2019 Car Shows: 2020 Acura TLX
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Problem with the current 9 speed is the compromises made trying to stuff too many gears in a small case. The 9 speed is about 2/3rds the size of the 8 speed.
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I agree a six speed would probably be ideal. If the type S comes out with the same trans/throttle response issues as the TLX/RDX transmission I will either opt for a manual if available or probably just change brands after many years of Acuras.
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I recently tested a Mazda 6 Grand Touring, and I was also impressed. It didn't handle quite as well as my 2010 TSX, but it would be an upgrade in many respects and the handling would undoubtedly improve with better tires. For the price, the Grand Touring trim is astoundingly well-equipped. It's one of the best automotive deals I've ever seen.
Yet another example of how competitive the dwindling premium/luxury sedan class has become.
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I've driven the 2019 RDX. The tranny shifts more smoothly than an ZF9, pre or post 2018 (I've driven both). I still don't like the idea of too many gears, but the Feds have spoken about CAFE, and that's what these multi-cog trannys are all about. That said, I think we'll be fine with the 10-speed in the next TLX.
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I've driven the 2019 RDX. The tranny shifts more smoothly than an ZF9, pre or post 2018 (I've driven both). I still don't like the idea of too many gears, but the Feds have spoken about CAFE, and that's what these multi-cog trannys are all about. That said, I think we'll be fine with the 10-speed in the next TLX.
#47
There are four lights!
I think they already do that with the ZF9 if you put the TLX in Sport+. Someone correct if I'm wrong. I'll have to try again, since I almost never use that mode.
#48
I believe on the ZF9 it blocks out the top 3 gears in sport plus. Sport still uses all 9. Sport Plus does give you better control of the paddle shifters for those who like to use them. I also don't use it as it's not a practical mode to drive in for long due to the engine always constantly over-reving when the car is not under any load. Solves the occasional problem of not having to search for the right lower gear since it's always in a lower gear to begin with. I imagine the mpg would drop by 20 to 25% in plus mode over sport due to the high revs and the VCM probably getting disabled as well.
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I believe on the ZF9 it blocks out the top 3 gears in sport plus. Sport still uses all 9. Sport Plus does give you better control of the paddle shifters for those who like to use them. I also don't use it as it's not a practical mode to drive in for long due to the engine always constantly over-reving when the car is not under any load. Solves the occasional problem of not having to search for the right lower gear since it's always in a lower gear to begin with. I imagine the mpg would drop by 20 to 25% in plus mode over sport due to the high revs and the VCM probably getting disabled as well.
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I've driven the 2019 RDX. The tranny shifts more smoothly than an ZF9, pre or post 2018 (I've driven both). I still don't like the idea of too many gears, but the Feds have spoken about CAFE, and that's what these multi-cog trannys are all about. That said, I think we'll be fine with the 10-speed in the next TLX.
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That's not enough. Instead of competing with germans, compete with your own. The Q50/60 offers 400hp, the RLX not even in that range. A type-s TLX should have more horses than the RLX. The Lexus GS-F offers 467HP. Now I understand TLX not in competition with those, but my point is outside of the NSX only rich people can afford Acura for some reason is under-powering the rest of their car lineup in comparison to lexus and infiniti, with only 3 cars. Probably 2 cause I'm being told the RLX will be discontinued. (Exclude the NSX)
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2019 C43 will already have 385hp. Acura needs to step up while they still can since this Type S is considered a 2020 model.
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That's not enough. Instead of competing with germans, compete with your own. The Q50/60 offers 400hp, the RLX not even in that range. A type-s TLX should have more horses than the RLX. The Lexus GS-F offers 467HP. Now I understand TLX not in competition with those, but my point is outside of the NSX only rich people can afford Acura for some reason is under-powering the rest of their car lineup in comparison to lexus and infiniti, with only 3 cars. Probably 2 cause I'm being told the RLX will be discontinued. (Exclude the NSX)
Car & Driver says about the 467BHP GS-F:
"What’s a nearly $90,000 hot-rod sedan doing........besides getting its doors blown off by the competition in straight-line acceleration?"
Note: Its slower then the 340i 320BHP-$46/58K - S4 354BHP-$52/59K - C43AMG 362BHP-$52/66K all under 400BHP. Fits my comment about claiming 400/400+BHP then not performing at the expected level.
The TLX would also, depending on what the marketing dweebs do, get some slack as its top price will be under or equal to the others base price.
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What everyone should also consider- as awesome as it is to have more and more power, for a daily driver, you still need to be cognisant of fuel economy.
I'm not a stickler for fuel economy, but at the same time, when it comes to something like the CTS-V, it does start to matter. Premium fuel was hitting $1.55/L here, not too long ago. That thing would cost me $100 to fill, every 4 days.
How many people would be cool with say 16-17mpg, but have ~400hp?
I'm not a stickler for fuel economy, but at the same time, when it comes to something like the CTS-V, it does start to matter. Premium fuel was hitting $1.55/L here, not too long ago. That thing would cost me $100 to fill, every 4 days.
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What everyone should also consider- as awesome as it is to have more and more power, for a daily driver, you still need to be cognisant of fuel economy.
I'm not a stickler for fuel economy, but at the same time, when it comes to something like the CTS-V, it does start to matter. Premium fuel was hitting $1.55/L here, not too long ago. That thing would cost me $100 to fill, every 4 days.
How many people would be cool with say 16-17mpg, but have ~400hp?
I'm not a stickler for fuel economy, but at the same time, when it comes to something like the CTS-V, it does start to matter. Premium fuel was hitting $1.55/L here, not too long ago. That thing would cost me $100 to fill, every 4 days.
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What everyone should also consider- as awesome as it is to have more and more power, for a daily driver, you still need to be cognisant of fuel economy.
I'm not a stickler for fuel economy, but at the same time, when it comes to something like the CTS-V, it does start to matter. Premium fuel was hitting $1.55/L here, not too long ago. That thing would cost me $100 to fill, every 4 days.
How many people would be cool with say 16-17mpg, but have ~400hp?
I'm not a stickler for fuel economy, but at the same time, when it comes to something like the CTS-V, it does start to matter. Premium fuel was hitting $1.55/L here, not too long ago. That thing would cost me $100 to fill, every 4 days.
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Not responsibly (wife not in the car) driving in Sport+ quickly in local traffic. 19MPG
Responsibly (wife in the car) driving in Comfort with relaxed acceleration in local traffic. 22MPG
Common sense over the road in comfort 31MPG @ 72MPH average speed.
Not as good as the C&D test indicated but over the road matches the EPA 32 MPG number closely and the EPA City 25MPG when in Comfort relaxed driving. So I would suggest driven responsibly a near or at 400BHP TLX would not break the bank with gas prices. That said most people buying a performance version of any car are not fuel economy sensitive buyers.
Only looser I have in general use for fuel economy is the Expedition but it runs on 87 @ $2.18 Costco as recommended by FORD.
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If you're not worried about fuel economy for a daily driver I would say that you aren't very good with your money. Also, I happen to care about the environment as well. Manufacturers would be very wise to balance performance and fuel economy and what would be wrong with that?
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If you're not worried about fuel economy for a daily driver I would say that you aren't very good with your money. Also, I happen to care about the environment as well. Manufacturers would be very wise to balance performance and fuel economy and what would be wrong with that?
Back to the what manufactures will do. We are all trying to guess what Acura will do with the V6 DOHC3T. DOHC3T can run easy out to 450/475 BHP but the trade-off is fuel economy, no free lunch. My bet is Acura will be a sub 400BHP don't see the need to go toe to toe horsepower wise with the Japanese & Koreans in a car that like the Germans that runs 3,505 to 3,765 lbs. I would go with a bit more high strength steel & alloy parts to knock 100lbs or so off the weight before pushing the engine outside a typical TLX buyer fuel economy zone.
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There are four lights!
The Jan 2019 North American International Auto Show in Michigan would be the next big one. I don't think anyone was expecting the new TLX to debut at the LA show. The RDX prototype was shown at the NAIAS, so maybe a TLX prototype will be shown there. If not, maybe the New York one in April.
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Would take a WAG & say NY, world media capital, to get maximum exposure. Would also drop in a teaser in Michigan to build anticipation, but thats just me. Don't think there are any other US based major shows between then & sales launch.
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I’ll be at NAIAS in Detroit next month, so if there’s TLX action, I’ll be on top of it. At least when not drooling over the Thermal Orange NC1 that’s making the rounds....
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I’m a blue person, myself, but am not paying $6k for that choice. At least Curva Red is a no cost option.
But back on topic, if the Type S is any good, and comes in blue, I’ll be happy. 18 months left on lease, so that’s a lot of time for me to decide. If there’s a manual option, that will merit an immediate deposit on my part.
But back on topic, if the Type S is any good, and comes in blue, I’ll be happy. 18 months left on lease, so that’s a lot of time for me to decide. If there’s a manual option, that will merit an immediate deposit on my part.
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I’m a blue person, myself, but am not paying $6k for that choice. At least Curva Red is a no cost option.
But back on topic, if the Type S is any good, and comes in blue, I’ll be happy. 18 months left on lease, so that’s a lot of time for me to decide. If there’s a manual option, that will merit an immediate deposit on my part.
But back on topic, if the Type S is any good, and comes in blue, I’ll be happy. 18 months left on lease, so that’s a lot of time for me to decide. If there’s a manual option, that will merit an immediate deposit on my part.
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I just want Acura to come out and show us something. I don't mind the A-Spec TLX at all and if it did come in silver, i most likely would have one. The transmission and vibrations do scare me though. Bought my 06 ASM TL new and still have it, hoping this reveal makes me want to get it.
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Looks like TLX will be revealed soon
https://www2.motorauthority.com/news...eek-in-reverse
cant wait!!!
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cant wait!!!
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Without any definitive statements that a 2nd gen TLX is being released for the 2020 model year do you think that it will indicate that 2021 model year will be the full model update? I would think it would need to be in the next 2 to 3 months. The few test mule pictures are clearly the current TLX body. Then again the RDX update body wise was just an incremental styling update exterior wise with more interior changes and motor change but I may be wrong on that. The TL full updates from 2nd, 3rd and 4th gen where all pretty significant style changes as the TLX was to the 4th gen TL.
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Hell yeah. My salesman lied to me and im glad lol. He told me the type S will be here in 2021. 2019 is looking good!
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Looks like TLX will be revealed soon ![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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I still don't get from all the mule shots that there is going to be a 2nd gen TLX out in 2020. Not one prototype picture of anything but the current TLX with some cut up mods. The body is identical even though it has the camo on it. A new TLX would most likely be on the newest gen honda accord platform. I would be happy to see the current model get a type S with the turbo engine and better trans, real quad exhuast (no piping in) and big brake package. That would be enough for me to go up to it. Overall, many on here want at type S badly but we are realistically in the smaller segment of buyers. As great as the 3rd gen type S was with all it had the lower trim/performance models were and still are the bread and butter in sales.
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Temple of VTec has been awfully quiet for there to be a 2020 TLX. Maybe a neat concept?
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I still don't get from all the mule shots that there is going to be a 2nd gen TLX out in 2020. Not one prototype picture of anything but the current TLX with some cut up mods. The body is identical even though it has the camo on it. A new TLX would most likely be on the newest gen honda accord platform. I would be happy to see the current model get a type S with the turbo engine and better trans, real quad exhuast (no piping in) and big brake package. That would be enough for me to go up to it. Overall, many on here want at type S badly but we are realistically in the smaller segment of buyers. As great as the 3rd gen type S was with all it had the lower trim/performance models were and still are the bread and butter in sales.
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https://www.carscoops.com/2018/12/20...cedes-porsche/
Looks like it'll be at NY. It's definitely redesigned for 2020 with a debut of next year .
Looks like it'll be at NY. It's definitely redesigned for 2020 with a debut of next year .
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