The SH-AWD gets crazy reactions while in Boston today.
11-17-2008 | 08:42 PM
#41
Racer
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Sh-awd 09 tl
I think the wheels set the SH-AWD version significantly apart from the FWD version in the looks department, IMO. Yea, the beak is there, and they'll probably "augment" it for next year, but if I were going to buy an 09, it would have to have the upgraded wheels/tire package.
11-17-2008 | 08:46 PM
#42
Three Wheelin'
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,507
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From: LA
Absolutely. Adding the mud flaps, side door moldings and changing out the rims is where I'm at with mine. The car just looks meaner and more aggressive, and a lower profile tire and custom rims brings the car down a bit. The lines on the TL seem to roar now.
11-17-2008 | 11:45 PM
#44
10th Gear
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So today the TL went on it's first spin. We went into Boston cruised around stopping here and there and then had dinner in Harvard Sq. And I'm not exaggerating when I tell you how much positive feedback we got. I felt like I was in an exotic or something. I had a few BMW's, a G35, and every other racer trying to run with me. She had 70 miles on her so I'm not racing anything quite yet. 
People were following, pointing, beeping, waving, yelling.. They came up when we would get out and ask questions and say words such as, nice, beautiful, hot, crazy. I'm not going to lie it was cool and all but I sorta was like hasn't anyone seen one of these yet? And I thought it was supposed to be butt ugly. 
But we were out all day and night and I didn't see one 2009 TL. And these weren't all young kids, they were of all ages.
So it makes me wonder. Is it just that the forums are filled with a certain type of crowd and we're not getting the right sample here?? It seems the majority of people in the forums are putting it down etc.. Because if I went by what happened to me today, I'd bet some serious dough that this car is going to do just fine. Let's face it the economy is in the crapper, so a 39-43k car may not be selling like hotcakes no matter what it looks like. That fact may just make it a slow starter. Time will tell.
People were following, pointing, beeping, waving, yelling.. They came up when we would get out and ask questions and say words such as, nice, beautiful, hot, crazy. I'm not going to lie it was cool and all but I sorta was like hasn't anyone seen one of these yet? And I thought it was supposed to be butt ugly. But we were out all day and night and I didn't see one 2009 TL. And these weren't all young kids, they were of all ages. So it makes me wonder. Is it just that the forums are filled with a certain type of crowd and we're not getting the right sample here?? It seems the majority of people in the forums are putting it down etc.. Because if I went by what happened to me today, I'd bet some serious dough that this car is going to do just fine. Let's face it the economy is in the crapper, so a 39-43k car may not be selling like hotcakes no matter what it looks like. That fact may just make it a slow starter. Time will tell.
So I tell him, "Yeah, you can get deep discounts right now because that new model is out.. in fact, you should get the Type S if still available", because I'm assuming he wants the 3G.
NOOOOO... "No, that's not what I want.. I want the new one.. That thing is beautiful!"
WHAT?? I didn't say anything, but all of a sudden, I started to realize that maybe I'm (and we on this board) aren't being objective... BUT then again, magazine review after review agrees with us as well.. ONLY the general public doesn't agree with any of us enthusiasts!
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11-18-2008 | 01:48 PM
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11-18-2008 | 01:58 PM
#49
Honda Fanboy
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From: So Cal
11-18-2008 | 02:17 PM
#50
Three Wheelin'
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Posts: 1,775
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From: Chicago suburb, IL
11-18-2008 | 02:23 PM
#51
Drifting
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 2,687
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From: Boston, MA
Jesus, you guys are critical. The G is an AWESOME car as is the TL. If I had to pick, I'd probably take the TL but there is no need to be bashing the G... You guys are making a bad name for the Acura crowd with your unfiltered bias and ridiculious bashing of the G.
11-18-2008 | 02:38 PM
#52
Honda Fanboy
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Posts: 1,288
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From: So Cal
It's one thing to just be flat out talking crap about the G. It is another thing to just be pointing out downfalls of the G and that is what we are doing. The interior= the G's biggest downfall. It's not like were making stuff up, these are all just well known facts about the G. Go see what the G owners are saying about the TL and then talk about making a bad name. Besides, it was a G35 owner coming in HERE talking crap about the TL that sparked this.
11-18-2008 | 06:29 PM
#53
Suzuka Master
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 5,172
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From: Atlanta, GA
It's one thing to just be flat out talking crap about the G. It is another thing to just be pointing out downfalls of the G and that is what we are doing. The interior= the G's biggest downfall. It's not like were making stuff up, these are all just well known facts about the G. Go see what the G owners are saying about the TL and then talk about making a bad name. Besides, it was a G35 owner coming in HERE talking crap about the TL that sparked this.
G owners on their forums are way more fanatical about the G, they bash a TL for stupid reasons, TL owners seem far more tolerant. That said I don;t see the big probelm witht e G interior, I think some of the materials can be of better grade, but their leather seats seem nicer quality than the 3G, the 4G seems to leap over thema bit, their leater steering wheel is cheap feeling. Personally I bet their dashes don't blotch and fade liek the 3G does!! And every one of my 5 3G TL's has buzzed and rattled particularly the back deck and I don;t see any where near the same number or rattle complaints from G owners.
11-18-2008 | 07:00 PM
#54
Thread Starter
Racer
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From: Mass
11-18-2008 | 07:44 PM
#55
Three Wheelin'
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,282
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From: SoCal
Wavehogger, glad you're getting positive reviews from others on the road - it does indeed bode well for the TL's longevity.
And it's obvious when a guy rips the TL saying that he's going to blow it's doors off with the new G37, you're going to get backlash. You're in Acurazine, we're biased, that's why we're in here. Go to a Mustang board and tell them that the new Camaro is going to blow the doors off a new Mustang and see what happens...
And it's obvious when a guy rips the TL saying that he's going to blow it's doors off with the new G37, you're going to get backlash. You're in Acurazine, we're biased, that's why we're in here. Go to a Mustang board and tell them that the new Camaro is going to blow the doors off a new Mustang and see what happens...
11-18-2008 | 08:19 PM
#56
Cruisin'
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Hey everyone will be HAPPY to know, I am going to wait for Motor Trend and Car & Driver to come out with their reviews and comparisons before I post again,, i am going to sit back have fun driving my G37XS, while most of you still wait for Acura to come out with the SH AWD, or when it does come out maybe you will actually buy and drive it instead of whining on here, I won't even think about the TL unless I see the front cover of the movie "Cars"
11-18-2008 | 09:01 PM
#57
Honda Fanboy
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 1,288
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From: So Cal
G owners on their forums are way more fanatical about the G, they bash a TL for stupid reasons, TL owners seem far more tolerant. That said I don;t see the big probelm witht e G interior, I think some of the materials can be of better grade, but their leather seats seem nicer quality than the 3G, the 4G seems to leap over thema bit, their leater steering wheel is cheap feeling. Personally I bet their dashes don't blotch and fade liek the 3G does!! And every one of my 5 3G TL's has buzzed and rattled particularly the back deck and I don;t see any where near the same number or rattle complaints from G owners.
11-18-2008 | 10:56 PM
#58
You'll Never Walk Alone
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Hey everyone will be HAPPY to know, I am going to wait for Motor Trend and Car & Driver to come out with their reviews and comparisons before I post again,, i am going to sit back have fun driving my G37XS, while most of you still wait for Acura to come out with the SH AWD, or when it does come out maybe you will actually buy and drive it instead of whining on here, I won't even think about the TL unless I see the front cover of the movie "Cars"
11-19-2008 | 12:00 AM
#59
'10 Hyundai Genesis Coupe
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,779
Likes: 7
From: CT
Yeah I have only seen one 4G TL on the road and that one was at an Acura meet in NY. Due to the extreme rarity I could see how the car gets a lot of attention, the car looks better in person.
11-19-2008 | 01:01 AM
#60
Three Wheelin'
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,775
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From: Chicago suburb, IL
Yes, it's nice to have the only black-on-black 4G SH-AWD as far as the eye could see......amongst a sea of 3 series, G35's, 3G TL's, Camrys, and other "vanilla" cars.......I get so much attention on the streets wherever I drive, I almost feel like I'm driving an "exotic."
11-19-2008 | 08:52 AM
#61
Drifting
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 2,687
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From: Boston, MA
VtecRacer, man, I think it's cool that you're so passionate about your TL and Acura as a brand, I wish more people out there appreciated it for what it is. But your bias towards this brand over other brands is unbelievable. The TL is a superb car, no doubt about it but dude, take it down a notch...
11-19-2008 | 09:48 AM
#62
Burning Brakes
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,148
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From: Baltimore MD
When I was out looking to buy my first car (i knew nothing about cars so only thing i was looked for was how reliable and how it looks from interior to exterior) I did a lot of research for a month comparing all the cars inside and out and guess what? I sealed the deal with 3G TL because it was the best value and perfect fit while I hated to look in Infinity X exterior and interior. So my point is, this is the same old design that I hated, G35 now aka G37 with HP advantage.
Only Infinity looks good to me is the G35/37 'Coupe' but when you add sedan in it, it is just look ugly.
Only Infinity looks good to me is the G35/37 'Coupe' but when you add sedan in it, it is just look ugly.
The aesthetics of 4G TL is an acquired taste. It is growing on me and definitely has road presence. I saw one for the first time on the road and I nearly broke my neck swiveling my neck to get a better look. For it's price it is definitely hard to beat. It has Acura reliability with some luxury cache. It's not in the same field as Lexus or BMW but people know that Acuras aren't cheap cars and are reliable. There's nothing to be ashamed that Honda is the parent company. If I were in the market for a new car it would definitely be on top of the list (the SH-AWD).
11-19-2008 | 10:49 AM
#63
When I was in the market for a new car in 2005 I considered the G. The sedan did not look good to me. I wanted the G35 coupe. However, it just was not practical as my first car. The new IS had not come out yet. I did not even consider BMW or Merc due to reliability issues. So the most sensible choice was the TL. I have not regretted it once. The 07 G35 looks much better than the previous model. The new G coupe took a step backwards to me compared to the old model.
The aesthetics of 4G TL is an acquired taste. It is growing on me and definitely has road presence. I saw one for the first time on the road and I nearly broke my neck swiveling my neck to get a better look. For it's price it is definitely hard to beat. It has Acura reliability with some luxury cache. It's not in the same field as Lexus or BMW but people know that Acuras aren't cheap cars and are reliable. There's nothing to be ashamed that Honda is the parent company. If I were in the market for a new car it would definitely be on top of the list (the SH-AWD).
The aesthetics of 4G TL is an acquired taste. It is growing on me and definitely has road presence. I saw one for the first time on the road and I nearly broke my neck swiveling my neck to get a better look. For it's price it is definitely hard to beat. It has Acura reliability with some luxury cache. It's not in the same field as Lexus or BMW but people know that Acuras aren't cheap cars and are reliable. There's nothing to be ashamed that Honda is the parent company. If I were in the market for a new car it would definitely be on top of the list (the SH-AWD).
After seeing one on the road I had to go check it out at the dealer while i was getting my car serviced. First, I was like how good the interior could be but then when went took at the one in show room I was very impressed. It looked so much better than 3G but I wish somehow they could have kept the touch screen Navigation. Exterior also looks great...if you haven't seen one in person I recommend it. Overall car is perfect fit. A lot my friends came up to me saying how good the new TL looks.
Last edited by smsTL; 11-19-2008 at 10:51 AM.
11-19-2008 | 01:42 PM
#64
Honda Fanboy
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 1,288
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From: So Cal
VtecRacer, man, I think it's cool that you're so passionate about your TL and Acura as a brand, I wish more people out there appreciated it for what it is. But your bias towards this brand over other brands is unbelievable. The TL is a superb car, no doubt about it but dude, take it down a notch...
You probably wouldn't believe me if I told you what I do drive, though.
11-19-2008 | 02:38 PM
#66
Burning Brakes
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,071
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From: Long Island, NY
just look at this reliability record at truedelta.com... it's flagged at very poor reliability
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To measure reliability, TrueDelta calculates a "Successful Repair Trips per 100 Vehicles per Year" stat. The latest Vehicle Reliability Survey results include Infiniti EX35 reliability information:
Successful Repair Trips per Year
(per 100 vehicles) Data Characteristics
Year Make Model
Trips / Year
per 100
Cars
Months
per Car
Odometer
2008 Infiniti EX-Series
136
Fewest Most
32 4.4 4800
For Vehicle Reliability Survey results for other models and a table key, click here. New results quarterly.
The Details: Infiniti EX35 Repair Histories
Dealer Price Quotes
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Below you'll find Infiniti repair descriptions submitted through the Vehicle Reliability Survey and the Vehicle Repair History Survey that supplements it. Ordered by model year, with newest first.
Most cars for which no repairs have been reported are not shown. So individual repair histories should not be used to infer reliability. Instead, they provide an idea of the the repairs Infiniti owners have been experiencing,
Odometer readings and costs are in local units.
2008 Infiniti EX35 4dr SUV
297-horsepower 3.5L V6 5-spd shiftable automatic
Location: Ontario, Canada
Month Year Odo Cost Description
Mar 2008 0 0 First odometer entry.
Jun 2008 2000 0 heat shield rattle was noticed; dealer said it was successfully adjusted, but problem was found to persist front passenger door appeared to be misaligned since dash trim and matching door trim didn't line up; dealer claimed to have adjusted door to maximum possible; did not resolve the cosmetic alignment issue and door fitting became worse, in fact rear door windows not lowered by use of mechanical key, as described by owner's manual; dealer claims manual is in error; owner told that lack of express-down feature for rear windows prevents this capability dealer said misalignment was due to dash trim misalignment, not door; further, no adjustment is possible, so too bad
hood out of alignment on driver's side; adjusted successfully 2nd attempt found heat shield rattle as reported by owner, but no adjustment possible; new exhaust pipe on order Jul 2008 3000 0 Rattling heat shield corrected by replacing center exhaust tube. Groaning noise during startup, traced to defective fuel pump - replacement ordered.
Aug 2008 4000 0 Noisy fuel pump replaced.
Oct 2008 6943 0 Adjust sun roof for better fit (and hopefully, less leakage)
Location: Massachusetts, United States
Month Year Odo Cost Description
Apr 2008 1000 0 First odometer entry.
May 2008 1000 0 Sunroof leaked in High Pressure Car Wash. Dealer first adjusted, and then on 2nd visit replaced glass. Roof still leaks under high pressure. I have so far documented three other EX35's with the same issue. Infiniti will not acknowledge there is a problem
Location: Massachusetts, United States
Month Year Odo Cost Description
Mar 2008 1000 0 First odometer entry.
Jul 2008 4000 0 Nav system failed to disply night mode
Oct 2008 7000 0 Most recent odometer entry.
Location: Ontario, Canada
Month Year Odo Cost Description
May 2008 13000 0 First odometer entry.
Jul 2008 17000 0 Rubber door seal had come loose top of window.
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Month Year Odo Cost Description
Jun 2008 2000 0 First odometer entry.
Sep 2008 7000 309 Fuel pump excessively noisy.
Location: New York, United States
Month Year Odo Cost Description
Jan 2008 2000 0 First odometer entry.
Jun 2008 9000 0 Fuel pump was bad . Making a funny noise suddenly
Sep 2008 11000 0 Most recent odometer entry.
Location: Massachusetts, United States
Month Year Odo Cost Description
Sep 2008 0 0 First odometer entry.
Oct 2008 0 0 Fuel pump making humming noise
2008 Infiniti EX35 4dr SUV
297-horsepower 3.5L V6 5-spd shiftable automatic
Location: Louisiana, United States
Month Year Odo Cost Description
Feb 2008 1000 0 First odometer entry.
Sep 2008 5000 0 Funny sound when car started, know fuel pump issue. Changed without any problems. Driver's visor mirror cover broke. Complete visor replaced.
Location: Georgia, United States
Month Year Odo Cost Description
Jan 2008 0 0 First odometer entry.
Feb 2008 0 0 Loud vibrating/humming noise when starting auto. Replaced fuel pump. Second fuel pump replacement, still unsuccessful.
Mar 2008 1000 0 Third fuel pump replacement, still unsuccessful. Fourth fuel pump replacement, still unsuccessful.
Apr 2008 2000 0 Fifth fuel pump replacement finally eliminates noise.
Sep 2008 10000 0 Most recent odometer entry.
Location: California, United States
Month Year Odo Cost Description
Sep 2008 150 0 Sterring wheel column adjustment motor. Was not working when we picked the vehicle up. Warranty repair
Location: Georgia, United States
Month Year Odo Cost Description
Aug 2008 2000 0 First odometer entry.
Sep 2008 4000 0 Noticed a noise coming from rear of vehicle at startup. Immediately diagnosed and fixed a dealership within 2 hours - required replacement of fuel pump. Apparently a known problem. Repair successful.
Location: Texas, United States
Month Year Odo Cost Description
Jun 2008 0 0 First odometer entry.
Sep 2008 4000 0 Right wiper makes knocking noise when wiper started. New wiper assembly ordered.
Oct 2008 5000 0 Installed replacement wiper assembly on right side.
Location: California, United States
Month Year Odo Cost Description
May 2008 0 0 First odometer entry.
Jun 2008 1000 0 Coolant leak due to faulty clamp. They replaced clamp and installed new lower radiator hose.
Sep 2008 3000 0 Defective fuel pump replaced.
2008 Infiniti EX35 5-door
6-cylinder automatic 2WD
Location: Mississippi, United States
Month Year Odo Cost Description
Mar 2008 2000 0 First odometer entry.
Jun 2008 12000 160 We had to replace the switch panel (air conditioning recirculate switch stuck.
Aug 2008 19000 0 Fuel pump that "moaned" during start-up was replaced (TSB)
Sep 2008 20000 0 Most recent odometer entry.
Location: North Carolina, United States
Month Year Odo Cost Description
Feb 2008 1000 0 First odometer entry.
Jun 2008 3000 0 Fuel pump making moaning noise. Replaced with updated fuel pump identified in TSB.
2008 Infiniti EX35 5-door
6-cylinder automatic AWD
Location: Oregon, United States
Month Year Odo Cost Description
May 2008 0 0 First odometer entry.
Jul 2008 2000 0 Sunroof leaked, adjusted, haven't had a chance to test repair yet.
Sep 2008 6000 0 Most recent odometer entry.
2008 Infiniti EX35
Powertrain not specified
Location: Ontario, Canada
Month Year Odo Cost Description
Aug 2008 9000 0 First odometer entry.
Sep 2008 10000 0 Humming noise at start up, fuel pump replaced.
11-19-2008 | 06:32 PM
#68
Suzuka Master
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 5,172
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From: Atlanta, GA
I'm sorry, Keith, but the first generation G35 interior is just awful. I don't care how many rattles your TL's had because if you ever owned a first gen G35 you would be asking God to put you back in a rattling TL. Rattles in the G are one thing, put the dash seperating and peeling back from the foam at the margins is another thing. I'm SHOCKED that you think the first gen G35 has softer leather because every single G35 I have driven had super-hard leather. The leather was so hard that I could use it as a drum. Honestly, you probably don't see rattle complaints from the G forums because it's a dead horse topic. The TL has always been rated highly for quality so as many rattles as you have had, there are a lot more cars out there that are worst.
I'm sorry I was referring to the 2G G35, I agre the orginal and MMC G35 interior was awful and quality was marginal at best, the leather did not hold up.
11-19-2008 | 06:35 PM
#69
Suzuka Master
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 5,172
Likes: 740
From: Atlanta, GA
The EX is a piece of garbage
just look at this reliability record at truedelta.com... it's flagged at very poor reliability
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To measure reliability, TrueDelta calculates a "Successful Repair Trips per 100 Vehicles per Year" stat. The latest Vehicle Reliability Survey results include Infiniti EX35 reliability information:
Successful Repair Trips per Year
(per 100 vehicles) Data Characteristics
Year Make Model
Trips / Year
per 100
Cars
Months
per Car
Odometer
2008 Infiniti EX-Series
136
Fewest Most
32 4.4 4800
For Vehicle Reliability Survey results for other models and a table key, click here. New results quarterly.
The Details: Infiniti EX35 Repair Histories
Dealer Price Quotes
.
just look at this reliability record at truedelta.com... it's flagged at very poor reliability
-----------------------------------------
To measure reliability, TrueDelta calculates a "Successful Repair Trips per 100 Vehicles per Year" stat. The latest Vehicle Reliability Survey results include Infiniti EX35 reliability information:
Successful Repair Trips per Year
(per 100 vehicles) Data Characteristics
Year Make Model
Trips / Year
per 100
Cars
Months
per Car
Odometer
2008 Infiniti EX-Series
136
Fewest Most
32 4.4 4800
For Vehicle Reliability Survey results for other models and a table key, click here. New results quarterly.
The Details: Infiniti EX35 Repair Histories
Dealer Price Quotes
.
11-19-2008 | 07:02 PM
#70
Honda Fanboy
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 1,288
Likes: 17
From: So Cal
I don't know about the overall reliability of the EX35, but I do know that it has a great interior. If you opt for the luxury package and get the upgraded leather and dash, it is actually a really nice interior. It was the first Infiniti interior that I really liked. I like the 2nd Gen FX interior the best now out of all the Inifniti's. Not only does it finally use quality materials, but everything actually just "looks" solid, if that makes sense. The 2nd gen G35 is a definite improvement over the 1st gen, but still is not close to matching some of the best cars in it's class.
As for EX vs RDX... both cars are a bit different from each other. Both cars have good interiors with the RDX leaning more towards sporty-tech and the EX35 leaning more towards luxury.
As for EX vs RDX... both cars are a bit different from each other. Both cars have good interiors with the RDX leaning more towards sporty-tech and the EX35 leaning more towards luxury.
11-19-2008 | 10:40 PM
#71
Good Vibes
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 149
Likes: 27
From: West Coast
The common knock on Acuras is their "me too" design philosophy and generic styling. Mostly, "anonymous" stying as the cars rarely stick out in the crowd.
With the TL's radical design direction, maybe Acura is trying to get away from the stereotype? Perhaps, they no longer want to be the wallflower but the prom queen?
With the TL's radical design direction, maybe Acura is trying to get away from the stereotype? Perhaps, they no longer want to be the wallflower but the prom queen?
11-23-2008 | 02:23 PM
#73
Instructor
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I love coming on this forum for mod ideas for my TSX and to see others' rides, but man, the bias Acura fanatics give me a laugh every time. Don't get me wrong, I'd definitely take the TL over a G35/37, but it is still funny.
11-24-2008 | 09:26 PM
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