weather

^^ I agree, we are pretty much buying computers with wheels and I think it is getting a bit too much. I am conservative though but some of the stuff in cars now are getting ridiculous.

Colin

All the lights only show the symptom. A code might show the cause....

TacoBello

Yes indeed, good sir. And that wasn't even all that long ago...

Luxury companies keep needing new gimmicks to draw new buyers in, to be at the forefront of the luxury game. I'd be thrilled if all I had in a luxury car was power windows/locks/mirrors/sunroof and heated seats. Even power seats are kind of stupid. My 15 year old civic had all of that, minus the seats. Never felt I needed anything else.

weather

^^ The irony is car company seem confused between LUXURY and TECHNOLOGY....For me, it is odd that they are adding stuff that are gimmick and take away from better material and components (like tires).

I would like better quality material and a plush interior over leatherette and a touch screen to look high tech.

Rant over...and yes, I am old! I know, although you couldn't tell looking at my youthful body! *lol*

Quandry

Well, the barn door are open and there is no turning back, and it is only going to get more complex. This might be the first model where there are multiple software/firmware fixes that are released over the year to resolve issues, but I anticipate seeing this trend with virtually all new cars. We just have to hope that they remain free for hacking or virus attacks.

Majofo

Preach weather!

MedX172

They've got the best reliability bar none....now if only I didn't feel like I'd just had a propofol injection when I look at an ES from the outside. Sigh.

miner

It was StuxNet...the machines will be taking over our lives.

Rocketsfan

I remember when my dad said that power windows, locks, and sunroof were unnecessary stuff that could add to the crap that goes wrong with a car. He was content with his '74 Impala with no AC in Houston. Ya, y'all can keep that mess.

iceman650

It did throw a DTC and it was P0969. Dealership says the troubleshooting tree tells them to clear the code and duplicate the problem. They drove my car 25 miles and it didn't do it. I went to pick up a loaner car today and talked to the service director personally cause he was there. He told me it was up to me what I wanted to do. He can keep it more, himself or a tech can keep driving it and try to duplicate it or I can take it and hope it was an anomaly. I told him I'd take it and drive it tonight to xmas eve dinner which is about a 70 mile roundtrip drive and hope for the best. I told him I'd keep him posted and will do here as well. Merry Christmas everybody and wish me luck!

Stew4HD

Good luck. I do hope it was an anomaly.

TacoBello

I also prefer a good ol' 6MT over a DCT. Great, it shifts fast. Guess what, my transmission doesn't need to be reflashed because it shifts like shit. Ever. And when it comes time to replace the clutches in the DCT, I'll gladly accept the price of doing the 6MT over the DCT.

YeuEmMaiMai

how did it go?

xedap1998

maybe you forgot to close your hood?

vishrit

I just posted a thread 2 mins ago with the same issue on a 4 month old TLX tech. Happened on Christmas eve. The dealer diagnosed it as my toll tag interfering with the LKAS camera that in turn is triggering a bunch of other sensors. I was able to drive my car though.

Any chance you have a toll tag on the glass behind the rear-view mirror?

Quandry

^^Here's hoping that this is rational explanation for the event. It would kill off another spew of hate posts against the car!

Mr Hyde

A nice long drive to charge the battery would help put my mind at ease. A charger would be even better. The toll tag thing sounds interesting, but I don't understand the mechanics of it.

Dealers, mechanics, they all tend to leave cars on or in Acc II while working on them. Modern cars don't like almost dead batteries, and it wouldn't be the first time one was run down during the new vehicle prep for delivery.

I am mourning the slow extinction of the M/T, but BSI, backup cameras, LED headlights, dimming sideview mirrors, ventilated seats...... Yes Please.. They make the daily grind more bearable, and help keep the stress level down. Can take me over an hour to drive the 20 miles home from work; took 2 hrs to go the 55 miles from my in-laws. Was brake hold needed? Of course not, but I did appreciate having it just like all the other tech.

iceman650

Drove it for over 50 miles on Christmas Eve and no issues. I do not have a toll tag on it, actually didn't have anything in the car yet except me, my wallet and my cell phone. I'm gonna take it for a more serious drive tonight possibly over 200 miles so we'll see again.

Quandry

^^Oh well, it was a hope. Keep us posted on any developments or findings.

iceman650

And it happened again..... last night on my way out to this over 200 mile drive. This time I was able to actually drive it back home safely. I'm returning this car and asking for another one.


And another video showing that now the doors wont lock anymore using the remote (video doesn't show that none of the cigarette lighters work either)

TacoBello

Wow. Are you going to implement the Lemon law?

iceman650

Not sure how to edit my posts but I've removed the door lock issue video from YouTube since that was my fault, the rear door was partially left opened so thats why the doors wouldnt lock. I wish there was an audible alert telling you about this rather than just not locking the doors. The only way I knew my doors didn't lock was cause I kept pushing the lock button and never heard the beep confirmation but sometimes I don't even press it twice to hear it. I just dropped my car off at the dealership and took everything out of it and gave them both keys. They're gonna find me another car.

ggesq

iTrader: (1)

Good luck iceman, let us know how it turns out.

Mr Hyde

Good to hear. Good Luck with the next one. Wish they did a proper job diagnosing, and fixing it the first time. All dealers do it, but I hate the "we couldn't replicate the problem", and send you on your way "fixes" that so many practice across all brand lines.

Thankfully mine has been problem free with no issues. I think I got a Wednesday car, and a few got the Happy Hour special unfortunately

YeuEmMaiMai

Thanks for the update, hopefully the next one will be as expected...

Majofo

Toll tag.

Did the techs say it was causing interference or just blocking the camera? If they said causing interference, you might as well drive that TSX through the showroom floor and set it on fire.

fsttyms1

If something isnt exhibiting any symptoms, and you test what you can test but yet cant find an issue how do you go about fixing it? Yes it sucks to hear but there really isnt much else for them to do

erdoc48

'And it happened again..... last night on my way out to this over 200 mile drive. This time I was able to actually drive it back home safely. I'm returning this car and asking for another one.'

I'm happy for you that the dealership/ Acura will make good on getting you a new car (as they should). I would find it concerning that this car gets repossessed by Acura and then turned around in the used market (so someone else potentially gets stuck with this issue). If they can't find/ reproduce/ fix it, does the title change because of the underlying issue? I really do like the TLX but when I read of some of these electronic issues as well as tranny issues, it would steer me away from the first model year of the TLX (I'd be concerned about getting such a car used, despite having warranty coverage).

Good luck with the replacement car.

Majofo

Yeah, sometimes you need to leave it overnight or take the tech for a ride and show exactly what's going on. Many shops have too many jobs in the queue to play detective. Sucks for the customer, but that's the reality of it.

vbx

LOL, but but, it's better and it shift faster than a manual. Manual levers are dated and makes my arm hurt. If Acura doesn't make a button, I'm gonna sue!

Mr Hyde

For a simple CEL, or rattle, etc let it go, but for a failure like this where the driver was stranded, and which could have easily occurred on a busy road, they should have kept the car, driven it for a few days, and given him a loaner IMO.

Stew4HD

I don't think I would have trusted the car after that without a part to show the issue. Intermittent issues are the worst.

Years ago I was driving a 4cyl Chevy S-10 that would die out of the blue while on the hiway.. man, it really sucks in heavy morning traffic! The dealership couldn't find the problem or able to repeat the issue. I never did find out what caused that though it happened a few more times over months.

My brother bought it off me and never saw that happen.

tlxsteve

Trying not to sound obnoxious, but what CEL are you referring to:


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Look up cel or cél in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

CEL may stand for:

Carboxyl ester lipase or bile salt dependent lipase, an enzyme used in digestion
Check engine light, a malfunction indicator lamp
Chemin de Fer de l'Etat Libanais, the national railway network of the Lebanon
China Energy Label
Communications and Entertainment Limited, a defunct Australian home video company
Comunidade do Escutismo Lusófono, the international community for scouting in Lusophone countries
Chronic eosinophilic leukemia, an extremely rare cancer of the white blood cells
Cel may refer to:

Cel, a transparent sheet on which objects are drawn or painted for animation purposes
Cel programming language
Cel Publishing, an imprint of VDM Publishing devoted to the reproduction of Wikipedia content
cel, the ISO-639 code for Celtic languages
Cel (goddess), the Etruscan goddess of the earth



I am beginning to dislike abbreviations.

Is there ever a simple check engine light?

NBP04TL4ME

In the world of car vernacular - CEL is Check Engine Light.

EDIT - didn't see the end of your post

iceman650

In all fairness to the service department at this particular dealership, I personally talked to the service director. He was ok with keeping the car and having them drive it to duplicate the problem. They even had a loaner ready for me. I talked myself out of letting them drive my car and decided to hope that it was an anomaly and do it myself. It's a good thing cause the dealership would have kept my car for weeks or would have eventually given it back to me without any repairs if it really was gonna come back after 100 miles. Then again who knows what the problem really is, intermittent, certain mileage, certain driving condition? Who knows. Maybe I'll get a free tint job or a free deck lid spoiler from it all, I'm def gonna ask for one.

mapleloaf

Hey, heres a thought….just DON't USE IT! Is it a real chore for you NOT to press the button to use Break Hold? I happen to like it in stop and go traffic. It's kinda like some warning systems and other things in cars that are optional. They are there for convenience….if you don't want them, don't activate or simply de-activate. Oh, and perhaps express your opinions with less offensive language.

fsttyms1

And what if they still hadnt had the issue still arise during that? I have seen it many times where the vehicle was left for an extended period of time but were never able to duplicate the issue. (Even Happened to me once, and Recently Happened to my friends Lexus, they had the vehicle for 1.5 weeks and put on over 100 miles testing it and never were able to reproduce the issue. He got the car back and within 2 days he had the problem left him stranded and needed a tow, which coincidentally at that time they did diagnose the issue and he got a new trans). Sometimes things just cant be diagnosed and repaired. Even with a CEL, which isnt always a direct answer on what to fix, but a place to start trouble shooting

Mr Hyde

I am not saying the car should be kept indefinitely until the cause is found, and I would have been satisfied to have them say we drove the car multiple times over several days, and couldn't find the issue as long as they made the effort. The car initially died at a light, so to me, driving it more often in local driving would have been more beneficial than just racking up a set number of miles in what could have been steady cruising.

If it was me, and I was left stranded, especially around the holidays while travelling with my family, I would have wanted that kind of effort. It seems like in this case they did make the effort, and the OP decided to take the car back, and see if he could replicate it himself, so I wouldn't fault this dealership. My own experiences are that many dealerships are not so willing to step up to the plate like that, and it's a source of frustration for many customers. My BMW dealer didn't seem able to solve any problem I had in one visit, and I will never buy a car from that dealership again just because I know I will be forced to use their service people if I want a simple thing like a loaner vehicle.

jim256

I took the time to look at all 12 of the One Pack videos again, and they did have a segment on video 7 about "car lit up like Times Square" and said it was a "softset connector"--did not specify which one--check each one and report the loose one to TechLine--, and another car had a backed out connector in the PAWS actuator--also dash lit up like a Christmas tree--, both caught by dealer techs. It may be a needle in a haystack, but might be the issue.

Majofo

Because it's sooooo difficult and inconvenient to hold the brake down.

I hurt someone else's sensitivities.. sure sweetheart.