TLX = Junk
11-01-2015 | 08:20 PM
#41
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Posts: 134
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From: wa
The GLE Coupe & SUV both have 550 & 577 BHP engines available. IMHO high 3, low 4 seconds to 60 is enough heart & soul to cover any shortfall in the rest of the range.
In advertising land there is always puffery from the marketing guys but always nice that someplace in the products lineup there is some muscle to back up the claims.
C&D says
Mostly, though, this vehicle is all about style and performance. With the GLE63 S topping the power of the recently redesigned BMW X6 M, and also outmuscling the Porsche Cayenne Turbo and the Range Rover Sport SVR, this Mercedes might well emerge as the sportiest of them all.
Maybe it would be nice if Acura had something in the TLX product line that came even somewhat close to the zoomy adds. As it stands it has roughly the same overall performance as a Toyota Camry XSE V-6.
C&D RESULTS:
Camery
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.3 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.3 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 178 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.81 g
TLX
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.1 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.2 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 129 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 174 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.82 g
The fact we don't agree on this does not change what is & what is trying to be projected. Why try to create a performance image with a car that is average in that regard when you can sell those things its very good at, bang for the buck, nice electronics, interior & ride etc.
In advertising land there is always puffery from the marketing guys but always nice that someplace in the products lineup there is some muscle to back up the claims.
C&D says
Mostly, though, this vehicle is all about style and performance. With the GLE63 S topping the power of the recently redesigned BMW X6 M, and also outmuscling the Porsche Cayenne Turbo and the Range Rover Sport SVR, this Mercedes might well emerge as the sportiest of them all.
Maybe it would be nice if Acura had something in the TLX product line that came even somewhat close to the zoomy adds. As it stands it has roughly the same overall performance as a Toyota Camry XSE V-6.
C&D RESULTS:
Camery
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.3 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.3 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 178 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.81 g
TLX
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.1 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.2 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 129 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 174 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.82 g
The fact we don't agree on this does not change what is & what is trying to be projected. Why try to create a performance image with a car that is average in that regard when you can sell those things its very good at, bang for the buck, nice electronics, interior & ride etc.
Dang, I didn't know the old man V6 camery is that quick! It looks pretty sporty also! Yeah... come on Acura... you need to do better than that!! Type S would bring back the THRILL.... well maybe
11-01-2015 | 08:36 PM
#42
Instructor
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 134
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From: wa
I have owned a lot of cars before this little turd mobile. Does it really matter though, several are sedans, some SUVs and a couple pickups. I know you are desperately looking for some scrap of info so you can try to dismiss my opinion of my Acuras. The fact is though, I own them, I don't like them, and this really bothers you. It bothers you because you are a loser who is so proud of his little 4 cylinder compact car, that he cannot stand someone who wouldn't like it.
It's a car, a fair car at best. It will likely be in the scrap yard within 10 years. But you will still be insecure, arguing with people, about their purchases to make yourself feel good about your purchases.
It's a car, a fair car at best. It will likely be in the scrap yard within 10 years. But you will still be insecure, arguing with people, about their purchases to make yourself feel good about your purchases.
11-01-2015 | 08:49 PM
#43
Burning Brakes
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 890
Likes: 164
The GLE Coupe & SUV both have 550 & 577 BHP engines available. IMHO high 3, low 4 seconds to 60 is enough heart & soul to cover any shortfall in the rest of the range.
In advertising land there is always puffery from the marketing guys but always nice that someplace in the products lineup there is some muscle to back up the claims.
C&D says
Mostly, though, this vehicle is all about style and performance. With the GLE63 S topping the power of the recently redesigned BMW X6 M, and also outmuscling the Porsche Cayenne Turbo and the Range Rover Sport SVR, this Mercedes might well emerge as the sportiest of them all.
Maybe it would be nice if Acura had something in the TLX product line that came even somewhat close to the zoomy adds. As it stands it has roughly the same overall performance as a Toyota Camry XSE V-6.
C&D RESULTS:
Camery
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.3 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.3 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 178 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.81 g
TLX
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.1 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.2 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 129 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 174 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.82 g
The fact we don't agree on this does not change what is & what is trying to be projected. Why try to create a performance image with a car that is average in that regard when you can sell those things its very good at, bang for the buck, nice electronics, interior & ride etc.
In advertising land there is always puffery from the marketing guys but always nice that someplace in the products lineup there is some muscle to back up the claims.
C&D says
Mostly, though, this vehicle is all about style and performance. With the GLE63 S topping the power of the recently redesigned BMW X6 M, and also outmuscling the Porsche Cayenne Turbo and the Range Rover Sport SVR, this Mercedes might well emerge as the sportiest of them all.
Maybe it would be nice if Acura had something in the TLX product line that came even somewhat close to the zoomy adds. As it stands it has roughly the same overall performance as a Toyota Camry XSE V-6.
C&D RESULTS:
Camery
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.3 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.3 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 178 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.81 g
TLX
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.1 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.2 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 129 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 174 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.82 g
The fact we don't agree on this does not change what is & what is trying to be projected. Why try to create a performance image with a car that is average in that regard when you can sell those things its very good at, bang for the buck, nice electronics, interior & ride etc.
11-01-2015 | 11:19 PM
#44
Racer
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 486
Likes: 175
From: Indiana
I don't want to minimize OP's problems, but the spoiler is added at the dealer so they are responsible and they should be held accountable for that. I don't know why the wheels are stained, but I don't know how that's Acura's fault since I haven't seen much related to that on forums or whatnot and maybe they can be cleaned. The stereo is a subjective matter and although it's not the best, it isn't the worst and that should have been tested during the test drive. The rattles, rear defroster and bluetooth should be covered under warranty and I'd check with the dealer about getting those fixed. The exterior appearance (paint matching) is on us the consumer to find during the test drive or when taking delivery.
I understand if you're angry that you feel the TLX is a piece of crap, and that's your opinion, but at least you don't have a demonic transmission so that's a positive.
I understand if you're angry that you feel the TLX is a piece of crap, and that's your opinion, but at least you don't have a demonic transmission so that's a positive.
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11-02-2015 | 08:40 AM
#45
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You've already shown your bias, but its funny you have no issue with a top heavy SUV claiming it has the heart, and soul of a racecar because a tiny fraction of sales will have high HP engines (what's handling?). Show a TLX driving down some twisty roads however, and....F1 car? (I would have said racecar, but if GLE's qualify....)
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11-02-2015 | 09:34 AM
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11-02-2015 | 11:38 AM
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11-02-2015 | 12:37 PM
#49
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We have not seen the numbers for the MB yet but C&D said it should be quicker than the BMW X5M SUV.
C&D Lightning Laps Historical rankings @ the 4.1 mile VIR full course.
# 115 2012 BMW X5 M 3:11.1
# 116 2007 Audi RS4 3:11.2
So yes an SUV can be pretty sporty That is if you think your Audi is sporty.
Don't think a 328 is very much a sport sedan any more than the TLX is. The entry level sport dedan versions IMHO are the M235 & 340i. This is pretty consistent on the BMW forums where the 320/328 are thought of as nice secretary cars except by those that have them.
For a quick Lexus you need to go to the GS-F but its pricy the GS-350 is not being gobbled up by people looking for a sport sedan but more for a nice Lexus. That said the GS350 will get a bit more horsepower & torque in the 2016 model. Maybe the numbers will improve.
Same with the MB CLA300 the base car is slow the optioned one CLA300AMG is a good performer.
BTW you left out the Infiniti Q50 which also is a very good performer
There was a time, 3G 6MT, when the TL ran with the pick of the small sport sedan litter performance wise & trumped them big time on Bang For The Buck. Those days are long gone & based on what is in the market. Now it competes with the bottom entries & is no longer the king of sales & performance.
Remember when the really big magazine 4 way performance tests were the TL, 335, A4 & G37? If it ever does get into one again it will be with the economy flavors of the other brands not the performance versions.
So its back to the fact that in all brands discussed the base models are not all that strong but the lineups all have strong cars except for the TLX.
C&D Lightning Laps Historical rankings @ the 4.1 mile VIR full course.
# 115 2012 BMW X5 M 3:11.1
# 116 2007 Audi RS4 3:11.2
So yes an SUV can be pretty sporty That is if you think your Audi is sporty.
Don't think a 328 is very much a sport sedan any more than the TLX is. The entry level sport dedan versions IMHO are the M235 & 340i. This is pretty consistent on the BMW forums where the 320/328 are thought of as nice secretary cars except by those that have them.
For a quick Lexus you need to go to the GS-F but its pricy the GS-350 is not being gobbled up by people looking for a sport sedan but more for a nice Lexus. That said the GS350 will get a bit more horsepower & torque in the 2016 model. Maybe the numbers will improve.
Same with the MB CLA300 the base car is slow the optioned one CLA300AMG is a good performer.
BTW you left out the Infiniti Q50 which also is a very good performer
There was a time, 3G 6MT, when the TL ran with the pick of the small sport sedan litter performance wise & trumped them big time on Bang For The Buck. Those days are long gone & based on what is in the market. Now it competes with the bottom entries & is no longer the king of sales & performance.
Remember when the really big magazine 4 way performance tests were the TL, 335, A4 & G37? If it ever does get into one again it will be with the economy flavors of the other brands not the performance versions.
So its back to the fact that in all brands discussed the base models are not all that strong but the lineups all have strong cars except for the TLX.
Last edited by BEAR-AvHistory; 11-02-2015 at 12:46 PM.
11-02-2015 | 01:05 PM
#50
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Some of you guys need to chill out, the TLX is a decent car but it's not some kind of industry benchmark that you should defend to the grave.
I had a chance to drive one for an entire day when my TL was in service and I was pretty underwhelmed, I'm not saying it was a bad car, but nothing in particular stood out to me about it either. It spoke volumes when I got my car back after service, took a look around and thought to myself, I don't see any reason what-so-ever to even consider trading this toward the TLX. I really hope they step up and bring a Type S model to the table. That's the only time I might consider looking at one, assuming the transmission woes have been fixed as well.
I had a chance to drive one for an entire day when my TL was in service and I was pretty underwhelmed, I'm not saying it was a bad car, but nothing in particular stood out to me about it either. It spoke volumes when I got my car back after service, took a look around and thought to myself, I don't see any reason what-so-ever to even consider trading this toward the TLX. I really hope they step up and bring a Type S model to the table. That's the only time I might consider looking at one, assuming the transmission woes have been fixed as well.
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11-02-2015 | 03:14 PM
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I guess you guys havent seen the trolling he has been doing up and down all the tlx and ilx threads calling everyone losers and telling them they dont have real jobs.
I expect his nonesense to be edited as mine has.
I expect his nonesense to be edited as mine has.
11-02-2015 | 05:26 PM
#52
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Tell me an army story. I like those.
11-02-2015 | 06:58 PM
#53
^ consider yourself warned as well. Like I said just seconds ago in your ILX thread, if you want to sling mud at each other do it in Ramblings, in the Off Topic section of the forum- not in the model subforums.
This thread has run its course.
This thread has run its course.
11-02-2015 | 07:25 PM
#54
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We have not seen the numbers for the MB yet but C&D said it should be quicker than the BMW X5M SUV.
C&D Lightning Laps Historical rankings @ the 4.1 mile VIR full course.
# 115 2012 BMW X5 M 3:11.1
# 116 2007 Audi RS4 3:11.2
So yes an SUV can be pretty sporty That is if you think your Audi is sporty.....
So its back to the fact that in all brands discussed the base models are not all that strong but the lineups all have strong cars except the TLX
C&D Lightning Laps Historical rankings @ the 4.1 mile VIR full course.
# 115 2012 BMW X5 M 3:11.1
# 116 2007 Audi RS4 3:11.2
So yes an SUV can be pretty sporty That is if you think your Audi is sporty.....
So its back to the fact that in all brands discussed the base models are not all that strong but the lineups all have strong cars except the TLX
The widely played GLE ad isn't an AMG commercial. It's not called sporty, it literally states it has the heart and sole of a race car. But again you have no problem with that, but we should report Acura to the FCC for their portrayal of driving on twisty roads at moderate speeds.
An X5M can be manhandled around a track faster than a Ferrari, still doesn't make it a racecar. I can't believe I actually have to explain that. For many cars are more than just magazine stats, 0-60s, and track times, but thanks for your insight.
I have no misconceptions of my RS's performance, especially compared to modern cars in the class. Mine is modified, but I enjoy it's handling, the way it sounds the six speed, subtle looks, and balance between luxury, and rawness, but these aren't things you can explain by magazine stats. Don't think the TLX is a stat car either. Maybe I'm just drawn to them
Last edited by Mr Hyde; 11-02-2015 at 07:34 PM.
11-02-2015 | 07:38 PM
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Sorry. You beat me to it re: the taunting. Started this post before bedtime for the little one. Just got back to it I guess after you locked it.
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