Is everyone waiting for the SH-AWD TL?
10-07-2008, 05:28 PM
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+760(delivery) = 42,995
still an amazing price for what you get IMO. i'm not sure why people think this is priced too high. car prices rise as per the norm, and with the added features... you can throw it up again Infiniti/BMW all day long, but you won't get the reliability that Acura provides.
still an amazing price for what you get IMO. i'm not sure why people think this is priced too high. car prices rise as per the norm, and with the added features... you can throw it up again Infiniti/BMW all day long, but you won't get the reliability that Acura provides.
The NSX will be worth waiting for!
10-07-2008, 06:36 PM
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what makes my comment invalid and the acura salesman's valid? have YOU driven the awd model? how do YOU know? i've driven the 3.5L RL AWD and the GS350 AWD. the GS350 is almost indentical in power and weight as the 4G TL AWD. i also drove the FWD 4G TL. i'll let you guess which one 'felt' faster.
10-07-2008, 06:57 PM
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Waiting for the 2010 SH-AWD.
10-07-2008, 07:32 PM
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Obviously I haven't driven the G37 sedan or the 7-speed transmission but the 5AT in the G35 had absolutely no issues. My 3G TL 6MT has absolutely no vibration either, but when I test drove an '07 G35S sedan 6MT and an '08 G37 6MT coupe back-to-back, the shifter was vibrating like a dildo! 
It got super annoying during both test drives. I don't know how much I could tolerate it if I had bought either. It's too bad that Nissan didn't upgrade the torque because even the IS350 has higher torque numbers. It's a really good engine line, the VQ, I just don't know how come Nissan spent all its attention on the hp numbers and nothing else.
It got super annoying during both test drives. I don't know how much I could tolerate it if I had bought either. It's too bad that Nissan didn't upgrade the torque because even the IS350 has higher torque numbers. It's a really good engine line, the VQ, I just don't know how come Nissan spent all its attention on the hp numbers and nothing else.
10-07-2008, 07:53 PM
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i'm not recommending to buy a 350 awd over the FWD TL. i'm just saying the 350 awd will probably perform similarly to the awd TL, and by that it will outperform a FWD TL. sport and sedan should never be put into the same category though many people like to do it.
10-07-2008, 09:59 PM
#49
Drifting
Did you read the Edmunds review of the SH-AWD + MT?
I think that you may be partly right if you are just looking at 0-60 numbers. However, performance is so much more than that. In fact, the recent Edmunds review of the 2010 SH-AWD + 6MT showed that the TL really was better than any of its competitors in the performance category, including some tough competitors too! I suggest that you take a look at that article and you may just change your mind.
10-07-2008, 10:22 PM
#50
Three Wheelin'
I don't understand why you would compare a Lexus GS350 AWD to a TL in the first place. Do you have any idea what these cars cost? A Lexus GS 350 AWD STARTS at over $44K....well above what a loaded TL SH-AWD tops out at. Once you start to add options (NAV, etc) to equip it similarly to a TL, the Lexus will sticker over $51K! How the GS performs against the TL becomes irrelevant at this point because they no longer compete in the same class. Now going back to an earlier argument....I have no doubt the SH-AWD version will outhandle the FWD, esp. when the road gets twisty.....but given the extra weight and from what I heard from those who have actually driven the cars, the SH-AWD TL isn't that much faster than the FWD version. Preliminary numbers from Acura say about 0.3-0.4 sec faster from 0-60 in AWD version, but we'll have to wait and see what the actual numbers are from real world testing.
10-07-2008, 10:41 PM
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I'm sure repairing those failing twin-turbos will be a real bargain.
No thanks.
10-07-2008, 10:46 PM
#52
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I lease all my cars and get rid of them every 2-3 years ...........never need to wait for a headache.
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10-07-2008, 10:55 PM
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Any car will hold together during that short time period.
Go for another BMW and let the next poor *bastid* pay the the repair bills.
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10-07-2008, 11:03 PM
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Of course reliability is a factor....when I leased a 2002 BMW X5, it was plagued with all sorts of minor, but irritating electrical problems. It didn't cost me anything to repair them, but the inconvenience and time lost taking the car back and forth to the dealer was aggravating. I hope my 4G stays problem-free for the next couple years during my lease......and from the research I've done on prior G TL's, I'm not worried.
10-07-2008, 11:45 PM
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Who in their right mind would knowingly tolerate unreliability like that -- let alone pay a hefty premium for the privilege?
Apparently, it's not only Range Rover people who let prestige trump common sense.
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10-08-2008, 07:51 AM
#56
I don't understand why you would compare a Lexus GS350 AWD to a TL in the first place. Do you have any idea what these cars cost? A Lexus GS 350 AWD STARTS at over $44K....well above what a loaded TL SH-AWD tops out at. Once you start to add options (NAV, etc) to equip it similarly to a TL, the Lexus will sticker over $51K! How the GS performs against the TL becomes irrelevant at this point because they no longer compete in the same class. Now going back to an earlier argument....I have no doubt the SH-AWD version will outhandle the FWD, esp. when the road gets twisty.....but given the extra weight and from what I heard from those who have actually driven the cars, the SH-AWD TL isn't that much faster than the FWD version. Preliminary numbers from Acura say about 0.3-0.4 sec faster from 0-60 in AWD version, but we'll have to wait and see what the actual numbers are from real world testing.
People say it's priced too high at 43k, but if you look at the track record, interior, and features it's priced below the vehicles it competes with. And BMW and MB was never a thought in my mind, I know too many people with them, and I've heard way too many stories, and the high maintenance isn't worth it.
With all that said, my simple statement was that I believe the AWD TL will outperform the FWD TL. This isn't as much opinion, as it is logic. But you seem a bit disgruntled, just be happy with your purchase, I'm not talking down to your car, I believe it's still a great value. If I didn't live in the northeast with snow and bad weather, I wouldn't even think about an AWD car.
10-08-2008, 07:56 AM
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I think that you may be partly right if you are just looking at 0-60 numbers. However, performance is so much more than that. In fact, the recent Edmunds review of the 2010 SH-AWD + 6MT showed that the TL really was better than any of its competitors in the performance category, including some tough competitors too! I suggest that you take a look at that article and you may just change your mind.
but then there's the blurred mix of 2 door sport luxury vehicles, and i'm not really sure where they sit. lol.
10-08-2008, 08:36 AM
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I love my 3G TL but do not think I would even consider the 4G TL.
I "might" consider the SH-AWD with 6MT and an aftermarket nose. Nothing less. But, in all likeliehood, I will probably get a 2005 Corvette w/the Z51 suspension. That can had in the high 20's now. I no longer need a sedan anyway.
I "might" consider the SH-AWD with 6MT and an aftermarket nose. Nothing less. But, in all likeliehood, I will probably get a 2005 Corvette w/the Z51 suspension. That can had in the high 20's now. I no longer need a sedan anyway.
10-08-2008, 08:42 AM
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I'm going to test drive the SH-AWD 6 mt but it will be very hard to give up my '05 TL with only 37k and all the mods I installed that fit me like a glove....not having a car payment will also be hard to deal with....
10-08-2008, 04:17 PM
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i'm in the market for an AWD sedan, and my ceiling is about 50k, so i was looking at the GS350 AWD, RL, TL AWD, A4 3.2, G35x, etc. My 2 brands of choice are lexus and acura. A 2008 GS350AWD is discounted below into TL AWD territory. But IMO the TL AWD is the best bang for buck out there, which is why I have one on order. You guys get so defensive about your 4G TL, I'm not talking bad about it. In my opinion, even though the GS350 costs more, I sat/drove both, I think the TL is right up there in terms of luxury and features (minus some minor things like cooled seats and retractable mirrors).
People say it's priced too high at 43k, but if you look at the track record, interior, and features it's priced below the vehicles it competes with. And BMW and MB was never a thought in my mind, I know too many people with them, and I've heard way too many stories, and the high maintenance isn't worth it.
With all that said, my simple statement was that I believe the AWD TL will outperform the FWD TL. This isn't as much opinion, as it is logic. But you seem a bit disgruntled, just be happy with your purchase, I'm not talking down to your car, I believe it's still a great value. If I didn't live in the northeast with snow and bad weather, I wouldn't even think about an AWD car.
People say it's priced too high at 43k, but if you look at the track record, interior, and features it's priced below the vehicles it competes with. And BMW and MB was never a thought in my mind, I know too many people with them, and I've heard way too many stories, and the high maintenance isn't worth it.
With all that said, my simple statement was that I believe the AWD TL will outperform the FWD TL. This isn't as much opinion, as it is logic. But you seem a bit disgruntled, just be happy with your purchase, I'm not talking down to your car, I believe it's still a great value. If I didn't live in the northeast with snow and bad weather, I wouldn't even think about an AWD car.
10-10-2008, 10:25 PM
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I'm waiting for the awd because of the umber if they had that interior in the base model I would buy the base and try to get the standard rims from the sh-awd since it looks pretty good
10-10-2008, 10:47 PM
#62
Three Wheelin'
I hear you, and you are definately right. You have done your research and I applaud you for taking that initiative. I have been watching Pete's remarks about this web site and I understand his defense. he was one of the first to purchase and post on a 4G. He hasn't had the opportunity to drive the AWD because it isnt out yet and his money is spent. I say, there is no need to be on the defense if you are content with what you spent. (it even rhymes) Im sure there may be a small fear that the AWD might push past the FWD and the wait would have been worth it. But I speak for the people that KNOW whats out there and got what they could afford without making haste. (Not bashing you Pete, Im a real fan)
10-11-2008, 02:36 AM
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They advertised and advertised the hp rating of their new cars. But, they then never mention the extra weight of that newer model. And, I am not picking on Acura.... all of automakers do it.
Real improvements in performance (better hp/weight ratios) are hard to find in this era. This is why I accomplished it myself with the TL Diet.
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