outlets in the rear uppermost portions of the cabin. Utilizing these technologies, IDS is able to fine-tune cabin sound quality and volume to match the dynamic character of the vehicle in Quiet, Sport, Sport+ and Track modes. Of note, there is a full 25 dB volumetric sound difference between Quiet and Track modes—a tremendous variance in audible sensation.

Quiet
Quiet mode prioritizes electric-only driving at lower speeds, maximizing energy efficiency and minimizing cabin sound. The vehicle uses the TMU for initial launch from a standstill. When power demand requires the engine, it starts more quietly than in other modes and maximum engine speed is limited to 4,000 rpm, while the Active Exhaust and Intake Sound Control valves are closed for a more hushed operation. The transmission shift map also prioritizes lower engine speeds. The Driver Interface (tachometer and center console information display screen) features a cool and quiet blue color.

Sport
Sport mode takes advantage of the Sport Hybrid system to offer the driver a direct responsive vehicle or a more relaxed vehicle according to their driving inputs. Compared to Quiet Mode, it eliminates the 4,000 rpm limit on the engine and provides a more aggressive throttle map for quicker response. A more aggressive transmission shift map holds gears longer and allows higher rpm shift points. The Intake Sound Control system and the Active Exhaust Valve are activated, allowing exhaust and intake sound to permeate the cabin for a more emotional driving experience. Like the Quiet mode, sport mode provides idle stop function. The Sport setting is the default setting in normal vehicle operation.

Sport+
Sport+ prioritizes maximum drivetrain response and dynamic performance with faster up- and down-shifts of the 9 DCT and still more aggressive throttle mapping. Maximum use of the electric motor torque provides more explosive acceleration. Increased agility is achieved by harmonizing a more aggressive Direct Yaw Control setting that works in concert with the magnetorheological dampers, Agile Handling Assist, and the Electric Power Steering System—perfect for a spirited drive on a winding road. It also offers the driver a higher degree of steering feedback, while intake and exhaust note sounds via Active Sound Control are further increased for an even more exhilarating and emotional driving experience. The TFT Meter sports an aggressive yellow "con-trail" along the tachometer needle supporting easy recognition of engine RPM. Red highlights for the center console information display also reinforce that the driver is in now in Sport+ mode.

Track
Optimized for circuit driving, Track mode invokes the most aggressive settings and parameters to deliver the fastest and most consistent lap times possible, along with maximum acceleration from a standstill when utilizing launch control mode). The braking system offers enhanced performance-oriented pedal feel. Up/down gearshift execution of the DCT and performance of the Super Hybrid SH-AWD and active driver aids (VSA, AHA) are programmed to support circuit limit driving, and an even greater amount of engine intake sound permeates the cabin for a more heightened and emotional driving experience offering enahanced driver feedback even when wearing a helmet.

This setting also prioritizes the lithium-ion battery state-of-charge to maintain a consistent level of torque delivery and direct yaw moment from the three electric motors to ensure consistent dynamic response and lap times.
Of note, the VSA operation is progressively "loosened" from the IDS Quiet mode up to Track mode, enabling a progressively higher degree of freedom for the driver in exploring the dynamic capabilities of the NSX. In "Track" mode, the VSA system can also be completely disabled by the driver. The NSX IDS system has the world's first custom setting menu that allows the driver to configure the vehicle's mode during startup. For example, drivers can program the car to always start in Quiet or Sport mode, along with the ability to schedule the NSX to operate exclusively in Quiet mode during any specified time period such as the early morning to avoid waking the neighborhood.

CONCLUSION
By combining timeless NSX values and advanced technologies to create zero delay performance in all aspects of the vehicle, the next generation 2017 Acura NSX represents a completely new and uniquely Acura expression of what a supercar should be—with superior ergonomics, groundbreaking design and supercar thrills every day without compromise.

In challenging to create a New Sports eXperience the next generation NSX will provide an intense and personal connection between the driver and machine that establishes a new and paradigm-challenging definition of supercar performance.

2017 ACURA NSX: Specifications and Features

Preliminary information, subject to change

Power Unit
Sport Hybrid SH-AWD Power Unit Front wheels: mechanically independent from rear power unit components, two electric motors (Twin Motor Unit); Rear wheels: Twin-turbocharged V-6 gasoline engine with one Direct Drive Motor and 9-speed DCT
Maximum Total System Power 573 hp
Approx. Top Speed 191 mph
ENGINE
Type Twin-turbocharged DOHC V6
Layout Longitudinally mid-mounted
Displacement 3493 cc
Horsepower - SAE Net 500 hp @ 6500-7500 rpm
Torque 406 lb.-ft. @ 2000-6000 rpm
Maximum Engine Speed 7500 rpm
Power Output Per Liter 143 hp/liter
Bore and Stroke 3.6 in. x 3.5 in.
Compression Ratio 10.0:1
Valve Train 24 Valve, IN/EX VTC, chain-driven camshafts
Intake Valve Construction Forged steel
Exhaust Valve Construction Forged steel , sodium-filled
Valve Angle 30 degrees (include angle)
Cylinder Block and Head Material Aluminum alloy
Cylinder Bore Lining Plasma transferred wire arc thermal spray
Cylinder Bank Angle 75 degrees
Crankshaft Construction Forged steel
Piston Construction Cast aluminum with integrated cooling channel
Connecting Rod Construction Forged steel, dowel pin
Fuel Injection Direct and port
Throttle Control Drive-by-Wire throttle system
Fuel Requirement Premium unleaded
Lubrication Dry sump system with 6-rotor scavenge pump
Oil Type Synthetic 0W-40
Cooling system Liquid and oil cooling
Exhaust System Layout Dual catalytic converter, dual path per bank
TWIN TURBOCHARGERS
Turbocharger Type Single vane
Maximum Boost Pressure 105 kPa (1.05 bar)
Turbine Construction Inconel
Wastegate Control Electrical
Recirculation Valves Air bypass type
Intercooler Dimensions Width 232.2 mm; Height 382 mm; Thickness 64 mm
REAR DIRECT DRIVE MOTOR
Type Water-cooled motor/generator
Layout Direct drive situated between engine & transmission; Crankshaft output shaft-attached permanent magnet rotor & in-engine body- copper windings
Horsepower @ rpm 47 @ 3000
Torque @ rpm) 109 lb.-ft. @ 500-2000
TRANSMISSION & REAR AXLE
Type 9-Speed Dual Clutch Transmission (9DCT)
1st Gear Ratio 3.838
2nd 2.433
3rd 1.778
4th 1.428
5th 1.211
6th 1.038
7th 0.881
8th 0.747
9th 0.634
Reverse 2.395
Rear Axle Ratio 3.583
Limited Slip Differential – Wet Multi Plate Torque bias ratio: Drive 2.0, Coast 2.6, 30N-m Pre load
FRONT TWIN MOTOR UNIT (TMU)
Type Twin traction motor/generator
Layout Independent, twin motors packaged back-to-back with a single clutch, gear-linked system
Horsepower @ rpm 36 + 36 @ 4000
Torque @ rpm 54 +54 lb.-ft. @ 0-2000
ADDITIONAL POWER UNIT CONTROLS
Integrated Dynamics System Four-mode system: Quiet, Sport, Sport+, Track
Hill Start Assist
Idle-Stop System
BODY / SUSPENSION / CHASSIS
Chassis Type Aluminum-intensive, Multi Material
Body/Frame Construction Multi-material (primarily aluminum) space frame with aluminum and low-density SMC outer panels, and cast aluminum suspension mounting points
Ablation Cast Aluminum Nodes Complex high performance aluminum castings for crush zones; World's first automotive application
Corrosion Pre-Treatment Zirconium pre-treat material; Environmentally friendly
A-Pillar Structure 3-D Bent and Quenched ultra high-strength steel (1500 Mpa); World's first application
Floor Panel Carbon fiber core
Front Suspension Type Double-wishbone, double lower control arm; aluminum
Front Dampers Active Gen III magnetorheological coilovers
Front Stabilizer Bar Hollow steel, 1.04 in. diameter x 0.13 in. wall thickness
Rear Supension Type Multi-link; aluminum
Rear Dampers Active Gen III magnetorheological coilovers
Rear Stabilizer Bar Hollow steel; 0.98 in. diameter x 0.12 in. wall thickness
Front Brake Calipers Brembo 6-piston aluminum monoblock
Front Brake Rotor Type Base: 2-Pc Floating Iron Disks w/ Aluminum center
Option: 2-Pc Floating Carbon Ceramic Disks w/ Aluminum center
Front Brake Rotor Size Iron: 14.5 in. diameter x 1.3 in. thick
Carbon ceramic: 15 in. diameter x 1.3 in. thick
Rear Brake Calipers Brembo 4-piston Aluminum Monoblock
Rear Brake Rotor Type Base: 2-Pc Floating Iron Disks w/ Aluminum center
Option: 2-Pc Floating Carbon Ceramic Disks w/ Aluminum center
Rear Brake Rotor Size 14.2 in. dia. X 1.3 in. thick (both iron and carbon ceramic)
Steering Type Variable ratio rack & pinion; Dual-pinion EPS
Steering Wheel Turns, Lock-to-Lock 1.91
Steering Ratio Variable progressive; Range: 12.9:1 (on center) to 11.07:1
Turning Diameter, Curb-to-Curb (ft) 39.7 ft
Front Wheels 19x8.5J Forged Aluminum
Front Tires 245/35ZR19 93Y SOT
Rear Wheels 20x11J Forged Aluminum
Rear Tires 305/30ZR20 103Y SOT
Spare Tire Tire Repair Kit
Fuel Tank Layout Twin fuel tanks mounted between the engine and IPU
EXTERIOR DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase 103.5 in.
Length 176 in.
Height 47.8 in.
Width 87.3 in
Track (front/rear) 65.2 in. / 63.7 in.
Ground Clearance (unladen) 3.7 in.
Approach/Departure Angles 9.2° / 12.9°
CAPACITIES & WEIGHTS
Fuel Tank Capacity 15.6 gal
Curb Weight (without options) 3,803 lbs.
Weight Distribution (front / rear without options) 42% / 58%
INTERIOR DIMENSIONS
Seating Capacity 2
Headroom 38.3 in.
Legroom 42.8 in.
Shoulder Room 57.6 in.
Hip Room 54.5 in.
Cargo Volume (behind rear engine compartment) 3.9 ft3
Passenger Volume 44.0 ft3
EPA MILEAGE RATINGS / FUEL
Fuel Economy Ratings TBD
Fuel Type Premium
ACTIVE SAFETY FEATURES
Vehicle Stability Assist™ (VSA®) with Traction Control
Anti-Lock Braking System (ABS)
Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD)
Brake Assist
Multi-Angle Rearview Camera with Dynamic Guidelines
Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) with Location and Pressure Indicators
LED Daytime Running Lights (DRL)
PASSIVE SAFETY FEATURES
Single-Stage Driver, Dual-Stage Passenger, Multiple-Threshold Front Airbags (SRS)
SmartVent® Front Side Airbags
One-Row Side Curtain Airbags with Rollover Sensor
3-Point Seat Belts with Automatic Tensioning System
Upper Tether for Child Seat on Passenger-Side
Driver's and Passenger's Seat-Belt Reminder
DRIVER ASSISTIVE FEATURES
Cruise Control
Auto High-Beam Headlights
Corner and Backup Sensors
EXTERIOR FEATURES
Flush-mounted automatic power pop-out door handles Auto pop out upon approach with keyless entry fob
Capless Fuel Filler
Radio Antenna Integrated front windshield type
Acoustic Windshield
Acoustic Glass Rear Cabin Window
LED Brake Lights
Variable Intermittent Wipers
Remote keyless Smart Entry system
Side Mirrors Body-colored power heated with reverse auto tilt-down and integrated LED turn indicators; Optional memory feature
Security System
Headlamps Acura Jewel Eye™ LED type with Auto-On/Off
Body Panels Composite
Roof Panel Aluminum or optional exposed-weave carbon fiber
INTERIOR & COMFORT / CONVENIENCE
Beverage Holder Two-cup holder unit that slides into a slot in the center console on passenger side
Automatic Air Conditioning with air filtration system
Push Button Start
Active Noise Control™ (ANC)
Active Sound Control (ASC)
Power Windows with Auto-Up/Down
Power Door Locks
Cruise Control
Tilt and Telescopic Steering Column (manual)
Center Console Storage Multi-functional storage system
Lockable Glove Compartment
12-Volt Power Outlet
Power Remote Fuel Filler Door Release
Rear Engine Compartment Window Defroster w/ Timer
Cargo Area Light
Cargo Area Tie-Down Anchors (4 Total) Optional accessory cargo net
Illuminated Steering Wheel-Mounted Controls Cruise / Audio / Phone / Display Audio
Dual-Zone Automatic Climate Control System with Humidity Control and Air Filtration
HomeLink® Remote System
Frameles Automatic-Dimming Rearview Mirror
Leather-Wrapped Steering Wheel Available carbon fiber trim
LED Interior Ambient Lighting
Leather--Trimmed Instrument Panel
Leather-Trimmed Door Panels
Alcantara Roof Lining
SEATING
Seats Perforated leather and Alcantara-trimmed with manual adjusters; Optional 4-way power adjusters
Seat Leather Milano leather standard; Semi-aniline leather option
Heated Seats
AUDIO & CONNECTIVITY
7-Inch Display Audio with High-Resolution WVGA (800x480) Electrostatic Touch-Screen and Customizable Feature Settings
Audio System Standard Audio system: 8 speakers, including subwoofer
Optional ELS Studio Premium Audio system: 9 speakers, including subwoofer
Bluetooth® HandsFreeLink®
Bluetooth® Streaming Audio
MP3/Auxiliary Input Jack MP3/Auxiliary Input Jack
USB Audio Interface 2USB ports in car
(In glove box) 1.0Amp charge capability & USB connection without Carplay & Android auto connectivity
(In console box) 1.5Amp charge capavility & USB connection with Carplay & Android auto connectivity
AcuraLink® Next Generation
SMS Text Message Function
SiriusXM® Radio Option
Pandora® Compatibility
Acura Satellite-Linked Navigation System™ with Voice Recognition and Honda HD Digital Traffic
HDMI Interface In rear console
HD Radio™
Siri Eyes Free
Android Auto
Apple CarPlay
INSTRUMENTATION
Digital Speedometer TFT Screen
Tachometer TFT Screen
Coolant Temperature Indicator Analog gauge
Fuel Level Indicator Analog gauge
DYNAMIC TFT GUAGE CLUSTER
4.2-Inch Color TFT Screen 8-Inch Color TFT Screen
Integrated Dynamics System-linked Dynamic Meters Meter Graphics Color change: Quiet-Blue; Sport-White; Sport+ and Track-Red
Average Fuel Economy Indicator
Gear Position Indicator
Instant Fuel Economy Indicator
Miles-to-Empty Indicator
Odometer and Trip Meters (2)
Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) with Tire Fill Assist and Location and Pressure Indicators
Exterior Temperature Indicator
Compass
Turn-By-Turn Directions
Customizable Feature Settings
COLORS
EXTERIOR
Valencia Red Pearl
Nouvelle Blue Pearl
Casino White Pearl
Source Silver Metallic
Nord Gray Metallic
Curva Red
130R White
Berlina Black
INTERIOR
Ebony All interior colors are available with all exterior colors
Saddle
Red
Seacoast
FACTORY OPTIONS
Carbon Fiber Exterior Sport Package Carbon fiber front spoiler, side sills, rear diffuser;
Dark chrome exhaust finisher
Carbon Fiber Engine Cover
Carbon Fiber Roof
Carbon Ceramic Brake Rotors Includes choice of black, red or silver brake calipers
Carbon Fiber Rear Spoiler
Exclusive Interwoven Aluminum Alloy Wheels Choice of machined, painted or polished finish
Technology Package - ELS Studio Audio System Includes 9 speakers, Navigation, AcuraLink, front and rear parking sensors
Technology Package - ELS Studio Audio with XM Satellite Radio Same as above and adds XM Satellite radio
Interior Carbon Fiber Sport Package Includes carbon fiber meter visor and steering wheel garnish, aluminum foot rest and sport pedals
Alcantara Headliner Black

SamDoe1 10-27-2015 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by kurtatx (Post 15593651)
This is the unfortunate reality. The manuals are more than dead at this point, and rear-biased AWD and the hybrid drivetrain just make the car a lot more practical.

This isn't the Ford GT. I believe Honda expects to build a lot more of these.

I think it's more to make them a lot faster...

No one buys a supercar for practicality.

justnspace 10-27-2015 09:19 AM

wait, that's not a 918. :rofl:

thoiboi 10-27-2015 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by justnspace (Post 15593713)
wait, that's not a 918. :rofl:

that's what I thought too...
:pofl:

:fail:


but not surprising who it's coming from :rolleyes:

Jakes_tl 10-27-2015 09:28 AM

So anybody on here definitely getting this new NSX?

Tonyware 10-27-2015 09:33 AM

What? No LKAS?

LOL

srika 10-27-2015 09:56 AM

0-60 in 2.9 and its still not good enough, not fast enough.

the hilarity of this thread is enormous.

oonowindoo 10-27-2015 10:49 AM

if 0-60 is what you are looking for in a supercar, then well... There is really not that much difference between a GTR and a 918, you know...

srika 10-27-2015 11:04 AM

Lol at thread title update with Weight listed first.

Nice way to slant the thread.

LMFAO

TSX69 10-27-2015 11:06 AM

Yahoo!
 
What Is It? 2017 Acura NSX, the Japanese manufacturer’s long-awaited mid-engine 2-seat flagship.

Starting Price: $150,000 (Estimated)

Competitors: Audi R8 V10, Mercedes-AMG GT-S, Porsche 911 Turbo

Alternatives: McLaren 570S, Lamborghini Huracan

Pros: Digital drivetrain works seamlessly and cohesively; even quicker than it feels; comfy enough for daily use.

Cons: Could use more fierceness and feedback; hefty (and well out of supercar range) at 3,802 pounds; that nagging feeling that nice supercars never finish first.

Would I Buy It With My Own Money? Not quite yet, though this might be more my speed in a couple decades when I’ve had it with hardcore sports cars.

The year was 1990 and the supercar future looked bright. While feisty exotics like Ferraris and Lamborghinis ruled the road, a new contender from Japan threatened to turn the supercar microcosm on its ear with fresh styling, an approachable price, and surprising everyday usability. That outsider was the 1st generation Acura NSX, and its finely tuned approach delivered a stylish value proposition that was nothing short of revolutionary in its day.

The mid-engine contender eventually retired after a 15-year reign, resurfacing like a phoenix in 2015 as the all-new 2017 Acura NSX. During its 1st go, the NSX challenged a tiny coterie of 6-figure cars that barely crested the 300 horsepower mark. Nowadays, the upper end of the market is led by near-1,000 horsepower hypercars, while back on planet Earth, many 500-horsepower beasts can be had for under $100,000.


How did Acura challenge the modern day supercar conundrum? For starters, they clad their new flagship with an arsenal of mil-spec technological hardware. The car begins from a transversely mounted, turbocharged 3.5-liter V-6 (an engine shared by no other Honda product), married to an electric motor at the crankshaft, all of which drives the rear wheels. Up front, twin electric motors fed by a lithium-ion battery pack spin the front wheels. Togehter, the system makes 573 hp, with 500 of those equines coming from the twin-turbo V6, while cumulative torque totals 405 lb-ft.

Below the surface, the NSX grows complex fast. Take cooling; there’s no fewer than 10 heat exchangers from 7 major heat sources ,including the internal combustion engine, their turbochargers, the 9-speed transmission and the battery and processors. Stopping duties are performed by carbon fiber brakes, and all 4 corners of the car pitch in to help it around corners: while the rear motor can brake torque, the front motors can push or pull on either side to help tuck the car in and tug it through a turn.


And then there’s the functional challenge of packaging all of those elements, many of which must work together cohesively to make the NSX feel, as Honda engineers call it, a “human-centric ergonomically enhanced design theme.” Among the countless tricks up their sleeve is an A-pillar that’s been “3D bent and quenched”— that is, heated, bent, and quickly cooled with jets of water, enabling narrower construction and better outward visibility. I could go on about the NSX’s novel engineering details and ambitious goals, but all this leads to the same question: How does it drive?


Climb inside the cockpit and the NSX feels every bit an Acura—natural, comfortable, and smartly ergonomic, with excellent outward visibility and front wheel humps positioned for easy apex placement. Though some clever surfacing and contouring lends a sense of flow to the cabin, there’s nothing terribly groundbreaking here; the space seems to dissolve around you, enabling the driver to focus on the comfortably squared-off steering wheel. The NSX fires up with a healthy cough from the twin-turbo V-6, and the dual-clutch switches smoothly into gear, while a large Dynamic Mode dial toggles through 4 settings—Quiet, Sport, Sport+, and Track. The modes control everything from throttle mapping and regenerative power patterns to brake pedal feel and suspension damping. For some perspective on the degrees of variability at play, there’s a 25-decibel difference between Quiet and Track—to steal from a certain ‘80s song, a whisper to a scream.

Though the NSX accelerates with eerie smoothness, it is also wickedly quick off the line, dispatching quick revs to its 7,500-RPM ceiling before the transmission seamlessly summons the next gear. Though it feels surprisingly undramatic, there’s a lot going on as the NSX hustles itself to speed: electric motors are handling the low end of the power delivery until the turbochargers kick in, at which point the EV propulsion is tapered off in exchange for good old fashioned internal combustion. Perform the launch control sequence, an easy 2-pedal sequence in Track mode, and the blast off is, once again, drama (and almost completely tire squeal) free. The result, however, is staggeringly quick; though Acura hasn’t disclosed an official 0 to 60 mph time, they do hint the NSX beats the Porsche 911 Turbo’s 3.0 second figure by a 10th of a click. Hot damn, Acura; who would’ve guessed you’re such a speed freak?


Depending on which mode you choose to tackle the track with, you’ll experience varying degrees of intervention and tightness. Predictably, there’s a bit of safety-inducing understeer in milder settings and more satisfaction to be found in Track, where the front tires seem to find the apex with not-so-predictable ease. You can credit the electronically managed torque vectoring magic for the NSX’s ability to turn and tuck-in when the throttle is lifted; after all, these 3,800 pounds aren’t going to turn themselves. Though it’s capable of impressive athletics for its curb weight, the NSX does so with surprisingly little kickback. There isn’t a whole lot of information funneled through the steering wheel, and the powertrain’s lack of peakiness makes for an undramatic ride. Even brake pedal feel is modulated to within an inch of its life; rather than a physical connection to the hydraulic reservoir, the NSX’s binders use drive-by-wire technology with a force feedback system that alters how the pedal responds based on drive mode and brake rotor temperature.

Though the automatic transmission is virtually flawless in the Track setting, telepathically holding gears and downshifting when necessary, tapping the paddle shifter unfortunately does not summon an upshift. Also, turning all systems off doesn’t completely remove the digital nannies; when I abruptly lifted off the throttle, the system kicked in to save my bacon. Despite the danger of driving without electronic aids, I would personally prefer a more permissive track mode and that rarest of touches, a real “off” switch for the babysitter.


Despite the near invisibility of all the electronic systems, the 2 tire choices offer significantly different levels of grip: the standard 4-season Continentals grease up and give up the ghost too early, leaving you cautious and leery on the track. The Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s, on the other hand, feel grippy and confidence inspiring, delivering dramatically more tenacious road holding.

A 2nd day of street driving on the winding roads between Calistoga and San Francisco put the NSX’s capabilities into a far more comprehensible, real world context. On the high-speed sweepers connecting California’s wine country to the Pacific, the NSX felt hunkered down and capable, rolling with the road’s punches and accelerating and braking with aplomb. Under these conditions the Acura comes across as more comfortable; not that it can’t hold its own on the track, it simply seems more in its element on the road. Despite the ducts, vents and flying buttresses, the NSX presents itself as a grand tourer rather than a wannabe racer, choosing to cosset its driver rather than transmit tangibles like road texture and bump steer to the passenger compartment.

Purists can (and most certainly will) crave more feedback from Acura’s new flagship. But until the inevitable R-Spec track special comes along, the NSX’s disposition will be dialed in for refinement, not raucousness. With an estimated starting price of around $150,000, the new NSX faces the likes of the Mercedes-AMG GT-S Coupe ($130,825), Porsche 911 Turbo ($151,100), and Audi R8 V10 ($153,900).

Unlike the 1st-generation’s underdog status, the new NSX’s position in the supercar world is a difficult 1 to gauge, given how entirely different it is. If you crave the saucy excitement of a track-focused superstar, you might be inclined to think of the NSX as a too-smooth, too-nice way of getting from A to B.

But if you’re the happy-go-lucky type, you might think of the NSX as a sort of poor man’s Porsche 918 Spyder, a technical tour de force that delivers a good chunk of the performance for a fraction of the cost. It’s too early to tell which side of history this Acura NSX will fall on, but the reincarnation offers a polished and refined take on the age-old supercar formula.


oonowindoo 10-27-2015 11:12 AM


the standard 4-season Continentals grease up and give up the ghost too early
I guess i missed this earlier. All Season tires as standard????
Has this been done before?

TSX69 10-27-2015 11:58 AM

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We've been waiting for the new 2017 Acura NSX so long, I was starting to worry I'd find it passé even before I drove it. It's been 3 years since Acura 1st showed off the NSX Concept, and only a little less than that since their abrupt about-face on the powertrain that turned what was shaping up to be a relatively mainstream sports car - albeit with an iconized nameplate - into a complex hybrid.

Full production and sales of the NSX aren't due to start until early in the new year, but when Honda offered me a sneak preview of the car in the run up to the Tokyo Motor Show 2015 this week, it seemed churlish to say no.


The good news - the really, really good news - is that the new NSX is not at all passé. The bad news is that I had very little time to experience the reality of that.

There is a limit to how much I can tell you from a couple of laps in a new car, but Honda sees this as whetting the appetite as it finesses the final software. The car's complex powertrain hardware is just about complete - 2 electric motors, one for each of the front wheels, and then a 3rd drive motor on the rear crankshaft, along with a 3.5L V6 engine for a total of 573 horsepower and around 476 lb-ft of torque - but there's polishing to be done before deliveries begin in roughly six months time.


Here, then, are the instant highlights. Honda promises "0 delay" acceleration, and the NSX delivers. There's an immediacy to when you stomp on the gas pedal that makes you suddenly realize most cars that fall on the combustion side rather than pure-EV have a split second of lag before the power kicks in.

I doubt most Lamborghini, Porsche, or Ferrari owners are going to lose sleep over it, but once you notice it that 1st time you can't forget quite how quickly the NSX is roused.


It does so with a roar not a whir, too. There may be 3 electric motors inside this thing, but they're easily out-grunted by the 3.5-liter gas engine that contributes the lion's share of power and torque. In keeping with Honda's "everyday supercar" goal it's not the wail or scream of its rawer rivals, though.

The four power sources work together smoothly, and it's hard to tell where electric starts and the turbocharged gas engine finishes. You don't miss the grip and the cornering, mind; even after just a few curves, the NSX's point-and-go attitude to curves is clear, even if feel through the wheel is oddly game-like and lacking in feedback.


I'm mighty curious to see how it handles some properly twisty stuff, because the SH-AWD system - now terminologically upgraded to "Sports Hybrid All Wheel Drive" and allowing torque to each of the front wheels to be independently controlled - already seems like it could be the NSX's true wildcard.

Then again, that might be the brakes. Usually it's the going-fast part of a supercar that takes your breath away, but the combination of traditional Brembos and using the electric motors as regenerative generators means the NSX sheds speed almost violently.


Regen braking only happened when I was in Sport mode, not Sport+, and you notice the difference. Lift your foot in the former and the motors automatically start to claw back some of that otherwise wasted energy, slowing the car rapidly. In Sport+ mode, meanwhile, the ride got flatter, the V6 is kept permanently engaged, and the whole thing gets more aggressive.

The NSX also has a Track mode and Quiet mode, neither of which I got a chance to try, but which promise to turn the car either into an upshift-phobic race monster or a demure, mostly-electric suburbanite.


I'd be lying, though, if I said I wasn't left with plenty of lingering questions. Aside from just how good the handling is, I'm curious about how the NSX's braking system holds up to continued use in performance situations, especially since the drive-by-wire system Honda opted for only delivers faux-feel through the pedal.

Meanwhile, Honda's promise that the new combo drive-by-wire and hydraulic system for each of the brakes can be tuned individually - meaning less aggressive bite in the city, but more eager on the track - is something which will take real-world experience to compare.


I'm also curious about the cabin design, too, which for the most part is solid - plenty of Alcantara on most of the touchy-feely trim parts - but is let down by unduly plasticky switchgear. The center stack lacks the metal-edged finesse of rivals in the segment, and key touch-points like the shifter paddles fall short of the crispness and quality feel you'd expect of a car with this pedigree.

It's a shame, because otherwise driving position feels good. Honda's big central display in the driver binnacle is clear and easy to follow even while on the move at rapid rates, visibility is astonishing for a low-slung supercar - rear view excepted - and the center console is pleasingly minimal on extraneous buttons, even if those which make the cut feel somewhat pedestrian as you stab or twist at them.


All the same, that seems a minor foible - easily addressed, too, were Honda to decide to - in the face of what's already shaping up to be an incredible car.

Thing is, "incredible" means different things to different people. Comparing the new NSX with its forebear seems almost pointless when it comes to all but the overall strategy of an supercar suited for everyday use.


In the ten years since the 1st NSX was officially retired, the performance car space has changed dramatically. Reliability - once a capacity that only Honda could really boast - is up across even many of the more outlandish models out there, while technology has encroached to the point where a big engine and a slick manual gearbox are frankly insufficient to compete.

It means Honda isn't the only company to be using electric motors to boost performance, or clever algorithm-swapping drive modes to suit freeway or track or suburban street. The new NSX pushes the state of gadgetry even further, and finds itself facing questions of the sort Audi did with its eminently-manageable R8, only writ much larger.


An incredible technological achievement, then. An incredible use of new and existing mechanical and electronic systems to make a car that can potentially keep up with a Lamborghini but also drive like a cosseting Acura. And, certainly, an incredibly divisive answer to what a proper supercar should be in an age when luxury sedans are setting 0-60 records and electrification is no longer laughable.

Personally, I'm reserving judgement until I can spend more time behind the wheel, but I can understand why some are worried the needle has ticked too far into the realms of rationality.


Over the course of a decade and a half, Honda sold around 18,000 of the original NSX. Many of its most ardent fans today have probably never even driven 1.

With an estimated price north of $150,000, the 2017 NSX is likely to prove equally exclusive, but the ripples of controversy its creation have prompted will be orders of magnitude greater.

JS + XES 10-27-2015 12:39 PM

Any videos out yet?

is300eater 10-27-2015 12:44 PM

I love all the armchair wannabe Stigs in this forum :popcorn:

Edward'TLS 10-27-2015 12:53 PM

Fuck, a $150K HONDA NSX ? Why ?

A $150K ACURA NSX is good, because Acura is a upscale premium brand. But please not a $150K HONDA NSX.

Looking at one of its competitors - the Audi R8. It is always an Audi R8 everywhere in this world, and never a VW R8.

Acura really needs a global presence before its prestige and brand recognition can move upmarket.

Joneill44 10-27-2015 01:02 PM

Well Honda came out with $70k car in 1991 and that worked out pretty well

JS + XES 10-27-2015 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by is300eater (Post 15593995)
I love all the armchair wannabe Stigs in this forum :popcorn:

YEAH BABY LETS GO! a

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Edward'TLS 10-27-2015 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Joneill44 (Post 15594022)
Well Honda came out with $70k car in 1991 and that worked out pretty well

Yes, good for the economy brand HONDA, but not for ACURA.

Now, 26 years later, Acura is still a half-ass premium auto brand, while Lexus, in about the exact time frame, has established itself as a full blown recognized luxury auto brand amongst BMW and MB.

iforyou 10-27-2015 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by oonowindoo (Post 15592888)
I thought a lot of people hated the new 911 steering or was it 991?

991 is the code for the current generation of 911 .....? I think steering seems to be an issue for the NSX...like the original one was...hahahah..that's the biggest disappointment IMO.


Originally Posted by Joneill44 (Post 15593017)
It will be curious to see if the aftermarket world touches this car. With it being really one of the first affordable supercars with this kind of hybrid/battery setup, I wonder what would happen if the power was boosted to 650-700hp

My take is that Honda is leaving a LOT of room for additional power in the future.

1.) 1.05 bar, 15.2psi is nothing for this calibre of cars. My 1st gen RDX already makes 14psi from the factory. The new Civic 1.5T has a peak boost pressure of 16.5psi, and the BMW M3/M4 has a peak boost pressure at just 18.9psi. All of these are pretty darn low.

For comparison, the CLA45 AMG has a max pressure of 26.1psi.

2.) VTEC not implemented at all. Not sure if it's not needed or what.

3.) With battery technologies advancing rapidly, I wouldn't be surprised if these motors will be made more powerful in coming years, just like how Tesla went from P85D to P90D. Higher battery capacities allow for more powerful motors to be used.


Originally Posted by Fibonacci (Post 15593312)
The curb weight does not shock me, but it is nonetheless is a bit heavier than I expected.

Until I get to drive one, the mag racer in me says drop the heavy batteries and go for the Type-R RWD only version. Should be interesting to see how the dealers handle the early cue.

Considering the $900k 918 Spyder with similar powertrain configuration with all the exotic materials is still at 3724lb....I highly doubt the NSX at $150k would be lighter than that......


Originally Posted by oonowindoo (Post 15593316)
without the battery it will become a 400hp-450hp 3500 RWD car...

and it is popular to charge more for less these days, i will not be paying $150-200k for a 400hp car that weighs 3500 lbs.... type R or not.

I believe the 3.5L V6 turbo is making 500hp with this tune. And I believe the hybrid powertrain (motors, batteries, control devices, cooling systems) is 500lb or so...getting rid of that is probably gonna bring the weight down to 3300lb?


Originally Posted by oonowindoo (Post 15593338)
That is the problem. The Acura we used to love was never about good enough. When they make a sports car like s2000/NSX, they will make sure it is unique and not following what has been done already.

I think that's up for debate. Within this price range, I'd say the new NSX is pretty unique and not following what has been done already in a sense that it's not like a Corvette, Viper, 911, 570S, 458, R8, GTR. Unless you can find me another mid-engined AWD hybrid car with torque vectoring with over 550hp costing less than $200k.....


Originally Posted by Legend2TL (Post 15593632)
Add a few things

- Brake by wire, I was not expecting that but the reviews are pretty good for the system. AFAIK, that's a first for Acura/Honda.
- Also for the brake by wire, they used a stepper motor versus a hydraulic actuator but still got excellent feel and response.
- the performance gap between the everyday Conti's and high performance Michellins is pretty large. Although I can understand trying to get a street tire that can handle an occasional shower, and last more than 1-2K miles.
- double lower balljoint on front suspension. Never seen that on any Honda/Acura before, seen on alot of German cars (BMW, Audi).
- yes, the gearbox sounds really good from the reviews
- also a little surprised how big a jump in performance between the various driving modes.
- perhaps the S/W & F/W engineers will tweak the handling code some more before production. The transition from the various modes causing minor to moderate understeer to mild oversteer. A common tech theme in modern cars no matter Porsche, Ferrari or even C7. Hopefully the code can dial out some of the moderate understeer.
- also surprised that Acura would even offer iron brake discs on a $150K car.
- And yes they $150-200K exotic market is pretty unusual and selective these days.

Overall sounds pretty nice, curious to see how it compares to the competition.

One thing that's missing in the discussion is what the original NSX was in one word, "balance". That's something that Gordon Murray and Mario Andretti used to glowingly describe the 1G as it had be carefully finetuned from it's suspension settings to it's throttle travel.

also be intereting what Murray and Andretti would say about the 2G.

On paper it looks better than a 918. I've seen 918's for the last two Amelia Concours and compared to a P1 or 458 is kinda dull and boring. Amazing car technology wise but it's exterior styling compares to what's underneigh which is pretty special.

Given that there are 6 months before first delivery, there's time for Honda to fix up the issues brought up by different journalists. That is, if they feel the need to. I think offering a personalized mode would be decent.

As for the tire choice, I think they are offering the conti's because of the huge complaint back in the days with the NA1 NSX, where a set of tires wouldn't last over 15000 miles...hahahaha


Originally Posted by JS + BRZ (Post 15593981)
Any videos out yet?

Yup! Autoblog, Road and Track, Automobile all have videos on their websites.

Yumcha 10-27-2015 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by ttribe (Post 15593529)
Keep it up, Yummy, and we'll start talking about the difference between a real car and it's 1:18 scale replica.

ZIPIT...! Who told you that you can turn around from the corner we banished you to...?!!?? :spanky:

Yumcha 10-27-2015 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by srika (Post 15593835)
Lol at thread title update with Weight listed first.

Nice way to slant the thread.

LMFAO

No one is slanting the thread. You're just being hyper-sensitive? :shrug:
But, clearly, this car is controversial since we have 2 parties: the "haters" and the ones who are fine with it.




But, it does not change the fact that the curb weight isn't the most impressive. Most of us have seen better. :shrug:

Would it make you feel better if I edited the title and put weight 2nd or 3rd...? :rofl:


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