After a little hiatus, I'm back.

I've been reading this board the last month however was not allowed to post.

Anyhow, I ended up installing my cold air intake and the thing hauls ass now. I'm so stoked that I installed it. It was $230 well spent.

And I get better gas mileage! So genius!!!!

 

which cai did you install?

 

K&N!!!!! Got it on ebay new for $230 delivered. It's pretty danky, most definitely!

 

CAI or SRI? I didn't think there was a CAI for the 4G.

 

CAI, yes there is one. I have it installed, and its the bomb!

 

Where does the filter sit?

 

u remove the old one? do you not believe me?

 

Please post some pics. Also, of you have a smart phone with an accelerometer you can download software that allows you to actually measure a speed increase (0-60mph).

 

I believe the CAI.
but dont believe the gains.

 

I'm just not quite sure you know the difference between a CAI and SRI.

I know you remove the old one. I'm asking where the new cone filter sits...?

 

EasyRider, quit being combative and argumentative.

First, CAI's have be well noted to give minimal gains in horsepower. It's cold outside, so your device seems to work extra good right now. And that's great, but I doubt you will feel the same way about your CAI in the dead of summer. At the end of the day, Cold Air Intakes have been notorious for being a $230 extra growl for the TL.

Second, just post some pictures and answer the guys questions. They are just interested in seeing your work.....that's all.

 

i really want to see how he came up with this Cold air intake..

answer this.. does the filter sit on top or below the car?

 

For the 4G TL, K&N only makes a Short Ram Intake.

 

^^ i was 110% sure of that...

 

He's back with his trolling ways!

 

I have a 04 TL and I've been searching for a carb legal SHORT RAM intake, I live in CA. I went to many performance shops to look for a injen or aem one but they said they don't make them for my model. Is this true? If so why? and what can I do, I don't want a cold air one.

 

You don't really want any of them; save your money for PCDs and a J Pipe.

 

then dont do one at all.
Short ram HURTS performance.

 

Just outta curiousity, is there any proof to this statement? I see it made on here constantly and I'm just wondering if it's everyone providing their opinions, or if there have actually been tests done to prove it.

I haven't seen any before / after dynos or anything similar...just people stating what it felt like. I'd love to see something that adds credibility.

 

you cant really test it on the dyno.
why?
because the hood is up and there is a fan blowing into the engine bay.

plus, all the 4G guys will tell you that it hurt top end.
I believe Pete and psuedo can attest to this.

on the 3rd gen TL, the stock paper filter OUTFLOWS the throttle body at WOT.
on the 4G, Honda has increased the diameter of the throttle body.
so, a cold air intake or short ram wouldnt bring more air in. a cold air intake would bring in denser air, tho. which would increase HP.

 

the ideal cold air intake wouldnt be a pipe with a filter attached at the end.

the CT-E Ice box is the ideal cold air intake system.
a velocity stack near the opening of the grill or bumper with straight pipe leading all the way to the stock filter location.

 

I thought someone on here did a test of engine bay temp vs outside temp and found that is the difference was insignificant when the vehicle was moving. This would lead me to believe that there's not much of a difference between SRI and CAI in regards to gains.

My automotive expertise is extremely limited so I can't attest either way, and I only had my TL for a couple months before installing my SRI so the "seat of the pants" test isn't conclusive.

Either way though I love it, and would do it again. With a baby on the way I don't have the funds for real performance mods, so 'awesome sounds' is about all I can do for now

Thx for the info!

 

I have the short ram. Your first investment in power would be the J pipe. End of story.

If you want more after that - get the PCDs / HFPCs.

Gray area mods:
P2R Intake Runners. I have them, not sold on them doing much.
Takeda intake. Noisemaker by itself. Maybe good with other mods
P2R Thermal intake gasket. I have it. I didn't install it was so sloppily cut.
P2R Throttle spacer and gaskets. I have them. Not sold on them doing much.
Catback exhaust. Maybe 10hp - and get out $1500 or so. Probably not worth it without FI.
Crank Pulley. Maybe a few HP. Pretty Penny at $300ish.

DEFINITE Power Adders:

PCD/HFPC. Big power.
Longtube J Pipe. Big power.

 

if intake is the name of the game, you'll want to port and polish the manifold and its runners.
I bet after doing this, an intake will provide gains.

 

^^I've done this. Not noticing any HUGE gain. Haven't got my PCDs/ J Pipe on yet though.

 

what we are seeing on the 3G side is a small gain by P&P the runners and manifold.
but, we cant take FULL advantage of it without being tuned.

when i say small gain, anywhere from 5-10hp.
I bought the J&R ECU and i am waiting for it to come in.
I have full exhaust mods and later will P&P the manifold.
I expect to be around 275-280whp with all of this.

 

I primarily drive the 07 Type S as a daily, and only the 4G occasionally. I think comparing the acceleration between the two, it throws off my expectations. The 3G is stock, and I'll go hammer on it and thing - man, this is quick. The 4G has all the intake mods, and I'll hit it and think, meh, maybe it's a little bit snappier than stock.

 

How heavy is the vehicle?
plus, awd....

I forgot if you have the six speed in your SH-AWD....?
its always great talking to you about this kinda stuff!

 

That's kind of it though. I've done fast Hondas for years. The 07 feels like a fast Honda - pulls hard, nose dives, back gets light, etc. The 4G is a completely different beast. It just moves out, but you don't really feel that "rubber band" effect like you do on a fast FF car.

Lining them up, I'd take the 4G on a race to 30, the 3G on a race to 60, I think they'd be neck and neck to 100, and I'd take the 3g @ 100+.

Both mine are 5AT. I know my 03CL-S6M would destroy either of them in a line, but it was bolted to 280whp territory. Clutches and carseats unfortunately aren't terribly fond of one another, so ditched the S2000 and the CLS6 for a pair of auto TLs.

 

Another question for you gurus...

What type of gains are there (if any) with a PCD or HFPC without any other exhaust upgrades?

 

All I'm saying is that the intake that I bought has provided more HP to my '09 4g w/tech. Maybe the CAI intake you guys purchased isnt as good as mine? I do not know, I'm just explaining from my experience. And I must say my experience has been pretty goood and I'm happy with it...

 

all intakes work the same.

 

So you agree with me then? Or do you think it was a bad idea to add it?

Will this void my warrantee, K&N website says it wont.

 

I don't think you catching the drift buddy. Theres no such "CAI" for the 4G hence why we ask what "CAI" you purchased. No one has a CAI in the 4G section so no your "CAI" is not better than the short ram that we know exists. You can't even provide pictures or a link of this supposed CAI

 

I didn't drive this car to work.

I got this:

http://store.knfilters.com/search/pr...Prod=69-1210TS

 

+1 no difference in intakes aside from color and stickers etc.

 

justnspace or pseudo...

What type of gains are there (if any) with a PCD or HFPC without any other exhaust upgrades?

 

my first mod was the jpipe. i then added the PCDs but kept stock exhaust.


with just jpipe and pcd's I gained over a stock 6mt TL.

Emmanuel is the stock 6mt TL. you can see I have more torque and horsies with just jpipe and pcds.

 

Doesn't the 3G come with a cold air system stock anyways? It gets air from way down near the base of the bumper, doesn't it?

 

a psuedo cold air system.


you can see the velocity stack, where the blue arrows turn orange.