Former 4G owners to TLX comparison?
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Stew4HD (09-12-2014)
09-12-2014, 01:59 PM
#42
This is what it takes to justify your purchase? Now that is very cool. I am very impressed! 
I have driven the Q50S several times. My GF was interested in one and we went back a few times. She bought an IS350 instead. In the end, the Q50 just didn't impress like you say.
My feelings aren't hurt, just calling you out on your BS statements.
The Eau Rouge, a $100K+ car is your gauge? Ok dude. 
I have driven the Q50S several times. My GF was interested in one and we went back a few times. She bought an IS350 instead. In the end, the Q50 just didn't impress like you say. My feelings aren't hurt, just calling you out on your BS statements.
The Eau Rouge, a $100K+ car is your gauge? Ok dude.
09-12-2014, 02:03 PM
#43
Q50? My test drive, the steering was so.....uhhh....unnerving (as in constant need of constant corrections with little to no feedback) and the electronics so pokey slow, and glitchy I crossed it off my list immediately, regardless of pricing.
So, I s'pose it depends on who you're asking about the TLX, the IS, or the Q.
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a35tl (09-12-2014)
09-12-2014, 02:12 PM
#45
Three Wheelin'
I will take the open minded approach and ask what about the Q50 makes it a class above. I've tried to think it through and I come up with pluses and minuses on both cars. Serious question, what is your reason for feeling that way. If it's just price I don't agree because that is a feature, not a benefit.
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09-12-2014, 02:14 PM
#46
Suzuka Master
I will take the open minded approach and ask what about the Q50 makes it a class above. I've tried to think it through and I come up with pluses and minuses on both cars. Serious question, what is your reason for feeling that way. If it's just price I don't agree because that is a feature, not a benefit.
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jjsC5 (09-12-2014)
09-12-2014, 02:56 PM
#47
Sorry for chiming in on this topic as well.
I did drop my TL at the dealer yesterday and test drove the TLX and also stopped by to look at the Infiniti Q50. I am FAR from being an expert on car and my opinion is only that.
As jjsC5 has stated, in my opinion, both vehicles offer positives and negatives. There is no doubt that there is the perception that Infiniti is a more upscale division because of the rear wheel drive plateform versus the FWD of Acura. So right off the bat, Acura has an uphill battle to climb.
I have sat in both vehicle and to an extent, I will say that there are some aspect of the Infiniti interior that I like better than that of the TLX. The seats in the TLX aren't as nice as those in the Q50 in my opinion but if they'd kept the exact same seats at the TL, then I'd have a different story. I like the instrument cluster of the TLX better while to an extent, the centre stack of the Q50 was nice.
I would not say that the interior of the TLX feels cheap....I liked the openess of the TLX better than that of the Q50 but I concede here that if I had to rate both interiors, I would give a small nudge to the Q50.
As far as the exterior....in my opinion, this is where I lean quite quite heavily toward the TLX. Will the exterior of the car give more of an upscale image, no, usually its the features and materials that sort makes a car a luxury/non luxury status....at least it did.
Infiniti has struggled with the steer by wire system and has created a bad image for the brand, so much so that its kept me away. I like the Q50's profile and front look but I cannot stand that rear....despite the dual exhaust.
So lets all agree that the TLX and the Q50 are competing in the same segment (except if you consider the I4) so its down to a matter of preference....pick what is better and more important for you, enjoy and lets return to more respectful conversations.
Thanks....
I did drop my TL at the dealer yesterday and test drove the TLX and also stopped by to look at the Infiniti Q50. I am FAR from being an expert on car and my opinion is only that.
As jjsC5 has stated, in my opinion, both vehicles offer positives and negatives. There is no doubt that there is the perception that Infiniti is a more upscale division because of the rear wheel drive plateform versus the FWD of Acura. So right off the bat, Acura has an uphill battle to climb.
I have sat in both vehicle and to an extent, I will say that there are some aspect of the Infiniti interior that I like better than that of the TLX. The seats in the TLX aren't as nice as those in the Q50 in my opinion but if they'd kept the exact same seats at the TL, then I'd have a different story. I like the instrument cluster of the TLX better while to an extent, the centre stack of the Q50 was nice.
I would not say that the interior of the TLX feels cheap....I liked the openess of the TLX better than that of the Q50 but I concede here that if I had to rate both interiors, I would give a small nudge to the Q50.
As far as the exterior....in my opinion, this is where I lean quite quite heavily toward the TLX. Will the exterior of the car give more of an upscale image, no, usually its the features and materials that sort makes a car a luxury/non luxury status....at least it did.
Infiniti has struggled with the steer by wire system and has created a bad image for the brand, so much so that its kept me away. I like the Q50's profile and front look but I cannot stand that rear....despite the dual exhaust.
So lets all agree that the TLX and the Q50 are competing in the same segment (except if you consider the I4) so its down to a matter of preference....pick what is better and more important for you, enjoy and lets return to more respectful conversations.
Thanks....
09-12-2014, 03:09 PM
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09-12-2014, 03:38 PM
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...and for the record, there is no doubt that next spring, my car will be:
V6 TLX SH-AWD TECH White with body kit and no accessory wheel!
The countdown has begun (and the bank account will continue to grow until then...)
V6 TLX SH-AWD TECH White with body kit and no accessory wheel!
The countdown has begun (and the bank account will continue to grow until then...)
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09-12-2014, 04:04 PM
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09-12-2014, 04:08 PM
#51
Suzuka Master
Sorry for chiming in on this topic as well.
I did drop my TL at the dealer yesterday and test drove the TLX and also stopped by to look at the Infiniti Q50. I am FAR from being an expert on car and my opinion is only that.
As jjsC5 has stated, in my opinion, both vehicles offer positives and negatives. There is no doubt that there is the perception that Infiniti is a more upscale division because of the rear wheel drive plateform versus the FWD of Acura. So right off the bat, Acura has an uphill battle to climb.
I have sat in both vehicle and to an extent, I will say that there are some aspect of the Infiniti interior that I like better than that of the TLX. The seats in the TLX aren't as nice as those in the Q50 in my opinion but if they'd kept the exact same seats at the TL, then I'd have a different story. I like the instrument cluster of the TLX better while to an extent, the centre stack of the Q50 was nice.
I would not say that the interior of the TLX feels cheap....I liked the openess of the TLX better than that of the Q50 but I concede here that if I had to rate both interiors, I would give a small nudge to the Q50.
As far as the exterior....in my opinion, this is where I lean quite quite heavily toward the TLX. Will the exterior of the car give more of an upscale image, no, usually its the features and materials that sort makes a car a luxury/non luxury status....at least it did.
Infiniti has struggled with the steer by wire system and has created a bad image for the brand, so much so that its kept me away. I like the Q50's profile and front look but I cannot stand that rear....despite the dual exhaust.
So lets all agree that the TLX and the Q50 are competing in the same segment (except if you consider the I4) so its down to a matter of preference....pick what is better and more important for you, enjoy and lets return to more respectful conversations.
Thanks....
I did drop my TL at the dealer yesterday and test drove the TLX and also stopped by to look at the Infiniti Q50. I am FAR from being an expert on car and my opinion is only that.
As jjsC5 has stated, in my opinion, both vehicles offer positives and negatives. There is no doubt that there is the perception that Infiniti is a more upscale division because of the rear wheel drive plateform versus the FWD of Acura. So right off the bat, Acura has an uphill battle to climb.
I have sat in both vehicle and to an extent, I will say that there are some aspect of the Infiniti interior that I like better than that of the TLX. The seats in the TLX aren't as nice as those in the Q50 in my opinion but if they'd kept the exact same seats at the TL, then I'd have a different story. I like the instrument cluster of the TLX better while to an extent, the centre stack of the Q50 was nice.
I would not say that the interior of the TLX feels cheap....I liked the openess of the TLX better than that of the Q50 but I concede here that if I had to rate both interiors, I would give a small nudge to the Q50.
As far as the exterior....in my opinion, this is where I lean quite quite heavily toward the TLX. Will the exterior of the car give more of an upscale image, no, usually its the features and materials that sort makes a car a luxury/non luxury status....at least it did.
Infiniti has struggled with the steer by wire system and has created a bad image for the brand, so much so that its kept me away. I like the Q50's profile and front look but I cannot stand that rear....despite the dual exhaust.
So lets all agree that the TLX and the Q50 are competing in the same segment (except if you consider the I4) so its down to a matter of preference....pick what is better and more important for you, enjoy and lets return to more respectful conversations.
Thanks....
I am over it now
09-12-2014, 05:09 PM
#53
I will take the open minded approach and ask what about the Q50 makes it a class above. I've tried to think it through and I come up with pluses and minuses on both cars. Serious question, what is your reason for feeling that way. If it's just price I don't agree because that is a feature, not a benefit.
You can sit in the car and immediately feeling a plushier vehicle....I have no brand allegiances (I drive an Acura after all and I never had an Acura before) so I call spade a spade the way I see it...and I do not think any of the magazines consider the TLX a fully fledged Q50 (or IS or 3 Series competitor)
Go and drive a V6 TLX and immediately after drive a Q50S and everything will probably be easy to see it.
The market segmentation put the 2 cars on a different level not me....
jjsC5...it's interesting that couple of years ago you could categorically state that the 5 Series was clearly and unequivocally a superior vehicle to the TL but you seem not able to see the clear difference between the TLX and the Q50.
After all I voted with my hard earned dollars and it is my opinion..the 2 cars are on a different level (with overlapping in the middle) and the market largely agrees.
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09-12-2014, 05:12 PM
#54
The Q50 (and the Lexus IS350) are positioned higher than the TLX and, again, that is a fact any way you want to slice it. The market and pricing has established that...again there is overlapping in the middle but that's it.
09-12-2014, 05:26 PM
#55
Suzuka Master
You get worked up for very little my friend...I do not get upset that my car is not int he same segment as the hideous Porsche Panamera...it's life....
The Q50 (and the Lexus IS350) are positioned higher than the TLX and, again, that is a fact any way you want to slice it. The market and pricing has established that...again there is overlapping in the middle but that's it.
The Q50 (and the Lexus IS350) are positioned higher than the TLX and, again, that is a fact any way you want to slice it. The market and pricing has established that...again there is overlapping in the middle but that's it.
I have no idea how you perceive the car one way and the market sees it another way.
I guess we agree to disagree
That all said, the Q50S is a great looking car and I know you will be happy with it a long time. The red you chose is beautiful. I have seen that color up close and it jumps
09-12-2014, 06:59 PM
#57
Three Wheelin'
Why a class above?? Engine options, fit and finish, suspension solutions, more upscale interiors (just touch the leaher on the Q50 and in the TLX and you will immediately see what I mean), pricing...and yes, price reflects contents (most of the time not always)
You can sit in the car and immediately feeling a plushier vehicle....I have no brand allegiances (I drive an Acura after all and I never had an Acura before) so I call spade a spade the way I see it...and I do not think any of the magazines consider the TLX a fully fledged Q50 (or IS or 3 Series competitor)
Go and drive a V6 TLX and immediately after drive a Q50S and everything will probably be easy to see it.
The market segmentation put the 2 cars on a different level not me....
jjsC5...it's interesting that couple of years ago you could categorically state that the 5 Series was clearly and unequivocally a superior vehicle to the TL but you seem not able to see the clear difference between the TLX and the Q50.
After all I voted with my hard earned dollars and it is my opinion..the 2 cars are on a different level (with overlapping in the middle) and the market largely agrees.
You can sit in the car and immediately feeling a plushier vehicle....I have no brand allegiances (I drive an Acura after all and I never had an Acura before) so I call spade a spade the way I see it...and I do not think any of the magazines consider the TLX a fully fledged Q50 (or IS or 3 Series competitor)
Go and drive a V6 TLX and immediately after drive a Q50S and everything will probably be easy to see it.
The market segmentation put the 2 cars on a different level not me....
jjsC5...it's interesting that couple of years ago you could categorically state that the 5 Series was clearly and unequivocally a superior vehicle to the TL but you seem not able to see the clear difference between the TLX and the Q50.
After all I voted with my hard earned dollars and it is my opinion..the 2 cars are on a different level (with overlapping in the middle) and the market largely agrees.
A couple of things I personally cannot get passed in the Q50 is that they do not offer ventilated seats, and no true DVD surround sound system. I've had a car with Bose "Cenerpoint" which I believe is the upscale Q50 system now. I admit I have not listened to the Q50 sound system, but if it's not true DVD surround sound I have a problem because I listen to them in my cars.
I have sat in a Q50 a couple of times. I think it's okay, but I'm not blown away by it. BTW, I have owned three Infinitis so I'm not biased, and I actually am waiting for the updated Q70 to hit dealers as I will consider that car.
Thanks again - I think your response was appropriate. BTW, I too think the Q50 is a damn good looking car - one of the best looking sedans of any class, and I would seriously consider one with Ventilated seats. But that is a total deal breaker for me.
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jjsC5 (09-12-2014)
09-12-2014, 09:52 PM
#59
Thread jacked, this is suppose to be 4G TL/TLX. There are a lot of people clicking-in to this thread who can careless about Q50! I am not saying Q50 is inferior or superior, just please keep in mind that many here ruled out the G3x/Q50 for one reason or another ;-)
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BookemDanole (09-16-2014)
09-12-2014, 10:04 PM
#60
Drifting
Sorry for chiming in on this topic as well.
I did drop my TL at the dealer yesterday and test drove the TLX and also stopped by to look at the Infiniti Q50. I am FAR from being an expert on car and my opinion is only that.
As jjsC5 has stated, in my opinion, both vehicles offer positives and negatives. There is no doubt that there is the perception that Infiniti is a more upscale division because of the rear wheel drive plateform versus the FWD of Acura. So right off the bat, Acura has an uphill battle to climb.
I have sat in both vehicle and to an extent, I will say that there are some aspect of the Infiniti interior that I like better than that of the TLX. The seats in the TLX aren't as nice as those in the Q50 in my opinion but if they'd kept the exact same seats at the TL, then I'd have a different story. I like the instrument cluster of the TLX better while to an extent, the centre stack of the Q50 was nice.
I would not say that the interior of the TLX feels cheap....I liked the openess of the TLX better than that of the Q50 but I concede here that if I had to rate both interiors, I would give a small nudge to the Q50.
As far as the exterior....in my opinion, this is where I lean quite quite heavily toward the TLX. Will the exterior of the car give more of an upscale image, no, usually its the features and materials that sort makes a car a luxury/non luxury status....at least it did.
Infiniti has struggled with the steer by wire system and has created a bad image for the brand, so much so that its kept me away. I like the Q50's profile and front look but I cannot stand that rear....despite the dual exhaust.
So lets all agree that the TLX and the Q50 are competing in the same segment (except if you consider the I4) so its down to a matter of preference....pick what is better and more important for you, enjoy and lets return to more respectful conversations.
Thanks....
I did drop my TL at the dealer yesterday and test drove the TLX and also stopped by to look at the Infiniti Q50. I am FAR from being an expert on car and my opinion is only that.
As jjsC5 has stated, in my opinion, both vehicles offer positives and negatives. There is no doubt that there is the perception that Infiniti is a more upscale division because of the rear wheel drive plateform versus the FWD of Acura. So right off the bat, Acura has an uphill battle to climb.
I have sat in both vehicle and to an extent, I will say that there are some aspect of the Infiniti interior that I like better than that of the TLX. The seats in the TLX aren't as nice as those in the Q50 in my opinion but if they'd kept the exact same seats at the TL, then I'd have a different story. I like the instrument cluster of the TLX better while to an extent, the centre stack of the Q50 was nice.
I would not say that the interior of the TLX feels cheap....I liked the openess of the TLX better than that of the Q50 but I concede here that if I had to rate both interiors, I would give a small nudge to the Q50.
As far as the exterior....in my opinion, this is where I lean quite quite heavily toward the TLX. Will the exterior of the car give more of an upscale image, no, usually its the features and materials that sort makes a car a luxury/non luxury status....at least it did.
Infiniti has struggled with the steer by wire system and has created a bad image for the brand, so much so that its kept me away. I like the Q50's profile and front look but I cannot stand that rear....despite the dual exhaust.
So lets all agree that the TLX and the Q50 are competing in the same segment (except if you consider the I4) so its down to a matter of preference....pick what is better and more important for you, enjoy and lets return to more respectful conversations.
Thanks....
I also wanted to add that the music system is extremely important to me. The ELS system is far superior than the Bose system in the Q50. To me, this was actually a deal breaker, let alone the steer by wire system that I really did not feel safe with during the test drive....
09-13-2014, 12:18 AM
#61
That is a good response. The statement about me seeing the difference in the BMW as apposed to the Q50 is a bit out of context. I have not come out and said whether I think the Q50 is not a step ahead, but I admit I have probably implied it.
A couple of things I personally cannot get passed in the Q50 is that they do not offer ventilated seats, and no true DVD surround sound system. I've had a car with Bose "Cenerpoint" which I believe is the upscale Q50 system now. I admit I have not listened to the Q50 sound system, but if it's not true DVD surround sound I have a problem because I listen to them in my cars.
I have sat in a Q50 a couple of times. I think it's okay, but I'm not blown away by it. BTW, I have owned three Infinitis so I'm not biased, and I actually am waiting for the updated Q70 to hit dealers as I will consider that car.
Thanks again - I think your response was appropriate. BTW, I too think the Q50 is a damn good looking car - one of the best looking sedans of any class, and I would seriously consider one with Ventilated seats. But that is a total deal breaker for me.
A couple of things I personally cannot get passed in the Q50 is that they do not offer ventilated seats, and no true DVD surround sound system. I've had a car with Bose "Cenerpoint" which I believe is the upscale Q50 system now. I admit I have not listened to the Q50 sound system, but if it's not true DVD surround sound I have a problem because I listen to them in my cars.
I have sat in a Q50 a couple of times. I think it's okay, but I'm not blown away by it. BTW, I have owned three Infinitis so I'm not biased, and I actually am waiting for the updated Q70 to hit dealers as I will consider that car.
Thanks again - I think your response was appropriate. BTW, I too think the Q50 is a damn good looking car - one of the best looking sedans of any class, and I would seriously consider one with Ventilated seats. But that is a total deal breaker for me.
Another serious Q50 shortcoming is the lack of adjustable suspensions even in the Sport rim, it should be fixed in the restyling due in 2015.
In our Q50 Sport we got the premium sound system called the Bose "Studio on wheels", it is a good system, very clear but the TL ELS is clearly superior.
I heard he base stereo of the Q50 is a joke.
I absolutely love the Q70 but i was to big for my wife.
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jjsC5 (09-13-2014)
09-13-2014, 05:16 AM
#62
Im going to check out the TLX this weekend. If the interior is just like the new MDX (which I had for a weekend) I know I wont like it. I much prefer the 2G MDX interior over the 3G.
Although the 3G did drive/shift smoother.
Although the 3G did drive/shift smoother.
09-15-2014, 12:23 PM
#63
I totally agree....it is hard to believe that some people can actually think the TLX is a step up from the TL....it isn't and it is immediately clear that it's the other way around...from the get go, you need less than a minute to immediately see that is not the case. The 4G TL has a level of "plushiness" (pass me the word) and road presence that it's simply not there with the TLX. Just look at the seats for example.
Interior space....stats may say otherwise but just sit at the back of a TLX and then on the TL and tell me which is roomier....and even in the front seats you feel some difference.
The TLX is filling both the TSX and the TL shoes so just only from a logical point of view it's obvious that the car is positioned lower. No need to take it personal, this is the way Acura has decided to slot the car in the market and it may actually increase sales.
The comparison about the amount of tech it's nonsense...it's like saying that a 10 years old 7 Series it's a step down from the TLX because it does not have all the latest electronic nannies....
I would love to see in few years some statistics about how many 4G owners actually traded their ride for the TLX....I suspect not a huge number.
Interior space....stats may say otherwise but just sit at the back of a TLX and then on the TL and tell me which is roomier....and even in the front seats you feel some difference.
The TLX is filling both the TSX and the TL shoes so just only from a logical point of view it's obvious that the car is positioned lower. No need to take it personal, this is the way Acura has decided to slot the car in the market and it may actually increase sales.
The comparison about the amount of tech it's nonsense...it's like saying that a 10 years old 7 Series it's a step down from the TLX because it does not have all the latest electronic nannies....
I would love to see in few years some statistics about how many 4G owners actually traded their ride for the TLX....I suspect not a huge number.
Though, I do prefer the exterior look of the TLX than the 4G TL. More modern looking.
Seat support is very good on 4G.
Again, this 3.7 engine is a jewel.
Exhaust note on 4G always make me smile, so if everyone is saying that TLX is very quite inside then
.Im still hoping that in the next couple of years there will be a TLX SPORT with a 3.7 engine
09-15-2014, 09:59 PM
#64
Build quality on the 3g tl?? Non existent...my leather have to replaced at 20k. Dash at 60k..all engines mount gone bad before 100k.blue tooth dead. Rack steering ..I can go on for hour
All windows trim popping like pop corn...he plastic on the side where the seat belt also pop
Tranny is roughh....all major items
All windows trim popping like pop corn...he plastic on the side where the seat belt also pop
Tranny is roughh....all major items
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09-16-2014, 06:29 AM
#65
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Build quality on the 3g tl?? Non existent...my leather have to replaced at 20k. Dash at 60k..all engines mount gone bad before 100k.blue tooth dead. Rack steering ..I can go on for hour
All windows trim popping like pop corn...he plastic on the side where the seat belt also pop
Tranny is roughh....all major items
All windows trim popping like pop corn...he plastic on the side where the seat belt also pop
Tranny is roughh....all major items
09-16-2014, 06:51 AM
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Build quality on the 3g tl?? Non existent...my leather have to replaced at 20k. Dash at 60k..all engines mount gone bad before 100k.blue tooth dead. Rack steering ..I can go on for hour
All windows trim popping like pop corn...he plastic on the side where the seat belt also pop
Tranny is roughh....all major items
All windows trim popping like pop corn...he plastic on the side where the seat belt also pop
Tranny is roughh....all major items
I've had a 5AT for 10 years, 228K trouble-free miles. I've never had a single rattle. I get 31mpg on the highway. Over the years I've changed the tires, fluids, windshield wiper blades, air filters, timing belt and that's it. I have the original brakes, and everything else is original. I hope my new TLX serves me just as well!
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09-16-2014, 08:33 AM
#67
Most of my issues are more or less nuisance rather than show stopper. The car never leave me tranded so that is why i am reconsider tlx
But the 3rd generation TL was not what I consider build quality
We have 2 -04 TL in the family and one holding up better than the other
I was so pissed at the cracked dash board around 60-70k but now that I see other car such as lexus rx and sienna also have a cracked dash it ease my piss off
My hood had to be repainted by dealer because bad oem paint that blotchy but only show up under certain lighting
I love my 3G but I certainly wouldn't say that it was well built or well engineered
But the 3rd generation TL was not what I consider build quality
We have 2 -04 TL in the family and one holding up better than the other
I was so pissed at the cracked dash board around 60-70k but now that I see other car such as lexus rx and sienna also have a cracked dash it ease my piss off
My hood had to be repainted by dealer because bad oem paint that blotchy but only show up under certain lighting
I love my 3G but I certainly wouldn't say that it was well built or well engineered
09-16-2014, 08:38 AM
#68
Three Wheelin'
You have a gem them, keep it as long as possible!
Could it be that most/all of your driving is on good roads? Bad roads have the effect of jerking the car around to the point where connectors loosen, tight surfaces rub together and slacken, all resulting in squeaks and rattles. I even had to regularly lubricate the seals of my sunroof as they contact with the bodywork created a squeak that sounded like it was coming from some other location.
Could it be that most/all of your driving is on good roads? Bad roads have the effect of jerking the car around to the point where connectors loosen, tight surfaces rub together and slacken, all resulting in squeaks and rattles. I even had to regularly lubricate the seals of my sunroof as they contact with the bodywork created a squeak that sounded like it was coming from some other location.
09-16-2014, 10:07 AM
#69
Build quality on the 3g tl?? Non existent...my leather have to replaced at 20k. Dash at 60k..all engines mount gone bad before 100k.blue tooth dead. Rack steering ..I can go on for hour
All windows trim popping like pop corn...he plastic on the side where the seat belt also pop
Tranny is roughh....all major items
All windows trim popping like pop corn...he plastic on the side where the seat belt also pop
Tranny is roughh....all major items
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09-16-2014, 10:09 AM
#70
Instructor
Build quality on the 3g tl?? Non existent...my leather have to replaced at 20k. Dash at 60k..all engines mount gone bad before 100k.blue tooth dead. Rack steering ..I can go on for hour
All windows trim popping like pop corn...he plastic on the side where the seat belt also pop
Tranny is roughh....all major items
All windows trim popping like pop corn...he plastic on the side where the seat belt also pop
Tranny is roughh....all major items
Oh, and my tranny was still smooth as silk before my new TLX.
09-16-2014, 11:01 AM
#71
Sorry to hijack this thread, but I have to defend my 3G TL.
I've had a 5AT for 10 years, 228K trouble-free miles. I've never had a single rattle. I get 31mpg on the highway. Over the years I've changed the tires, fluids, windshield wiper blades, air filters, timing belt and that's it. I have the original brakes, and everything else is original. I hope my new TLX serves me just as well!
I've had a 5AT for 10 years, 228K trouble-free miles. I've never had a single rattle. I get 31mpg on the highway. Over the years I've changed the tires, fluids, windshield wiper blades, air filters, timing belt and that's it. I have the original brakes, and everything else is original. I hope my new TLX serves me just as well!
BUT I find it hard to believe you haven't had a single rattle...
09-16-2014, 11:50 AM
#72
Instructor
This is what it takes to justify your purchase? Now that is very cool. I am very impressed! I have driven the Q50S several times. My GF was interested in one and we went back a few times. She bought an IS350 instead. In the end, the Q50 just didn't impress like you say.
My feelings aren't hurt, just calling you out on your BS statements.
The Eau Rouge, a $100K+ car is your gauge? Ok dude.
I have driven the Q50S several times. My GF was interested in one and we went back a few times. She bought an IS350 instead. In the end, the Q50 just didn't impress like you say. My feelings aren't hurt, just calling you out on your BS statements.
The Eau Rouge, a $100K+ car is your gauge? Ok dude.
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09-16-2014, 01:17 PM
#76
Racer
How can the TLX not be a step up when USDYEN is strengthening? In layman's term, Honda is making more money when they convert the almighty USD back to YEN.
Historical exchange rates from 1953 with graph and charts
There's also competition (even in Hyundai/Kia) that is upping up the ante/stakes.
Historical exchange rates from 1953 with graph and charts
There's also competition (even in Hyundai/Kia) that is upping up the ante/stakes.
09-16-2014, 02:19 PM
#77
09-18-2014, 07:41 AM
#78
I had the chance to take a V6 P-AWS tech out for a test drive recently. Here are my thoughts:
Not that any of this bothers me, au contraire, it feels more like an Audi than the 4G that felt more like a Caddy (with apologies to the Caddy people out there).
Anxiously awaiting for the SH-AWD version since the P-AWS doesn't feel like AWD even tho it tries to!
- I believe the comparison with the TL seats has been made before. Let me add my 2 cents to that: There is no way you can throw this thing in a corner really fast (like a 4G SH-AWD) without your shoulders getting out of the seat left or right. The 4G TL has much better shoulder support. I am not saying the TLX seats are not comfy, but the 4G TL's are even more sporty.
- Also for some reason the seat belts didn't tighten when I got very spirited on a corner... even tho on the 4G they do. Perhaps the threshold is higher than what I attempted?
- No grab handle inside on the door. Again, it has been mentioned here before. It puzzles me that even tho there is tons of space for that they decided to get rid of it. It would be nice to have it back! Habits I like to keep!
- Wish the gear indicator on the dash was displayed in auto mode. Accelerating on the on-ramp sometimes is unpredictable. It is smooth enough going down a few gears and then back up, but it takes a while to get enough experience to know how far down you have to press the gas pedal.
- Positives coming from a 4G TL (and also former 3G TL) owner: its so quiet in there! Perfect long haul car.
Not that any of this bothers me, au contraire, it feels more like an Audi than the 4G that felt more like a Caddy (with apologies to the Caddy people out there
). Anxiously awaiting for the SH-AWD version since the P-AWS doesn't feel like AWD even tho it tries to!
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