9AT Hard Shift 1-2 and 2-3
I have the SH-AWD and my transmission was replaced with 06200-5L9-A80RM. Everything is great with it for the most part that I can tell. Depends on how aggressive I am on the throttle, but I can sometimes notice a small shift but no hesitations or bumps at all. A lot of it is probably just my brain expecting it to happen. Throttle response is still a little slow sometimes, but I think that's the usual case people have talked about with it trying to find the right way to get from gear 8/9 to 5/4 when I stomp on it to pass someone.
I know someone who works for Honda who helped design the TLX so I've asked about the transmission model I was replaced with - asking differences. I will let you know if they can provide me an answer. Not sure, but worth a shot.
that's how mine was too, that little delay I use to have is completely gone after I changed my pulley. on the highway its flysssss very little gas pedal travel to get it moving. it is very smooth, I do agree sometimes throttle response is slow but the pulley helped me a lot.
Finally, my transmission replacement has been approved. The service manager told me the transmission would come with the TCM as well. Funny thing is, they had already replaced the TCM in my car. I guess, when they'll take the old one out, it will come out with TCM and the new one will come in with the new TCM as a combo. I will report back when the exchange gets completed. The car is scheduled to go under the knife in a week.
Finally, my transmission replacement has been approved. The service manager told me the transmission would come with the TCM as well. Funny thing is, they had already replaced the TCM in my car. I guess, when they'll take the old one out, it will come out with TCM and the new one will come in with the new TCM as a combo. I will report back when the exchange gets completed. The car is scheduled to go under the knife in a week.
The post by kuzdu above proves my point about reliability: defective transmissions, defective engine mounts causing vibration, warped rotors (I have had them machined just week ago and I do not abuse them at all), defective rain sensing sensors. I understand the cars are very complex machines, but all of this highlights the car was not ready for production when it was released in 2014 by a long shot.
yup this is actually the worst acura i have ever owned, from tranny updates, warped rotors at 5k miles, door click issues, nav reboots and i also have the chirps which i ignore like everything else. i just want them to change my rotors so there is no vibration braking. my tsx runs great no issues i think i may actually buy out that car before the lease is up.
Mine is from the timing belt which they did correct but it came back, I just ignore it got 2 more years with it or less depending on the 18 type s that the entire dealership is talking about. They say it's twin turbo and if it has the 9 speed and not a dct I'm out from Acura.
So to everyone who got a '16 transmission put in their '15, has it fixed the problem? I just took delivery of a '16 MDX and it's proof that this 9spd is an awesome transmission but is horrible in the '15 TLX. The 2-3 jerk, lousy shifting, and dumb behavior of the transmission make me only want to drive my MDX now as it doesn't exhibit any of these behaviors.
Is the swapout for the '16 tranny the permanent solution? I almost wish I hadn't bought this new MDX cause of how good the transmission is set up and it's shown me how bad the TLX 9spd is. Lol
Is the swapout for the '16 tranny the permanent solution? I almost wish I hadn't bought this new MDX cause of how good the transmission is set up and it's shown me how bad the TLX 9spd is. Lol
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So to everyone who got a '16 transmission put in their '15, has it fixed the problem? I just took delivery of a '16 MDX and it's proof that this 9spd is an awesome transmission but is horrible in the '15 TLX. The 2-3 jerk, lousy shifting, and dumb behavior of the transmission make me only want to drive my MDX now as it doesn't exhibit any of these behaviors.
Is the swapout for the '16 tranny the permanent solution? I almost wish I hadn't bought this new MDX cause of how good the transmission is set up and it's shown me how bad the TLX 9spd is. Lol
Is the swapout for the '16 tranny the permanent solution? I almost wish I hadn't bought this new MDX cause of how good the transmission is set up and it's shown me how bad the TLX 9spd is. Lol
Yes, for me it has fixed all the problems. And for the week that they had my TLX to replace the trans- I had a '16 MDX as a loaner, and found the 9-speed in that to be completely fine as well.
If they were trying to put me off or delay a fix for me- then I would have been suspicious with the story. But as that wasn't the case, I don't know what possible value or reason that person I spoke to would have had to tell me something that wasn't actually true...
I was talking directly with the Engineering Department. As I had already had my trans replaced at that point, and was completely satisfied with the replacement- I think the information I received was very reliable:
If they were trying to put me off or delay a fix for me- then I would have been suspicious with the story. But as that wasn't the case, I don't know what possible value or reason that person I spoke to would have had to tell me something that wasn't actually true...
If they were trying to put me off or delay a fix for me- then I would have been suspicious with the story. But as that wasn't the case, I don't know what possible value or reason that person I spoke to would have had to tell me something that wasn't actually true...
Still waiting for that call Acura......
I posted the part number earlier in the thread, so if anyone knows if that part is a "2016 transmission" perhaps they can confirm.
Replacement tranny arrived today. Will begin work tomorrow and most likely have the car back by midweek next week due to logistics and schedule conflicts.
Here's the part # that was provided by my SA and it appears to supercede the previous one I had provided
Manufacturer: Acura
Part Number: 06200-5J4-A70RM
Part: WARRANTY A/T KIT
Replaces: 06200-5J4-A59RM
Here's the part # that was provided by my SA and it appears to supercede the previous one I had provided
Manufacturer: Acura
Part Number: 06200-5J4-A70RM
Part: WARRANTY A/T KIT
Replaces: 06200-5J4-A59RM
I'm bringing my car in next week for the free oil change and TSB06-012. I have a late 2015 TLX (08/15 build date) and i'm hoping the TSB resolves the shifting issues. I'll update everyone. In the meantime, is there a way to find the part number on the existing transmission?
If you currently have the 2nd to 3rd transmission bump, no software update will fix it. The update you are getting may help you with downshifting issues, but the infamous 2-3 jolt will remain. Insist on getting new(replacement) transmission job done and then all the applicable updates applied. The latter approach will most likely have your car behave the way it should from the begging (transmission wise). Shaking and other issues will need to be dealt with separately.
Just a quick update...
We met with the field rep and local dealership shop foreman this morning to test drive our TLX. After driving a little while in various modes, it was still up for the debate as to whether it was significant enough to take any action. On a short drive with no plans to ever ride/drive in the car again, sure, it might be minor to some so that I would agree with but over 3 years of day-to-day driving wouldn't make us happy campers.
The foreman was debating whether using the paddles to isolate the 2-3 gear shift was an accurate way of duplicating the issue. I felt it was because that's the best way to isolate and duplicate the problem over and over without wasting time in the other gears. I drove the entire time and knew the jerk was present whether it was mild or obviously noticeable. In other words, the test drive of our TLX went just as expected. That is, until we drove the 2016 on the lot and we felt the difference side by side. There is WITHOUT A DOUBT the 2016 does not exhibit the same roughness between shifts. 2-3 felt the same as any of the other gear changes, even with using the paddles.
The service department currently has our TLX and is going to work with the tech line to see how to proceed. Whether it is just procedural or not, the district rep did not want to just throw parts on the car in case it does not resolve the issue but he is willing to approve the replacement parts if that is what fixes the issue and restores our faith in the brand. After driving the 2016 again, it doesn't leave any doubt there is indeed a difference with the transmissions/TCMs between the two years.
It's pretty clear we haven't been happy with our TLX experience and we are hoping this is where the issue gets resolved so we can move forward with driving the car like any other Acura we've owned in the past.
We met with the field rep and local dealership shop foreman this morning to test drive our TLX. After driving a little while in various modes, it was still up for the debate as to whether it was significant enough to take any action. On a short drive with no plans to ever ride/drive in the car again, sure, it might be minor to some so that I would agree with but over 3 years of day-to-day driving wouldn't make us happy campers.
The foreman was debating whether using the paddles to isolate the 2-3 gear shift was an accurate way of duplicating the issue. I felt it was because that's the best way to isolate and duplicate the problem over and over without wasting time in the other gears. I drove the entire time and knew the jerk was present whether it was mild or obviously noticeable. In other words, the test drive of our TLX went just as expected. That is, until we drove the 2016 on the lot and we felt the difference side by side. There is WITHOUT A DOUBT the 2016 does not exhibit the same roughness between shifts. 2-3 felt the same as any of the other gear changes, even with using the paddles.
The service department currently has our TLX and is going to work with the tech line to see how to proceed. Whether it is just procedural or not, the district rep did not want to just throw parts on the car in case it does not resolve the issue but he is willing to approve the replacement parts if that is what fixes the issue and restores our faith in the brand. After driving the 2016 again, it doesn't leave any doubt there is indeed a difference with the transmissions/TCMs between the two years.
It's pretty clear we haven't been happy with our TLX experience and we are hoping this is where the issue gets resolved so we can move forward with driving the car like any other Acura we've owned in the past.
I have an 08/2014 build, I don't think it's as bad as others are experiencing. I drive more in SPORT now to try to exacerbate to problem, but it seems just slightly abnormal. (The ultra slow touchscreen and horrible voice control bother me far far worse!)
I have another 5 years on my warranty, but I'd rather get it fixed sooner than later. But at this point, I don't think they'd replace mine.
Power seems roughly the same, but the delivery is smoother in the Audi due to the 7 speed DCT. Turbo lag is minimal, but probably a bit slower off the line than the Acura when the Audi is not being driven in the Dynamic or Sport mode. 0-60 times in the Quatto version are officially in the upper 5s, but most independent tests show it around 5.3 secs or so.
I was a bit nervous about interior noise, after how quiet the TLX was, but while the Audi is not more quiet than the TLX, it's roughly as quiet. Size feels similar to TLX although back seat space may be slightly better in the Audi.
Interior quality is higher than the TLX. As I mentioned earlier, haven't yet detected a single squeak or rattle, and I'm very particular about that type of noise. As you've probably seen, technology is a step ahead, especially with the Virtual Cockpit. As an example of the technology, my car is at a detailer now getting OptiCoat Pro+ installed now, and I can keep an eye on it on the mobile app. I can see they have opened windows, opened the hood, but most importantly haven't driven it (I set a geofence around their location to notify me when it goes outside that area). The little technology things that were frustrating in the TLX aren't present in the Audi. (Like not being able to go into accessory mode without totally shutting off the car and turning back on. Also the seat heaters and steering wheel heater remember your setting.) The heads up display is gorgeous. I think the only thing I had on the TLX Advance that I don't have now is remote start. That is simply not offered in the Audi.
I'm a big Apple Fanboy and thought it would be great to get CarPlay but I haven't found it useful in the least, primarily due to it being entirely Siri-dependent.
All this comes at a price of course. I'd guess I spent about 8-9K more for the Audi than I did when I bought the 2015 TLX at nearly full MSRP. You can get a small discount on the Audi now, but nothing great since it's so new. I've been a big Acura supporter and liked most everything about the TLX, so not happy to take the hit to the pocketbook. But now that it's all done and behind me, driving around is far more enjoyable and much less stressful.
I was a bit nervous about interior noise, after how quiet the TLX was, but while the Audi is not more quiet than the TLX, it's roughly as quiet. Size feels similar to TLX although back seat space may be slightly better in the Audi.
Interior quality is higher than the TLX. As I mentioned earlier, haven't yet detected a single squeak or rattle, and I'm very particular about that type of noise. As you've probably seen, technology is a step ahead, especially with the Virtual Cockpit. As an example of the technology, my car is at a detailer now getting OptiCoat Pro+ installed now, and I can keep an eye on it on the mobile app. I can see they have opened windows, opened the hood, but most importantly haven't driven it (I set a geofence around their location to notify me when it goes outside that area). The little technology things that were frustrating in the TLX aren't present in the Audi. (Like not being able to go into accessory mode without totally shutting off the car and turning back on. Also the seat heaters and steering wheel heater remember your setting.) The heads up display is gorgeous. I think the only thing I had on the TLX Advance that I don't have now is remote start. That is simply not offered in the Audi.
I'm a big Apple Fanboy and thought it would be great to get CarPlay but I haven't found it useful in the least, primarily due to it being entirely Siri-dependent.
All this comes at a price of course. I'd guess I spent about 8-9K more for the Audi than I did when I bought the 2015 TLX at nearly full MSRP. You can get a small discount on the Audi now, but nothing great since it's so new. I've been a big Acura supporter and liked most everything about the TLX, so not happy to take the hit to the pocketbook. But now that it's all done and behind me, driving around is far more enjoyable and much less stressful.
The TLX has about 40 more hp than the Audi... do you notice it? Most of all, do you notice the difference of a turbo I4 vs V6? What about turbo lag? Engine sound, overall? One thing I hate about turbo I4's (in general) is you have get high up on the rev band to generate power, and the sound is terrible. Is that the case with the A4?
Also, I noticed the A4 has auto start/stop. While I think this is a good feature for an SUV or economy car, I don't like it on a "sports sedan".
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If you currently have the 2nd to 3rd transmission bump, no software update will fix it. The update you are getting may help you with downshifting issues, but the infamous 2-3 jolt will remain. Insist on getting new(replacement) transmission job done and then all the applicable updates applied. The latter approach will most likely have your car behave the way it should from the begging (transmission wise). Shaking and other issues will need to be dealt with separately.
If you haven't had that most recent update, get it. It does improve the shift speed and makes the transmission a lot less conservative when in Normal and Sport mode (ie: it'll downshift a gear or two without as much pedal travel, and quickly).
I just got a software update on the transmission last week and it did nothing unfortunately. I go in on Monday to have a technician go on a test drive with me to take snapshots of the computer when I think the transmission is being off, such as the 2-3 jerk. But I really don't know what to tell him, the transmission just behaves very poorly compared to my '16 MDX. The MDX's power seems so much more effortless and it shifts so much smoother and quicker. I know they are two different cars, but they do have the same engine and transmission. I just don't think I'll have a case on Monday when I can't really pinpoint exact problems (other than the 2-3 jerk and my 4-5 shift is starting to make noise and give a jolt) and then they'll tell me my transmission is fine, but it doesn't seem so.
TSB 16-012 Applied Today... I think....
I have a late 2015 build car.. Aug 2015. The VIN range is 24xxx and falls into the VIN range for TSB 16-012. I don't have the hard 2-3 shifts but I do/did have the slow downshift and hesitation at low speeds. At first it was a minor annoyance, but grew to be a major PITA since I could no longer predict when the car was going to 'go' when I press on the gas pedal. So I took part of the day off and made an appointment to get TSB 16-012 applied. Went pretty smoothly, took about an hour, maybe a little more. I only have about 20 miles on the car since but it does seem to be a big improvement. I'll hold off judgment until I get more miles on the car. I haven't had a chance to see how it does when I slow.. but don't stop.. then get back on the gas.
BUT.... looking at my paperwork it says two conflicting things. It says TSB 16-012, but then states this.....
"2235A2 TCM UPDATE S/B: 15-040"
My VIN does not fall under the VIN Range for 15-040. But when I look on TSB 16-012 it references "2235A2" under Labor Operation Number. Is this just the labor code they use to perform the work?
I wouldn't think 15-040 would work on my transmission since I think they are different at the hardware level. Anyone else have this on thier 16-021 paperwork?
BUT.... looking at my paperwork it says two conflicting things. It says TSB 16-012, but then states this.....
"2235A2 TCM UPDATE S/B: 15-040"
My VIN does not fall under the VIN Range for 15-040. But when I look on TSB 16-012 it references "2235A2" under Labor Operation Number. Is this just the labor code they use to perform the work?
I wouldn't think 15-040 would work on my transmission since I think they are different at the hardware level. Anyone else have this on thier 16-021 paperwork?
The Audi and TLX V6 are somewhat similar in power output and size, but the Audi has a giant leap in technology and fit/finish - at a higher price.
The TLX has about 40 more hp than the Audi... do you notice it? Most of all, do you notice the difference of a turbo I4 vs V6? What about turbo lag? Engine sound, overall? One thing I hate about turbo I4's (in general) is you have get high up on the rev band to generate power, and the sound is terrible. Is that the case with the A4?
Also, I noticed the A4 has auto start/stop. While I think this is a good feature for an SUV or economy car, I don't like it on a "sports sedan".
The TLX has about 40 more hp than the Audi... do you notice it? Most of all, do you notice the difference of a turbo I4 vs V6? What about turbo lag? Engine sound, overall? One thing I hate about turbo I4's (in general) is you have get high up on the rev band to generate power, and the sound is terrible. Is that the case with the A4?
Also, I noticed the A4 has auto start/stop. While I think this is a good feature for an SUV or economy car, I don't like it on a "sports sedan".
Turbo lag is minimal, power delivery is very smooth. I think much of this is due to the 7sp DCT, which is so smooth...you just can't feel any shifts at all, really a thing of beauty. Power is available throughout the rev band. 30-50mph in 2.9 secs, 50-70 in 3.8 in top gear per C&D.
Car is very quiet..as quiet as the TLX. In fact the C&D article on it is titled "Quiet Please - The new A4 is a rolling do-not-disturb sign". I haven't heard any wind noise and there are no squeaks or other cabin noises yet.
Stop/start hasn't bothered me. I got used to it in a BMW I owned. Seems a bit better implemented than in my BMW, and you can turn it off with a dedicated button (though you must do it each time the ignition is switched off. I'm sure someone will figure out the coding required to permanently switch it off)
I have a late 2015 build car.. Aug 2015. The VIN range is 24xxx and falls into the VIN range for TSB 16-012. I don't have the hard 2-3 shifts but I do/did have the slow downshift and hesitation at low speeds. At first it was a minor annoyance, but grew to be a major PITA since I could no longer predict when the car was going to 'go' when I press on the gas pedal. So I took part of the day off and made an appointment to get TSB 16-012 applied. Went pretty smoothly, took about an hour, maybe a little more. I only have about 20 miles on the car since but it does seem to be a big improvement. I'll hold off judgment until I get more miles on the car. I haven't had a chance to see how it does when I slow.. but don't stop.. then get back on the gas.
BUT.... looking at my paperwork it says two conflicting things. It says TSB 16-012, but then states this.....
"2235A2 TCM UPDATE S/B: 15-040"
My VIN does not fall under the VIN Range for 15-040. But when I look on TSB 16-012 it references "2235A2" under Labor Operation Number. Is this just the labor code they use to perform the work?
I wouldn't think 15-040 would work on my transmission since I think they are different at the hardware level. Anyone else have this on thier 16-021 paperwork?
BUT.... looking at my paperwork it says two conflicting things. It says TSB 16-012, but then states this.....
"2235A2 TCM UPDATE S/B: 15-040"
My VIN does not fall under the VIN Range for 15-040. But when I look on TSB 16-012 it references "2235A2" under Labor Operation Number. Is this just the labor code they use to perform the work?
I wouldn't think 15-040 would work on my transmission since I think they are different at the hardware level. Anyone else have this on thier 16-021 paperwork?
My V6 SH-AWD was built Oct 2014. I'm lucky enough to have no major 9 speed problems except slight delay in downshift and downshift surge only in sport+. The TSB 12-06 is not meant for my VIN number but I keep ready how it improved the shift pattern for others that have posted. Should I ask my dealer to perform this update or leave well enough alone? I drive pretty aggressively and find acceleration to be good. Appreciate reading everyone's experiences. Basically I love the car but if response and downshift could be faster I'd love it more. Thanks
My V6 SH-AWD was built Oct 2014. I'm lucky enough to have no major 9 speed problems except slight delay in downshift and downshift surge only in sport+. The TSB 12-06 is not meant for my VIN number but I keep ready how it improved the shift pattern for others that have posted. Should I ask my dealer to perform this update or leave well enough alone? I drive pretty aggressively and find acceleration to be good. Appreciate reading everyone's experiences. Basically I love the car but if response and downshift could be faster I'd love it more. Thanks
All I can say is that 16-012 has very much improved the shift performance of my later build 2015. But I'm still early with this software and won't know for sure until I get more time with it.
I just got a software update on the transmission last week and it did nothing unfortunately. I go in on Monday to have a technician go on a test drive with me to take snapshots of the computer when I think the transmission is being off, such as the 2-3 jerk. But I really don't know what to tell him, the transmission just behaves very poorly compared to my '16 MDX. The MDX's power seems so much more effortless and it shifts so much smoother and quicker. I know they are two different cars, but they do have the same engine and transmission. I just don't think I'll have a case on Monday when I can't really pinpoint exact problems (other than the 2-3 jerk and my 4-5 shift is starting to make noise and give a jolt) and then they'll tell me my transmission is fine, but it doesn't seem so.
On Monday shift with the paddles in sport+ mode to illustrate the issue. Shit at about the 3K RPM mark with average acceleration (not too light, not too fast). They can't feel that and say everything is fine. Well they can (they did with me), but it gives you something undeniable to complain about.
There's been speculation on earlier pages that the additional weight makes the 2-3 shift issue get a lot better or just disappear. Folks who have hauled around an extra 400 lbs in their TLX notice different shift behavior. There is about a 4-600 lb difference between the TLX and MDX (depending on your option package).
On Monday shift with the paddles in sport+ mode to illustrate the issue. Shit at about the 3K RPM mark with average acceleration (not too light, not too fast). They can't feel that and say everything is fine. Well they can (they did with me), but it gives you something undeniable to complain about.
On Monday shift with the paddles in sport+ mode to illustrate the issue. Shit at about the 3K RPM mark with average acceleration (not too light, not too fast). They can't feel that and say everything is fine. Well they can (they did with me), but it gives you something undeniable to complain about.
Maybe this is why some folks are noticing the 2-3 shift while others are not....Acura "designed it that way" for the American driver typical weight. Wasn't the lead engineer on the TLX like 6'8" and 260 lbs? Smooth as silk for him.
Took a technician (about 200lbs I'd say, regarding the weight theory) for a test drive. He felt the 2-3 rough shift and some other lunging and rough shifting. At the end he told me he didn't feel that there was anything wrong with the transmission and in the notes I got, it stated technician did not experience any abnormal shifting. They then told me to wait until the car hits 10k miles (current at 6,300) to fully break it in and the problem should go away.
Sounds like a crock of poo poo to me.
I thought the same thing, sounds like they don't want to do anything to the car. Just drove my MDX with the same transmission, wow did they perfect it in that car. Not sure if I have a leg to stand on when I compare my MDX transmission to my TLX when I'm at the dealership. They are both 9spd but I know they are setup differently, but same transmission so why would my TLX feel so sloppy and have the 2-3 jerk whereas my MDX does not? I need to drive a '16 TLX one of these days to see how it compares. I will push for something to be done to the car when I hit 10k miles and nothing has changed.

