hadokenuh

The problem with the Primacy MXV4s is that they have soft side wall and can break loose very easily. I feel that they don't go well with sports sedans. Whereas the Primacy MXM4s are stiffer, grip better while still smooth and quiet - They are the perfect fit for the TLX.

I am not talking about the Pilot HX MXM4s. They are definitely not good tires for the money.

reddogTL

I didnt know that. I havent tried MXV4's. I've had the Continental DWS and PureContact with Eco plus. I dont race my car like a race car driver but once in a while open it up around an on/off ramp for highways.

I agree though that the Pilot HX MXM4's are shit. I remember when I first replaced them with the Continental DWS it was like night and day. A salesmen at the Acura dealer thought the Pilot HX's were a great tire. I'm like Whaaaat? There were HORRIBLE in the snow and ice. So-so in rain and just OK in dry.

rockyfeller

iTrader: (6)

I have never met a car salesman that knows a thing about tires. Or anything much for that matter. Most of them are not auto enthusiasts and could be selling toasters for all they care. They always assume they know more about cars than you do and yap away because they are artists at convincing 90% of people who don't know better. That's really what they are best at. They just say the word "Michelin" as a blanket word to say that anything with that label is the best. They don't know the difference between the Pilot and the Primacy lines and don't expect you to either. Anyone reading and researching is smart. It is the best defense.

Everytime I talk to a salesman I catch them saying something false or they don't know the answer to simple questions. A lot of times I don't argue, I just get entertained to see how far they can carry their BS, it's hilarious sometimes. They are supposed to be the specialists with these products. These pathological liars should know their stuff. Funny thing is that they are TOTAL experts in trying to negotiate a deal, that's where all their research and energy goes.

Some of you may be salespeople and might not like what I said, but it's true. I am not knocking salespeople because I don't understand what they do. I do. I have years of sales experience in the past. I can tell you 90% of people in most fields are like that. They don't know what they are talking about.

Dealerships use all kinds of approaches, tactics and mentalities. High-pressure, low-pressure, intellectual, etc. Don't let it fool you. Nothing has changed. It's still all a psychology game. They want to upsell you all day and convince you to buy what you don't necessarily need. Knowledge is the best defense. Go in knowing what you are buying and what you want to achieve. Walk to the competitor when they don't want to deal with you.

fricart

Actually, 17" wheel Accords are coming in with various OEMs My 2014 EX-L came with Goodyears. Theyre OK but will probably eventually replace with the new Michelin Premier.

hadokenuh

So the verdict: all TLX models do come with Goodyear tires. Eagle LS2 to be specific. Seems to get bad reviews on Tirerack ...

KeithL

OMG! no more Michelin? Boy have they really cheaped out that much on the TLX. The Tech and Advance used to get better tires, and now they pick a crappy tire. I do not understand how they can be pimping out safety then pick a middle of the road (or worse) tire. Problem is they know virtually none of the buyers look or care what brand or model the tire is. And they likely picked something with low rolling resistance that met all their objectives to help MPG.

weather

^^ I agree. I hate Goodyear tires! This is going to sound sooooo shallow but eventhough I agree that the Michelin's on my TL aren't the best performance tire, at least they look good. These Goodyear look really bad.

Edward'TLS

Goodyear also makes some very good tires, such as the "Eagle F1 Asymmetric All-Season" tires and the "Eagle F1 Asymmetric" summer tires.

But the "LS-2" is kind of crappy.

KeithL

I have been ecstatic with the Michelin AS3 I put on my A6. I actually also enjoyed the General GMAX AS3 on my Infiniti. A good UHP AS tire makes a world of difference for every day driving both UHP I have owned recently were great in handling and plowed through down pour rains with ease, hydro planing be damned.

vern1999

The road&Track review agrees with us:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/first...t-drive-review

They really hated the tires as well.

And what's with the optional "19inch Diamond Cut Alloy Wheel" $2340 plus $1182 for tires. A grande ripoff I would say; size is P245/40 r19 - I asked the dealer. So glad I do not want this.

From the crap tires, smaller interior and back seat, stupid pushbutton gear select (on SHAWD), and poor performance from the safety systems in the advance package - I am really disappointed.

Seriously considering vacating the brand; and getting something with more space. It just cannot be german ...

Buckeye_Steve

All TLX's do not have Goodyear's. This is not correct.

acura15

They're also using the Bridgestone Potenza RE97AS.

Edward'TLS

Looks like different trim level models use different make and model of OEM tires

Does anyone know exactly which TLX trim models come with which brand/model of OEM tires ?

Buckeye_Steve

I can confirm at least one V6 Tech has Bridgestone Potenza

Stew4HD

What crap tires? Do you expect them to put on the high end tires that are used for high end sports cars? Stock tires are never "the best" but are they actually crap or...?

Where are you getting this info about the poor safety systems? Please enlighten me since I am considering an Advance.

How much smaller is the interior?

fsttyms1

The goodyears they put on all the testers are CRAP, and that is putting it nicely. They could have put a much better tire on the vehicle and NO they wouldnt have to be High end tires used for sports cars. And yes, they are actually CRAP

Stew4HD

How are they crap? Seriously.

Are they dangerous?

hadokenuh

Sorry if I post incorrect info. I went with the Autoguide review video. The Pontenza is clearly a better choice.

Colin

If you're not with us, you're against us. If they're not P-Zeros, they're crap. There is no middle ground.

Edward'TLS

After the advent of high performance all-season tires for comparison, the "Grand Touring All-Season" "LS-2" has :

- quiet and comfry ride
- excellent fuel economy
- long tread life

- long braking distance (= safety issue ?)
- dismay cornering and handling (= accident avoidance ?) capability.

So you can decide how crap they are, and you'll be the judge to whether they are dangerous or not.

The "LS-2" is only perfect for slow-hauling family sedans, but definitely not as the standard equipment on luxury performance sport sedans such as the TLX.

Unless the TLX is a lame family sedan, then the "LS-2" is the right tire for it.

Remember this, no matter how good it is the factory suspension tuning and/or how advanced it is the torque-vectored SH-AWD or PAWS system, it all comes down to the four small patches of tire rubber that come in contact with the roads.

So, never settle for anything less for TIRES.

MardiGras

How are they crap?? These Goodyear Eagle LS-2 "tires" have HORRENDOUS reviews on TireRack.com. The average customer review is barely above 5.5/10.
http://www.tirerack.com/survey/SurveyComments.jsp?additionalComments=y&commentSta tus=P&tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Eagle+LS-2&fromTireDetail=true&tirePageLocQty=

Worse yet, these garbage rubber donuts rank 26th out of 29 tires in the Grand Touring All-Season category surveys.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=GTAS

Crappy enough for ya????

In contrast, the Michelin Primacy MXV4's and Primacy MXM4's have pretty decent survey feedback and reviews.

vern1999

When my 2009 TL SHAWD was 3 years old and tires were worn, I was tired of the punishing ride on bad pavement. I purchased #3 of 30 Tire Rack Michelin Primacy tires and the ride was finally acceptable on bad pavement. It transformed the vehicle so much that if I purchased a new TLX SHAWD with poorly rated tires - I would remove them with no mileage, and replace with a great rated tire. That is how strongly I feel about it. The 2009 OEM tires were rated 23 of 30 and people did not like ride, wet, snow or ice handling on those OEM ones.

Please read the Road and Track review link and skip down to number 9. They talk of false positive errors and that they thought the system was "not ready yet". I would not buy Advance at this time based on their comments. IIHS.org has ratings for front safety systems and the one on the 14 RLX was rated average. It decreased the speed by 7mph for simulated 12 and 25mph crashes. (They have not tested an advance TL or TLX). Some brands did the same or worse, others avoid the crash completely - Subaru Outback.

My 09 TL had 110.7 cu. ft of passenger space, TLX is 93.3. Most of the loss is from the rear section less legroom, etc.

I hope this was helpful ...

pmartone

FYI - I test drove the TLX V6 today and it had Bridgestone Potenza 225/50/R18 95H tires. I hope these are better than the Goodyear tires on the 4-cyl TLX?

Stew4HD

I read those reviews on Tirerack.com and noticed that there is either a love or hate on them. I see a lot of 7+ and then 1-3. It's strange to see some people rave about a tire that you guys say is crap. *shrug*. Quaker State or Penzoil?

MardiGras

Well sure there will be good reviews and bad reviews for anything. That's where the Average Review metrics come in handy. Goodyear's 5.77/10 vs Primacy MXV4's 8.26/10 is quite telling.

These Goodyears are OEM tires on Chevy Malibu, Chrysler 200, Kia Spectra, GMC Denali, etc. Pathetic indeed!

jshaw

From acuranews...



Size___________ Manufacturer TLX Trim Level
225/55R17 97H M+S Goodyear Eagle 4-cylinder Base and Tech package
225/50R18 95H M+S Bridgestone Potenza V6 Base, Tech package and Advance package
225/50R18 95H M+S Goodyear Eagle V6 SH-AWD Tech package and Advance package

KeithL

Basically my feeling is most cars have crap tires on them from the dealer, usually picked to deliver the best comfort and fuel economy, handling is secondary.

fsttyms1

There are many other tires out there (that many would still consider crap) that are far better than the GY LS-2's on the TL. And NO they dont have to be P-Zeros

fsttyms1

Its obvious that you are here to defend the brand not matter what, right or wrong. You will come up with excuses for everything so having a actual discussion with you about the probability or likely hood of something actually being a negative and not about liking or disliking the brand is pointless. But having said that have YOU actually driven a vehicle with them? Do you actually know anything about them? They are a horrible tire in just about every aspect of driving. They were on my daughters car and one of the very first things i did was replace them for a much better driving safer handling tire.

With more than 19 million miles reported on the tire and overall ranking i would say there are FAR more that dislike the tire than those that do.

Stew4HD

WOW, just wow.. and to think you are a mod here. I ask questions and want proof of expressed opinions and you have to act like a spoiled brat.

Like I said, I READ THE REVIEWS! .. YOU blatently disegard the reviewers that gave the tires a high mark.

So much for being unbiased as a mod and act this way in the open. sad

fsttyms1

Oh, and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Pure plus. Its far better than any Quaker State

fsttyms1

HOW am i a spoiled brat You asked for proof, others gave it to you, as did i with this chart. (which as i stated above you would probably do, you looked past the ratings and tried to find a way to discredit it)

How did i BLATANTLY disregard the reviewers that liked the tire? LOOK AT THE CHART Its kinda hard to dispute the rankings when there are so many that have revied and ranked the tire. There are more than a hand full that have rated the tire. Also i HAVE owned the tire, i know the garbage they are would qualify as not disregarding anything.

And me being a MOD does not mean i have to be unbiased. I am entitled to my opinion. I do NOT have to like the car to be a mod here. I have also said in the open in many threads i like the brand, even though there are many things i dont like about the TLX and the direction they took with it, i do like the car. I just wish it was different for MY tastes and my openly disliking something about it doesnt make me a hater or one that cant ever be pleased.

Stew4HD

Opinions are not proof. Reviews are opinions. That was all I was saying.. you claim the tires are crap, horrible, etc yet many people give the tires rave reviews. When I brought that up.. Hellfire from above ...

screw it.

dysonlu

Some people here just tend to dramatize everything.

The V6 models were considered "less stellar" than the 4-cyl by reviewers and some guy here dramatizes it by saying Acura screwed up and that SH-AWD was "nothing special". Then, the "glass half full" folks here just start feeding from each other's opinion.

The TLX was "crap" too, before its release and the reviews...

The tires are probably good or average all-around tires for normal drivers. They didn't make the car perform like "crap" based on the reviews. So they can't be that bad.

Edward'TLS

Fsttyms1 has accumulated 75K posts and 1.8K thanks throughout his 12 years of being a forum mod, has extensive experience in modding and tracking his heavier modified 2G TL (please check out his car in the 2G TL forum), and has also tried out and reported back many makes/models of automotive tires.

He deserves a lot more respect than this.

Stew4HD

LOL! Feel better?

You know what they say about 1000 atta boys being wiped out by one "oh Shit"?

Why are you adding fuel to the Fire?

iutodd

The LS-2 is an OE tire for BMW I think - in Run Flat form though. The Potenza is a fairly common OE tire as well - I think for Infiniti or Lexus mainly. The Grand Touring spec is very common for luxury sedans.

If you're after performance and are an enthusiast - you'll pay money to swap these tires out for something with higher limits - the Eagle F1 Asymmetric, the Extreme Contact DWS or P-zeros if you're matching them with winter tires. For most buyers the tires will be fine. If Acura put Grand Touring tires on a Type-S model then that's a problem. If anything Acura is making the statement that this car (supported by the reviews) is for everybody - not just enthusiasts - and it delivers daily driving performance, ride quality and comfort that is expected of a luxury car...even with "crap" tires.

Does anyone know what the recommended upsize tires are yet? They have an 18 and a 19 inch wheel option...anyone know what those are?

Edward'TLS

I don't feel good, and I don't feel bad either.

I don't add fuel to the fire, nor add water to douse the fire.

I'm only speaking the truth.

Having been almost 14 years with AcuraZine, I have witnessed how extensive Fsttyms1 has contributed his time and his tuning/modding/tracking experiences to AcuraZine, particularly in the 2G TL section.

His expertise in vehicle tuning, tire selection, and forum modulation is undeniable.

Therefore, Fsttyms1 deserves being respected.

Stew4HD

Respect is earned, period. Take from that what you will. /end of story

Rocketsfan

From a Honda/Acura press release (I don't know if it's accurate or not, but ... ) :

2015 Acura TLX : Chassis

All TLX models have 10-spoke aluminum alloy wheels, with the 2.4-liter TLX models featuring 17x7.5J wheels with black accents, while all V-6 models feature 18x7.5J wheels with gray accents.

4-cylinder Base and Tech package
Goodyear Eagle 225/55R17 97H M+S

V6 Base, Tech package and Advance package
Bridgestone Potenza 225/50R18 95H M+S

V6 SH-AWD Tech package and Advance package
Goodyear Eagle 225/50R18 95H M+S