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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 06:42 PM
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The Diamonds are in!

I got the Diamond M661's the other day and put them in today! They sound great! I haven't spent but a few minutes listening to them, so I'll have more of an opinion tomorrow night.

The mids went in easily enough, although I had to make new spacers because my old ones didn't fit. I just used six 1.5" self-tapping sheetmetal screws.

The tweets were pretty easy too. I cut holes in the door panels in front of the door release levers.

The crossovers were a b**** though. There is simply no place in the doors for them, and there isn't anyplace outside of the doors either. I ended up taking them out of their fancy box and screwing them directly to the door metal underneath the speakers. I had to measure VERY carefully, as there was less than 1/16" clearance. I have pictures, but evidently don't have rights to post them here.

The big bummer right now is that my Sony XDP-210EQ has apparently just stopped working for no reason. Since that's my crossover network (in addition to the EQ) I have no sub.

More listening impressions tomorrow.
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 08:23 PM
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Okay, I decided to use a free photo hosting service to try to start posting pictures.

Don't hold it against me if this takes a few tries until it works...

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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 08:27 PM
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cool it worked.

What you're looking at is the M661 mid mounted with a 3/4" plywood spacer, with the stripped-down crossover mounted below.

The white stuff is caulk to keep the screws from turning from vibrations.

Update on the xdp-210eq: if you remove constant power the POS resets itself and works again. Not sure what the problem is...

PS - you only see four wires because the tweeters aren't hooked up yet in this picture.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 07:54 AM
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Told ya you would love them. Post pics of the tweets when you can. I have mine mounted to the black sail panel. Sunds great but, looks kinda bad. Would love to see how yours turns out.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 08:08 AM
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I decided to cut the door panel and flush mount them. It came out pretty good, but I wish they weren't so prominent. I considered flush mounting them underneath the speaker cloth, but that was too much work for a bad tweeter location. I need to get some matching cloth and cover the tweeters, but i'll probably never happen now that the doors are back together...

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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 08:10 AM
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So now I have to decide what to do with the rear fill. For now I'm leaving the JBL coaxials, but at some point I'll need to get something better in there.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 08:11 AM
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That does look good. I have always been nervous about cutting into the door panel. What did you use to cut the hole?
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 07:42 PM
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Okay, they sound awesome! I've been driving around today trying to listen to different kinds of music. The biggest difference was listing to "full" metallic music, such as Bush--they can really sound clear with all that stuff going on at once. On vocal tracks sibilance was no more than originally recorded.

They're extremely bright, and even though I installed them with the tweeters set to -2dB, I still needed to turn it down even more with the EQ. I found them to not emphasize midbass as much as I would expect, but they reproduce it accurately after adjusting it up a bit with the EQ.

Car environment is a very tough place to create good sound. I think the tweeters pointing at the windshield is my personal choice.

I'm very pleased with the Diamonds.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 09:14 PM
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AcuraX2 - Sorry. I used the tweeter to draw a circle on the inside, then cut the vinyl with an exacto knife. I peeled the vinyl off the plastic and then drilled big holes all around the edge. Clipped out what remained and then carved the edges smooth with a very sharp knife. (The Knack--it's a utility knife that holds 15 blades for 30 new blades each cartridge. A great tool, if you see it at Home Depot).
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 07:33 AM
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Thanks for the tips. What I really want to do is flush mount them into the sail panel but, I do not think there is enough depth without cutting. I really like the look of yours though. Nice job.
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 07:35 PM
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Now that i've been listening to the new speakers for several days, I have more observations.

The cheaper rear speakers are affecting the sq. I've currently got those turned down. I'm planning to buy a second set of diamonds.

The treble is way too high for my tastes. I have the higher frequencies attenuated a lot, and they're still too powerful to be that close to my ears. I think I probably should have mounted the tweeters lower than I did. Problem with that is that the sounds doesn't go through people's legs.

I'm hoping by installing another pair in the rear, I can use the EQ to get more air between my ears and the higher frequencies.

I think not replacing the stock speaker wire is having a lessening effect on the speakers' bass output. I think I'm going to need to bit the bullet and pull new wire into the doors one of these days.
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 09:25 PM
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I replaced the front door speaker wire but, I kinda cheated on the rears. I ran new wire from the factory harness at the head unit. For rear fill, I think it is not a problem.

One of the reasons I chose the sail panel was distance. The mid and the tweet are almost the same length from ear level. I think they sound great. I just do not love the look.
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Old Dec 10, 2004 | 09:20 AM
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How hard was it to fish a wire through the rubber boot?
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Old Dec 10, 2004 | 09:42 AM
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Pain in the arse but, doable. I hate running wires like the plague but, it has to be done. I used a utility knife and slit the rubber boot going into the interior and removed the door boot and then slit it.
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Old Dec 10, 2004 | 06:08 PM
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Great, I guess I have that to look forward to. I think I'll try to get away with just doing the rear doors when I replace those speakers. (As I keep saying, I'm not a fan of rear fill--I want most of the noise coming from further away).
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