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So are you saying that all Acuras over the past 8 years have tanked in reliability? This sounds like an inaccurate sweeping generalization. You have no clue which Acuras I’ve owned or how long they have lasted. SMH. Think before you type next time.
I will add that the cool seats are a very nice feature I didn’t know I needed. I thought 20+ years of sweaty nuts were just a normal thing while driving on a 100° day. I’ll give up surround view for cooled seats. Slightly concerned there’s going to be a lot of sand ending up in the perforated seats after I arrive in Florida Thursday.
Problem is most cars do not have "cooled" seats. Ventilated seats generally recirculate air from the interior. Cooled seats generally have one or more peliter units & fans in the seat. I have had both Cooled is better.
Active autowerke (catted) version. Wasn't cheap but well worth the money for the quality and peace of mind. I'll install it myself once it comes in and have my performance shop reflash tune for the down pipe. I know @kuzdu is excited for me. I'm jelly that his M240 does 0-60 in low 3's
Problem is most cars do not have "cooled" seats. Ventilated seats generally recirculate air from the interior. Cooled seats generally have one or more peliter units & fans in the seat. I have had both Cooled is better.
It was a MUST have option with my M40i. I could careless about the guys on the BMW forums saying "It doesn't have adjustable bolsters", in this summer heat, fuck the bolsters.. My base X3 has the sport seats with adjustable bolsters. They feel more snug but really suck in the summer heat.
I got one of mine 335is through Burgher Motor Sports. Can't remember where I got the 135is part from. Was one of the name BMW parts email suppliers. Was a little over $100. Burghers pipe was more expensive. Nothing really special about them some have bungs for meth in injection some don't.
Key is the locking clip at the throttle body. If you have yours, I was 50/50 one to Valhalla & one in the under pan that I found, be sure to buy one, about $20 a real rip but most pipes do not come with one.
Active autowerke (catted) version. Wasn't cheap but well worth the money for the quality and peace of mind. I'll install it myself once it comes in and have my performance shop reflash tune for the down pipe. I know @kuzdu is excited for me. I'm jelly that his M240 does 0-60 in low 3's
Are you getting a check engine light? Any exhaust smell in the cabin? I’m trying to decide if I should get one for the M340 but don’t want to deal with the CE light or any fumes but just a down pipe is giving people on the Bimmer forum crazy gains.
I got one of mine 335is through Burgher Motor Sports. Can't remember where I got the 135is part from. Was one of the name BMW parts email suppliers. Was a little over $100. Burghers pipe was more expensive. Nothing really special about them some have bungs for meth in injection some don't.
Key is the locking clip at the throttle body. If you have yours, I was 50/50 one to Valhalla & one in the under pan that I found, be sure to buy one, about $20 a real rip but most pipes do not come with one.
That's the thing, there is some CR data but is it absolute? Not necessarily as AoA showed in his overall reliability and quality video he did recently. The people that really know are the manufacturers who have their vehicle warranty repairs and such data. AFAIK none of that is public for any manufacturer.
Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory
Its not a matter of horsepower its a matter of pressure on components. At 15PSI my charge pipe was go to go. At 18.5/19 it shattered at the throttle body connection and had to be replaced with an alloy piece. Lost two before I was able to get an alloy replacement. Very common with high boost BMW's thats why the alloy units are available in the aftermarket. When you start putting pressure outside I the structural design specs things break. Clamps give way all kinds of interesting stuff can pop up and break.
Having actually experienced my share of unintended consequences over the years I chuckle at the spec guys who never turned a wrench saying 'it would only take this or that" for a killer Type S that everybody says they don't want.
A few years in one of these you can learn a lot & realize how much you don't know. Should have added had/have alloy charge pipes the 335IS & 135IS both running/ran JB4 units
M88?
A turbo/intercooler coupling was all that stood in the way of Toyota winning their first LeMans in 2016 in the last minutes of the race, life is hard in endurance racing no doubt.
Yeah I did work for Acura, til they wanted me to do something illegal and I walked out. Doesn't mean my credentials are any less good or my experience is now obsolete. Now I run an honest construction business and make a very good living which has paid for everything I own. Can't speak for everyone pal, we all make our choices good or bad so Ditto... Keep me on the ignore list and stop wasting each others time.
Be well in life Legend!
Meh, then don't reply to my posts I don't reply to yours
Are you getting a check engine light? Any exhaust smell in the cabin? I’m trying to decide if I should get one for the M340 but don’t want to deal with the CE light or any fumes but just a down pipe is giving people on the Bimmer forum crazy gains.
Not with this down pipe. It's expensive for a reason and guaranteed no CEL. Though reflash tuning would be ideal to get the most performance out of it. Here is the website I purchased it from. The guy is a vendor on Bimmerpost. https://x-ph.com/active-autowerke-aa...tted-downpipe/
This is a great video on down pipes. It helped me pull the trigger on the one I purchased after a ton of research.
Not with this down pipe. It's expensive for a reason and guaranteed no CEL. Though reflash tuning would be ideal to get the most performance out of it. Here is the website I purchased it from. The guy is a vendor on Bimmerpost. https://x-ph.com/active-autowerke-aa...tted-downpipe/
This is a great video on down pipes. It helped me pull the trigger on the one I purchased after a ton of research.
Get ready to be insulted and called a Google scholar. Facts don’t matter here lol
Yeah, I never get insulted by that stuff, well most never. I started doing car stuff around the 8th grade with the "big guys" in the neighborhood. First car I ever worked on was a '51 Ford Coupe with an Oldsmobile engine. Got hooked then & there. Highschool, Collage, kept my hand in & had some nice cars. Army sent me tracked vehicle school the onto a M88 recovery vehicle, kept me out of the war, 6 of my basic training company went to school the rest to AIT. Been playing with cars ever since.
Find Google useful with brands I don't know that well. My gripe today is too many of the mechanics are parts changers & can't diagnose a fail without a computer. In a reliability thread I stated I have not had a service visit outside of the free annual they do with my state EPA in section since 2012. That visit in one way was a shit show but in another way I got a whole bunch of new parts under warranty.
Car was hard to start after sitting for awhile or over night. I told the service advisor to check the fuel in injectors. He patiently told me their diagnostic program would take care of it. End oh story after 4 visits & new this new that on the 5th visit they told me a fuel injector was sticking open & they replaced all of them. They really only need to do one but they came in sets of three they elected to do all 6.
Clue. When the car started I would get a puff of white smoke & a bad fuel smell so first look to the injectors. Could it have been something else, maybe, testing the injectors was the logical place to start but their decision tree did not go that way.
Never got down pipes. Did/Do have the optional exhausts. That said the 335is was limited because I did not get them....other cars in the test were into the mid to high 11's. Would have had to do a take them off put them on dance every year because they would not pass the visual inspection. That's what I LOVE about the Cobra. Had one official DMV inspection at my house 6/7 years? ago & that was it. Never inspected again as its exempt. No cats, no EGR etc am not required to have anything more than a 1965 427 had.
On Downpipes I should add the JB4 kills the CE light no matter what you do with the exhaust.
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That's the thing, there is some CR data but is it absolute? Not necessarily as AoA showed in his overall reliability and quality video he did recently. The people that really know are the manufacturers who have their vehicle warranty repairs and such data. AFAIK none of that is public for any manufacturer.
M88?A turbo/intercooler coupling was all that stood in the way of Toyota winning their first LeMans in 2016 in the last minutes of the race, life is hard in endurance racing no doubt.
Yes, 1964 M88 960BHP last of the gas engine units. Its funny over the years how many guys have been screwed by the "little" parts. Never a block that brakes in half its a $12 clip that falls off.
Never got down pipes. Did/Do have the optional exhausts. That said the 335is was limited because I did not get them....other cars in the test were into the mid to high 11's. Would have had to do a take them off put them on dance every year because they would not pass the visual inspection. That's what I LOVE about the Cobra. Had one official DMV inspection at my house 6/7 years? ago & that was it. Never inspected again as its exempt. No cats, no EGR etc am not required to have anything more than a 1965 427 had.
On Downpipes I should add the JB4 kills the CE light no matter what you do with the exhaust.
I’m hearing mixed results with the JB4 and B58. Some saying there’s no change others saying you need to add E50 . The JB4 does nothing for 91 octane fuel. There’s only a few super stations in California that have higher than 91 octane.
Problem is most cars do not have "cooled" seats. Ventilated seats generally recirculate air from the interior. Cooled seats generally have one or more peliter units & fans in the seat. I have had both Cooled is better.
I'm not aware of cars in that segment where the ventilation is simply piping air from the interior, maybe in more economy cars....Even Mustangs and Chargers have dedicated fans with Peltier effects climate control units.
Either way, it is a shame BMW dos not offer anything for the M340i.
I saw some of the interior picture of the Type S....did I see it right, is the steering wheel adjustment still manual?? If yes, are they freaking serious??
Not a big deal, Audi S5 has a manual adjustable steering wheel and assume S4 would as well. I can count on my hand the amount of times I had to adjust my steering wheel in 12 yrs of ownership of my TL, our MDX has it and we never use. The TLX seat adjust out of the way for shorter drivers, which makes exiting the vehicle easier.
Not a big deal, Audi S5 has a manual adjustable steering wheel and assume S4 would as well. I can count on my hand the amount of times I had to adjust my steering wheel in 12 yrs of ownership of my TL, our MDX has it and we never use. The TLX seat adjust out of the way for shorter drivers, which makes exiting the vehicle easier.
It makes a difference if a family only has one car and time is split b/w a taller and a shorter driver. All the Benz's I've owned had it and I believe it was on the A6.
I’m hearing mixed results with the JB4 and B58. Some saying there’s no change others saying you need to add E50 . The JB4 does nothing for 91 octane fuel. There’s only a few super stations in California that have higher than 91 octane.
B58 & JB4 don't mix well. FWIW our NC gas in 93. That said some guys with the Toyota B58 are claiming some reasonable numbers. Never bothered with the Z4 as I have no traction at whatever it puts out now. My stock tires are 275-35-19 Michelin PSS Get Flats. That makes the about as wide as the front tires on the red car.
Just doing a punch the gas they slip off the line & 1/2 shift. The cars power/traction match is up the speed chain a bit. Very quick acceleration high speed passing opportunities. I can manage a 3.9 no roll out on occasion but its more luck than skill. More tire would help but with the red car there is no point. Really if I screw around with the Z4 my wife will have my head on a pike.
The red car is the 0-60 house champ. Anything from 2.8 to 3.2. Again its all about the tires & feathering the clutch & throttle. Cobra has 275-40-17 X 315-35ZR-17 barely legal NITTO NT01's DOT Compliant Competition Road Course Tires. Only way to actually get a true 0-60 capability would be on slicks.
BTW these are really good track day tires for the 3/4 series.
Anyone know if the 4th gen TL is a 6MT? IF so, I can see it doing very well. I wish he brought a 3rd gen 6MT TL-S. I wouldn't be surprised if it edged the TLX-S in a roll.
Anyone know if the 4th gen TL is a 6MT? IF so, I can see it doing very well. I wish he brought a 3rd gen 6MT TL-S. I wouldn't be surprised if it edged the TLX-S in a roll.
I dug up the numbers yesterday, but my post got lost in the flurry of arguments going on. This race should be very close. I think these numbers show how mediocre the new Type S is compared to the relatively strong performance sedan that the old Type S was. Took Acura 13 years to gain half a second. Beat that.
C/D TEST RESULTS - 2008 TL TYPE S ................C/D TEST RESULTS - 2021 TLX Type S 60 mph: 5.5 sec ................................................ .. 60 mph: 4.9 sec 1/4 mile: 14.1 sec @ 101 mph ............................... 1/4-Mile: 13.6 sec @ 103 mph PRICE AS TESTED ............................................... PRICE AS TESTED $50,122 inflation adjusted (base price: $38,940) ..... $54,625 (base price: $53,325)
I dug up the numbers yesterday, but my post got lost in the flurry of arguments going on. This race should be very close. I think these numbers show how mediocre the new Type S is compared to the relatively strong performance sedan that the old Type S was. Took Acura 13 years to gain half a second. Beat that.
C/D TEST RESULTS - 2008 TL TYPE S ................C/D TEST RESULTS - 2021 TLX Type S 60 mph: 5.5 sec ................................................ .. 60 mph: 4.9 sec 1/4 mile: 14.1 sec @ 101 mph ............................... 1/4-Mile: 13.6 sec @ 103 mph PRICE AS TESTED ............................................... PRICE AS TESTED $50,122 inflation adjusted (base price: $38,940) ..... $54,625 (base price: $53,325)
Facts are Facts no matter how you look at it.
In all honesty, I wasn't wrong with the TL-S edging past the TLX-S in a roll race.
I'm not aware of cars in that segment where the ventilation is simply piping air from the interior, maybe in more economy cars....Even Mustangs and Chargers have dedicated fans with Peltier effects climate control units.
Either way, it is a shame BMW dos not offer anything for the M340i.
Yeah 5 is as low as they go in BMW except for the M3/4. Maybe next time just one more summer after this one. Or will have to steal my daughters BMW but hers are only ventilated. My FORD's had it going back a few generations I refurbished the units in the 2007 Expedition XL when I recovered the seats.
I am going by the car brochure or spec words when they say ventilated vs cooled as the words have a specific meaning in cars.
Both front seats have three levels of heating. The Advance and A-Spec Packages add three levels of ventilation. Ventilation works by drawing air into the seats through tiny perforations in the leather.
FORD The climate controlled seats do not use refrigerant and they also are not tied into your air conditioning system . They use a Thermo-Electric Device and a fan to cool and ventilate.
Last edited by BEAR-AvHistory; 07-27-2021 at 07:39 AM.
Facts might change based on the timing system C&D was using back then......Still it will be fun to watch.
The TL-S major issue will be stick or AT. The AT sucked.
Thing kicked me out before I was finished.
The TL-S major issue will be stick or AT. The AT sucked & might be to warn out to get the job done. Kind of wish the had a base TL 6MT to make it 4 cars. When I was still doing Tae Kwon Do one of my students had a TL-S AT & my TL 6MT would beat it.
Active autowerke (catted) version. Wasn't cheap but well worth the money for the quality and peace of mind. I'll install it myself once it comes in and have my performance shop reflash tune for the down pipe. I know @kuzdu is excited for me. I'm jelly that his M240 does 0-60 in low 3's
yup your going to love it.....and if you decide you need more power and go catless watch out everyone these cars are serious haulers once tuned. Yesterday i ended up running with one of the new M5's we kept up head to head and i backed off at 80 because i only had 10 miles left of gas. He gave me a look and i smiled and exited, maybe from a dig with launch control i could have taken him but the M5 is beautiful and just says hey get out of my way lol. let us know once the pipe is on, wait till you floor it and it just keep hauling
Are you getting a check engine light? Any exhaust smell in the cabin? I’m trying to decide if I should get one for the M340 but don’t want to deal with the CE light or any fumes but just a down pipe is giving people on the Bimmer forum crazy gains.
My check engine comes on once every 2 weeks and i just reset it with my Jb4 and if you stand behind the car when it's on you will smell exhaust but it's not bad. burbles are louder and shift pops are awesomeeeeeeee. what platform are you tuned on? if you got BM3, MHD or any other ECU tune they can disable the cat checks and you will never get the light. i got the VRSF catless and never looked back install was about 20 min. It will wake up your 340, also look into the xhp stage 3 reflash for the tranny i did my car it runs and shift like a dct.
On a side note my acura guy called me and said he has a type s for me to drive but he wants to drive my M i said by all means you can drive a real turbo engine anytime i come in lol, I'm actually going in to get a good deal on the new mdx and send back the rdx
No, I didn't test drive the Type S. A full second faster than my A-Spec doesn't get a rise out of me. I'm happy for all the owners but the car is definitely not worth MSRP+ADM.
For the record, I'm thinking for myself. I've owned MB, Audi, and BMW. Not having power folding mirrors and auto windshield wipers on my A-Spec is kinda sad and something I've learned to live with. I've got 27 months left on the lease and heavily leaning toward German CPO once I'm done.
So already having buyers remorse? Why didn't you go for Advance if these features were important? Why didn't you go for the cheaper German CPO instead of TLX ?
Originally Posted by leomio2.0
Agreed, we'll see where the market is at in a couple years ... right now, CPO is basically the same price as new. If the Type-S is going for mid-$40k range, it will be very hard to ignore. If they're still commanding sticker or near sticker, absolutely not for me.
My brother was the first of us to plunge into a CPO BMW and he's had 8yrs of basically trouble free ownership. He's had to replace the water pump & valve cover (common issues). Other than that, basic maintenance.
I dug up the numbers yesterday, but my post got lost in the flurry of arguments going on. This race should be very close. I think these numbers show how mediocre the new Type S is compared to the relatively strong performance sedan that the old Type S was. Took Acura 13 years to gain half a second. Beat that.
C/D TEST RESULTS - 2008 TL TYPE S ................C/D TEST RESULTS - 2021 TLX Type S 60 mph: 5.5 sec ................................................ .. 60 mph: 4.9 sec 1/4 mile: 14.1 sec @ 101 mph ............................... 1/4-Mile: 13.6 sec @ 103 mph PRICE AS TESTED ............................................... PRICE AS TESTED $50,122 inflation adjusted (base price: $38,940) ..... $54,625 (base price: $53,325)
let’s not forget the car we love to hate: 2015 TLX 3.5 PAWS.
I think it's fair to say that much of the vaunted Japanese car maker reliability rests with the Toyota/Lexus pairing and not such much the disjointed Honda/Acura pairing. Many brands follow a trickle down philosophy from premium/luxury brand to mass market brand but apparently Honda/Acura does not. Makes no sense to me.
Yes Honda/Acura is a very strange company in that regard. Usually you get fancy stuff in premium brands which trickles down to regular brand, not with Honda/Acura, they march to their own beat.
German luxury has electronic steering adjustment (not sure about Lexus, Infiniti, or Genesis). This makes it super easy for individual driver settings to take effect (rearview mirror is always a manual adjustment with a driver change).
Those of us with the 2.0 TLX are not the least surprised as not even the Advance trim has it. Corners are cut to keep the value proposition.
This caught me by surprise on 1G TLX, I just assumed it would have electronic adjustment because its standard on MDX, then I realized that they keep it only on the upper Models (MDX has it RDX didnt) RLX had it TLX didnt. However with RLX gone they have no reason to not include it given that they have ILX as base sedan.
It definitely makes a difference to me to have this in my next car.
I said what I would order. Tell me why with an SUV 4X4 & a Pickup 4X4 I would want a 4X4 in a sports sedan that has traction to cover its power in NC? The M4CS will be a 4X4 because thats how it comes. Would order it if it did not have it because the 503BHP probably 550HP does not have traction to cover its power. Can't you see the advantage of buying what you want & not getting stuff you don't want rammed down your throat buy a one size fits all car?
Take rate on the Type-S would go up quite a bit if it have a flexible optioning.
The point is to do an Apples to Apples comparison, you are comparing Apple to Microsoft
07-26-2021, 07:52 PM
anyone ready?
This race should be very close. I think these numbers show how mediocre the new Type S is compared to the relatively strong performance sedan that the old Type S was. Took Acura 13 years to gain half a second. Beat that.
yup your going to love it.....and if you decide you need more power and go catless watch out everyone these cars are serious haulers once tuned. Yesterday i ended up running with one of the new M5's we kept up head to head and i backed off at 80 because i only had 10 miles left of gas. He gave me a look and i smiled and exited, maybe from a dig with launch control i could have taken him but the M5 is beautiful and just says hey get out of my way lol. let us know once the pipe is on, wait till you floor it and it just keep hauling
