July Sales: TL Again Trumps Its Competitors
 

A4 - 3098

G Sedan - 3015
G Coupe - 1597

TL - 3309

The fact the G gives you more choice sedan & coupe. its still a G and it beat both of then easily

Hmmm...where are all the naysayers? Remember??? The guys back in October who said this was gonna be the end of Acura?:thumbsup:

sweeeet!!

lol @ G Sedan

WOW a major win for Infinity of + 1303 "G" cars sold over the TL. Thanks for the info P Doc.

^^^
The problem for Infiniti is that the G-line is their only model that sells in any significant volume. At least Acura has the TSX and MDX in addition to the TL.

If you throw in the A5 than maybe the Audi is the sales leader. Just becuase they give their coupe a different name means nothing. Or maybe if Infiniti called their coupe something else you wouldn't look at it like that. Do you see why you haters and your logic are all messed up? Acura obviously doesn't offer a coupe and last I checked and the TL is also the farthest thing from being similar to it's competitors in that segment, if you even consider putting it there to begin with.

Thats why nobody is comparing the A5 sales because it would be pointless. Comparing sales of the A4 SEDAN and TL SEDAN are relevant. Comparing sales of the A4 Sedan + A5 Coupe to the TL sedan is pointless. It's not hating, it's being reasonable. Maybe we should combine TSX and TL sales also. :rolleyes:

Where do the Lexus models stand?

What about the BMW 3 series sedans?

I believe the ES sold 4300 and the IS sold around 4000. The IS figures have been helped recently by the introduction of the convertible.

$30k tsx is going to add any value to TL. when practically there is nothing in common. A4/A5/Q5 is same platform/engines/cockpit with same sourced and same manufactuirng place. A5/Q5 is $50k category.

Exactly, the same thing can be said for any coupe in segment, which was my original point and also what you are saying. "Haters" being those who take the childish approach and say but the G's still won.

I don't call that a "trump."

Thank you for contributing a link that provided nothing to the subject of this thread. I raise your link to a subject that has equal relevance to your link: http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayof...ops/index.html

My bad. :tomato:

Some have asked about lexus/BMW sales in July. So here's the numbers:

ES - 4393

IS - 4029

3 Series - 7992 (probably 90% leases)

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It would be more meaningful to see how the major players are doing compared to same period last year. Has the TL gained or lost market share?

Ooops, I guess that's what the last post was showing - sorry- I didn't understand those numbers at first. My bad!

Wow, who knew the CTS was getting crushed so badly?

I think it's priced a little high once you're done with options.

The two cars really worth considering in this segment are the TL and the A4.

Are the 3 series numbers sedan only? or is the coupe part of that?

Something that always comes to my mind when I see these sales numbers after having driven everything on that list but the MKZ and S60 is why do the C-Class and ES even sell? Then I realize, some people buy BMW, Mercedes and Lexus cars just because... they're BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus...

3 Series
 

Unfortunately, BMW no longer differentiates its sales so the 3 Series #s are for the entire line.

That's a lot of cars sold for the 3-series.

....esp. considering the bad economy we're in.......go figure.

Childish is also calling someone who disagrees with you a hater. I like my BMW better then my TL but it does not mean I hate the TL I just like the other car more.

The TL is a very nice car & suits the purpose that I bought for very well. I am quite happy with it & don't need constant reaffirmation that I made a good buying choice.

The 4G is also a very nice car...would I ever buy one the way it stands now?

No. I just do not like the design. There are many other cars that I would not buy because I don't like the way they look.

Do I hate them? No, not any more then guys here who have criticize other cars designs staring with the Buick, in the thread that PeteTL started, or those who will spend $500 to a $1,000+ to change the grill/tail on the 4G when they buy it.

Sometimes it might be good for people calling others haters because of an opnion they hold to take a good look in the mirror.

dont u think if Acura was slightly profitable Honda would have abondoned or delayed. V8/RWD or even next generation platforms. Sales numbers are meaningless unless u have insight into AWD breakup/Price point/manufacturing process/R&D spending/curreny hedges for international content.
among BMW/Lexus/MB/Audi/Infiniti
Acura is the most affected. first it has delayed or abandoned V8/RWD/Forced induction/DI engines/International expansion/Model retanchment. RL sales are going into single digits. RDX will soon join it and than MDX. unsustainable path. than it will be dealer retanchment with sales numbers closer to infiniti/Audi. and all this things will effect resale value/customer service.

Good for you buddy but you don't see me bringing up silly irrelevant information to discredit a car I would not consider for purchase. It's not childish when someone is just trying to keep things honest and in perspective, in fact it's the opposite.

Your opinion is your own and you are respectively entitled to it but your specific comment was clearly not an opinion. You could of said good for Acura but I wont buy one, the bold design is not my style, or something along those lines and you wouldn't catch any beef, but you said nothing like that.

You are taking the term "hater" a little too literally and trying to turn the tables in the face of a legitimate defense which does not make it better and certainly doesn't make me childish. You don't like the 4G, you won't buy one, that's your god given right but then why the hell are you so up it's ass?

Because the acolytes & true believers responses are so much fun to read. Seems interesting to me that a family car could produce such reactions.

8k 3-series sold. wow

let's get this discussion back on topic- thanks.

these threads never end well....

While I can't take anything away from the 3 series numbers, I think it's important to noter that BMW's are almost all leases. Very few people actually buy BMW's. And this is particularly true of the 3 series.

It'd be interesting to see a comaprison of real sales between the 3 and the TL.

This is amazing news

Beef recall? Thread hijakced! :)

What difference does it make. The bottom line is units out the door to manufacturers and dealers.

I believe that's including the sedans, coupes, cab, and then M3 sedans, M3 coupes, and M3 cab.

I'd imagine 5k are sedans, 2k are coupes, 500 are cabs, and the rest are M3?

I don't know about your area, but man I do see a lot of M3's here...lol.

But then, when the 3G TL came out, the 3 series, IS, and Class are near the end of their model cycle. And the other cars weren't very competitive, like the CTS and IS.

I'd say the 3G TL was born in a good time when the economy was great and the competition wasn't too fierce. No such luck for the 4G TL. Many competitors are new and the economy is bad.

wow...but why...

Wow, the IS numbers have really improved over the last few years. I thought Lexus would have dropped the IS when the 1G sales numbers were much lower than the ES.

I'm really surprised to see how low the CTS is, and how well the TL is doing in this segment. If they restyle the frotn-end I wonder how much it could improve?:rolleyes:

+2, and I don't even like the 4G styling!

Interesting...I bought my BMW & two of my daughters bought theirs so I was not aware of the lease numbers.

It would be interesting to see the numbers, just how can you find this info out?

One other thought...I have never seen a purchase price add for a Acura, only lease numbers are published in the papers & on TV even back in 2006 when I bought mine. Why do you think that is?

I agree. Just got done car shopping between the 328i, G37, IS250, and TL. Fully loaded up versions of each were comparably priced except the 328. Best dealer I could do was $650/month on a $42k 328i. Money factor sucked. No dealer incentives in July. How the eff do they keep blowing those cars out the door? Wasn't even that fast. Handling was superior but that's about it. Do that many people just buy the badge?

Like I mentioned in my last post BEAR, I just got done shopping for a new car for my daughter to start college. The 328 was not a good deal right now. I was quoted $650/mth on a 15k 36m lease. I know the dealership manager and that was with him making around $1000 on the car. The MF is not that good and there's no dealer or consumer assistance right now. Actually ended up buying an IS250. Loaded up MSRP was $40k. Got it for $518/mth on a 15k 36m lease. The MF is ridiculous right now at 0.0004. The residual is dropping but still a respectable 50%

I suggested she get a TL because it's still the best car in that price range (IMO) but she didn't want it. Not cute enough I guess. :shrug: The IS is definitely a chick car. I can't argue with her there.

Of course they buy it for the badge! BMW and Mercedes represent Status and Prestige the world over.....obtaining a BMW or Mercedes means you've made it.....and it doesn't matter if you're in the USA, Europe or China.....and it's been that way for decades. I'm sure a good deal of those leasing BMW's most likely can't afford to purchase the car so they end up leasing it. BMW and Mercedes are status symbols. Acura is not....and never will be. And people like status symbols.

Pete, I hate to pick on you but you are completely wrong here.
You're going to make an assumption about every buyer of these cars? That's the most ridiculous statement you could possibly make.
Mercedes and BMW make some of the best cars in the world, period, so it's not just the badge which may account for their sales to a degree.
It's also wrong that you make the assumption that the buyers can't really afford them so they lease them, where did you come up with that data?
Acura is a status symbol as well by your argument, otherwise you would have purchased an Accord.........I'll leave it at that.:tomato:
Who cares who leased and who purchased anyway, my Acura TL is leased but there are psecific financial reasons why I chose that route.

Agree. leasing is generally no cheaper or expensive than purchasing. Just another way of financing the car. I do both. It depends on the deal. Sometimes a manufacturer will offer killer lease offers without doing the same on the finance/purchase side. Also, if you own a business (as I do) the tax benefits favor leasing since you can write off the entire years lease payments rather than just the sales tax and a predetermined depreciation schedule set by the IRS.

BMW's tend to be leased more often because BMW typically offers great lease programs with high residuals. That also happens to be true with Acura. Usually leasing is better than buying for Acura's. That is NOT the case with MB. Their lease deals stink.

I don't really see BMW or MB as a status symbol in itself. I see specific cars in those brands that way. When I see an SLR go by I say WOW there's a $500k car and I'm jealous! When I see a C300 go by I yawn and say, there goes another overpriced $32k shit box with vinyl seats. :ugh:

Having said that, I agree many do see those badges as more of a status symbol. I was just surprised to the degree it may be true after seeing those July numbers and knowing the current finance and lease offers BMW had on the table.

Wait, are we really comparing a 4G TL aka :ugh: Grill with the G37. That's a laugh.

BTW, if the 3-series aren't separating their coupe sales from their sedans, why is Infiniti?

I don't know about others but I think BMW should separate their coupe sales from their sedans. I think Infiniti is doing the right thing by separating the two. Kudos to Infiniti for that.

How can cars with reliability as terrible as BMW and Merc be amongst the best cars in the world? I don't understand it. It's somehow okay for my pals 5 series to lose a fuel pump 3 months into its lease but my lowly Accord with 200,000 miles on never needed anything more than standard maintenance.

I dont see the difference between a (comprably optioned) C class a 3 or a G37 being any more or less a status symbol than my TL. Same ball park price range and ultimately status is determined by the sticker.

I'll throw my 2 cents here. I think it's mostly due to the fact that most well-to-do and richier ppl tend to be older and they gravitate toward the german brands and luxury american ones because they grew up with those brands being the luxury brands». I think a huge part is due to pure demographic so it's mainly generational.

My friends and co-workers who are around 20-40 years old know that Acura, Infiniti and Lexus are luxury brands and they are informed about the models, prices, performances because they love and grew with japanese cars as much as the german or american ones. As for the older folks, they didn't grew up with Acuras, Lexus or Infiniti.

I wouldn't be surprised if in 20 years, the story repeats itself with newer brands...

This is only my 2 cents, not a sociological case study...:tongue:
-YetiTL

Yep and the older still remember how Honda was just a simple econobox brand that slowly started cutting into the US automotive industry as did other Japanese automakers. No matter what these brands do they will always be viewed from that filter of econobox to many of these close minded individuals. Too bad for them.

You guys are still off base in my opinion, the reliability of a fuel pump isn't the basis for the discusion here. You can't compare the Acura line up as a whole to the BMW or Mercedes line up as a whole was my point, take a look at some of the cars the German's are making from top to bottom and compare.
I'm considering a BMW 3 series myself, I like my current TL but my lease is up in 12 months and don't care for the new TL personally to be honest.
So I'm sure there are others in the market thinking the same thing which may account for the higher numbers not to mention the 3 series is consistently rated the best car in it's class.