ELIN

Ok, let's not go back 10 years. Surely, Acura could have come up with performance numbers better than their own 3 year old RLX?

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...d-test-review/

Let me also add that the RLX was a heavier car...

Honda430

Do you know of another 4,200 pound 2021 model year car with a turbo six that does a sub 5 second 0-60? I can agree that maybe the car shouldn't be that heavy, but it is.

fiatlux

You act like it’s not the car’s fault that it’s so heavy. Using its weight as an excuse is just loser speak. If Honda/Acura absolutely wanted this car to weigh so much, they should have have it more power to compensate for it. Nobody forced them to make the car so big and heavy.

Kense

LOL there’s so much BS in this post it’s laughable

Honda430

Do you have an answer to the question I presented or only misdirection?

fiatlux

What's the point of your question? Why limit it to a turbo-6? The Charger Scatpack weighs more (4400lb), costs less ($42K), and is sub-4. Some would argue that the NA V8 is at a disadvantage compared to a turbo-6, and yet the Charger is still faster?

Is your whole strategy to set a narrow set of constraints such that the Type S is the only car in the group, and then claim victory because no other car fits those constraints?

ELIN

There are many members here that have much longer history with Acura than me so their disappointment runs deeper whereas mine is pretty superficial.

Honda430, you do have my honest sympathy as it does seem like the detractors outnumber all others. I really hope there is a Type S owner who is dedicated enough to start an owner's thread as I did for the 2.0L. The issues are starting to pile up so hopefully AZ continues the trend of owner support.

Ghostof TypeS Past

They did, it’s called the SE. lol.

fiatlux

Apple priced the SE at half the price. Last I checked the Type S isn't half the price. If it was I don't think anyone would be upset at what it is.

Honda430

Obviously you can't name one. We can just leave it at that.

fiatlux

Again, what's your point? Is that supposed to somehow absolve the Type S? Why do you keep using weight as an excuse?

Ghostof TypeS Past

The thread could have just been titled - “other cars faster than the Type S for $55k.” I think that’s where the confusion comes from.

04WDPSeDaN

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You know this from experience or just saying a bunch of bs?

someguy11

For the sake of calling you out for asking peculiar questions, let's take your first question and chop off the sub 5 second 0-60 requirement. How many 2021 cars with a turbo six that weigh >4200lbs cars do you know of?

I mean, typically, when I hear turbo six, I immediately think high performance and the Euros are the first place my mind really goes. But I don't know of any specifically. Maybe like S6 and S7 caliber cars? And then when you add the performance minimums, it just sounds like you're sending people off on a wild goose chase to prove your unprovable point that the Type S beats a bunch of phantom competition with the same specs at the same price. So can you name one, two or even three, Mr. Misdirection?

I'll give you one that meets your criteria. The AMG E 53. 429hp. AWD> 0-60 in 3.9sec. 4,500lbs. $92k. With the price tag comes both the prestige and the performance to blow the doors off the Type S.

leomio2.0

This seems like kind of a pointless metric? The E450, 540i and A6 all do the 0-60 faster than the TLX and weigh about what it does. Yes, they cost more, but if we're talking about the metrics only of ~4,200lbs and turbo 6-cylinders, you have those examples. As you stated, the problem is that the car weighs that much in the first place.

Honda should just YOLO it before going EV and stick the 3.0T in the Accord. It'll be completely useless (see: a riot) off the line, but so is the CTR, K5 GT & Sonata N-Line. Honda could at least take the crown back from the Koreans for absurdly stupid fun FWD sedan.

ELIN

I've said all along that Acura's biggest mistake was trying to dip their toes into both the compact and mid-size segments, basically guaranteeing they will win neither segment.
This hedging mentality may be ok for the 2.0L but it's a complete disaster for the flagship sedan to be so heavy.

Ghostof TypeS Past

Well said. These are the sensible points I’m my opinion.

To back up this thread - the TLX sucks - especially the Type S - but only when compared to every car that’s $70k or more lol.

someguy11

Uhh, not really. It also sucks compared to a $37k Accord 2.0T Touring.

Ghostof TypeS Past

Lol - I’ve seen that stated many times here but in my opinion the Accord sucks in styling. The TLX looks better than so many cars. Far from sucky.

Honda430

The E450, 540i, and A6 with the 369HP 6T all do 0-60 at around 5.0 before the mild hybrid was added this year to the E450 and 540i. Now those two are .5 of a second faster. The surprising thing to me was that the S6 with 75 more hp than the S4 isn’t any faster than the S4. The point I’m trying to make is that if Acura id to blame for anything it’s making the car too heavy. It’s far from slow for a car that size and actually is competitive with the Europeans of equal weight and engine output.

BEAR-AvHistory

How about 6 clips 1 screw 1 electric plug. 10 minutes is an OK time. If thats to hard to work out filter changes are free for 3 years so you have a lot of time to practice before you are on your own.

"It’s just a look at me" I knew someone would finally get around to this dump ass stupid comment. If you have been reading the form for more than ten minutes You will have read how owners of the new TLX-S are beating off the lookers, photo takers, chatter-uppers, naked mothers whos kid just got run over by the S & so on.

The post reads like somebody trying to do an envy hit piece but not doing a very good job of it.

BTW should you ever get a look at me M340 here are the cliff notes on changing the air filter, as on used cars, you need to DIY.

BEAR-AvHistory

C/D TEST RESULTS
2018 Acura TLX V-6 SH-AWD A-SpecZero to 60 mph: 5.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.2 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 22.5 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.9 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 168 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.86 g

FUEL ECONOMY
EPA combined/city/highway: 23/20/29 mpg
C/D observed: 21 mpg
C/D observed 75-mph highway driving: 31 mpg
C/D observed: 530 mi

2021 Acura TLX Type S
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 4.9 sec
100 mph: 12.6 sec
1/4-Mile: 13.6 sec @ 103 mph
130 mph: 24.2 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 5.5 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 3.3 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 4.5 sec
Top Speed (C/D est): 155 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 165 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 359 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.96 g

C/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 19 mpg

EPA FUEL ECONOMY
Combined/City/Highway: 21/19/24 mpg

leomio2.0

Ah, ok, I see your point now. I don't think anyone is faulting Acura for only getting the performance figures it did with the weight of the car ... it's pretty much what you'd expect. The criticism comes from Acura making the car so heavy in the first place, thus performing as it does.

To further that point, you bring up the S6 not faring much better than the S4, despite being up 75HP. The S4 is 600lbs lighter than the S6, so therein lies the answer. If the Type-S was able to shed some weight (~300lbs), it would be right in line with the likes of the S4, G70 and C43. That would have been something to rejoice, especially if they kept the price point the same. As it stands, I'm still disappointed by what they brought to market. I'm still holding out hope that the aftermarket can rectify that (reliably), but time will tell if its a possibility or not.

petdocmb

I too was a bit disappointed with the type-s performance numbers that have come out, but I'm still getting one. I think it looks way better than any of its competitors and history tells me that an Acura is certainly going to be more reliable than anything from Germany or Korea. I always purchase, so reliability is important to me. I went for just about every accessory too (carbon fiber bits inside and out, welcome light, car cover, trunk tray, all emblems in black chrome, lip kit, black lug nuts, black wheel locks). It's a $60k car now lol. Some people might think I'm crazy to spend that much instead of getting an equivalent S4 or M340i. I'm not. I just really really like the Type-S. I wouldn't be happy driving a faster car with what I feel are vanilla looks and a worrisome brand history with reliability. For what I'm looking for, the only advantage the German or Korean competitors have over the type-s is speed. That's it. For those of you who are enthusiasts that really like Acuras, aren't you curious to see what the aftermarket holds for the type-s? Hopefully a proper tune will remedy the speed issue.

justnspace

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it's a brand new engine, we dont know if it's reliable yet.
BMW's on the other hand have been refining their turbo engines for over a decade.

Ghostof TypeS Past

Meh, maybe… I have a 2G MDX with a 3.7L. That was a brand new engine. No issues other than it gets 13MPG avg.

I have a 16yr friend that also went to Honda PACT and is a Master Technician - his words - the 2.0T is rock solid, why wouldn’t this one be, just like (almost) every other engine Honda has developed.

Also as far as the weight goes, they made the NSX 25 GRAMS lighter with the shift boot, probably why they went with no spare tire and ditched the surround camera on the Type S (as ridiculous as it sounds). Just tear out all the seats, air conditioning and whatever else you can throw out, boom 4 second car.

djhtsx

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I would say with Acura’s conservative approach on it’s power and limiting the RPMs this engine on paper would be more reliable on paper. But of course only time will tell.

Ghostof TypeS Past

There’s a guy on YouTube right now doing a breakdown of the new Type S engine vs the previous J series. I think this is going to be where a lot of aftermarket parts derive from. I think low production will deter some companies from developing aftermarket parts but hey what the heck who knows? I think the old school tuner guys are probably stoked to have a 3.0T to play around with!! I am that’s for sure!

BEAR-AvHistory

Before getting too comfy on the reliability front you might want to view this. Its a small thing but dealer visits are a pain in the ass.

Side Mirror Light Fix

Have not been to a dealer for more than the free service when they do my annual EPA inspection since 2012.

sonyfever

The most important thing is that you like your car, forums are obsessed with best everything but in reality you just find the right mix of ingredients that work for you.

I am fully confident that Hondata/KTuner will bring good stuffs to the engine considering how under-boosted the engine is and how their tunes behaved on K20C, but to be honest I want to say a 50k car should not need aftermarket tuning to have bulletproof drivability.

mike03a3

Those little stories make me laugh. For the most part the current Type-S is better looking than most of the similarly sized sporty sedans running around these days. Except for the odd placement of the rear door handles, which are unkind to my eyes, I think it's a nicer look than my '07 Type-S. I dearly love my old Type-S, but I never thought of it as an attention getting beauty. But seriously, nifty sports sedans are a glut on the market, Every company makes one or more models, and frankly most are not strikingly good looking.
The stories amuse me, perhaps because I've owned cars that are actual beauties, and never bought one because I thought it would impress somebody. But then I'm not so insecure as to need my ego stroked by strangers.

My Jaguar Series III E-Type OTS (open two seater), which I've owned since it was new, has always been admired. Road & Track's great Henry Manney once called the E-Type “The greatest crumpet collector known to man”. The only car displayed in the Museum of Modern Art for its beauty of design. But I bought it for the simple reasons that my very first car was a 1959 MGA, so I always liked sportscars and really wanted a Jaguar. It was my daily driver until 1988. Jaguar had introduced the XJ-S with a fuel injected version of the V-12 in my E-type. But I hated the body style. It was a coupe with an especially ugly flying buttress design to the roof. One day I went to the Jag dealer to buy some gaskets for the E-Type's fuel pump. And there on the showroom floor was a new XJ-S convertible. Jaguar North America had commissioned Hess & Eisenhardt to convert some coupes into drop tops. This was the result:



I had just started a new job with a significant bump in salary, so I bought it that day. There was, however, a bit of an unusual side effect. Jag hadn't made a soft top since my '74 E-Type, and this was one of the first conversions, so virtually no one had never seen one before. Ever.
My new job came with indoor parking, and I was able to wrangle a spot near the elevators between two pillars so no chance of door dings. The building had a restaurant and bar on the ground floor that was well known as the best meat market in the area, with young singles flocking to it for happy hours. Most of them parked in the public part of the parking garage, so they walked by the car to get to the elevator.
That's when the notes started. Women would leave their card or little notes with their name and number under a wiper. Very often. I used to bring them home to share a laugh with my wife. I'm pretty sure my health insurance wouldn't cover the health hazards of dating a woman who leaves her name and number on a complete stranger's car. (This was 1988, so no Tinder yet.) Jaguar starting making factory convertibles the next year, which sold very well. With the Jag dealer in walking distance my car was no longer unique, so the notes dried up.

04WDPSeDaN

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When I hear people say "reliability is important" and "it's why I bought an Acura" I cringe inside and it comes from people are aren't keeping up with the brand. It's been well know that Acura's reliability has tanked the last 8 years. As someone who actually worked for Acura, I can tell you they were less than stellar in the reliability department. Looking at the TLX-S just the engine design / layout, I can firmly assure you within due time it will show it's ugly in reliability. It's a complex design and still requires additional maintenance as in replacing a timing belt. Long term ownership, the TLX-S will cost you more vs the base trim. You also mentioned a tune, but are concern about reliability, well sorry to burst your bubble, but leave it stock, no offense. You got to pay to play as I say. Germans have maintenance included for 3 years, so 3 years of ownership your real cost is insurance and gasoline (possibly tires if you smoked through them). The Koreans are also very reliable and cost of maintenance isn't anything expensive. Again, with all these vehicle have performance bits like suspension, brakes, tires ect, they all generally cost more to maintain. If you're truly an enthusiast or a loyal Acura buyer, this shouldn't be a shocker to you about their reliability tanking over the last years.

04WDPSeDaN

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I wanted to clear the air with many comments about tunes and possible power figures. You can not compare the K20C engine which is a well known to an unknown J30AT engine. The K20C has forged internals as does the J30AT, however this doesn't always mean the engine can support north of 400 to 500 wHP.. The vehicle dynos at 280ish wheel horse power. We are talking about gaining an additional 120+ wHP, which is no small task even with a reflash tune. Ideally for longevity on the engine for boosted applications the internals are forged. The J30AT is still an open deck design, regardless of how thick the walls are. We can't all assume numbers here just because of what one completely different engine does vs the other. It's not an equal comparison. As an example, my J32 running on 3-5 PSI (realistically 3-4 psi), on the stock injectors, stock fuel pump, comptech ACM management with supporting mods nearly put down 340 wHP and 287 TQ. Now it would likely reach 340 as I upgraded to a better J-pipe. Regardless for argument sake, the J32 block can safely hold up to 8 - 9 PSI. After that it's game over. This is an ancient engine, without forged internals, without 6 bolt mains, without thick cylinder walls can has been proven to hit well over 400 wHP. HOWEVER, this is still basic FWD setup. The automatic transmissions normally crap shoot quickly. Most of the power guys are 6MT. The CT-R is still FWD. Factor in the SH-AWD setup and you're dealing with more in between to put the power down. There's no debate if the engine can support the additional power, the real question is, can the transmission and SH-AWD setup handle it? That's where most are missing the point. Can't have reliability in the same sentence when you're looking to gain an additional 120+ wHP (which is a lot more to the crank)

ELIN

I think the consensus on the lack of spare tire and surround camera is not weight but cost. The "value" proposition of Acura definitely holds here.

Honda430

There has never been a spare tire provided as standard equipment with the TLX including the 1G.

leomio2.0

Its not so much that it’s underboosted, it appears that it’s undersized if anything. From what I could find, the TLX is running more boost than its German counterparts. It makes sense … smaller compressor for quicker response. This is why the big end doesn’t feel exactly inspired, as well as the low 6200 RPM redline.

I personally believe you’re going to need to do a turbo swap to gain significant power from this motor, as well as raise redline to take advantage of the shift in the power curve.

justnspace

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good thing you have never heard of the oil consumption issues plaguing the 3.7l engines...so much so, they stopped producing them and went back to the J35.

you also havent heard of the 2.0l motors going into limp mode when trying to pass another vehicle in the rain....plaguing Accords and the RDX.
This is a BIG issue, as some RDX folks feel it's unsafe.

leomio2.0

The TLX may be low production (though Acura has made no claim to it being a limited production model) due to the segment simply not commanding large sales, but remember that this same power plant is going into the MDX and possible the RDX in the future. That should boost interest enough for tuners.

Heck, PRL makes upgraded parts for the 3G RDX, and although the sales numbers are good, the amount of people looking to mod them are likely fewer than the TLX-S. Most RDXs I see driving around are being operated by people who look bewildered at having to drive the speed limit or having to turn the wheel and press the accelerator at the same time. Which I find funny when people harp on the SH-AWD system being so good in corners. It’s completely wasted on 98.44728% of the obscenely terrible drivers who generally purchase Acura products with it.

fiatlux

Anyone know which turbo the J30AC uses?

On that note, remember when everyone was excited about how it might be using a new e-turbo? That would have allowed for the turbo to be bigger for more top-end since the 48V assists with spooling down low. What a tease. So much for that...

sonyfever

TD04, exactly which model I haven't seen it mentioned. So that is where my underboost comment comes from, because it the turbo characterristics is similar to CTR, then closer to 20psi should be reasonable.