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Frankly I'm surprised the Accord still has one. The only way that's viable is because it's a mass market car - I'd still be shocked if 5% of Accords are sold with an MT.
Neuronbob posted that of 291,071 2018 Accords 746 were 2.0T manuals. 0.25%! That's just ridiculously rare.
Frankly I'm surprised the Accord still has one. The only way that's viable is because it's a mass market car - I'd still be shocked if 5% of Accords are sold with an MT.
Probably you're right!
Just look at used car sales. Date range 2018-2020 for Accord in Toronto region (I chose Toronto over Montreal, as TO a bigger market).
73 MT vs 831 AT. Around 8%. Of course this isn't representative of USA and all other CDN cities. But still it gives us an idea. Why any car manufacturer make MT?
I'd say Audi has the best digital gauge cluster in the industry with their virtual cockpit.(Excluding Tesla Model S, which isn't in the same price league) When I test drove the new 330xi, their version of the virtual cockpit is pale in comparison. It's a $1,100 option to add it and felt like more like a gimmick than it being functional.
I’m currently driving an A4 with the virtual cockpit. It’s really very good. I don’t think I’d go back to a cockpit without some sort of digital layout. Acura’s does look cool so I’d have to see it in person. I would have to believe within the next 5 years most analogs with be gone in most higher end cars. The bmw cockpit doesnt get the same positive reviews as the Audi. Audi was pretty much the first out there with an all digital display
IF the TLX ends up being 50-60K, having such features for the price tag is what the consumers want now a days. The stinger is being refreshed and made changes to keep up with the industry. I'll be honest with you. I wasn't a fan of digital gauge clusters (not a fan of certain models), but I will say my X3 has one of the best digital gauge clusters (2018-2019). I'm not a fan of the 2020+ clusters. It's best to assume at some point for enthusiasts wanting more performance, to wait and see if the aftermarket support will be available. Keep in mind, this is a tremendous step forward for Acura and they are doing things out of the bread and butter cookie cutter builds. It's too soon to assume certain things, so only time will tell.
Agreed! I'd push the button! Acura is going back to their roots but also keeping with what sells (RDX/MDX). As much as I would like a MT, I'm ok with not having it. Acura/Honda have extra money now that the RLX is gone. Their focus has changed as it should have. As far as the interiors gone on the TLX-S. Just make sure the interior is durable (no cracking dashes or ripped leather seats LOL) Digital dash is not mandatory. Keep it simple. Driving experience. Comfort. Looks.
Agreed! I'd push the button! Acura is going back to their roots but also keeping with what sells (RDX/MDX). As much as I would like a MT, I'm ok with not having it. Acura/Honda have extra money now that the RLX is gone. Their focus has changed as it should have. As far as the interiors gone on the TLX-S. Just make sure the interior is durable (no cracking dashes or ripped leather seats LOL) Digital dash is not mandatory. Keep it simple. Driving experience. Comfort. Looks.
Totally agree with you. Unfortunately today, consumers that are willing to spend 50-60K want the most bang for buck. The perfect example of this is the Stinger GT2. It fits in that price bracket and has options that i'm also for sure the TLX-S won't have. Things like heads up display & 4 wheel brembo brakes. The 2021 Stinger will come with a full digital cluster. The TLX-S will compete with the S4, C43 and the M340i. All are optional with heads up display, digital gauge clusters and as stupid as it seems, even real or fake leather wrapped dashboards which is a nice touch IMO. I know the Stinger isn't in the same class, but for a GT2 it comes fully loaded with options that grabs the attention of car enthusiasts that want the most bang for their buck. The deals are out there, a brand new GT2 stinger for $47,971 and that is a lot of vehicle for a great price. https://www.hendrickkia.com/inventor...e55lc2l6072147 . The consumers want as much as they can get for their dollar. Acura really needs this to hit a home run. I'll be honest with you. As someone who owns a vehicle with things like cooled seats, pano roof, heads up display ect. I couldn't go to another vehicle without them. I own a 6MT supercharged TL, it's fun but some of these new automatic transmissions are on point.
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Totally agree with you. Unfortunately today, consumers that are willing to spend 50-60K want the most bang for buck. The perfect example of this is the Stinger GT2. It fits in that price bracket and has options that i'm also for sure the TLX-S won't have. Things like heads up display & 4 wheel brembo brakes. The 2021 Stinger will come with a full digital cluster. The TLX-S will compete with the S4, C43 and the M340i. All are optional with heads up display, digital gauge clusters and as stupid as it seems, even real or fake leather wrapped dashboards which is a nice touch IMO. I know the Stinger isn't in the same class, but for a GT2 it comes fully loaded with options that grabs the attention of car enthusiasts that want the most bang for their buck. The deals are out there, a brand new GT2 stinger for $47,971 and that is a lot of vehicle for a great price. https://www.hendrickkia.com/inventor...e55lc2l6072147 . The consumers want as much as they can get for their dollar. Acura really needs this to hit a home run. I'll be honest with you. As someone who owns a vehicle with things like cooled seats, pano roof, heads up display ect. I couldn't go to another vehicle without them. I own a 6MT supercharged TL, it's fun but some of these new automatic transmissions are on point.
I have told myself if Acura hadn't planned on building another Type-S I would have gone to a Audi S4. Preferably, a B8 S4. Its design looks similar to our TL-S. I've driven my friends 2014. The power, handling, and interior have aged quite well. Haven't driven a new S4 yet. As for the Stinger. My only gripe is the rear styling. I have to see it up close. I've seen a couple in my area in a gray color similar to the Destroyer gray on the Dodge vehicles. I really like it in that color. let's hope for a great reveal today!
Nissan just teased the new 400Z. Can't help but to wonder if they specifically chose today to try to steal some of Acura's thunder. Hopefully it's not 2015 all over again.
Like the rest of you I am looking forward to the reveal, knowing that the Type S will likely be available in late fall and the 2.0 turbo sometime before that. However, as I feel that the current TLX gets a rough ride (ironically) by many here, I just want to reiterate that my 2018 Elite Bellanova Elite ASPEC is one of the nicest looking vehicles on the road today, and gets a lot of positive comments. Yes, I know my interior is apparently dated, but there is so much I like about it, I won't bore you with the details. I hope the new TLX 2.0 turbo is as bullet proof as my 2.4 car has been for the 21 months I have enjoyed leasing, so that I can look forward to a change in a year or two. Now, bring it on
Nissan just teased the new 400Z. Can't help but to wonder if they specifically chose today to try to steal some of Acura's thunder. Hopefully it's not 2015 all over again.
for sure they did that to take some Honda/Acura thunder. Also, they said there will be a new QX60. But honestly, no one cares for Nissan at this moment.
The 3.0 turbo v6 is the first DOHC V6 outside of the NSX that Acura has ever made. Excited to see the eventual specs. Tuning potential should be awesome too!
I've been concerned it would be too big for me, and it probably is. At 194.6" long I'm not sure it would fit into our garage, and it could be a nightmare to park on the street in Philly. The enormous width is a real issue too. A new ILX can't come soon enough. I think this new TLX looks really cool though, and no question I'll test one ASAP.
As a 4 cylinder guy, count me very impressed with the 2.0 car. From what I've heard, both the 2.0 and the 3.0 are true "sport" sedans. I think they will sell a lot of the ASpec 2.0....what will I do with all that power and torque? The advanced air bag design is a nice added bonus, along with the individual dynamic mode and the thematic approach to providing multiple lighting packages. Other than a full digital dash, I see lots to laud and little to complain about for most of us. Can't tell if the 3.0 has one, but honestly, its all about the looks, materials, and driving dynamics.
Inquiring minds would like to know if they finally added a power adjustable steering wheel :p. I always found it kind of odd that they would have memory settings for the seats and mirrors, but you still have to manually adjust the steering wheel when switching back and forth between drivers.
On the video, Marc Ernst said this new model shares virtually nothing with its predecessor or other models in the portfolio. To me, that's a huge red flag because I have no confidence the quality would be any better than the 2015 TLX POS I own.
Test drive the rdx if you want to get a feel for the power of the engine.
What i really hope is they figured out how to diminish the throttle delay between time of input to the vehicle actually moving. I swear sometimes it lags for a whole second sometimes. My supercharged TL DOES NOT have that problem lol. Immediate response whenever you hit the pedal. That's one of the main things that annoys me in our RDX. It just doesn't move when you want it to move.
I fear this will still be a phenomenon in these new TLXs.
Test drive the rdx if you want to get a feel for the power of the engine.
What i really hope is they figured out how to diminish the throttle delay between time of input to the vehicle actually moving. I swear sometimes it lags for a whole second sometimes. My supercharged TL DOES NOT have that problem lol. Immediate response whenever you hit the pedal. That's one of the main things that annoys me in our RDX. It just doesn't move when you want it to move.
I fear this will still be a phenomenon in these new TLXs.
Great, that's the one thing i hate about the ZF9. That delay on acceleration sometimes. Drives me nuts. . .
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