bbalestier

These things sound like loose farts.
And when I turn bass down it effects the rest of all EQ all around.
Any comments?

Tsx536

Yes, you're not the only one who thinks those 6x9's sound terrible. They rattle really bad and make the rear dash rattle too.

IMHO, You should replace them with either 6x9 woofers or take them out completely and run a subwoofer in the trunk. In the TSX, these speakers only recieve bass so if you buy 3 way 6x9 or something else keep in mind that the highs/mids won't really have any sound coming from them. There's a thread that was posted a few days ago abou the Polk Momo 6x9's. You should check out that thread to start off with. good luck!

bbalestier

I just want to replace 6x9's with tighter sounding ones.
I think the OEM's are paper?
Poly Coated cheap 6x9's should do it.
HMMMM?

Tsx536

Well, I would wait around for Elduderino. He can give you some very good suggestions and honest advice depending on what you're looking for. He posted saying he'll be in Vegas until Monday, so I would do a little research and wait around for him.

The choice of 6x9's will also be dependant on your budget and whether or not you are planning to add an amp for them.

bbalestier

No not adding amp.
I'm leasing this one.
Thank You.

TSXTuner

I was the one with Polk Momo link.
I tested connecting only the high side out of the crossover, there are mids
coming through the 3-way, but no highs.
At least the 3-way is not totally wasted.

bbalestier

How do they Sound?

xaznperswaesonx

if not .. just go get a MB quart reference model 6xp COMPONENT .. and sell the tweeters on ebay.

elduderino

Hi there, TY X : )

The OEM 6x9s are injection molded graphite cones... and crappy cloth surrounds.

IMO if you change out the 6x9s the relative efficiencies become a problem. TSX TUner did Polk all the way around, and I think that kept the various speakers close in terms of efficiency. If you dropped the MBQs in the door speaks would overpower them (since the OEM amp has no woofer gain control...)

Mr.Sparkle

Has anybody had any luck with just replacing the 6x9's with a set that is relatively similar in terms of efficiency, so that the aforementioned issue can be avoided?

Thanks,

Scott

BallsOfSteel

I have just purchased Rockford Fosgate P1692S 6"x9" Component System for $136.95 from www.thezeb.com. I will only use the woofers and give away to tweets to a friend. I will let you know the outcome once I install the speakers.

slobeatz

On the rattling issue, I just removed my rear deck and installed dynamat to the top and bottom. I have no rattling issues anymore. Now I just think I'll upgrade my alpines to something a little better. Maybe the MB Quarts with an amp.

bbalestier

I just ordered some cheap 6x9 2ways less than $50.00.
Poly woofer I don't care about the the tweeter.
I'll let everyone know what they are like after the install.
Yeah or Neah!
The question will be answered!
This is a leased automobile.

Tsx536

How hard was the rear deck removal?
What do you have to do?

elduderino

1) You say that a lot. It takes 10 minutes to swap 6x9s in this car, so why does it matter?

2) I bet they are an improvement, but that they still sound like crappy 6x9s.

3) If you aren't totally pleased by this, I will send you a set of my lower-power 6x9s to try out. Pay if you like them.

Mr.Sparkle

elduderino,

Can you please post some pics/specs of your 6x9's, or direct me to a link that does so already?

Thanks,

Scott

Gpump

Bass Mechanic also knows a bit about this stuff but 6X9's are not really what he deals with. Eldurino seems to know a bit, I'd take him up on the speaker trial offer thingy. Stock speakers in general are not the tightest or hardest hitting things. I'm leasing my car (but buying it after the lease) so my speakers/amp are long gone. It's really easy to replace the back speakers. Go for it, just make sure the new ones aren't really high end as they are likely to require more power than the hershey bar sized amp can push.

Mr.Sparkle

I've seen speakers with an efficiency rating of 92db. Will that be effecient enough to match the stock 6x9's?

Thanks!

elduderino

IF that speaker is from a major manufacturer, the rating might be a lie, but it also might be with a 1K sine wave, so it's hard to say, really.

Makers have started lying about efficiency for some time now. I've seen 92dB 4" speakers.

Mr.Sparkle

Thanks! They were Infinity speakers.

What are the specs on your 6x9's?

slobeatz

sorry for the late reply.

1. Unplug the battery
2. use a small flat-head screw-driver to pop out the SRS airbag warning
3. use another flat-head screw-driver to pop off the cover..it's all pops, no screws
4. there are 6 screws holding the carpeted piece down. 3 under the speaker grils and one close to where the pillar covers where. Be carefull of the box connected to the glass (I don't know if it's for the defroster or antenna)

5. you can either pop off the plastic that runs across the front of the dash (must remove seat to do this) or use a flat-head screwdriver and place it where the seam is between the plastic and the carpeting. The carpeting is just held in place by sections that look sort of like this if you were looking down at it
---\______/--- There are four of five little bumps like that which push into the plastic peice to hold the carpeting in place

6. There are two releases by the 3rd brake light that you need to push towards the rear window to release.

After that you should be able to pull the deck out.

Tsx536

Great explanation. Thanks Slo! I might have to do that soon!

slobeatz

Now I have a problem though. Ever since I dynamated the dash I am having a problem with my speakers popping. At first I thought it might be the woofers hitting the grill, but it seems to be that they are hitting the tweeter. I went back in and removed the dynamat that was wrapped around the speaker opening and that had seemed to fix the problem. But, today I was driving with my sun-roof and two front windows open all the way and the popping came back. Is it an air pressure issue, or did I bend the frame when reinstalling the speakers?

bbalestier

OK I'll keep that mine.
Thank you for your support.

Is there any small 4 channel amps out there that will fit without being a painfull install?

TSXTuner

I'm very pleased with my system. 4 db650 doors, momo 6x9.
I had a loaner TL and mine is better, I had a infiniti and it was
worse than stock TSX so no comparison. I'm doing the same thing
in my other 04 accord 2dr cpe.

I don't know much about amps, i could do it myself. My concern is
I would have to amp 8 speakers or the rear would overpower.
Or do you count all the coax, it's 14 speakers then !
I don't
know how to do that cheap. I don't want to move the soundstage
back. This worked without amps.

It didn't loose any volume, maybe gained
and definitely a lot more bass. Those hip hop songs on FM have very
strong bass. In my music there are subtle bass lines that I never
heard before , Tom Petty, Zepplin kind of stuff.

I would like to find some nice silk front tweeters that install without
modification.

bbalestier

Thanks for your reply.
I've got few tricks up my sleeve.
I might change my tweeter.
I find Silk tweeters with a high quality cap as you crossover. VIFA Silk.
Have a great day.

Mr.Sparkle

TSXTuner,

You are using the stock head and amp, right?

Scott

TSXTuner

Yes all stock. I don't know much about amps but amping 8 speakers,
14 with coax, would be rediculous. What 4 amps ?

There is no volume loss with the Polks.

I can't recommend speaker brand, everyone has a different ear.
But give it a chance, all the common brands mentioned here can
be compared directly at Cicuit City.

If one is interested in audio quality, they cetainly wouldn't amp the stock speakers. For me speakers were first and then there was no reason
for amps.

Gpump

I used Polk db6500 (tweeter/mid component system with crossover for front) and the db650 in the back doors - 6X9's went away for one sub in the trunk. That leaves me with 2 old amps - I was afraid the stock amp wouldn't be able to do what I wanted with my new speakers, but I guess y'all found out it works just fine - oh well, it was fun to do anyway.

If you're gonna put separate tweeters in the dash, why not get a crossover so that you sort of make your own component system? Then you'd need a 2 channel amp for the 6X9's and a four channel one to power all your doors. Granted, this would make the tweeter in your front doors kind of useless.

You wouldn't need an 8 channel amp if it was stable down to lower ohms (like 2) so you could wire several speakers off the same channel.

PM me if you wanna see what I did - it's not a very clean install relative to what others have done, but unless you pop my trunk you can't tell I did anything at all to the car.

kaikai114

Elduderino,

I've got a noob question, would it be better to replace just the 2 6x9 oem woofers in the back with ones that give deeper and stronger bass, or should i take the oem 6x9 out and install a whole new woofer system in the trunk? Which one would give me more bang for the buck? I'm pretty pleased with the oem 6x9 (aint much of a speakers guy) but just would like a little bit more punch listening ot hiphop and all that. Which setup would you recommend? thanks in advance!

-KC

elduderino

It's definitely lower cost to upgrade the 6x9's . but the tradeoff may be max volume.

WIth the stock 18w x 8 chip-amp, there's a limit to how much volume you can get, and a lot of better speakers are less efficient-some much less, some a little less, but heavier cones and lower Fs resonant frequencies and that sort of thing conspire to make better-sounding woofers a bit quieter.

Stand by while we get my 6x9s tested.

Bootlegged

I would imagine that you receive less audio quality from the rear TSX door speakers due to their placement low to the ground and aiming towards your feet. I had friends sitting in the back one day and they said all they could hear was bass. When I turned it down...I could barely even hear the bass then from the driver's seat!

What I'm gathering thus far from this thread is that...it's not as easy as just replacing the woofer 6x9's with 6x9's or 6.5's that produce high's and mid's and then getting a sub.

To get high's and mid's to the rear deck...would that involve rewiring the audio wires from the rear door's to the rear deck? Or is there anothe way?

Deal with it...I'm a

bbalestier

The rear 6X9's Only produce Low frequencies!
Save your $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Unless you did like me and got a speaker that I did not care about producing mid or high frequencies.
There are solutions.

elduderino

Ignore him, he's quitting smoking.

You don't want mids and highs in the rear deck... that is NOT "better sound". To get them from the OEM amp involves re-wiring the amp slightly. Not worth it... but possible to trade the R doors and R deck.

Plenty of people have gone with the OEM amp and gotten new 6x9s. They were intended to be full-range 6x9s... but they only play bass in the TSX, and the bass sounded better than the OEM 6x9 bass did. Perhaps some people who did that expected highs to come out of them... but I bet most did not.

If youn are swapping out the amp, then it's irrelevant.

CJams

I replaced mine this weeknd with JBL 6x9's. They sound a little better, but at least they don't pop and crack when turned up all the way. They were about $130. I thin that, if you're not going to ad an amp, a decent pair of $50-100 6x9's would be fine. They will definately sound better than the stock 6x9's and most likely wont pop and crack.

BallsOfSteel

I agree. I just replaced mines also with a pair of Rockford Fosgate P1692S only using the woofers. They sound alot better than stock. No pops and cracks for me. But one thing I must point out, the woofers are not getting pushed at all and are in need of a amp to feel the full effect of the woofer sound. So - Yes - I am thinking about getting an amp to push these woofers more.

BlackTSX

eld:

I was reading the post about your install in the CLS, sounded great. And i was also looking at yoru site, and reading about the possiblity of the group buys. Would the TSX get a decent benefit in just replacing the 6*9's with your av speakers? And if so how much does a set go for. I would like to do the sound system evenutally but will prob do it a tiny bit at a time, and at this point im still one of those guys looking for some more kick in the bass first, and then going after the rest of the sound.

And i ahve searched the audio discussion and read a bunch of posts, but im still pretty noobish when it comes to car audio so any help is very appreciated!!!

Thanks!

curik_euro

Hi there, I just swapped the stock 6x9's with Focal Access 690CA's and everything else is still stock. The 4 screws didnt really fit exactly so I forced them down and ended up slightly slanted, but still OK IMO. The sound is way better than stock. Volume is very slightly lower than stock, so I needed to compensate it by switching the fade to R1. Using +1 bass is equivalent to +3 on stock. Using +0 treble is equivalent to +2 on stock. Cranked up the volume, putting bass into 6, no popping whatsoever. Im so happy with the Focals. The only issue is the rattling brake light which needs to be held in place. Anyone has come up with a solution? I couldnt find it. Thanks

CJams

Welcom to the world of non fart sounding 6x9's

I haven't had any brake light rattles so I cant help you there. Try searching for it, there might have been discussion before about it.

vidgamer

I had a slight brake light rattle (maybe, not sure). There were a couple of suggestions, but I decided to stick a small piece of dynamat in there, as I recall. Sounds great.

Yeah, the stock screws just don't seem to work well with the aftermarket speakers. Elduderino provided a new set of screws with his 6x9s.