ILX discontinued.
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Not to mention the countless unhappy 2015 owners that have flat out given up on Acura, and counting now that transmission was flagged as faulty (hurts big time, even if not affecting everyone).
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I can't understand why Honda punished the big spenders with that horrible ZF8. Their DCT is much better and they only gave it to the 4 cylinder
#43
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they had the brand cachet in 2005. 2005 to about 2008, they SOLD TONS of TL's.
Except they couldnt carry that momentum over to the newer styled acura's...one bad decision after another and this is the state we are in NOW.
again, they could have had the market in 2010+, BUT they keep fucking up.
Except they couldnt carry that momentum over to the newer styled acura's...one bad decision after another and this is the state we are in NOW.
again, they could have had the market in 2010+, BUT they keep fucking up.
MAGA! "Make Acura Great Again!"... um... nevermind I said that.
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To be fair, the ILX sucked because it was built on one of the worst Civic platforms in the last couple of decades. I for one would have been curious to see what they could have done by building on the awesome 10th gen platform.
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Azine Jabroni
Right. And it lacks any differentiators from a Civic when you get right down to it. Didn't it originally ship with cloth, too? What the heck is the differentiator?
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The problem is that the 9th gen Civic set a bar SO LOW that even with this stuff, the ILX feels like a poor man's Acura. I honestly think the 10th gen Civic is better than the current ILX, which makes me think the next ILX would be substantially better than the current one.
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Dammit I can't even come into an ILX thread and read positive things about the TLX.
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they had the brand cachet in 2005. 2005 to about 2008, they SOLD TONS of TL's.
Except they couldnt carry that momentum over to the newer styled acura's...one bad decision after another and this is the state we are in NOW.
again, they could have had the market in 2010+, BUT they keep fucking up.
and you know what happens to businesses that make bad business decisions, right???
anyone remember AOL?
Sears/kmart?
Except they couldnt carry that momentum over to the newer styled acura's...one bad decision after another and this is the state we are in NOW.
again, they could have had the market in 2010+, BUT they keep fucking up.
and you know what happens to businesses that make bad business decisions, right???
anyone remember AOL?
Sears/kmart?
TL sales halved because of the recession and that god awful beak design gave it a double whammy. If only Acura realized their mistake and immediately fired the designers in 2010 and picked up Peter Schreyer instead of Hyundai, then maybe they would have the success that Kia/Hyundai are having right now.
Imagine the current Stinger being the new TL type S instead?
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Acura's problems go way deeper than this. Even Schreyer won't save Acura because the heads in Honda Japan simply refuse to give them a longitudinal platform to work with. (Volvo being the sole exception, they are able to give their cars great dash to axle ratios to create a traditional RWD-like side profile)
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Acura's problems go way deeper than this. Even Schreyer won't save Acura because the heads in Honda Japan simply refuse to give them a longitudinal platform to work with. (Volvo being the sole exception, they are able to give their cars great dash to axle ratios to create a traditional RWD-like side profile)
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Acura's problems go way deeper than this. Even Schreyer won't save Acura because the heads in Honda Japan simply refuse to give them a longitudinal platform to work with. (Volvo being the sole exception, they are able to give their cars great dash to axle ratios to create a traditional RWD-like side profile)
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The problem is that a concept like Acura makes perfect business sense, but it runs counter to the main philosophy of Honda: affordable, economical, reliable, efficient. Honda's ethos is to do more with less, but a luxury car customer doesn't want more with less; they want more more more. To Honda, nobody rationally needs a V8 when a V6 is perfectly adequate, but what they seem to ignore is that the idea of a luxury car isn't completely rational to begin with. With that in mind, it's not surprising that Honda begrudgingly allows Acura to exist, and is also why Acura tends to be more conservative than other luxury automakers because they can't afford to take a gamble and end up with a dud. As much as the ILX has been panned, people still bought them, and I can't imagine it cost Acura a whole lot for development and tooling given how it was a parts-bin special.
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I bought a TLX and, having owned various Lexus/BMW/MBs, I agree that Acura is more of a premium car than a luxury car. It really is a nicer Accord, but is that such a bad thing?
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#59
Nope, which is why dealers are discounting these cars quite heavily. If you ain't getting at least $5K off of the sticker price, you're doing it wrong .
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It also comes down to some loyals that don't really shop the current market before getting another Acura. I'll admit I was one of them, should have done more research. But in no way I expected the TLX to be so different from my past TLs, just more tech. Didn't help that my test drive had an almost empty tank of gas, should have driven more. But what can you do, it happened... was blinded by the 5k discount.
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It also comes down to some loyals that don't really shop the current market before getting another Acura. I'll admit I was one of them, should have done more research. But in no way I expected the TLX to be so different from my past TLs, just more tech. Didn't help that my test drive had an almost empty tank of gas, should have driven more. But what can you do, it happened... was blinded by the 5k discount.
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No, not bad at all, I owned 2 Accords, a 2003 and a 2011, before I bought my 2014 Hyundai Azera Limited. My wife drove her Odyssey EX-L for 11 years, and she just got a 2017 MDX with tech package, love the car. Lexus was $3000 more with NO 3rd seat, and the Q7 and Mercedes and BMW were all $12,000 to $15,000 more. Of course, I am hoping the MDX is as reliable as our previous Hondas.....sometimes on here you begin to second guess yourself...... I DID buy an extended warranty on the MDX, which I normally never do, because the 9 speed transmission and all the standard safety features are expensive to fix (according to my independent mechanic, who worked at Honda for many years).
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Depends on the person, I guess. I was at a higher end used car lot and saw a 2014 Lexus GS350 F sport with 31,000 miles for under $24500, I wish I needed a car, it just grabbed my ass and shook me and said "BUY ME"!!!! I know most on here don't think Lexus is sporty, but this thing was midnight black and mean........ That car had to be close to $50K new. Would I rather have that over a TLX with the same miles and price? HELL YEAH!! lol.....
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I think the '12 TL is a pretty good leap from the Accord, having driven both of them. But I don't know that I'd buy it new. It's only worth it to me at used prices. It's literally the only Acura sedan I'd care to own right now short or the Hybrid-sport RLX. Or maybe a Blue 07-08 TL-S MT6 with black interior
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I think the '12 TL is a pretty good leap from the Accord, having driven both of them. But I don't know that I'd buy it new. It's only worth it to me at used prices. It's literally the only Acura sedan I'd care to own right now short or the Hybrid-sport RLX. Or maybe a Blue 07-08 TL-S MT6 with black interior
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Depends on the person, I guess. I was at a higher end used car lot and saw a 2014 Lexus GS350 F sport with 31,000 miles for under $24500, I wish I needed a car, it just grabbed my ass and shook me and said "BUY ME"!!!! I know most on here don't think Lexus is sporty, but this thing was midnight black and mean........ That car had to be close to $50K new. Would I rather have that over a TLX with the same miles and price? HELL YEAH!! lol.....
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Having been a Honda buyer since the late 80s (probably one of the few here who’s owned a 1G Accord), my observation is that Acura has never strayed too far from its Honda roots (excl NSX)....even though some brand nostalgists romanticize otherwise. (Toyota and Nissan did a better job of separating themselves from their pedestrian brands with the LS400 and Q45)
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oh stop! I have a 16 V6 and agree with that statement, as I’m sure many of us do. I wanted a nicer and more sporty version of the Accord V6 sedan and that’s pretty much what I got. At 22k, I have zero complaints thus far.
Having been a Honda buyer since the late 80s (probably one of the few here who’s owned a 1G Accord), my observation is that Acura has never strayed too far from its Honda roots (excl NSX)....even though some brand nostalgists romanticize otherwise. (Toyota and Nissan did a better job of separating themselves from their pedestrian brands with the LS400 and Q45)
Having been a Honda buyer since the late 80s (probably one of the few here who’s owned a 1G Accord), my observation is that Acura has never strayed too far from its Honda roots (excl NSX)....even though some brand nostalgists romanticize otherwise. (Toyota and Nissan did a better job of separating themselves from their pedestrian brands with the LS400 and Q45)
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#79
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The DCT was not rated for the torque of the V6. If they had put the 8ZF in the TLX it might have been a completely different (ie better) car, but they put the 9ZF which sucked ass. The 9ZF ruined an otherwise fine car. But idiot management is ruining Acura.
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Burning Brakes
Anyone know the max torque for the 8dct? Could it be that it needs to already be redesigned to handle the new 2.0+ turbo engines? Stupid decision to this day to not make it stronger.