PsychDoc

A4 - 3098

G Sedan - 3015
G Coupe - 1597

TL - 3309

Eric Allen

The fact the G gives you more choice sedan & coupe. its still a G and it beat both of then easily

CraigMacDTA

Hmmm...where are all the naysayers? Remember??? The guys back in October who said this was gonna be the end of Acura?

Shambu

sweeeet!!

4G Express

lol @ G Sedan

BEAR-AvHistory

WOW a major win for Infinity of + 1303 "G" cars sold over the TL. Thanks for the info P Doc.

JD23

^^^
The problem for Infiniti is that the G-line is their only model that sells in any significant volume. At least Acura has the TSX and MDX in addition to the TL.

winstrolvtec

If you throw in the A5 than maybe the Audi is the sales leader. Just becuase they give their coupe a different name means nothing. Or maybe if Infiniti called their coupe something else you wouldn't look at it like that. Do you see why you haters and your logic are all messed up? Acura obviously doesn't offer a coupe and last I checked and the TL is also the farthest thing from being similar to it's competitors in that segment, if you even consider putting it there to begin with.

VTEC Racer

Thats why nobody is comparing the A5 sales because it would be pointless. Comparing sales of the A4 SEDAN and TL SEDAN are relevant. Comparing sales of the A4 Sedan + A5 Coupe to the TL sedan is pointless. It's not hating, it's being reasonable. Maybe we should combine TSX and TL sales also.

CleanCL

iTrader: (4)

Where do the Lexus models stand?

PetesTL

What about the BMW 3 series sedans?

JD23

I believe the ES sold 4300 and the IS sold around 4000. The IS figures have been helped recently by the introduction of the convertible.

SSFTSX

$30k tsx is going to add any value to TL. when practically there is nothing in common. A4/A5/Q5 is same platform/engines/cockpit with same sourced and same manufactuirng place. A5/Q5 is $50k category.

winstrolvtec

Exactly, the same thing can be said for any coupe in segment, which was my original point and also what you are saying. "Haters" being those who take the childish approach and say but the G's still won.

CL6

I don't call that a "trump."

VTEC Racer

Thank you for contributing a link that provided nothing to the subject of this thread. I raise your link to a subject that has equal relevance to your link: http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayof...ops/index.html

VTEC Racer

My bad.

PsychDoc

Some have asked about lexus/BMW sales in July. So here's the numbers:

ES - 4393

IS - 4029

3 Series - 7992 (probably 90% leases)

TSX69

Here is a more thorough look @ the entry level market. The TL is doing fine but definitely not great when 1 considers that it is a brand new vehicle & especially when compared to the success of the 3rd generation. Still, its sales are doing better than a lot of people on the net predicted:

3 Series - 7,992; -29.0%
C Class - 4,450; -28.7%
ES - 4,393; -21.0%
IS - 4,029; -15.2%
TL - 3,309; -16.5%
A4 - 3,098; -11.0%
G sedan - 3,015; -8.7% (coupe: 1,597; +0.9%)
CTS - 2,383; -45.7%
TSX - 2,232; -35.8%
MKZ - 1,532; -34.3%
S60 - 1,461; +257.2%

jjsC5

It would be more meaningful to see how the major players are doing compared to same period last year. Has the TL gained or lost market share?

Ooops, I guess that's what the last post was showing - sorry- I didn't understand those numbers at first. My bad!

PsychDoc

Wow, who knew the CTS was getting crushed so badly?

I think it's priced a little high once you're done with options.

The two cars really worth considering in this segment are the TL and the A4.

CleanCL

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Are the 3 series numbers sedan only? or is the coupe part of that?

Haelous

Something that always comes to my mind when I see these sales numbers after having driven everything on that list but the MKZ and S60 is why do the C-Class and ES even sell? Then I realize, some people buy BMW, Mercedes and Lexus cars just because... they're BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus...

TSX69

Unfortunately, BMW no longer differentiates its sales so the 3 Series #s are for the entire line.

guytdt

That's a lot of cars sold for the 3-series.

PetesTL

....esp. considering the bad economy we're in.......go figure.

BEAR-AvHistory

Childish is also calling someone who disagrees with you a hater. I like my BMW better then my TL but it does not mean I hate the TL I just like the other car more.

The TL is a very nice car & suits the purpose that I bought for very well. I am quite happy with it & don't need constant reaffirmation that I made a good buying choice.

The 4G is also a very nice car...would I ever buy one the way it stands now?

No. I just do not like the design. There are many other cars that I would not buy because I don't like the way they look.

Do I hate them? No, not any more then guys here who have criticize other cars designs staring with the Buick, in the thread that PeteTL started, or those who will spend $500 to a $1,000+ to change the grill/tail on the 4G when they buy it.

Sometimes it might be good for people calling others haters because of an opnion they hold to take a good look in the mirror.

SSFTSX

dont u think if Acura was slightly profitable Honda would have abondoned or delayed. V8/RWD or even next generation platforms. Sales numbers are meaningless unless u have insight into AWD breakup/Price point/manufacturing process/R&D spending/curreny hedges for international content.
among BMW/Lexus/MB/Audi/Infiniti
Acura is the most affected. first it has delayed or abandoned V8/RWD/Forced induction/DI engines/International expansion/Model retanchment. RL sales are going into single digits. RDX will soon join it and than MDX. unsustainable path. than it will be dealer retanchment with sales numbers closer to infiniti/Audi. and all this things will effect resale value/customer service.

winstrolvtec

Good for you buddy but you don't see me bringing up silly irrelevant information to discredit a car I would not consider for purchase. It's not childish when someone is just trying to keep things honest and in perspective, in fact it's the opposite.

Your opinion is your own and you are respectively entitled to it but your specific comment was clearly not an opinion. You could of said good for Acura but I wont buy one, the bold design is not my style, or something along those lines and you wouldn't catch any beef, but you said nothing like that.

You are taking the term "hater" a little too literally and trying to turn the tables in the face of a legitimate defense which does not make it better and certainly doesn't make me childish. You don't like the 4G, you won't buy one, that's your god given right but then why the hell are you so up it's ass?

BEAR-AvHistory

Because the acolytes & true believers responses are so much fun to read. Seems interesting to me that a family car could produce such reactions.

SG81

iTrader: (1)

8k 3-series sold. wow

ggesq

iTrader: (1)

let's get this discussion back on topic- thanks.

these threads never end well....

PsychDoc

While I can't take anything away from the 3 series numbers, I think it's important to noter that BMW's are almost all leases. Very few people actually buy BMW's. And this is particularly true of the 3 series.

It'd be interesting to see a comaprison of real sales between the 3 and the TL.

4G Express

This is amazing news

VTEC Racer

http://www.ktvu.com/news/20299541/detail.html

docboy

Beef recall? Thread hijakced!

ssim3

What difference does it make. The bottom line is units out the door to manufacturers and dealers.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

I believe that's including the sedans, coupes, cab, and then M3 sedans, M3 coupes, and M3 cab.

I'd imagine 5k are sedans, 2k are coupes, 500 are cabs, and the rest are M3?

I don't know about your area, but man I do see a lot of M3's here...lol.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

But then, when the 3G TL came out, the 3 series, IS, and Class are near the end of their model cycle. And the other cars weren't very competitive, like the CTS and IS.

I'd say the 3G TL was born in a good time when the economy was great and the competition wasn't too fierce. No such luck for the 4G TL. Many competitors are new and the economy is bad.

TL1999

wow...but why...