Colin

We are in a similar situation with my wife's CR-Z. We're looking at a '15 Fit EX 6MT but this seems to be mysteriously late as well. The 'official' launch was supposed to be April, but few cars have reached dealers so far. I just initiated our 2nd 6 month extension and have till Jan '15, but considering the build rate of manuals, I'm growing concerned. With the CR-Z, I would not buy the lease, and wouldn't recommend that you do it with the TL either. It's probably not worth the residual, even with the extensions.

mylove4cars

My dealership states that they are selling a lot of TL's because of the announcement that the TLX might be delayed to the end of the year?

Anyone aware about "The End Of The Year"?

Colin

Definitely haven't heard that. We have 3 TLs left (1 Tech and 2 Advance), and only 14 TSXs (9 base and 5 SEs). We couldn't sell a 'lot' of anything if the TLX is going to be that late.

mylove4cars

Why?

Colin

Nothing left to sell. As noted, we're already mostly out of TL and TSX, we're out of ILX base and tech, and have only 4 RLX Tech and 3 Krell.

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

i thought that was implied. 17 cars will go quick

mylove4cars

Maybe I miss understood you, that's (Why?) came from. The reason I believed the dealership is just that - TLX who knows when they will be available, for now all speculation - TL's are available and selling well.

Acura_Dude

Colin

Just to be clear, I'm not saying I don't believe your dealership, just that I haven't heard such news. Maybe they're saying end of year BECAUSE they have a lot of TLs left? We have only 3 left and could use the TLX ASAP.

Colin

We have a grand total of 56 new in stock right now. Pathetic.

mylove4cars

About 21 TL's - 19 FWD - 2 SH-AWD

KeithL

Wow, I that is more than all 4 metro Atlanta dealers have.

weather

^^ I think Colin is talking about ALL vehicles in their inventory....Not just the TL. I thought he said they only had about 3 TL left.

Colin

^^That. I've said 3 TLs twice today...

rkan121

I love my MDX? Then it started burning oil. fml

Gen4MDX

Could you expand on the oil burning? Mine uses about a quart about every 3-4k, yet dealer says this is normal, 1qt per 1k miles is within spec is what they told me, I laughed in their face and told them that was great marketing for Acura and would let family and friends know I am beginning to not care for where Acura is heading and after being loyal for so many years am beginning to consider the competition....Lexus in particular.

Gen4MDX

Just went and checked my oil, down 1/2 qt and 2k miles since last oil change, only 11k miles total, Acura, this sucks and it is pathetic your service departments are saying this is normal. ALL of my previous Hondas and Acura's have NEVER used a drop of oil, including my high Reving S2000 until I bought the MDX with the 3.7 liter. I am pissed, a $50k vehicle that uses oil.

Oswald Vater

It is true that the car will not be worth the residual. Recent inquiries put the value of the car at around 18k while I still owe about 21k on it. However if I decide to buy the car I will do so with the intent of keeping it long-term which should negate any difference. It is in pristine condition with only 22k miles. I'm sure my dealer will do everything in his power to get me to re-lease if I let him know my intentions are to move to a competitor.

HeartTLs

iTrader: (5)

60K audi's and bmw's do as well, welcome to the real world

fsttyms1

Its a 3.7 thing. You have to use "more" than 1qt every 1k miles for them to even say we will look into it.

Colin

NP, I was only saying NOT to buy it with the intention of trading it in when the the TLX arrives. If you keep it, it's not an issue.

docboy

Yup, mines burns oil as well. It's "normal" to burn oil per my dealership. "Nothing wrong." Fricking bastards, at least admit there is an issue...

I think the oil consumption issue is why Acura went back to the 3.5V6 for the TLX and MDX.

Darkcyde024

iTrader: (1)

Had this happen with my 06' RL while it was still under warranty. They kept saying it was normal but I insisted it was not. They had me do an oil consumption test and finally decided to address the issue. After installing an entirely new short block, I was still burning oil excessively. Acura ended up disassembling my heads and getting them re-machined, which finally did the trick. It was a difficult experience but being persistent paid off... at least in my case.

Do a google search on it.. it's a fairly well known problem.

Gen4MDX

Talked with the service manager today, he told me that 1qt every 1,000 miles is considered normal by Honda, but said he does not agree with this after I told him I would be letting my friends and family know that Honda says it is normal.

He said they would do a leak down test and document the results? I am wondering what you guys would do? Even if the results prove that I am using a qt every 4k, that does not mean that Acura would do anything about it.

BTW, what all is involved in a leak down test and would you have it done in this situation. TIA

BEAR-AvHistory

I think it became "normal" when a lot of people started to report the issue. Back when I used to commute that would have been 1.75qts month. Theoretically, I would never have to change my oil just filters.

JT4

^LOL^

fsttyms1

A guy that works for me does that with his altima, He is on 75k+ miles on his oil. It burns enough that he has to add a quart every 2 weeks so he just changes the filter every 4 months.

Oswald Vater

NP as well - I would absolutely not buy it to trade it. It wouldn't be a smart money-move. If I buy it I'm keeping it long-term. However, if I re-lease I will do so by October whether it be with Acura or not.

hondu

I was wondering, what kind of break-in regimen did you do on your engine? Have you always just followed the MM for your OCI?

Gen4MDX

Varying rpm's, did not baby it, but did not drive it hard, (keeping rpm's below redline) basically what the owners manual said, this is like our 10th new vehicle so I am not a newb. OCI has be done usually at 40% left, except 1st one we went to 15% due to factory break in oil.

Acura_Dude

I've read about the 2G MDX's consuming oil as well as the 4G TL. I've read it on Bob the oil guy's forum, edmunds forums, and MDXer.org(?). Im not sure how widespread it is, or if it's a serious thing (compared to the 3G tranny issues), considering how many MDX's was made with the 3.7. Hard to judge how many people actually have this issue by reading about it online. I did read a couple posts on different forums that said the oil consumption did stop at around 15-20K+ miles or so. I just google'd it when I read about it on here yesterday. One guy was mad that his 2010 MDX (4 yr old thread on another forum) was consuming about a quart every 4.5K miles (granted he only had about 5000 miles on the car when he made the thread, it was new). I can't remember but I think his stopped after a few thousand more miles.

I've also read that Honda says 1qt/1000 miles is within normal range. IDK how true that is as well. Hopefully yours will stop consuming oil, though I read (on here actually) this is a characteristic of the 3.7. Not sure. Maybe someone can chime in on this. I haven't started here about the oil consumption issue with the MDX or 4G TL until recently. I've read about this issue on the 2G TSX with the manual tranny though awhile back.

George Knighton

I had a 2010 TL 6-6 SH-AWD that had close to 90,000 miles on it when I got my RLX.

I had zero issues with oil consumption on the J37 motor.

I have zero issues with oil consumption on the RLX after 10,500 miles.

Acura_Dude

Good deal. I was wondering if it was just an isolated event. I know ALL makes and models can burn oil and some are caused by manufacturer defects.

George, any reason why you traded the TL?

fsttyms1

Its not isolated, many here complain of it. There was a class action law suit on honda for oil consumption on the v6s with vcm. Why acura wasnt included is beyond me.

https://acurazine.com/forums/4g-tl-problems-fixes-297/oil-consumption-784028/



http://www.hondaproblems.com/problem...sumption.shtml

Gen4MDX

It appears to only affect the engines with the nikasil liner, the 3.7 in the MDX and TL's with SHawd. The other Hondas you mention in the class action suit were the gen 1 vcm motors I believe.

George Knighton

A very good double team effort by a senior salesman and the general manager, coupled with openness about the Acura money that would make it a good deal, primarily. This Acura dealership has always been very solicitous of me, and coupled with the deal that was available and 0.9% financing...it's easy to buy something from Acura these days. :-)

It helped that there was somebody on site who wanted a TL 6-6 SH-AWD, too, so it was a better price than a trade.

The RLX is a very nice car; however, I'd have to say that the 4G TL 6-6 SH-AWD was an outstanding car in its day.

The features of the RLX Advance model, like ACC+LKAS working together, allow me to make a 90 minute commute on occasion, and arrive much, much more refreshed than if I'd have had to make the same commute in the 4G TL.

It has been an absolutely solid car so far, but if you want an engaging sports sedan and don't have to travel long distances, then I'd snag a TL 6-6 while you still can! :-)

I suppose that I should back up and say that since my car was a 6-6, I did not have VCM.

The VCM in my RLX only has two modes, the six cylinder mode and the 3 cylinder mode, and you can hardly tell when it is working. Cruising along at a moderate speed, if you go into Sport Mode the car will surge forward a bit because it's gone to six cylinders and suddenly has a lot more power.

Something odd that I've noticed, though. I've been doing this for 10,000+ miles now, and I swear that my city mileage is slightly better in Sport Mode. Very strange. I'd stay in Sport Mode except there's no way to force it into 6th gear when you could be in 6th. Left to its own devices it stays in 5th gear up to something like 65 or 70, I think, in Sport Mode.

Acura_Dude

Maybe Honda should take a look into this issue with the 3.7.

Good deal.

Gen4MDX

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They should, but they won't. They would never admit this, instead they say that 1 qt consumed per 1,000 miles is considered normal.

I am about ready to remove honda from my consideration set and I was a long term honda fan since 1988

George Knighton

I'm on your side saying that they should reconsider this if it is a big enough problem that we all know about it.

If you're using one quart per thousand miles, then you will blow up the motor before the study use A1 or B1 light trips at around 7500 miles!!

An owner is not under any particular legal compunction to check his oil often enough to avoid this.

There's a lot of people out there with 100,000 mile warranties tacked on at the dealership, but even with the standard warranty, that's a lot of potential motors replaced under warranty.

But are we sure there isn't a quiet replacement going on with the 3.7 like what's going on with the 3.5?

It's also a problem with some K Motor cars.

A high volume Honda dealership around Baltimore.... I visited them very recently and there were several motors, both J Motors and K Motors, in there with piston/ring replacements scheduled to take care of oil consumption.

komplexZ

2nd gen tsx 2.4 has oil consumption issues as well. Mine started burning oil @55k miles. I haven't been disciplined enough to really keep track, but I'd guess I'm doing @1qt every 2k miles. Others on tsx forums have said dealers say same thing about "1qt/1k miles is normal", I'm sorry but that's an unacceptable amount for a newer design car. My 1990 300ZX twinturbo v6 doesn't burn any oil with @100k on it :/


I was honestly thinking about an MDX in the next couple years for a family vehicle (3row seating seems very handy), but I've been reading about them with oil burning issues too. So I'm not really too impressed with Honda engines anymore