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To make it equal (apples-to-apples) on the Audi Prestige, you might still have to add "Warm Weather Package" to get ventilated seats.
And AFAIK, we haven't even seen the trim-option levels for the Type-S . Some online suggest this version might be positioned to replace other Acura sedans (and with like pricing).
Well, then seems like they would start with a SH-AWD Advance model and go from there. Right?
Unfortunately no. Lots of info and now interior pictures that suggest that the Type-S is basically going to be an A-Spec trim with the bigger engine so it will be missing some of the Advance creature comforts. Plus it's only $45K and that tells me all I need to know about what options will be included; a totally redesigned vehicle with a brand new engine, those costs would need to be made up somewhere if the Type-S was optioned out.
Is it possible that the Type-S will have available a longer list of (creative comforts) options. One thing for sure is the availability of the summer-tire/lightweight-wheel option for the Type-S.
Lots of info and now interior pictures that suggest that the Type-S is basically going to be an A-Spec trim with the bigger engine so it will be missing some of the Advance creature comforts.
Good analysis, but I think we need to see the 3.0T/Type-S Trim/Options matrix (and available Build-to-Order options) before we get too concerned about it.
On one hand, I can see it (especially for initial 2021 launch year).
- Build loaded 2.0T/Advance models and kinda separately ... the loaded 3.0T/Type-S models .
a. Prove all the new mechanical and tech separately in the 2 models.
b. Both models stay "competitively priced" and ends-up giving both types of owners what they really want. The 2.0T engine is good also. Should give 90% of each camp exactly what they want.
Honestly with the Type-S looking like 45k will be the starting point I am satisfied with that. Being a younger guy that is 28 I do not need all the bells and whistles. I just want the bigger engine. Wireless charging is almost pointless if Android Auto and Apple CarPlay is not wireless. As long as driver seat is powered then I will be satisfied and blind spot monitoring and back up camera. That’s all I need to be honest.
I can see the Type-S having only two models, one with Tech and Aspec goods from the 2.0T and the other with Advanced goodies added on.
Really hoping the prices top out at $52K-$53K
Originally Posted by Tesla1856
Good analysis, but I think we need to see the 3.0T/Type-S Trim/Options matrix (and available Build-to-Order options) before we get too concerned about it.
On one hand, I can see it (especially for initial 2021 launch year).
- Build loaded 2.0T/Advance models and kinda separately ... the loaded 3.0T/Type-S models .
a. Prove all the new mechanical and tech separately in the 2 models.
b. Both models stay "competitively priced" and ends-up giving both types of owners what they really want. The 2.0T engine is good also. Should give 90% of each camp exactly what they want.
Acura isn't expecting high sales numbers for the type S. I forgot what the exact percentage was but it was much lower compared to the percentage of non type s models. I doubt they will make sub trims for type s. I believe Type S will just be a model on it's own. The tires will be able to be upgraded and that's probably it. But who knows what else they end up doing.
Feel like a broken record, there is 0% chance the Type S starts at 45k. The current AWD A-spec starts at that. The Type S will start at just under 50k, minimum ... maybe higher.
Feel like a broken record, there is 0% chance the Type S starts at 45k. The current AWD A-spec starts at that. The Type S will start at just under 50k, minimum ... maybe higher.
Your feelings are not in line with what is being reported but I do understand where you are coming from, as I was surprised by this number as well:
I read somewhere above (maybe it was Tony) that it’s mostly RDX A-specs that you see on the road. I tend to agree with that. The real danger is Acura thinks people don’t really care about heated rear seats, 360° cameras, adaptive dampers, etc because the A-spec is selling so well. Then we’re all hooped for the new TLX (as is already now being proven from some of the intel that’s been leaked).
Sometimes I wish I never bought that first NSX back in 1992, cause it got me hooked on Acura. Just wish buying a new modern-day one didn’t always have to be such a gut-wrenching experience.
I have read other articles that said pricing will be announced soon so yeah anyone's guess at this point.
The A-Spec is currently about $6500 more than a base model. If the base model starts at $35k, that probably puts the Aspec somewhere around the $41.5k mark, and I find it hard to believe you can get all the Type-S stuff for just $3500 more. If you can, they're not going to sell any 2.0T ASpec models at all.
The A-Spec is currently about $6500 more than a base model. If the base model starts at $35k, that probably puts the Aspec somewhere around the $41.5k mark, and I find it hard to believe you can get all the Type-S stuff for just $3500 more. If you can, they're not going to sell any 2.0T ASpec models at all.
What is all of the Type-S stuff going to be, though? My theory is that it's basically going to be an A-Spec with the bigger engine.
is SH-AWD optional across the board? Or, is it included in some trims?
Could a dealer (accidentally ?) order an Advance without SH-AWD ?
The new RDX has SH-AWD optional across the board, so odds are the same will apply for the new TLX.
Originally Posted by fiatlux
The A-Spec is currently about $6500 more than a base model. If the base model starts at $35k, that probably puts the Aspec somewhere around the $41.5k mark, and I find it hard to believe you can get all the Type-S stuff for just $3500 more. If you can, they're not going to sell any 2.0T ASpec models at all.
That is still a lot of money but that's a pretty good estimate for the price of the Type S. Most buyer's are not enthusiasts so they will probably still shy away from the Type S. Otherwise, for enthusiasts it looks like a good bargain. Great performance numbers, good reliability, and just overall good package compared to the rivals.
When I say good performance numbers, I say that in the sense that I still expect it to be good as we don't have all the final numbers yet. I say good package in the sense that Acura has always been known for providing you with the "Best packaged deal".
What is all of the Type-S stuff going to be, though? My theory is that it's basically going to be an A-Spec with the bigger engine.
Bigger engine, brembo brakes, beefed up transmission and driveline, upgraded suspension, bigger (forged?) wheels, stickier tires at a minimum. Very likely some upgraded cooling and maybe some type-s specific aero changes too.
The new RDX has SH-AWD optional across the board, so odds are the same will apply for the new TLX.
Hmm.
Just seems like a lot of (factory only) unique-mechanical versions. Doesn't that turn 4 versions into 8 ... 8 versions for just the 2.0T models?
The reason I ask is because it is not clear from the "Feature Walk".
Also, not quite like that on the 2020 TLX either (as there are dependencies). For example, the 2020 TLX Advance requires SH-AWD.
So, it is really just 75 inches wide (including the side-mirrors) ?
Notice in this pic ... the fenders are wider than the mirrors . Can that be right?
I understand about "prospective" but it's fairly clear.
Have I been hanging-out with SUVs for too long ? 2021 TLX
The new RDX has SH-AWD optional across the board, so odds are the same will apply for the new TLX.
OK, now that I found and watched the (similar) dealer video, it said: SH-AWD is "available" on all four 2.0T models,
So no, I don't think they should offer a FWD A-Spec because someone or a dealer might order it that way (that would be a sad way to save $2000 on a $40k sedan). The competitive SH-AWD (now in 4th gen) is what would make this car unique. There should be 6-7 versions (not 8).
Thanks and your guess is probably right, seeing as though you can buy a loaded Acura SUV without AWD ... a SUV ... but you are paying thousands for these other upgrades ... kinda bizarre isn't it ?
Not everyone needs AWD though, even though SH-AWD may have other driving improvements. Our MDX is FWD and it works fine for what it is.
Yes, we saw those at the dealer back when we bought our 2014-MDX. I didn't mean to diss your MDX, but I just don't understand it (unless maybe you are buying to lowest-possible stripped-down model) to save money? No, still don't because the MDX is a large, top-heavy SUV ... and I think it would be much more sure-footed in rain, snow, and emergency maneuvers with SH-AWD.
As for a 2.0T TLX with A-Spec ... is it suppose to just be paint and toys ... or is it suppose to actually mean something? And an Advance TLX without the primary upgrade you can make to the car is just silly (IMO).
So, it is really just 75 inches wide (including the side-mirrors) ?
Notice in this pic ... the fenders are wider than the mirrors . Can that be right?
I understand about "prospective" but it's fairly clear.
Have I been hanging-out with SUVs for too long ? 2021 TLX
If the fenders are wider than the side mirrors, then there is no need for Acura add power-folding feature to the side mirrors.
So, just because it's cool is not a need ? Or that people close to the middle of the car will still manage to hit them (like in garage or parking lots).
You know, they talk a lot about "pushing out the wheels" but they never said they widened the whole car. Like the long-hood, I think the wide fenders really add to the look. Likely easier to appreciate in person.
Mirrors on the old Accord-V6 add about 5-inches per side (or 10 inches total). This looks more like 2 inches per side (protruding).
Yes, we saw those at the dealer back when we bought our 2014-MDX. I didn't mean to diss your MDX, but I just don't understand it (unless maybe you are buying to lowest-possible stripped-down model) to save money? No, still don't because the MDX is a large, top-heavy SUV ... and I think it would be much more sure-footed in rain, snow, and emergency maneuvers with SH-AWD.
As for a 2.0T TLX with A-Spec ... is it suppose to just be paint and toys ... or is it suppose to actually mean something? And an Advance TLX without the primary upgrade you can make to the car is just silly (IMO).
Ours is a tech btw. There are plenty of other FWD CUVs out there and they seem to sell fine. We don't need AWD for the area we live and the MDX really isn't some crazy performance vehicle to warrant it at least for us for our situation. Having the option of a 2 wheel drive vehicle makes perfect sense. Better MPGs, less things maintain, lower weight, etc. It's always good to give consumers more options than fewer.
On the TLX Type-S, standard SH-AWD makes sense. But on the 2.0T, having it standard would just be overkill. SH-AWD is a great system and offers great benefits, but there are people out there that don't need it for daily transportation. Nothing against SH-AWD, would love to have it if I end up getting a Type-S.
Even Audi doesn't offer Quattro as standard on all A4s, even though somehow Audi has cultivated a reputation of having only AWD cars (a la Subaru).
I read they might soon.
Not sure it matters much because no dealer buying spec cars (or customer ready to spend $50k on a mid-sized sedan) would ever order an A4 Prestige without Quattro in the first place.
2. and the MDX really isn't some crazy performance vehicle to warrant it at least for us for our situation.
3. Better MPGs,
4. On the TLX Type-S, standard SH-AWD makes sense. Nothing against SH-AWD, would love to have it if I end up getting a Type-S
5. SH-AWD is a great system and offers great benefits,
6. But on the 2.0T, having it standard would just be overkill.
7. but there are people out there that don't need it for daily transportation. .
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1. down here, when it finally rains in the Summer, the roads are slick. A little Ice in the Winters. This is a large top-heavy SUV. Safer for all family members, IMO.
2. It's about control. My wife, brother, and I all thought ours preformed well. Don't be afraid to rev the engine to 4000-5000rpm
3. We were getting 24mpg Hwy (fully loaded). I thought that was good for 5000lb SUV.
4. Glad we agree there.
5. On this point also.
6. I didn't post that it should be standard on the base/entry-level 2021 TLX (with 2.0T). After all, that is used for the "starting from MSRP" for their mid-sized sedan. I was talking about the Advance (and really A-Spec too) models. For example, you would not want a popular/good reviewer getting ahold of a $45k (MSRP) 2021 TLX Advance with FWD. It would not be a favorable review for Acura (ie, capabilities and value) . I can't see any Acura owner being very happy with it either. It really has no reason to exist.
7. Agreed. Nothing wrong with FWD on entry-level mid-size sedans. Honda Accords are nice too and available.
Though I feel like the A-spec is mostly just an appearance package. A lot of customers would probably just pay for the looks and not much else. Not sure how much they sell in both drivetrain configurations, so I could be wrong.
Wish the default system was RWD, but lets face it, that's never going to happen at Acura and I can kinda understand why.
It is unfortunate how they are going to set up the trim levels. I want the Advance features, but in order to get the A-Spec looks, I'll have to put it a lot of money for accessories and possibly even do a little tinting to the taillights and headlines myself as I don't like the clear look of the taillights. I'm not sure if I really want to spend that much on just the looks of the car. Maybe I could just make the trims black myself though, I'm sure I could save a lot that way. The advance rims aren't as bad as the advance rims on the RDX.
It is unfortunate how they are going to set up the trim levels. I want the Advance features, but in order to get the A-Spec looks, I'll have to put it a lot of money for accessories and possibly even do a little tinting to the taillights and headlines myself as I don't like the clear look of the taillights. I'm not sure if I really want to spend that much on just the looks of the car. Maybe I could just make the trims black myself though, I'm sure I could save a lot that way. The advance rims aren't as bad as the advance rims on the RDX.
i agree with you.
But honestly, the A-SPEC will be their key trim in my opinion. It's looks great and yes it doesn't have a few features but it's not a deal breaker for most of us.
But honestly, the A-SPEC will be their key trim in my opinion. It's looks great and yes it doesn't have a few features but it's not a deal breaker for most of us.
I have a 2019 RDX Advance and my wife has the A-SPEC. When driving hers I don’t notice the feature loss too much and it does look a lot better on the outside.
But honestly, the A-SPEC will be their key trim in my opinion. It's looks great and yes it doesn't have a few features but it's not a deal breaker for most of us.
Yes, A-Spec will certainly be the highest selling in my opinion as well. And quite honestly, it will probably be the one I go for as well. I like the Red seats and I also like the Apex Blue Pearl along with the black headliner.
I think the Type S starting at $45K for a base model makes sense. A fully loaded 2.0T might be $35K + $8K-$10K(ish) including the advance package, but to get the same fully loaded Type S, you will have to add another $5K - $8Kish to the type S from the base $45K.
I have a 2019 RDX Advance and my wife has the A-SPEC. When driving hers I don’t notice the feature loss too much and it does look a lot better on the outside.
You're the second person telling me the same exact thing. I was consulting at a company and I know a guy who got an Advanced trim when the car just came. If i am not mistaken after 6 months he got an A-SPEC. He told me at first he wanted all the bells and whistles of the advanced trim. But after a year or so, when i met him, he confirmed that A-SPEC is better and cheaper
SH-AWD gives you 70/30 to the rear as needed. That's 70% of power to the rear.
And to my point #6 above ... traditionally the Advance model comes with all major options factory-installed.
That still means that it's reactive because by default it will be front-biased. Only once it senses loss of traction at the front will it send power to the rears. I'd prefer it default to rear-bias, and only once it senses loss of traction at the rear to send power to the fronts.
That would also allow the base model to be RWD instead of FWD which would be fantastic, but alas this is Honda we're talking about.
08-01-2020, 04:50 PM
True width
... but you are paying thousands for these other upgrades ... kinda bizarre isn't it ?
Or that people close to the middle of the car will still manage to hit them (like in garage or parking lots).
