Brew's 2010 CBP SH-AWD Exterior / Stereo System Progression Thread.
03-11-2010, 06:57 AM
#42
Racer
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If they are the Focal access or polyglass versions, you rear door will need to be cut to fit in the speakers because they are 4". They will not fit into the center unless you play for a custom job. I did not change my center. It was not worth the money.
03-11-2010, 10:33 AM
#43
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Will my JL 3.5 fit in the back doors?
Im wondering did you run amps to the rear door speakers? I guess I should get another 3/400 to run center and rear doors and use my current 3/400 for 6.5 front components ad rear deck?
03-11-2010, 10:40 AM
#44
Racer
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The 3.5" will fit without having to cut the door. I have the JL 900/5 and 600/4 HD amps. The 600/4 powers the front components (Boston Z6) and rear deck components (Boston Z6). The 900/5 powers one JL 12W6V2 sub, the rear doors and the center channel. The gain is all the way down on the center channel so I wont damage it.
03-11-2010, 10:42 AM
#45
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I've heard that there were and still are a few firmware issues with the Bit One, so I'm in a wait and see mode before I make that purchase. My sub channel is running through the sweep. Your plan will work but keep in mind that if you have the Tech package you have 5 channels (front, center, rear door, rear deck, subwoofer). One sweep will handle 2 channels. You will need 2 if you decide to go JL and keep 5.1. So my setup is as follows:
Sweep One - Front and rear deck speakers (full signal out of sweep)
Sweep Two - Rear Door, center and sub (signal not summed but what passes through the factory amp).
Sweep One - Front and rear deck speakers (full signal out of sweep)
Sweep Two - Rear Door, center and sub (signal not summed but what passes through the factory amp).
Why not sum the center, rear door, & sub?
03-11-2010, 10:50 AM
#46
Racer
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You will lose 5.1 and other OEM headunit functionality. Whe you use a summing device it adds signals for separate sources to make one full source. For example, if you wanted a full range from the rear deck, you would have to sum in the sub. Doing this would mean the your subwoofer control on you OEM would also contol the frequency volume on the rear deck.
IMO, if you have an adequate sub and sub amp, there is no need to have a full range signal from your rear speakers.
IMO, if you have an adequate sub and sub amp, there is no need to have a full range signal from your rear speakers.
03-11-2010, 12:44 PM
#47
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You will lose 5.1 and other OEM headunit functionality. Whe you use a summing device it adds signals for separate sources to make one full source. For example, if you wanted a full range from the rear deck, you would have to sum in the sub. Doing this would mean the your subwoofer control on you OEM would also contol the frequency volume on the rear deck.
IMO, if you have an adequate sub and sub amp, there is no need to have a full range signal from your rear speakers.
IMO, if you have an adequate sub and sub amp, there is no need to have a full range signal from your rear speakers.
I have this LC8 it has "internal summing" will this jack up the 5.1 and the control function of the OEM radio?
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03-11-2010, 02:40 PM
#48
Racer
Thread Starter
It should work if connected correctly. The question is whether this converter will allow you to share inputs for the center and sub in one channel. You have 5 channels of which two are not stereo (center and sub). So channel 1 (fronts), channel 2 (rear deck), channel 3 (rear door), channel 4 (sub and center).
03-11-2010, 05:52 PM
#49
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It should work if connected correctly. The question is whether this converter will allow you to share inputs for the center and sub in one channel. You have 5 channels of which two are not stereo (center and sub). So channel 1 (fronts), channel 2 (rear deck), channel 3 (rear door), channel 4 (sub and center).
I think the 4/300 JL might be overkill for my center CH and Rear door speakers maybe I need a smaller Amp?
03-12-2010, 06:30 AM
#50
Racer
Thread Starter
I agree on the line converter. If you already have the JL 300/4, just set the input sensitivity on the amp to high for both sets of channels and turn the gain as low as you can and adjust from there. No need to spend more money on an amp unless you want to.
03-12-2010, 05:22 PM
#51
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I just want to make sure that I have enough power to run the center ch and the rear door speakers and I like my Amps to match I guess I'm weird like that?
04-20-2010, 01:57 PM
#52
Racer
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05-23-2010, 07:37 PM
#53
I finally got all of the answers I needed to move forward with replacing all of the factory speakers and adding aftermarket amps for my 4G AWD TL
. The professional install will start on January 20th and I hope to get my car back by no later than the 26th. Having the entire car dynamatted and adding a custom sub box. The factory head unit and amp will not be touched, so I will keep all of the OEM functionality.
I will post pics of the install and final product once completed.
. The professional install will start on January 20th and I hope to get my car back by no later than the 26th. Having the entire car dynamatted and adding a custom sub box. The factory head unit and amp will not be touched, so I will keep all of the OEM functionality.I will post pics of the install and final product once completed.
PLEASE HELP.
05-23-2010, 09:07 PM
#54
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I had the box made about 2 months ago. I decided to have them face the seat and sealed off from the trunk so no rattles. I had the Focals installed last week along with my 2 jl 4/300 nothing fancy but plenty loud and very clean sounding. I'm real plpeased I just need to have it tweaked a little.
I'll post pix soon.
I'll post pix soon.
05-24-2010, 07:25 AM
#55
Racer
Thread Starter
This looks sick. I have a question. Did you get a chance to look at any details of the removal of the rear seats? I got my system installed the day after i picked up my car (4-20-10) i just did my first interior cleaning and noticed my rear seat cushion is wobbly. after doing a little inspection i noticed the two clips towards the edge (if your sitting they would be by your legs) by the doors were broken. It seems like the jerks had no patience and could not get the seats back on so they just applied pressure (lots of pressure) and just broke through the sliding clip rather then sliding the clip out inserting hook and letting clip back on. what can i do in this situation? does acura make a replacement for the little mechanism that clips the seat cushion hooks back on??
PLEASE HELP.
PLEASE HELP.
05-24-2010, 11:42 AM
#56
Yep. They probably broke it when removing and not when installaing. You need to squeeze both sides of a clip to release the latch. When I was at the dealer once a sales guy couldn't figure it out and just yanked hard. He broke both clips. To his credit though, he said the 3G models are just pull/push, no latch.
06-01-2010, 10:21 AM
#58
Racer
Thread Starter
I've read where alot of owners have complained about road noise. I have very little noise now only the tire noise over rough roads. I did not do anything to the firewall.
06-24-2010, 07:20 AM
#60
Racer
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Got the MS-8 processor installed on 6/12/10. Unbeliavable to say the least. The only issue I have is the center channel sound is muffled when I hear the voice commands response and nav voice. Will have this issue corrected on Saturday by running a basic line driver from the center speaker cables to my amp. I would recommend the MS-8 over all other processors out right now because it the best fit for the 4G and can be calibrated on the fly (as opposed to the Audison BitOne). I will post new pics once I correct the center channel issue.
The only issue I have is the center channel sound is muffled when I hear the voice commands response and nav voice. Will have this issue corrected on Saturday by running a basic line driver from the center speaker cables to my amp. I would recommend the MS-8 over all other processors out right now because it the best fit for the 4G and can be calibrated on the fly (as opposed to the Audison BitOne). I will post new pics once I correct the center channel issue.
06-24-2010, 07:32 PM
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Where did you install the display unit on the JBL MS-8? The only place I could think of is right on top of the nav. But I think that would attract thieves that thinks it's a portable nav. Plus I don't like the thought of having to drill the dash, just in case you have to remove the display later.
06-28-2010, 09:47 AM
#62
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Where did you install the display unit on the JBL MS-8? The only place I could think of is right on top of the nav. But I think that would attract thieves that thinks it's a portable nav. Plus I don't like the thought of having to drill the dash, just in case you have to remove the display later.
07-30-2010, 05:40 PM
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I've read through these posts (and some of the others) and see a few of y'all done some crazy good work replacing the ELS speakers and adding AMPs and what not.
I just bought a non-tech 4G tl, and I don't want to change much but has there been any non-tech owners out there changing the factory speakers - any suggestions or words of advice?
I just bought a non-tech 4G tl, and I don't want to change much but has there been any non-tech owners out there changing the factory speakers - any suggestions or words of advice?
08-10-2010, 02:07 PM
#67
Racer
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09-03-2010, 12:58 PM
#68
Racer
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09-29-2010, 10:17 PM
#69
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09-30-2010, 07:07 AM
#70
Racer
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Note: "Do Not" conntect your center channel to the MS-8. You will lose Voice feedback and Navi-voice. Also, you will get some echo issues when using the bluetooth. Give JBL tech a call and they will fill you in.
01-05-2011, 04:37 PM
#71
Wild Child
I know its an old thread but just to comment on the line converters, they arent linear. After a point when you keep turning up the stereo they saturate. It tends to sound better at a lower volume. You dont get that effect with the clean sweep. Clean sweep is more linear.
01-05-2011, 05:24 PM
#72
Racer
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You are correct. The MS-8 has the same and more functionality as the Clean sweep. Both flatten the OEM output signal but the MS-8 can also time correct and allow additional frequency adjustments to name a few. The clean sweeps did not give me the fidelity I wanted. IMO the MS-8 is a far superior product than the Clean Sweep.
02-18-2011, 12:59 AM
#73
Suzuka Master
Hey Brew, thanks for the very detailed info on your upgrade. I have '08 that I did an entire upgrade from head unit to speakers MYSELF. I am seriously thinking of getting a '11 SW-AWD TL and know that I will want to change the speakers, at the very least. I would like to do my setup pretty much like yours and, like you did, will want to let a shop do it this time all the way down to the custom sub box they made for you.
It was one hell of a labor intensive job to do the entire project myself on the '08. I don't think the satisfaction of doing it myself again is worth the headache and having a shop do it might be better this time. The only thing I think I would lose is the knowledge of where everything is... but hardly that big of deal.
Sorry for the long winded intro, but the question I really have is this... when using the MS-8, do you pull the signal before the OEM amp? Did I read that you left the center channel and rear door speakers out of the equation?
Thanks.. just doing pre-planning
It was one hell of a labor intensive job to do the entire project myself on the '08. I don't think the satisfaction of doing it myself again is worth the headache and having a shop do it might be better this time. The only thing I think I would lose is the knowledge of where everything is... but hardly that big of deal.
Sorry for the long winded intro, but the question I really have is this... when using the MS-8, do you pull the signal before the OEM amp? Did I read that you left the center channel and rear door speakers out of the equation?
Thanks.. just doing pre-planning
02-18-2011, 07:35 AM
#74
Racer
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Hey Brew, thanks for the very detailed info on your upgrade. I have '08 that I did an entire upgrade from head unit to speakers MYSELF. I am seriously thinking of getting a '11 SW-AWD TL and know that I will want to change the speakers, at the very least. I would like to do my setup pretty much like yours and, like you did, will want to let a shop do it this time all the way down to the custom sub box they made for you.
It was one hell of a labor intensive job to do the entire project myself on the '08. I don't think the satisfaction of doing it myself again is worth the headache and having a shop do it might be better this time. The only thing I think I would lose is the knowledge of where everything is... but hardly that big of deal.
Sorry for the long winded intro, but the question I really have is this... when using the MS-8, do you pull the signal before the OEM amp? Did I read that you left the center channel and rear door speakers out of the equation?
Thanks.. just doing pre-planning
It was one hell of a labor intensive job to do the entire project myself on the '08. I don't think the satisfaction of doing it myself again is worth the headache and having a shop do it might be better this time. The only thing I think I would lose is the knowledge of where everything is... but hardly that big of deal.
Sorry for the long winded intro, but the question I really have is this... when using the MS-8, do you pull the signal before the OEM amp? Did I read that you left the center channel and rear door speakers out of the equation?
Thanks.. just doing pre-planning
Fronts: Focal KRX2 biamped and powered by 2 channels from the JL HD600/4 for woofer and 2 channels from the JL 900/5 for the tweeters. The passive crossover is not being used and I'm using 4 channels (channels 1-4) of the MS-8.
Center: Using the midrange speaker from the Focal KRX3 3-way speaker system and powered by 1 channel of the JL HD 900-5 (speaker is not bridged due to its wattage limitation. One channel of the MS-8 (channel 7) is dedicated to the center.
Rears: Focal KRX2 powered by 2 channels of the JL HD 600/4 and two channels of the MS-8 (channels 5 and 6) are dedicated.
Sub: JL 12W2V6 powered by the 1 channel of the JL HD 900/5 and the last channel of the MS-8 (channel 8) is dedicated.
In order to keep voice for NAVI, feedback and bluetooth the center speaker output from the OEM amp has to be connected. I took a motorola speaker from a bluetooth kit and custom (stealth) under the bottom of the driver's side console. I immediately found out that the center speaker would play even when you turn the center volume on the OEM HU to -6 and because of the processing being done by the MS-8 there was a small delay. I fixed this issue by putting an On/Off switch on the driver's side of the center console to allow me to turn that speaker on and off at my discretion. I need to post pics of my final setup but waiting until I complete the changes to the exterior. Feel free to PM me if you want to see pics before they are posted.
02-18-2011, 07:43 AM
#75
Suzuka Master
Hey Stew. After many interations of my system, here where I have ended up. The MS-8 is connected after the OEM amp with only the connections of the front and sub speaker outputs. The speakers/amp setup is:
Fronts: Focal KRX2 biamped and powered by 2 channels from the JL HD600/4 for woofer and 2 channels from the JL 900/5 for the tweeters. The passive crossover is not being used and I'm using 4 channels (channels 1-4) of the MS-8.
Center: Using the midrange speaker from the Focal KRX3 3-way speaker system and powered by 1 channel of the JL HD 900-5 (speaker is not bridged due to its wattage limitation. One channel of the MS-8 (channel 7) is dedicated to the center.
Rears: Focal KRX2 powered by 2 channels of the JL HD 600/4 and two channels of the MS-8 (channels 5 and 6) are dedicated.
Sub: JL 12W2V6 powered by the 1 channel of the JL HD 900/5 and the last channel of the MS-8 (channel 8) is dedicated.
In order to keep voice for NAVI, feedback and bluetooth the center speaker output from the OEM amp has to be connected. I took a motorola speaker from a bluetooth kit and custom (stealth) under the bottom of the driver's side console. I immediately found out that the center speaker would play even when you turn the center volume on the OEM HU to -6 and because of the processing being done by the MS-8 there was a small delay. I fixed this issue by putting an On/Off switch on the driver's side of the center console to allow me to turn that speaker on and off at my discretion. I need to post pics of my final setup but waiting until I complete the changes to the exterior. Feel free to PM me if you want to see pics before they are posted.
Fronts: Focal KRX2 biamped and powered by 2 channels from the JL HD600/4 for woofer and 2 channels from the JL 900/5 for the tweeters. The passive crossover is not being used and I'm using 4 channels (channels 1-4) of the MS-8.
Center: Using the midrange speaker from the Focal KRX3 3-way speaker system and powered by 1 channel of the JL HD 900-5 (speaker is not bridged due to its wattage limitation. One channel of the MS-8 (channel 7) is dedicated to the center.
Rears: Focal KRX2 powered by 2 channels of the JL HD 600/4 and two channels of the MS-8 (channels 5 and 6) are dedicated.
Sub: JL 12W2V6 powered by the 1 channel of the JL HD 900/5 and the last channel of the MS-8 (channel 8) is dedicated.
In order to keep voice for NAVI, feedback and bluetooth the center speaker output from the OEM amp has to be connected. I took a motorola speaker from a bluetooth kit and custom (stealth) under the bottom of the driver's side console. I immediately found out that the center speaker would play even when you turn the center volume on the OEM HU to -6 and because of the processing being done by the MS-8 there was a small delay. I fixed this issue by putting an On/Off switch on the driver's side of the center console to allow me to turn that speaker on and off at my discretion. I need to post pics of my final setup but waiting until I complete the changes to the exterior. Feel free to PM me if you want to see pics before they are posted.
02-18-2011, 09:06 AM
#76
Racer
Thread Starter
Unfortunately you will lose the 5.1 functionality of the OEM HU, but the MS-8 has a simulated 5.1 for 2 channel sources that is quite impressive to say the least. Trust me when I tell you that you won't miss DVD-A with the MS-8. I've done a few expensive aftermarket setups and this one by far is the best.
02-18-2011, 09:57 AM
#77
Suzuka Master
Unfortunately you will lose the 5.1 functionality of the OEM HU, but the MS-8 has a simulated 5.1 for 2 channel sources that is quite impressive to say the least. Trust me when I tell you that you won't miss DVD-A with the MS-8. I've done a few expensive aftermarket setups and this one by far is the best.
Thank you! No doubt I'll be getting back to you when I get the 4G next month.
.. just pre-planning
02-18-2011, 10:16 AM
#78
Racer
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02-18-2011, 11:34 AM
#79
Suzuka Master
The plus side to the 2011 is that there are already aftermarket upgrades.. with the '12, I'd have to wait for the parts to be made. I have seen pics of the '12 and am not sure I like the front end/bumper shape..... of course I could just keep driving the '08
