Will there be a 4g Type S?
10-05-2008, 06:34 PM
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Will there be a 4g Type S?
Will there be a 4g Type S or is the manual version a replacement for the type s model?
What do you guys think... will there be a sportier model with more power available soon?
What do you guys think... will there be a sportier model with more power available soon?
10-05-2008, 06:46 PM
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Well, the SH-AWD version is supposed to be the "unofficial" replacement for the Type-S, but I'm pretty sure sometime within the next 1-2 years, Acura will come up with a true Type-S....there is just too much competition out there for them not to.
10-05-2008, 06:47 PM
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Will I live to be 100? I mean I usually let these questions go and get flamed by others, but really unless there is an Acura marketing manager that will respond it is all guessing. I woudl guess there likely will be, but who knows. And honestly with this styling, I'm not sure I care.
10-05-2008, 08:20 PM
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Well, that's the world we live in.....every year, everything gets bigger, maybe better, but always more expensive. When I bought my BMW 545i 3 years ago, I "only" paid $55K......now, that same car costs $70K! Less than 5 years ago, a loaded 3 series was about the same price as a base 3G TL, now a loaded 3 will reach almost $50K You can partly blame the weak US economy, the very weak US dollar, and inflation....but in the end, progress isn't free.
10-05-2008, 08:22 PM
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Me and couple others talk with one head person from Acura (don't know exact his title is) during the launch new 09TL in Tustin Acura dealer last week and they say there's in the work of a type S model which might come out in 2011. Now, this is not an official news and during our chit chat before the launch so we'll wait and see. They also said that in the next 2 years, Acura will come out with 2 brand new model car that they haven't made before, seiously thinking about the coupe, and new RL is 7 series fighter.
10-05-2008, 10:45 PM
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and as you stated if its performance people want, anything over 40k for a TL ---> BMW doesnt seem so "overpriced" after all haha
10-05-2008, 11:26 PM
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I'm with you on that completely...there are a lot of cars I'd pick over an Acura TL SHAWD for 43-44k...hell i'd take an E350 4-matic (heavly discounted right now) or as i've said before a GS350 AWD for the same EXACT price range but much better cars and as you stated if its performance people want, anything over 40k for a TL ---> BMW doesnt seem so "overpriced" after all haha
and as you stated if its performance people want, anything over 40k for a TL ---> BMW doesnt seem so "overpriced" after all haha
So far I am thinking 335i Coupe/Sedan but most likely it wont happen since I still love my 05 TL. I recently went with my cousin to Lexus dealer cause she bought an IS250. Anyway while I was there, I checked out the GS350, I really liked it but it feels a little too big, I think the size of the 3G TL/3 series is just right.
10-05-2008, 11:36 PM
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I'm with you on that completely...there are a lot of cars I'd pick over an Acura TL SHAWD for 43-44k...hell i'd take an E350 4-matic (heavly discounted right now) or as i've said before a GS350 AWD for the same EXACT price range but much better cars and as you stated if its performance people want, anything over 40k for a TL ---> BMW doesnt seem so "overpriced" after all haha
and as you stated if its performance people want, anything over 40k for a TL ---> BMW doesnt seem so "overpriced" after all hahaanyway, back ON TOPIC, yes, acura will put out a type s version, as per the norm, tighter suspension and spiffy wheels, nothing that some aftermarket companies can't solve for a lot less.
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10-08-2008, 08:11 AM
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I politely could not disagree more. I bought my 3G TL 5 years ago (almost to the day) and I test drove the 3 series at the time. While a base package 3 series like a 325i with no additional options (which BTW didn't exist on the lot) was about the same price, a loaded 3 series was well into to the 40's. I paid 32k for my TL out the door. Hell, even the 330i base package was more than the loaded TL if I remember correctly. There was just no comparison at all when you compared the features and price. The only upside for the 3 series was that it was RWD. And for that you got to pay at least another 8-10k and got less hp.
10-08-2008, 01:48 PM
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Just checked MBUSA.COM and there is indeed a special price offering for the 2009 E350 4-Matic. It's going for $55,575 without options. Toss in Premium Package 2 and the Sport Package and you come up with an MSRP of $61,715.... THAT is at the SPECIAL PRICE offering. A far cry from the price mentioned by the earlier poster. Perhaps a USED one, but no way for a new one. SORRY, MYTH BUSTED.
10-08-2008, 02:08 PM
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Acura normally releases a Type S during the last two years of a body style. 3G type S are only available for 07 and 08 years. Same should apply to 2G and the RSX model years. So if you are wondering about a 4G type S don't expect it until fall of 2010 for the 2011 model years to available.
Same goes for honda except they changed that rule for the new body style of the civic releasing the si immediately.
Same goes for honda except they changed that rule for the new body style of the civic releasing the si immediately.
10-08-2008, 02:36 PM
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where can you find a 2009 G350 w/ navi for 42,995? last i checked, they come in over 50k...and a e350 4matic w/ navi for under 50K??? i'm not sure what dealerships you go to, but let me in on the secret.
anyway, back ON TOPIC, yes, acura will put out a type s version, as per the norm, tighter suspension and spiffy wheels, nothing that some aftermarket companies can't solve for a lot less.
anyway, back ON TOPIC, yes, acura will put out a type s version, as per the norm, tighter suspension and spiffy wheels, nothing that some aftermarket companies can't solve for a lot less.
not sure about 09's but 2008 GS350 (identical to 09's) with MSRP $52k can be EASILY had for $45k with little haggling...08 E350 4-matics are being discounted by ridiculous amounts and can therefore be had for under 50k depending on excess of options
10-08-2008, 02:47 PM
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Respectfully, not every market is the same. They may 'easily' be negotiated down in your area, but not in others. This is why comparing negotiated selling prices vs. list prices are difficult at best.
10-08-2008, 03:28 PM
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you can't compare prices of 2008 models to the 4G TL, since there is only 2009s available. Come back next year to make this argument work. Either way both the 08 GS350 and 08 E350 w/navi options are more money than the 4G TL. i don't get it?? plus mercedes benz maintenance is through the roof.
10-08-2008, 08:40 PM
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I'm with you on that completely...there are a lot of cars I'd pick over an Acura TL SHAWD for 43-44k...hell i'd take an E350 4-matic (heavly discounted right now) or as i've said before a GS350 AWD for the same EXACT price range but much better cars and as you stated if its performance people want, anything over 40k for a TL ---> BMW doesnt seem so "overpriced" after all haha
and as you stated if its performance people want, anything over 40k for a TL ---> BMW doesnt seem so "overpriced" after all hahaLast edited by blakura; 10-08-2008 at 08:41 PM. Reason: Needed to add more
10-08-2008, 08:41 PM
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if acura does release a Type S, it will be too expensive to justify selling to the current target market. as it stands, the SH-AWD is already too expensive. a nearly $10K jump in premium for the next generation Type S is not going to reap the same success the outgoing model had.
they can just chuck the FWD model, make the SH-AWD the base, and a loaded SH-AWD the Type S. thats much more realistic, but then you start chipping away at the RL market.
they can just chuck the FWD model, make the SH-AWD the base, and a loaded SH-AWD the Type S. thats much more realistic, but then you start chipping away at the RL market.
10-08-2008, 08:43 PM
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I have to confirm....
Just checked MBUSA.COM and there is indeed a special price offering for the 2009 E350 4-Matic. It's going for $55,575 without options. Toss in Premium Package 2 and the Sport Package and you come up with an MSRP of $61,715.... THAT is at the SPECIAL PRICE offering. A far cry from the price mentioned by the earlier poster. Perhaps a USED one, but no way for a new one. SORRY, MYTH BUSTED.
Just checked MBUSA.COM and there is indeed a special price offering for the 2009 E350 4-Matic. It's going for $55,575 without options. Toss in Premium Package 2 and the Sport Package and you come up with an MSRP of $61,715.... THAT is at the SPECIAL PRICE offering. A far cry from the price mentioned by the earlier poster. Perhaps a USED one, but no way for a new one. SORRY, MYTH BUSTED.
10-08-2008, 08:46 PM
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if acura does release a Type S, it will be too expensive to justify selling to the current target market. as it stands, the SH-AWD is already too expensive. a nearly $10K jump in premium for the next generation Type S is not going to reap the same success the outgoing model had.
they can just chuck the FWD model, make the SH-AWD the base, and a loaded SH-AWD the Type S. thats much more realistic, but then you start chipping away at the RL market.
they can just chuck the FWD model, make the SH-AWD the base, and a loaded SH-AWD the Type S. thats much more realistic, but then you start chipping away at the RL market.
10-08-2008, 08:58 PM
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you can't compare prices of 2008 models to the 4G TL, since there is only 2009s available. Come back next year to make this argument work. Either way both the 08 GS350 and 08 E350 w/navi options are more money than the 4G TL. i don't get it?? plus mercedes benz maintenance is through the roof.
haha
10-09-2008, 08:43 AM
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Yea dump the 4th gen and move onto the 5th. Tier one RWD with AWD as an option and get rid of the stupid beak they are sticking on these cars.. And come up with a replacement for the out dated J series and also offer a V8 or turbo 6
10-09-2008, 04:24 PM
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I'm just hoping that I can get rid of my 08TL-Base and move onto the Type-S which should come out sometime in 2011. As someone said earlier in this thread, if Acura's Type-S is over 43k then goodbye Acura and hello BMW. I just can't believe that the new TL is that freaking expensive. Come on, 43k for a SH-AWD, they gotta be kidding me. Looks like I need a career change.
10-09-2008, 07:09 PM
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10-09-2008, 08:04 PM
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I'm just hoping that I can get rid of my 08TL-Base and move onto the Type-S which should come out sometime in 2011. As someone said earlier in this thread, if Acura's Type-S is over 43k then goodbye Acura and hello BMW. I just can't believe that the new TL is that freaking expensive. Come on, 43k for a SH-AWD, they gotta be kidding me. Looks like I need a career change.
Well you can thank inflation for that. (and also a weak US dollar). Car prices almost always go up every year....it would be foolish to think otherwise. That being said, the new TL is more loaded than ever......all those extras don't come for free. As someone once said, you have to pay to play.
10-09-2008, 08:52 PM
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We have gone slightly off topic of Type S, but I have been dealing with Lexus dealers in TN, and you can find 08 GS350 loaded but NOT AWD, sticker 52K, purchase around 46K. 09 are not available yet here, and will not have as much dealer kick. You can find invoice deals on just about ANY 08 car left on lots.
That said, the tech packages in the Lexus are shite compared to Acura, as are the BMW. Honestly though, with the size increase of the TL, you really need to compare it to the 5 series, which is 55K up, and Type S would compete with M5 for $100K? (okay, maybe not compare to M5
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That said, the tech packages in the Lexus are shite compared to Acura, as are the BMW. Honestly though, with the size increase of the TL, you really need to compare it to the 5 series, which is 55K up, and Type S would compete with M5 for $100K? (okay, maybe not compare to M5
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