TLX doesn't do it for me
#41
In comparison my TSX feels much lighter and zippier. In that sense it definitely does not feel German, it feels Japanese!
My all-time favorite car was my 2007 3G TL. And my last several cars have been a 2012 TSX, a 2009 C300, a 2004 Mazda RX-8 (a love/hate car if there ever was one), a 2000 TL, and a 1998 CL.
#42
Agreed! Although, I had an 07 type S which was really stiff and bone jarring and it ate through tires like no ones business. I have a friend that has a 05 TL base. I also had a 09 SH-AWD and a now currently in a 2013. There is NO comparison of the 3G and 4G. I hated the 4G initially but after driving it, the ride and build quality was enough to pull me over. The look grew on me the day I bought the 09.
#43
You bring up an interesting point. There is something about leather that just makes it feel like a requirement for luxury vehicles, however, quietly it feels like more and more manufacturers are moving away from leather and cars in the $30,000 price range have "leatherette". Honestly, I want the car to look and feel the best three to five years down the line.
To me, that means whatever material is the most durable and yet still looks good. I have the TSX SE and I really don't mind that a good portion of the seats are not leather. Take a stroll over to the Auto News board and they'll tell you about how this new material is a detriment to the TLX, while they all drive Subarus and BMWs that use the same or equivalent non-leather interior.
To me, that means whatever material is the most durable and yet still looks good. I have the TSX SE and I really don't mind that a good portion of the seats are not leather. Take a stroll over to the Auto News board and they'll tell you about how this new material is a detriment to the TLX, while they all drive Subarus and BMWs that use the same or equivalent non-leather interior.
Got Nuluxe on my IS. No choice. I really hated the thought of it. Thought it was "down market". But it's the only way Lexus could pull off their foam injection method for the seats and surprise -- it looks like new at 10K miles whereas my Acura's seats -- nice as they were -- looked pretty bad pretty quickly.
Now I feel like I'm helping the planet a little bit and again the Nuluxe looks great.
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JeffS (08-06-2014)
#44
Agreed! Although, I had an 07 type S which was really stiff and bone jarring and it ate through tires like no ones business. I have a friend that has a 05 TL base. I also had a 09 SH-AWD and a now currently in a 2013. There is NO comparison of the 3G and 4G. I hated the 4G initially but after driving it, the ride and build quality was enough to pull me over. The look grew on me the day I bought the 09.
#46
What makes you think that? Sure, there are a lot of us and its by far the most active section on azine. Have you seen a 3G owner post about how their car is more advanced or sophisticated then the TLX, or any other modern luxury sport sedan for that matter?
#47
It seems to me that he's saying that it's the 3G owners that are complaining about the TLX not looking/being sporty enough and that the 3G was the last sporty looking TL...
#48
not only that, the majority of the 3g owners think theyre car is far superior to the 4g. the 4g is all around a much better car than the 3g. looks aside, which is subjective. im sure the tlx is improvement on the 4g when it comes to drive quality, acceleration and handling. so if the 4g is better driving car than the 3g and the tlx is better than the 4g, how can a 3g driver honestly say the tlx does nothing for them? its a superior car period. its called denial which is very common amongst enthusiasts. I for one am very open to change if its better. I don't live in my little box thinking whatever I own is better. its quite annoying just like 350z owners were when the 370 came out. everyone was bashing it. the 370 is every bit the car the 350z and does everything better. I still own a built and boosted 350z which I would trade straight in a heart beat for a nice stock 370z.
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dysonlu (08-06-2014)
#49
not only that, the majority of the 3g owners think theyre car is far superior to the 4g. the 4g is all around a much better car than the 3g. looks aside, which is subjective. im sure the tlx is improvement on the 4g when it comes to drive quality, acceleration and handling. so if the 4g is better driving car than the 3g and the tlx is better than the 4g, how can a 3g driver honestly say the tlx does nothing for them? its a superior car period. its called denial which is very common amongst enthusiasts. I for one am very open to change if its better. I don't live in my little box thinking whatever I own is better. its quite annoying just like 350z owners were when the 370 came out. everyone was bashing it. the 370 is every bit the car the 350z and does everything better. I still own a built and boosted 350z which I would trade straight in a heart beat for a nice stock 370z.
#50
#51
not only that, the majority of the 3g owners think theyre car is far superior to the 4g. the 4g is all around a much better car than the 3g. looks aside, which is subjective. im sure the tlx is improvement on the 4g when it comes to drive quality, acceleration and handling. so if the 4g is better driving car than the 3g and the tlx is better than the 4g, how can a 3g driver honestly say the tlx does nothing for them? its a superior car period. its called denial which is very common amongst enthusiasts. I for one am very open to change if its better. I don't live in my little box thinking whatever I own is better. its quite annoying just like 350z owners were when the 370 came out. everyone was bashing it. the 370 is every bit the car the 350z and does everything better. I still own a built and boosted 350z which I would trade straight in a heart beat for a nice stock 370z.
It's not denial it's preference.
There is a reason the 3G was such a success.
#52
not only that, the majority of the 3g owners think theyre car is far superior to the 4g. the 4g is all around a much better car than the 3g. looks aside, which is subjective. im sure the tlx is improvement on the 4g when it comes to drive quality, acceleration and handling. so if the 4g is better driving car than the 3g and the tlx is better than the 4g, how can a 3g driver honestly say the tlx does nothing for them? its a superior car period. its called denial which is very common amongst enthusiasts. I for one am very open to change if its better. I don't live in my little box thinking whatever I own is better. its quite annoying just like 350z owners were when the 370 came out. everyone was bashing it. the 370 is every bit the car the 350z and does everything better. I still own a built and boosted 350z which I would trade straight in a heart beat for a nice stock 370z.
The problem is that acura shouldn't try to compete with itself but rather the other brands that have advanced considerably since 2003. When I bought my 3G, the only other car that came close IMO was the bimmer. G35 was underpowered and unrefined, audi was non existent unless you bought the s4, cadillac was a joke, lexus IS/altezza was a ricer mobile. Now all those cars may have surpassed acura. I get that some people will hate on the next because they have the current, but some of us are frustrated that we can't drive our car(in this case 5G) and feel like we have the best car on the road. Most of us haven't felt that way since the 3G and are hoping acura will step there game up like everyone else did.
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BEAR-AvHistory (08-06-2014)
#53
Just to comment on the leather vs leatherette debate, I feel like the fake leather seats definitely do hold up better over time with less care, but I've had my tsx for just over a year and a half, and with periodic cleaning with wipes, the leather has kept in really great condition and still smells new.
When I think of luxury, especially old school Rolls and Bentley, I always equate them with the scent of really nice leather. I just feel like a luxury/premium car should have leather seats. I also think people should take care of these cars to maintain said luxury ha.
When I think of luxury, especially old school Rolls and Bentley, I always equate them with the scent of really nice leather. I just feel like a luxury/premium car should have leather seats. I also think people should take care of these cars to maintain said luxury ha.
#54
I had my M37S for 39 months and 45K miles and the leather looked as goos as day one. No wrinkles no worn spots or sags. I treated it with LeatherCPR every couple of months. Also tinted windows helps as UV is one of the biggest factors in material aging.
#55
As a 3G owner I disagree. When the 3G came out I thought it was hands down the best option for style(especially interior), performance(270hp) and refinement. It outclassed everyone in its category including BMW's highest trims(330i at the time) not named m3. Exterior aesthetics aside the 4G is clearly an upgrade in every way over the 3G and I expect the same for the 5G.
The problem is that acura shouldn't try to compete with itself but rather the other brands that have advanced considerably since 2003. When I bought my 3G, the only other car that came close IMO was the bimmer. G35 was underpowered and unrefined, audi was non existent unless you bought the s4, cadillac was a joke, lexus IS/altezza was a ricer mobile. Now all those cars may have surpassed acura. I get that some people will hate on the next because they have the current, but some of us are frustrated that we can't drive our car(in this case 5G) and feel like we have the best car on the road. Most of us haven't felt that way since the 3G and are hoping acura will step there game up like everyone else did.
The problem is that acura shouldn't try to compete with itself but rather the other brands that have advanced considerably since 2003. When I bought my 3G, the only other car that came close IMO was the bimmer. G35 was underpowered and unrefined, audi was non existent unless you bought the s4, cadillac was a joke, lexus IS/altezza was a ricer mobile. Now all those cars may have surpassed acura. I get that some people will hate on the next because they have the current, but some of us are frustrated that we can't drive our car(in this case 5G) and feel like we have the best car on the road. Most of us haven't felt that way since the 3G and are hoping acura will step there game up like everyone else did.
I can agree with your point of view when it comes to other manufacturers vehicles. I'm commenting on the OP's post about he got "nothing" out of the TLX. he wasn't comparing to bmw, lexus or audi, it was compared this 3G. most 3G owners are blinded to the fact that the looks aside the 4g and 5g are just better cars.
#57
I can agree with your point of view when it comes to other manufacturers vehicles. I'm commenting on the OP's post about he got "nothing" out of the TLX. he wasn't comparing to bmw, lexus or audi, it was compared this 3G. most 3G owners are blinded to the fact that the looks aside the 4g and 5g are just better cars.
If a car is not attractive 9:10 they are not going to go for a test drive. Most people, not everyone, will not spend $40K while holding their nose over a cars looks. The car had good technology in a not so good wrapper.
Looks like they got the wrapper right in the 5G, question remains will it be enough to bring back the customers who went elsewhere & the ones sitting on their 3G's.
Acura has always sold well to the Honda family & people moving up from base transportation. That said it has had a harder time with conquest sales in the lower premium class, which it needs to turn around to get back to 3G sales levels.
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lindros2 (08-07-2014)
#58
Another gripe is the lack of a center pass-through for skis. I'd happily pay for this feature. AWD cars often go to the mountains in the winter. And this is not just TLX, it's missing on all Acura vehicles.
I don't quite understand the thinking at Honda/Acura. They used to offer it.
I don't quite understand the thinking at Honda/Acura. They used to offer it.
#59
Another gripe is the lack of a center pass-through for skis. I'd happily pay for this feature. AWD cars often go to the mountains in the winter. And this is not just TLX, it's missing on all Acura vehicles.
I don't quite understand the thinking at Honda/Acura. They used to offer it.
I don't quite understand the thinking at Honda/Acura. They used to offer it.
#60
#61
I bought my 4G TL in 2013, years after it came out and was criticized by OTHERS for its styling, because ** I** loved the way it looks and voted with my wallet
To be fair, I really liked the 3G, as well, but I simply wasn't in the market for a sedan at that time (was enjoying my 2005 Subaru Outback XT).
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a35tl (08-06-2014)
#62
To me luxury is about lazy car ownership!
#63
Honda used to offer the pass-through - it's a simple cut out. Nothing more practical than this feature. Now they have the nerve to not even offer 40/60 split folding seat in the Accord.
#64
I'm going to be selling my leased TSX back to the dealership Saturday. They are getting a demo TLX (hopefully a 4 cylinder) and I hope to take it for a spin.
I won't be getting a new car for 18-24 months and right now the front runners are the TLX, and.... the Ford Fusion. I've driven the Fusion a few times, and love it for its styling and very Germanic feel.
However, I'm a 4x Acura owner and the durability and resale advantage would certainly go to the TLX. I would plan on keeping my next car for quite awhile.
Equipped the way I'd want, I'm looking at about $35K for a 4 cylinder tech vs. $31K for a Fusion SE optioned similarly to the TLX.
I won't be getting a new car for 18-24 months and right now the front runners are the TLX, and.... the Ford Fusion. I've driven the Fusion a few times, and love it for its styling and very Germanic feel.
However, I'm a 4x Acura owner and the durability and resale advantage would certainly go to the TLX. I would plan on keeping my next car for quite awhile.
Equipped the way I'd want, I'm looking at about $35K for a 4 cylinder tech vs. $31K for a Fusion SE optioned similarly to the TLX.
#65
#66
Another gripe is the lack of a center pass-through for skis. I'd happily pay for this feature. AWD cars often go to the mountains in the winter. And this is not just TLX, it's missing on all Acura vehicles.
I don't quite understand the thinking at Honda/Acura. They used to offer it.
I don't quite understand the thinking at Honda/Acura. They used to offer it.
#68
#69
As a 3G owner I disagree. When the 3G came out I thought it was hands down the best option for style(especially interior), performance(270hp) and refinement. It outclassed everyone in its category including BMW's highest trims(330i at the time) not named m3. Exterior aesthetics aside the 4G is clearly an upgrade in every way over the 3G and I expect the same for the 5G.
The problem is that acura shouldn't try to compete with itself but rather the other brands that have advanced considerably since 2003. When I bought my 3G, the only other car that came close IMO was the bimmer. G35 was underpowered and unrefined, audi was non existent unless you bought the s4, cadillac was a joke, lexus IS/altezza was a ricer mobile. Now all those cars may have surpassed acura. I get that some people will hate on the next because they have the current, but some of us are frustrated that we can't drive our car(in this case 5G) and feel like we have the best car on the road. Most of us haven't felt that way since the 3G and are hoping acura will step there game up like everyone else did.
The problem is that acura shouldn't try to compete with itself but rather the other brands that have advanced considerably since 2003. When I bought my 3G, the only other car that came close IMO was the bimmer. G35 was underpowered and unrefined, audi was non existent unless you bought the s4, cadillac was a joke, lexus IS/altezza was a ricer mobile. Now all those cars may have surpassed acura. I get that some people will hate on the next because they have the current, but some of us are frustrated that we can't drive our car(in this case 5G) and feel like we have the best car on the road. Most of us haven't felt that way since the 3G and are hoping acura will step there game up like everyone else did.
#75
The 3rd gen CR-V has 40/20/40 split, and Accord had center pass through before.
If you enjoy 4-5 hr trek with 2 kids sitting really close to each other, more power to you.
I'm now looking at GTI, which has 40/60 split with center pass through, and heated cloth seats.
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lindros2 (08-07-2014)
#76
Not every TL, TLX, 3 series, Audi S4, C/CLA is going to appeal to everyone. As an owner of several 3s, an S4, and 2-TLs, you're going to pay for things on a BMW after the warranty period that will make you speechless if you had to ever pay for something similar on any Acura. Audi is the same.
Not saying the TLS is or isn't for everyone. I had an '05 TL. It's nowhere remotely close to a 4G, let alone a TLS, IMHO.
My 3G, in comparison was loud, with a floppy suspension, a trans that pales when compared to the 4G 6-speed, and certainly to the 8DCT or 9 sp in the TLS.
Not saying the TLS is or isn't for everyone. I had an '05 TL. It's nowhere remotely close to a 4G, let alone a TLS, IMHO.
My 3G, in comparison was loud, with a floppy suspension, a trans that pales when compared to the 4G 6-speed, and certainly to the 8DCT or 9 sp in the TLS.
#77
You bring up an interesting point. There is something about leather that just makes it feel like a requirement for luxury vehicles, however, quietly it feels like more and more manufacturers are moving away from leather and cars in the $30,000 price range have "leatherette". Honestly, I want the car to look and feel the best three to five years down the line.
To me, that means whatever material is the most durable and yet still looks good. I have the TSX SE and I really don't mind that a good portion of the seats are not leather. Take a stroll over to the Auto News board and they'll tell you about how this new material is a detriment to the TLX, while they all drive Subarus and BMWs that use the same or equivalent non-leather interior.
To me, that means whatever material is the most durable and yet still looks good. I have the TSX SE and I really don't mind that a good portion of the seats are not leather. Take a stroll over to the Auto News board and they'll tell you about how this new material is a detriment to the TLX, while they all drive Subarus and BMWs that use the same or equivalent non-leather interior.
#78
I thought the the Fusion was a nice looking car when it first came out. Now I have come to a realization the Honda/Toyota go with conservative styling. The designs tend to be timeless. The Fusion already looks dated.
#79
I was pissed when my 2004 TL and 2006 RL lacked both.
#80
No current Acura or Honda SUVs offer center pass through or 40/20/40 split.
The 3rd gen CR-V has 40/20/40 split, and Accord had center pass through before.
If you enjoy 4-5 hr trek with 2 kids sitting really close to each other, more power to you.
I'm now looking at GTI, which has 40/60 split with center pass through, and heated cloth seats.
The 3rd gen CR-V has 40/20/40 split, and Accord had center pass through before.
If you enjoy 4-5 hr trek with 2 kids sitting really close to each other, more power to you.
I'm now looking at GTI, which has 40/60 split with center pass through, and heated cloth seats.
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