Acurafiend

New Pics, Specs, and features!!!

Interesting finds....Lane Keeping Assist is on the Tech Package. There is a new Cross Traffic Monitor and Road Keeping Assist feature as well. Gas mileage looks good. Its peculiar to me that there is more than 1 cubic foot more room in the trunk with the Advanced Packages...where did that come from?

Check it out:

http://www.tlxthrill.com

Mr. Airport

Curious to know then, if there is no "T" or "A" alongside a feature, does that mean it comes standard?

SSFTSX

Trunk size and rear leg size same as TSX?. it seems these are not official specification but combination of known and unknown data from Accord/TL/TSX.

mondster

Less exterior selection for advance trim.... weird.

Acurafiend

This was released to us by Acura on Thursday. It is their webpage.

Acurafiend

An open radial means that the feature is standard on the model. A small closed radial means it is unavailable.

Acurafiend

It is curious about the legroom considering the wheel base is the same as the current TL.

SSFTSX

I don't see any specification. I highly doubt it has TSX rear legroom. or turning radius so close to RLX which uses 245/19 size rims as standard on longer wheel base.

http://www.hondanews.com/channels/ac...specifications

Acurafiend

http://www.tlxthrill.com/specs.html

SSFTSX

this is some unofficial site with a lot of guess work like 225/55/17 tire on 4cylidner and 225/18 for V6 and the same tire for SH-AWD.

Acurafiend

I am with an Acura Dealer in Kansas City, and this is what Acura gave us as an "E-Brochure" to share with our customers. Some of the points you bring up are interesting for sure, perhaps they are typos on Acura's part, but this is not some unofficial guess work.

winstrolvtec

If the source is official, this car is a lot smaller inside, some compact competitors will be larger inside while maybe even smaller outside. If true, the TLX is a compact now but to be fair, unlike 6 or more years ago, most of these models in that range have grown substantially and even ones yet to come out, so finding a competitive mid size sedan or larger compact at that price range or less is a bit less of an issue today than it was in the past but still fearful that is one core attribute that may alienate some of the base but in terms of mainstream and TSX buyers, that may be a good move nonetheless but personally hope that is wrong.

SH appears to just be simply an AWD version, as good as SH is, still nothing else going on there other than different steering ratios. Even the gearing is listed the same, where most brands will use a shorter final to help make up for the weight and power loss, so unless there is some different software for the SH and this version of SH-AWD really frees up power, this SH is probably slower at all speeds than the FWD.

Hopefully that is done to save room for a sport trim, everything else is in place. New engine, transmissions, lighter, smaller, improved aero, revised SH (jury still out on this though), lower stance, etc, to along with all the added tech and features, aggressive pricing and overall refinements. SH is yet to be showcased on a more aligned and potentially better sport sedan dedicated build like this model could be vs the better of the competition in range, still we know how well the 4G (mostly 6MT) fared regardless. Shame if it did not happen, good for the model and the brand, IMO.

SSFTSX

Also the weight difference between V6 EX-L Accord and EX-L 4 cylinder is about 200 lbs. with identical tires.
for TLX it is 100lbs weight difference between V6 and 4 cylinder. despite V6 having 18 inch rims. how they manage only 100lbs difference?

Also the stabilizer bars are too huge on TLX in rear. size of RLX/TL both for 4cylinder and V6.
rear leg space way smaller than Accord.
This data does not seem right.

MuGen7Modulo

^Obviously bunch of typo on that thrill site.
18x7.5 rim for SHAWD?! hmm

randomRon82

So, apparently someone random made a website and then attached some links to the official Acura website. Very nice job with the graphics... maybe next time they will pay close attention to spelling and grammar... not a credible source.

reddogTL

Bah turning radius still sucks since 3G model. 39.2' for i4, 38.8' for V6, 39.5' for SH-AWD

reddogTL

Trunk cargo volume seems suspect. I'm questioning these numbers as well

Rocketsfan

From a bit of elementary sleuthing, that domain is registered to/by Nicole Neopolitan... who works for Mullen ... which is an ad agency/marketing company that does work for Acura... they apparently did the horse race commercial :


http://www.mullen.com/client/acura/

randomRon82

Interesting!

So here's a portion of the site regarding P-AWS:

"Turning used to be solely the job of the front wheels. The TLX has changed all that with the world's first Precision All-Wheel Steer (P-AWS) system."

But... the RLX first introduced this. ?

And if you don't have the page maximized, the wording doesn't fit on the screen... I wonder if they just weren't ready to release this site to the public yet.

motegi

Finally some technical specs for the 2015 TLX!

2015 TLX
Compared to

2014 TL
Based on numbers it looks like the TLX is somewhat smaller for the passengers than the outgoing TL to the tune of almost 5 cubic feet. Rear seat legroom and front and rear shoulder room appear to have been trimmed the most.

Rocketsfan

I think most of this was in the press releases and Colin kind of confirmed (?) what was in the Advanced that wasn't in the Tech yesterday. I've gotten to the point where I'm just going to wait until the thing is in dealerships -- too much confusing info out there. Acura used to be so simple back when it was "do you want a nav unit or not?" lol.

As for the 1 cubic foot of more room in the Advance package, I recall reading that the Advance package has 2 hidden compartments for additional storage (why it's only in the Advance package, I have no clue). That could account for the extra space.

motegi

Just for completeness sake

2014 TSXSo it would appear that the 2015 TLX interior passenger volume is even under that of the 2014 TSX that it replaces.

Perhaps there is something wrong with these TLX numbers as others have suggested.

Tonyware

Thanks for the link. One of the pictures in the gallery:



...shows a cloudy sky on the NAVI. I wonder if the GPS is connected with the local weather to display appropriate sky texture.

(not a big fan of bird's eye view... makes me look twice.)

a35tl

If these figures are official, I'm disappointed with the interior room. I owned a '10 TSX V6 before I got my '12 TL Advance and the TSX had considerably less room than my TL. I like the room I have in the TL and don't want less.

jwong77

If true, that's a bit disappointing

Rocketsfan

Which figure(s) are you worried about? From the looks of it, most all of the figures are about the same or better in the TLX except possibly rear seating? I only casually glanced at the numbers, so I may have missed something obvious.


*EDIT* : Nevermind, I see what you may be worried about.

jshaw

They could be measured under different SAE specs. For example, the 42"+ of headroom is very, very large.

motegi

Most of the individual numbers are very close. But a fraction of an inch here and there apparently makes a difference.

I thought that the TLX would slot right in between the TL and TSX in terms of size as clearly this was their target with the pricing as well.

I think that this new car will be an upgrade for existing TSX owners in terms of features/quality/value despite the small drop in size. I'm just not sure if it would be as much for current TL owners.

Perhaps they really needed to shrink the TL so that it wouldn't impede the sales of it's sibling, RLX. Especially now that the TLX Advance gets all of the latest active safety features formerly limited to the RLX and MDX.

At 106.5/107.6 cu ft EPA total interior volume for the 2015 TLX it now falls below the 110 cu ft lower limit of the EPA "Midsize car" classification. So technically the TLX is a "Compact car".

Now if an Acura customer wants a midsize car they will need to move up to the RLX.

jshaw

Nah, I was thinking of this:

The outgoing TL is only rated at 38.4" of headroom. The TLX, according to tlxthrills, is rated at 42.6." To suddenly gain 4"+ of headroom, while losing .2" of exterior height is quite a magic trick, especially as ground clearance hasn't changed by any significant amount.


For reference, even the MDX doesn't have that much headroom. Nor does the RLX. Definitely not the ILX. Not the TSX. Nor the RDX. No Honda, either (not even the Fit).


Which brings back the original point. They are likely measured differently. Interior volume is measured in one strange way [<-- this is a URL, but search for it], and it's not 100% required to always use the latest version.

motegi

Of course others have noticed some fishiness with these "specs" so perhaps there are some typographical errors that we are seeing.

I agree with you that the SAE specs and their interpretation can be confusing but I think that Acura would be well aware of the overall EPA volume rating and how it affects the way that their cars are categorized. Compact/Midsize/Large car differences are clear to most consumers and especially those who have rented cars before. It affects all kinds of vehicle comparisons including the IIHS crash test categorization and rankings such as the JD Power Initial Quality and Vehicle Dependability Survey, Consumer Reports Ratings, and US News and World Report Vehicle Quality listings.

I think Acura wanted the TLX to be categorized as a Compact car both in terms of where it sits in the model line as well as for marketing purposes.

holografique

No. it's just always there as part of the background graphics and has no realtime indication to actual weather conditions. That's how it is in the RLX and MDX.

winstrolvtec

For the way these cars are priced and positioned, it would make sense to have the ILX as the new typical smaller compact, the TLX a larger compact/small or borderline mid, and the RLX your normal mid sized. The problem however, is that the RLX is a full sized sedan and Acura is still marketing the TLX as a mid size competitor (although a lower end to middle version only), even more so now than in the past.

In previous years, they were fine with compact and low end mid competitor and marketed as such, now all the mentioning has been mid sized and so far it appears the car is a compact. Differentiation in the lineup has improved but not any better in terms of aligning for competition and placement at least in marketing material so far and the size of the RLX.

A lot of times the brand measures out one figure and the EPA comes back with another, maybe that is a part of it. Maybe they will change their market position and aim in their literature with the official press release. I was under the impression that they wanted to make plus sized vehicles for each "class" but perhaps the lack of RLX sales has made them shrink the packaging to push some sales up to the larger RLX instead or maybe that was the plan all along and the reason for the FWD RLX in the first place. Maybe it also creates a little less cross shopping with the Accord and some added differentiation there.

I will reserve final judgement until I sit in one but based on these specs, the 5 cu ft has been a deal breaker for me in the past with regards to smaller competitors and is noticeable and not insignificant IMO so I don't know why it would be any less of a disappointment in terms of the TLX, perhaps the price but that's about it. It seems Acura does not in fact have an actual mid sized vehicle in it's line now, again maybe for how the Accord fits in that makes sense and it's better for the brand and others which I applaud but I'm not sure they are necessarily attracting the same core buyers as the 4G or even 3G but what do I know? Maybe for some the size and mid size distinction were not prime selling points.

Rocket_man

I'll wait to see what the official specs out of Acura say. If these are true than the Accord is larger inside than the TLX (Accord has 100.8 Cu ft pf passenger vol) and 15.5 cu ft of trunk space.

But one thing that jumped out at me... even in the Advanced trim the passenger seat is only 4-way adjustable. That means NO HEIGHT adjustment. Not again Acura?!?!?!? WTF? A $42K car with no passenger height adjustment? This can't be correct. Please say is isn't so.

a35tl

Rear seat leg room is my primary concern. Not that I have a lot of rear seat passengers but when I do, I like them to feel comfortable and not cramped.

Rocketsfan

I have to admit, that'd suck for a lot of people. It'd be kind of cheesy to me, but since I'll be the only one in my car most of the time, I wouldn't care as much. Isn't the RDX like this, too? I remember thinking something about its seating was lame, and I think this was it. I believe the ILX is the same way.

Colin

ILX is fully manual, no height at all. TSX no height adjustment, same for TL and RDX. To the best of my recollection, no TL has ever had passenger seat height adjustment.

randomRon82

The 4th gen TL does have automatic height adjustment on the passenger side... mine does.

Colin

Ah, there you go, too many years to remember them all. However, it just goes to show how many times that has been a customer question in the last 5 years. To most, it's not an issue. More frequent questions are "does this have bluetooth?"

bmwaustin

In one of the videos the designer mentions that even though the exterior dimensions shark, they kept the interior same as out going TL. So I am confident that at a min they match the out going TL.

Rocket_man

The TLX will have the same set up as the Accord. It doesn't have passenger height adjustment either. I think on the RDX there are more people complaining because the passenger seating position is a little low wrt the dash.

So maybe this is one way Acura has to keep the pricing down. It is not a deal breaker, but I expected on the top of the line TLX it would have passenger height adjustment. My wife is on the shorter side, hopefully this is not a problem, but a car in this price range should have this feature.... IMO. They can be heated and cooled but the passenger cannot go up?