sfont012

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ok i need as much hard hitting bass as possible out of one 10 inch sub. I listen to alot of hip hop and rap


right now i have a 10w3v2 in a sealed box powered by a kappa 102a amp that does 300 rms bridged into 4 ohms.


this current setup is not hitting hard enough for me, so i'm wondering what 10 inch speaker would give out the most bass possible in a sealed box


kappa perfect or 10w6v2, or any other suggestions for one 10 inch subwoofer in a sealed box.

seanranger3

i love jl. so go with jl. i have a 12w6v2 powered by a 500/1 and it pounds

sfont012

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yea but i have a 10w3v2 in there right now and im not impressed, i think i can do much better.


the next step up the 10w6 is only rated about 100rms watts better than the 10w3, and the efficiency of these subs just dont look that impressive compared to the kappa perfects

dnd2984

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I had kappas, Nothing will pound like a JL. The 10w6v2 in the ported box sounds like 2 12s.

With the 10w6v2 you will need a new amp to. The W6v2 only come in dual 4 ohm.

sfont012

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yea im lookin at a new amp right now, but wanna decide on a sub first.

im really torn right now, i had a kappa perfect before and i can say its definately better than the 10w3v2.

just not sure if its better than the w6

uncald4

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I'd shoot the amp. I had 150 to 200 watts from a Phoenix Gold running it and it railed. It hit harder and deeper than the W6 in my Civic. But, if you've got a bigger amp I'd go for the 10W6V2.

For comparison I have the same enclosure in my wifes Accord with a 10W6. The W3 in the TL hits way harder than the W6 in the Accord. But the W6 rumbles a bit more and could benefit from a lot more power.

sfont012

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i was starting to think it could be the amp also, but i think it could be that i'm replacing two 12's with one 10" sub, and i'm expecting to much from the 10" jl.

and i think i should get my hands on a real 2 ohm stable amp that can do at least 400-500 rms and then see what i think.

sfont012

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by the way travis the enclosure you made is top notch! thanks!

there is no way i'd put anything else in the trunk, and the carpet matches perfectly, i'll post some pics once i get my q-logic amp rack installed.

dnd2984

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hmmm if you are trying to replace 2 12s go with a single 10" ported. I use to have a 10w7 ported with my 500/1 and it was insane. But the 10w6v2 ported also gets pretty damn loud.

If you are going with a small sealed 10" have you thought of the IDMAX 10"

dnd2984

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also talk to 02cls on the forum I also sold him one 10" w6 awhile back and he said its simply insane.

sfont012

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i'm willing to go with whatever everybody thinks is THE best 10" sub for a sealed enclosure.


has to be good in a sealed enclosure because i dont want a box in my trunk. I have one of uncald4's custom enclosures that fits like a glove in the corner of my trunk and there is no way i'll use anything else.


so i was thinking

jl 10w6 or maybe just keep the w3 if i can make it perform better.


kappa perfect 10"


image dynamics 10"


but i'm open to suggestions, plus i'm not sure if all of those will fit in my enclosure.


appreciate your help guys!

uncald4

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I'd definitely upgrade the amp first. The 10W3 and 10W6 can lay down the law when powered right. I've installed hundreds of different subwoofers over the past years. My favorite sub for most sound quality applications is the W3. For more rumble but less sound quality the W6. The Diamond Audio D3 is right between those two. Then for all out dirty bass I'd pick the W7.

I have an 8" Solobaric in my truck that blows the nuts off the W6 in my wifes car. But it's in a downfire box inside the cabin running off a Phoenix amp that you could weld with all day.

It's all about the formula Steve. The amp plays the biggest part. Get that formula right and you'll be wetting your pants in no time.

dnd2984

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the W3 has better Sq than W6v2 I have tried many different subs with my 500/1 and for SQ I have not come accross better than 10w6v2.

I have tried the W3v2 and W3v3 in many different applications and not once did it sound better than a W6.

I agree with the formula, Right box and airspace makes world of a differ.

Couple years ago I installed a 8" Kicker Solorbaric L7 with a kicker 600.1 in a single cab S10 in a ported box tuned to 38hz. And Good God that thing was freaking loud.

afaceinthecrowd

www.soundsolutionsaudio.com pick up an icon and rock 1kw to it. build a box that is 1cf ported and it will absolutly WANG.

sfont012

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i have this w3 sounding good with a bazooka amp, maybe sounds a lil better than the infinity, but i have the gain on about 8/10.

with the infinity kappa amp i had the gain at about 4/10 never occured to me to put the gain up on the infinity kappa amp. sheesh!!!!! stupid !!!!

now i'm on my way to pick up a kicker zx 400.1, well see how that goes!


also if i want to check the impedance on the jl speaker, can i just put a ohm meter on the speaker teminals on the box or on the speaker wires themselves?


any help would be appreciated.

afaceinthecrowd

yeah you can do that with the ohm meter. it'll depend on where you put it, if you put it on the terminal after wiring the woofer, you will get the final impedance rating, if you do it at the woofer, then you will get the impedance of the individual coils.

uncald4

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Just put your test leads from the ohm meter on the speaker wire coming from the enclosure. You never adjusted the gain on the Kappa amp? You're fired son!

sfont012

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yea real STUPID!!!!! cant believe i didnt adjust the gain, however it was dialed in about half way so probably wouldnt have made much of a difference anyways.

still waiting on the kicker amp, the bazooka amp is garbage! gonna give that to my girl. after riding around for a bit i found that the kappa amp is actually much better than the bazooka, night and day!

hopefully the kicker amp is works for me!!!!! please god!!!!

sfont012

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ok finally got a real 2 ohm stable mono amp. kicker zx400.1, birth certificate for the amp says 448 watts at 2ohms.


system sounds better! much better! but i can tell i'm going to want more.

normally i dont blast my music like crazy but sometimes after a long day of work i just wanna feel the bass shake the earth!! but only for like 5 minutes !! then back to normal.

uncald4

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W6 woot woot!!

sfont012

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uncald4



just out of curiosity, could you build an enclosure for a w7?

uncald4

iTrader: (3)

um........ yes. But don't tell anyone. j/k

I would need a TL in my garage for a few days to get it done. And the enclosure would run about $500 to pay for the Kevlar/Polyester shell of the enclosure. But, when all said and done...... you'd be able to mute out a thunderstorm with your bass. I would be scared for your trunk lid.

victorvu

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you want more bass? GO WITH THE 10" KICKER SOLO X. 2500rms- 5000watt peak.

feuss2

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How about:



from:

http://www.mtx.com/caraudio/products...jackHammer.cfm

dnd2984

iTrader: (6)

you dont have power for a w7. The W7 is only 3 ohm.

dnd2984

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To make the W7 sound good you will need a big box. Mine took up half the trunk with the box being ported.

afaceinthecrowd

that's a big steaming heap.

sfont012

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im still deciding between a w6 and kappa perfect.


i also have researched and found good reviews on ID, Adire, and a few others.


also, im thinking i'd like a sub with a frequency range approx 20-400 hz and same for the amp. right now the only sub i know that can do this is the infinity kappa perfect.

I'm noticing alot of manufacturers are not publishing all this info and its hard to find!

dnd2984

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ummm are you serious about the freq range?? Normal music produces bass in the 36 to 45 hz range. You looking for subs that go down to 20hz is irrelevent. At 20hz you will hear nothing.

sfont012

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well anything below approx 25 hz is nice but wont be a deal breaker, but if i can find a sub that can do that it would be nice. On that same note I did have a kappa perfect 12 that went down to 18hz and although most music wont do that, there are songs out there that do.

I'm really more interested in a sub that will go up to about 350-400 hz.


are you saying that this is rediculous? that almost all drum and bass beats are between 36-45 hz? and that it would make no sense to amplify these other frequencies?

I mean i understand that what you are saying is mostly true but does it apply 100% of the time?

uncald4

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^^A little off.... A good frequency band for subwoofers to play is between 20 and 100hz for a 10" sub. There is no reason for a subwoofer to play any higher that 100hz. I usually like to set the frequency range between 30 and 80hz for a 10" subwoofer in a sealed enclosure. Your "hard hitting" bass happens at 60hz and above.

Steve... most amplifiers that have a low-pass filter (crossover) roll off at 80hz. Some at 100hz if you spend more money. I've done plenty of audio systems that had a midbass driver which would be in the frequency range that you're talking about. But midbass drivers come in 8" and 6" sizes and cover 80 to 250hz. There is no reason to do this anymore because most newer component and coax sets can now play those frequencies flawlessly.

sfont012

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for anybody who had any input into my thread I appreciate it!!!! your opinions and help are always welcomed here!!!

So anyways guys I went back and rewired some things and this setup pounds!!!!

I will not be replacing any speakers, my rearview is shaking when I want and it sounds awesome!!!! DAAM it sounds good!!!!

once again , evryone thanks for the help

lensam69

This just means that you've never heard a real 20Hz tone. Go find yourself a properly set up system, and listen to the last 10 seconds of the Superman II theme song (NOT FROM AN MP3 please...). It will shake the fillings from your teeth...