Tesla1856

So, I was reading forum and people were mentioning Accord Sport 2.0T. Not bad, but it says it only comes with cloth seats. If you want leather-seats, you have to go with the EX-L or Touring.

All 2020 Accord Powertrains set to: 2.0L Turbo 4-Cylinder 252hp / 10-speed Automatic / FWD
- 2020 Honda Accord Sport (cloth) $31,510
- 2020 Honda Accord EX-L (leather) $32,570
- 2020 Honda Accord Touring (leather, cooled front seats and heated rears, NAV, HUD) $36,400

All 2021 Acura TLX Powertrains set to: 2.0L Turbo 4-Cylinder 272hp / 10-speed Automatic / FWD (no SH-AWD)
2021 Acura TLX 2.0T Base (leatherette) $37,500
2021 Acura TLX 2.0T Tech (leather, NAV) $41,500
2021 Acura TLX 2.0T Advance (leather, NAV, HUD) $46,300

Hope this helps.

cruiserchuck

According to Acura, the base TLX has "Sport seats with leatherette-trimmed interior." So no leather seats on base model.

fiatlux

Might want to add that the Touring also gets cooled front seats and heated rears, something that you don't get with the Base or Tech TLX.

Tesla1856

Thanks. Further demonstrates my point.

Then Tech-Package is truly the minimum accepted entry-level version . I don't think many will buy a 40k luxury sedan with cloth seats.

So, sounds like every TLX feature/trim comes with different seats. Nice

Tesla1856

I was just talking leather, but good catch. Further demonstrates my point.

Yes, I wish we could be allowed to edit.

Maybe someone would like to use my post to build another ... to focus on seats in general. If just seems like a metric most buyers would like to compare (that's is not engines or tech).

cruiserchuck

Honda/Acura seem to be in the lead in even offering leather on many of their cars. On most Toyota and Lexus vehicles, leather, if offered at all, is only available on the high end models. The new Venza, which tops out at over 45K, does not offer real leather. When I was looking at BMWs a while back, almost all 3 series that I saw in stock did not have leather. It was available as an option, but very few cars had that option. Audi, on the other hand, includes leather as standard on most of its vehicles.

JackRydden224

The Accord Touring also has adaptive dampers at $36K.

I was all on the TLX train until I compare the trims to the Touring and found out that the only things I can't get on the Touring are AWD, 360 camera and ELS sound system. The ELS sound system is what I want the most but now for the price difference.

Tesla1856

What exactly is the Active Damper System (only available on Advance) and how is it different from Amplitude-Reactive Dampers (available on all other models) ?

fiatlux

The latter is just a fancy way of saying there are two springs within the strut. Acura has a tendency to give fancy marketing names to pretty regular things. The former allows you to adjust the damping force based on your drive mode, which allows you to have a more supple and comfortable ride, or a stiff and firmer ride at the touch of a button.

leomio85

Funny that you started this thread. A guy I work with has the 10G Accord Sport and we were talking and noticed he had the 6MT. Looked inside and saw the seats. They’re leather (pleather, maybe?) with cloth inserts. I actually really liked them. Keeps you from sliding around, and “cloth” seats nowadays are actually quite comfortable. They don’t get as hot in the summer or cold in the winter either. I get people like the full leather, especially on a luxury car, but on something like the Accord, I would actually prefer these seats over the full leather. That’s just me tho. I really with they would offer the 3.0T in the Accord with AWD and make it the Type R. Price it under $50k and I’d be very happy with that. Maybe mid-40k that the deluded folks on here thought the TLX-S was going to be priced at. That would be a home run. Acura badge means less than nothing to me.

Tesla1856

Not sure if you are cross-shopping other cars, but if so, see this:

https://acurazine.com/forums/second-.../#post16626690

Tesla1856

That's some good feedback.

I've just always liked leather. In fact, all the vehicles in my sig have/had leather (even the old Maxima). Cloth is fine I guess. However, I've had faux-leather desk-chairs peal-apart so I stay-clear of that.

At least with leather ... if you care for it like fine-furniture it tends to hold-up pretty good. Even if it cracks a bit, it normally doesn't rip-open.
Finally, in the other thread ... the poster did those leather after-market (covers ?) on the old Acura and they looked excellent and perfectly stock-ish.

PofessorFrag

I drive a 2018 Accord EX-L 2.0T. AWD is what sets the TLX apart.

The 2.0T is a great motor, and utterly pointless on a FWD car with an open diff. It can’t put the power down.

I mostly got the 2.0T to get the 10-speed auto, which is excellent, instead of a CVT. And non-fake exhaust tips.

If you are getting a TLX, as I am figuring out whether I should after the Accord, please get AWD.

BCOmega

Yes, it offers that, but it also has continuous active damping. From the Acura description for the RDX:Exclusive to the Advance Package, the Adaptive Damper System can adjust suspension stiffness changes in a split second, to both smooth the ride and sharpen handling according to driving conditions. This allows the RDX to remain soft and comfortable during highway cruising, yet firm when the road requires high-performance confident handling.

• Using sensor data, each damper incorporates a continuously adjustable valve which raises or lowers damper fluid pressure and thus the speed at which the fluid can flow from one end of the damper tube to the other. This varying flow rate allows quick and precisely measured stiffening or softening of the damper motion.
• The dampers can adjust from soft to race car-stiff in a matter of milliseconds.
• Turning the IDS to Sport+ will bias the system toward more stiffness, though it still varies by road and driving condition.
• The Adaptive Damper System is always on whenever the ignition is engaged.

https://www.acura.com/rdx/modals/adaptive-damper-system

JackRydden224

I thought about it but one of the biggest reason I gave TLX G2 a chance is because it rides on the 10th Gen Accord platform with a much longer wheel base thinking it's going to have a lot more interior space but I was wrong lol. Luxury compacts are too small for my needs. The older folks in the family don't like being squeezed and it's that much harder to put a child seat in the back. The Accord's limo like interior really helps when hauling people lol

Taz69

Just to add I know I saw a preview of the 2021 Accord with 360 camera. When the 10th gen accord has its mid cycle refresh it will have power folding mirrors. 360 camera and I think some self park assist. Here is a video.

fiatlux

Can't stress this part enough, I was absolutely shocked when I discovered that our larger TLX actually had less room for a car seat than our smaller Volvo. The TLX has a full inch less room for the front passenger with the car seat fitted, even though the car itself itself is 4-5 inches longer.

StealthTL-S

Thanks for this thread. I am very interested in the 6 MT Accord Sport vs. the 2021 TLX. I know the 2.0 Turbo engine is the same with different tuning. I will likely get my car tuned if I get one of these to bring the turbo closer to the specs of the Type R civic , which is also with the same 2.0 turbo engine, just tuned differently. I am very interested in the advantage of AWD in the 2021 TLX, which the Accord does not offer. Although, the TLX does not offer the 6MT manual......I also like leather seats in my cars. If I get the Accord, I will just get all leather seats put in. If, I get the TLX I look to try to get the Tech TLX, for some features, and get the engine tuned to open it up....

Jiten Patel

If your eyes are on the 2.0 Accord Manual then I believe you need to look into getting one very soon. They are discontinuing the manual for 2021. The TLX will get you a better body, overall leading to better handling. The SH-AWD will whip you around corners when you got your foot down. Getting a Tech TLX and then tuning it would be a good option as the price is not too high for what you would be getting.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Just to clarify, the Accord 2.0T and TLX 2.0T are NOT the same engine in the Civic Type R. There are quite a lot of differences. The main thing being that the Civic Type R has a larger turbocharger. It's more than just having different tunes. The CTR's engine can pull hard all the way to its 7000rpm redline. The TLX and Accord will run out of steam after 5000rpm.

Granted, with Hondata Flashpro, you can unlock quite bit of power and torque in the Accord. And if you don't care about warranty, you can swap engine parts from the CTR to the Accord.

The main reasons you want to go with the TLX is for its much nicer interior, optional AWD system, much nicer sound system, much more engaging driving experience, and the front double wishbone suspension.

On the other hand, if 6MT, passenger space are important, then the Accord is better.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

I'm not sure the US Accord will have the same feature set as the one shown in this video. Is Honda bringing back the side mirror camera for the US?

StealthTL-S

Thank you, i did not realize the turbocharger was larger, I would like the CTR, but can't get over the wing and the young look. I really like the TLX for all the reasons you mentioned, price and M/T is what I like the Accord for....

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Np man! You know, that's what I thought about the exterior of the CTR - too crazy. But once you get inside the car and start driving it, you don't see what the car looks like. And you most definitely won't see that big wing behind you lol. It's mounted in a way that you won't see it with your rearview mirror. You only live once man.

loki

That's just flat out wrong. Unlike many other 4 popper turbos (WRX, Mazda 6, etc) - the Accord's 2.0T pulls hard all the way to redline. Especially on the manual variant where you can actually bounce off the rev limited (10AT variant cuts you off almost 500 RPM early).

fiatlux

I'm going to have to disagree; I test drove the Accord 2.0T and (just like with the RDX and TLX) it runs out of steam about 5K RPMs.

loki

You test drove it. I've owned it for 2 years now and have driven 15K miles on it. Who's data do you think is more reliable? And which version did you drive? Salesman allowed you to redline the car? Repeatedly?

fiatlux

If you ask my mom who drove a Corolla for years she'll say it's very fast, but that doesn't make it true. Just because you owned it for a couple doesn't somehow make your assessment about something objective like power delivery any more relevant.

And yes the salesperson let me do WOT pulls onto the freeway multiple times. They're trying to make a sale after all, what difference does it make to them how the car is broken in?

What other cars have you driven? Maybe the only reason you think it pulls hard to redline is because the other cars you've driven had even less at the top-end?

I would defer to your assessment of some of the other facets of the car since you have more experience with it, but I would also take plaudits with a grain of salt given that there's no way you'd have an unbiased opinion about it given that you did own it. For instance, go to the HRV forums and check out how many people there say the car is fast and isn't slow like all the reviewers say it is. Of course they'd feel positive about the car, otherwise they wouldn't have bought it...

loki

It would take less time to tell you which cars I haven't owned.
But since you asked...

1. 1987 Subaru Wagon GL I4 5MT
2. 1987 Nissan Stanza Wagon I4 4AT
3. 1987 VW Golf GT I4 5MT
4. 1987 VW Golf GT I4 5MT
5. 1991 Nissan Sentra GXE I4 5AT
6. 1986 SAAB 9000 Turbo I4 5MT
7. 1983 Mercedes-Benz 300SD in-line 5 TurboDiesel
8. 1987 VW Scirocco Karmann I4 DOHC 16V 5MT
9. 2001 Nissan Sentra SE 2.0 I4 5MT
10. 1998 Mercury Tracer SE I4 5MT
11. 1998 Ford Contour SE V6 5MT
12. 2003 Acura 3.2TL V6 5AT
13. 1998 Ford Contour SVT V6 5MT
14. 2002 SAAB 9-5 Linear 2.3T I4 5MT
15. 1999 Ford Contour SVT V6 5MT
16. 2004 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V I4 6MT
17. 2003 Mazda 6S V6 5MT
18. 1994 Honda Accord LX I4 4AT
19. 2003 Acura 3.2TL Type S V6 5AT
20. 1999 Acura 2.3CL I4 5MT
21. 1994 Dodge Dakota SLT 4X4 V6 4AT
22. 2005 Honda Accord EX-L V6 6MT
23. 1995 Honda Accord EX I4 5MT (Current)
24. 1998 Ford F-150 Triton 4X4 V8 5AT
25. 2003 Acura 3.2CL Type S V6 6MT
26. 2016 Honda Accord Sport I4 6MT
27. 2015 Acura TLX SH-AWD V6 9AT
28. 2017 Honda Accord Sport I4 6MT
29. 2018 Toyota Camry SE I4 8AT
30. 2019 Honda Accord Sport 2.0T I4 6MT
31. 2019 Honda Accord Sport 2.0T I4 6MT (Current)
32. 2013 Nissan Altima 3.5 V6 SL (Current)

This doesn't include some sports cars/exotics I rented for several weeks and had real actual time to test and experience them.

That being said, you still didn't answer me which Accord you drove. It's a very different redline experience on the MT and AT. The AT is little faster due to staying in boost during gear changes but it gets cut 500 RPMs too early. Salesman letting you do WOT is not enough. You need time with the car in 150 different situations, most of which is being broken in. And another thing; find me review of the Accord that complains about falling flat after 5K RPM. I've never heard anyone say this until today (you) and I'm very active on Accord forums. You must have test drove a lemon or had it in ECO or I don't know what. I test drove the new TLX (without salesman due to covid) and the car sucks. Plain and simple, it's too heavy and too slow. My 6MT would blow it away let alone 10AT Accord. Bottom line, I don't need to be right here or have this debate/argument. This is the second 19 2.0T 6MT I own (first one gone quickly due to accident). I drove probably another 10 during my shopping (both 10AT and 6MT) and never once did I see any of them fall flat on their face in any RPM range. I recommend you go try Subaru turbos and see what it really means to fall flat on it's RPM face.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Hahs relax guys. I think it's all relative. I didn't mean to say the accord falls flat on its face above 5000rpm. It still pulls decently well above that range. However, relative to the CTR, the K20C4 in the accord or rdx isn't as eager above 5000rpm as the K20C1 in the CTR. That's where the extra 50hp is for the CTR, all in the top end. And that makes sense since the CTR does have a larger factory turbo.

I do have the rdx 2.0t for over two years now and ctr for over 3 years now. Both are running the available tunes that come with the Hondata flashpro.

fiatlux

1) I test drove both the AT and MT.
2) I never said it falls flat on its face. What I said is that it runs out of steam, which is true; it pulls hard in the mid-range, and it pulls decidedly less hard up top, whereas the CTR legitimately pulls hard to redline.
3) Thanks for compiling the list, but let's be honest, none of those cars in that list are fast cars. I don't think a single car on that list is a 13-second car, let alone 12 or 11. I guess if you have those cars to compare against with, then yes the Accord 2.0T pulls hard above 5000RPMs, but when compared to other cars that have larger turbos that just doesn't hold true.

loki

I'm starting to fail to see your point. I've driven extensively for few weeks or more cars with 500hp. We're getting on a subject now if Accord is a 13, 12 or 11 second car. How did we get on that subject? Accord is not a sports car. It's not trying to be one. It's a solid, well built, reliable and fun family sedan. I'm 36 years old with two kids and a dog. To me 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are silly. When and where are you going to use it? People on Accord forum kept telling me to get the 10AT because it's half a second faster (allegedly) to 60 mph. Comical. Like that makes any difference in real life. The way muscle heads say there's no replacement for displacement, I say there's no replacement for 3rd pedal. But you know what they say about opinions...they're like assholes, everyone has one.

Tesla1856

18. I kept mine for 19 years, but mine was a Black EX-L (Beige leather). I loved that car... A roomy 2-door coupe. Backseat was pretty much the same-size as 4-dr. version.

Mostly Honda dealer serviced. However, as it got older ... particularly proud of this repair . It fell into "limp-along mode" ... pretty cool Honda (they limp instead of leaving you stranded), so I replaced a bad-capacitor on ECU. Was still working perfectly when I traded it.

https://www.hondaaccordforum.com/for...a-48279/page2/

Towards the end, also did (my first-ever on a car) radiator/transmission-fluid-cooler and thermostat replacement. Got me years of use (until 2014-MDX got built). Acura dealer gave me $2500 for it.

22. This is basically what I drive now (but with AT) . Another winner from your list (with the 240hp NA-V6). They say 0-60 is 7.0 secs and I don't doubt it. I've got some "very high-speed" Michelin MXV4's on it. I hate to see it go. Even considered keeping it but I know I would never drive-it with a 2021 sedan in the garage also.

loki

My 1995 Accord has 300K and still runs perfect.

fiatlux

I'm using those cars as a reference. If all some drives are econoboxes, then of course even a car with the most anemic top end is going to feel like it "pulls hard" all the way to redline. Look, I'm not saying that the Accord 2.0T is slow; all I'm saying is that from my experience with the car, this particular motor does not pull that hard beyond redline, especially compared to the CTR with the larger TD04 turbo. If you feel it pulls hard, great, enjoy your car, but I'm willing to bet if you drive the CTR you will feel differently about it. There's no two ways around it; the K20C4 has a smaller turbo and is tuned to provide more mid-range at the expense of top-end, whereas the K20C1 with the larger turbo has more oomph up top while sacrificing a bit of torque at the low-end. And frankly, you don't need to own a car for 2 years to notice that; if you can't tell the difference from even a few minutes in the drivers seat, I can't help you there.

Tesla1856

I'm not surprised. Just do your scheduled maintenance (don't just wait for something to break) and of course repairs with Honda or quality parts.

So, how many water-pump/timing-belt jobs has it had ? (I'm guessing 3)

Carnage719

I'm sure you meant "up to redline".

BEAR-AvHistory

Never drove an Accord 2.0T so can't comment. That said pretty sure I can tell if a car is quick in a few minutes. Don't think you need to put 15,000 miles on one to figure it out.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

You will need a blueprinted B16 engine by Spoon to do that and pull to 11000rpm.

loki

Why do you care this much? What are you trying to prove? Not being a dick, I'm seriously asking. What do you care, you don't own one and sounds like you never will. I've test driven cars that get to 60 in 2 seconds. Don't tell me that's not enough data because you're heavily relying your opinion on a test drive you had with the Accord. You can't have it both ways. Either that's enough or isn't. I know what a fast car is. I don't know why you're so adamant about Accord not being fast. Being "fast" is the most relative thing there is. I could have afforded the CTR, I didn't want it. It's a childish looking and immature. Your last sentece is ridiculous, "you can't help me there" - who's asking you to? Help me with what?

Correct, on third belt/pump and second clutch. I drive the absolutely living shit out of it. I redline it regularly and drive it like a rental. It just refuses to give out. I love that car so much. There's a saying that it's a lot more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. It very much applies here.

fiatlux

2 second 0-60? Pray tell, which car is that? I’m honestly curious.

As for why I care, all I’m doing is saying I agree with the previous poster who says the car runs out of steam about 5000RPMs. You’re the one they decided to suggest my opinion is meaningless because I don’t own the car. What, I don’t get an opinion because it’s something you don’t like? Please