Considering a TL...
10-07-2009 | 07:53 PM
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Don't get me wrong, all these cars are good but each offer distinction that is preferable by the individual and until we know more about what the OP's priorities are and what he likes than it will be hard to make a decision for him, which ultimately he will need to decide anyway.
The CC and Maxima have a more premium feel to them compared to the Accord but it comes at an average premium of $10k and none are considered a luxury make anyway. IMO too much of a higher price in relation too little more in offering. Again, the Accord may not be as premium as either of those other two vehicles but the Passat and Altima are not really as premium as the Accord and the CC and Maxima don't seem as premium as the TL to me, more like the TSX.
It would be the most obvious and recommended downgrade coming from an RL to suggest a TL SH-AWD, which should be looked at as being much more than just an AWD version model car in comparison to the others. It offers the most sport capability on all levels vs all the others as well as having the better platform for almost any individual preference and available 6MT. This is of course on top of what any Acura already provides over any non luxury premium model. When considering all those things and the small premium that comes with it and no real strict budget in place than most would agree here, but if those things don't entice one from the start and they could do with saving more money than I would not suggest that.
Now if that is established as being out of price range officially by the OP and the Maxima loaded can actually be acquired by the OP for the normal discounted amount than that puts the TSX, TSX V6, TL FWD, and Maxima up for discussion and suggestion being that we can rule out the other cars.
I know most of the list included leasing and if done within 36 months than warranty is not a big concern but if it is for buying or longer lease term than the Acura offers a better warranty with full converge at 4yr/50k vs 3yrs/36k, If that is a priority than so is reliability and most will say Acura is arguably the better in that regard. Important to note here that the CC offers a full 4yr warrnaty as well. That may also open up an option for one to allow for a 4 year lease making it cheaper monthly or in comparison to, that is if your objective was to only lease it for the term and simply return it.
Another thing I would look into is what the car was actually going to run monthly, in addition to selling price, especially when leasing. Sometimes a more expensive car can actually lease better making the payments more similar than expected or even cheaper when compared to less expensive vehicle. Payments often vary greatly even in the case of near identical sales prices so just be aware of that. Being that most of the discounts are likely based on 09 models keep in mind what the 10 model discounts are and how they price out as well.
The CC and Maxima have a more premium feel to them compared to the Accord but it comes at an average premium of $10k and none are considered a luxury make anyway. IMO too much of a higher price in relation too little more in offering. Again, the Accord may not be as premium as either of those other two vehicles but the Passat and Altima are not really as premium as the Accord and the CC and Maxima don't seem as premium as the TL to me, more like the TSX.
It would be the most obvious and recommended downgrade coming from an RL to suggest a TL SH-AWD, which should be looked at as being much more than just an AWD version model car in comparison to the others. It offers the most sport capability on all levels vs all the others as well as having the better platform for almost any individual preference and available 6MT. This is of course on top of what any Acura already provides over any non luxury premium model. When considering all those things and the small premium that comes with it and no real strict budget in place than most would agree here, but if those things don't entice one from the start and they could do with saving more money than I would not suggest that.
Now if that is established as being out of price range officially by the OP and the Maxima loaded can actually be acquired by the OP for the normal discounted amount than that puts the TSX, TSX V6, TL FWD, and Maxima up for discussion and suggestion being that we can rule out the other cars.
I know most of the list included leasing and if done within 36 months than warranty is not a big concern but if it is for buying or longer lease term than the Acura offers a better warranty with full converge at 4yr/50k vs 3yrs/36k, If that is a priority than so is reliability and most will say Acura is arguably the better in that regard. Important to note here that the CC offers a full 4yr warrnaty as well. That may also open up an option for one to allow for a 4 year lease making it cheaper monthly or in comparison to, that is if your objective was to only lease it for the term and simply return it.
Another thing I would look into is what the car was actually going to run monthly, in addition to selling price, especially when leasing. Sometimes a more expensive car can actually lease better making the payments more similar than expected or even cheaper when compared to less expensive vehicle. Payments often vary greatly even in the case of near identical sales prices so just be aware of that. Being that most of the discounts are likely based on 09 models keep in mind what the 10 model discounts are and how they price out as well.
These are some avg numbers. I have been quoted some better and some worse but according to leasing sites these are the payments with only first payment due at signing for 36mon 15kmi.
Infiniti G37X NAV Lease - $547.38 Total Monthly Cost To Drive -$870.16
Acura TL TECH - $544.90 Total Monthly Cost To Drive -$867.84
Nissan Maxima LOADED - $474.71 Total Monthly Cost To Drive -$779.79
So G37 and TL are the same price and the maxima comes in at $90 less...
10-08-2009 | 12:03 AM
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^ I agreee that seems like a bit much. I know an 09 would lease horribly right now even if you stole it but we won't know why you were qouted that unless we break it down. I am positive one can get into a 2010 SH somehere in the low to mid $500.00 range provided they managed invoice pricing and the same thing goes for an 09 but for under invoice instead.
10-08-2009 | 07:11 AM
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Infiniti G37X NAV Lease - $547.38 Total Monthly Cost To Drive -$870.16
Acura TL TECH - $544.90 Total Monthly Cost To Drive -$867.84
Nissan Maxima LOADED - $474.71 Total Monthly Cost To Drive -$779.79
So G37 and TL are the same price and the maxima comes in at $90 less...
Acura TL TECH - $544.90 Total Monthly Cost To Drive -$867.84
Nissan Maxima LOADED - $474.71 Total Monthly Cost To Drive -$779.79
So G37 and TL are the same price and the maxima comes in at $90 less...
10-08-2009 | 08:37 AM
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Honestly ... i would probably keep the RL and drive it into the ground ... since its a very well built car, and after you get tires, brakes and timing belt, the car will still run very well for a longgg time ... if you must switch cars ... i would say buy a 07/08 tl s ... it has almost everything the 05 RL has except AWD ... so you wont really feel the downgrade ... just my 2 cents
X 2. No matter how you crunch the numbers, this is your most economical choice by a LONG SHOT. Your RL has less than 100,000 miles and is probably good for at least twice that. Assuming you have taken reasonable care of it, you could dump $6-7k in tires, timing belt and pulleys, water pump, plugs, wires and whatever misc. stuff it needs and still have a better, more reliable car than most, and bank the payment for another couple of years. You already saved a bunch by letting someone else take the hit on initial depreciation on your RL.
Why put the money into a reliable car like an RL in the first place if you're going to get rid of it every couple of years when the warranty runs out?
10-08-2009 | 03:00 PM
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The features in the maxima is what attracts me to it. Plus its similar size and power as my RL.
I can't pay +$30k for a hyundai and I read a lot of issues with the genesis.
I don't think I will get the volvo because it is not sporty enough. But they are giving them away right now. $34-35K I could get a well equipped one.
I'm not even looking at the vw cc because of their poor reliability.
I can't pay +$30k for a hyundai and I read a lot of issues with the genesis.
I don't think I will get the volvo because it is not sporty enough. But they are giving them away right now. $34-35K I could get a well equipped one.
I'm not even looking at the vw cc because of their poor reliability.
Having said that, being you have owned basically all Asian brands I would also recommend staying away from VW as there is nothing worse than owning a new car and having that reliability perception in the back of your mind.......Too bad though because on a side note VW has free maintenance for 3 years which would really help lower your total monthly cost too drive.
Thanks for the reply. I'm looking for a car that is as similar to my RL as possible while being around $500/mon. I have a 4yr old that will be in the back seat, but I also like to have a little fun on my way to work.
These are some avg numbers. I have been quoted some better and some worse but according to leasing sites these are the payments with only first payment due at signing for 36mon 15kmi.
Infiniti G37X NAV Lease - $547.38 Total Monthly Cost To Drive -$870.16
Acura TL TECH - $544.90 Total Monthly Cost To Drive -$867.84
Nissan Maxima LOADED - $474.71 Total Monthly Cost To Drive -$779.79
So G37 and TL are the same price and the maxima comes in at $90 less...
These are some avg numbers. I have been quoted some better and some worse but according to leasing sites these are the payments with only first payment due at signing for 36mon 15kmi.
Infiniti G37X NAV Lease - $547.38 Total Monthly Cost To Drive -$870.16
Acura TL TECH - $544.90 Total Monthly Cost To Drive -$867.84
Nissan Maxima LOADED - $474.71 Total Monthly Cost To Drive -$779.79
So G37 and TL are the same price and the maxima comes in at $90 less...
On a side note I saw a 2010 Black/Black Loaded Maxima the other night with the optional spoiler and it looked very luxurious and yet sporty, much more than the 4G TL......but thats just one opinion as looks are very subjective.
10-08-2009 | 03:25 PM
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A 600 loan payment, That's like a $32-33k loan amount, you would have had to put down thousands.
10-08-2009 | 03:28 PM
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X 2. No matter how you crunch the numbers, this is your most economical choice by a LONG SHOT. Your RL has less than 100,000 miles and is probably good for at least twice that. Assuming you have taken reasonable care of it, you could dump $6-7k in tires, timing belt and pulleys, water pump, plugs, wires and whatever misc. stuff it needs and still have a better, more reliable car than most, and bank the payment for another couple of years. You already saved a bunch by letting someone else take the hit on initial depreciation on your RL.
Why put the money into a reliable car like an RL in the first place if you're going to get rid of it every couple of years when the warranty runs out?
Why put the money into a reliable car like an RL in the first place if you're going to get rid of it every couple of years when the warranty runs out?
10-08-2009 | 03:38 PM
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I do like the maxima on paper. The size price and options are appealing. But I haven't driven it yet. I am also very considered with the fact it only has a 36k warranty and I'd be getting a 45k mi lease. Which is starting to sway me to the more expensive acura or infiniti.
10-08-2009 | 04:03 PM
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I do like the maxima on paper. The size price and options are appealing. But I haven't driven it yet. I am also very considered with the fact it only has a 36k warranty and I'd be getting a 45k mi lease. Which is starting to sway me to the more expensive acura or infiniti.
10-08-2009 | 04:17 PM
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Oh I didnt realise you havent driven or looked at a new Maxima yet. I would definately go look at one first and i wouldnt be too concerned about the warrenty. If you where to start dealing on a Maxima I would also negotiate the cost of an extended warranty into the deal if it was that big of a concern to you. I remember doing that lots when i was selling cars and there is generally lots of markup in extended warrenty sales, so there is room to move on them if you find a motivated dealer.
10-08-2009 | 04:33 PM
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Ok briny I got some real #'s for you. An 09 TL Tech FWD at invoice pricing will run you $477 a month for 15k a year at 36 months, keep in mind some are getting an even better sales price. A 10' TL SH AWD w Tech at invoice will run $550 a month an 09 below invoice will run nearly the same.
A 10' Maxima Loaded brings you to the monthly price you were already quoted and works out to resemble invoice, a heavier discounted 09 would look relatively the same in payment.
These figures don't include taxes, fees, or any form of down payment and are rough estimates, it mostly is going to depend on the deal you get but they are all set to invoice and 15k miles so you can get an idea of how they relate to each other.
A 10' Maxima Loaded brings you to the monthly price you were already quoted and works out to resemble invoice, a heavier discounted 09 would look relatively the same in payment.
These figures don't include taxes, fees, or any form of down payment and are rough estimates, it mostly is going to depend on the deal you get but they are all set to invoice and 15k miles so you can get an idea of how they relate to each other.
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10-08-2009 | 05:17 PM
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Ok briny I got some real #'s for you. An 09 TL Tech FWD at invoice pricing will run you $477 a month for 15k a year at 36 months, keep in mind some are getting an even better sales price. A 10' TL SH AWD w Tech at invoice will run $550 a month an 09 below invoice will run nearly the same.
A 10' Maxima Loaded brings you to the monthly price you were already quoted and works out to resemble invoice, a heavier discounted 09 would look relatively the same in payment.
These figures don't include taxes, fees, or any form of down payment and are rough estimates, it mostly is going to depend on the deal you get but they are all set to invoice and 15k miles so you can get an idea of how they relate to each other.
A 10' Maxima Loaded brings you to the monthly price you were already quoted and works out to resemble invoice, a heavier discounted 09 would look relatively the same in payment.
These figures don't include taxes, fees, or any form of down payment and are rough estimates, it mostly is going to depend on the deal you get but they are all set to invoice and 15k miles so you can get an idea of how they relate to each other.
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