Car and Driver-May 2012 comparison
04-17-2012, 03:12 PM
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04-17-2012, 03:13 PM
#122
Im not sure why you created this thread if you get so upset because people have a different opinion. People here have provided facts and links supporting their opinion but It seems like you where hoping for people to grab the Acura banner and fall in blindly behind you. I think your starting to realise that there are auto enthusiasts here and not just people drinking kool-aid.
I would imagine we all own a specific brand car, some multiple but that doesn't mean we are enthusiats because we own the car, we own the car because we are enthusiats.
I think some of you guys need to check yourselves out when it comes to the anti-Acura/TL sentiment as opposed to all of us being blind fan boys, flag in hand just because we disagree as auto enthusiats. Remember who it is that attempting to label who while at the same time participating at a fan dedicated forum while having already established that you do not care for the particular vehicle.
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04-17-2012, 03:17 PM
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I understand what your trying to say and I even agree with a few of your comments, but obviously not all of them.
"Bear" has already clearly shown that if you look at the scoring in the comparo, the BMW actually had a disavantage buy being fully loaded and at a higher price point over a couple models, therefore losing some points overall.
I even provided you a link to a very similar comparo recently done by Motor Trend that clearly explains their decision when scoring the same loaded 328i in their test. I really dont understand how you can call people closed minded when you even admitted you couldnt open the link to read the article i provided....talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
In 2009 Car and Driver did a similar comparo where the 4G TL was included and it came in dead last. Over the last few years the TL has mostly come in behind vehicles like the A4, etc so who knows why it wasnt in the comparo. Maybe Car and Driver didnt want the vehicle there as it didnt meet the criteria for their test (Like Bear-Av has already explained) or maybe Acura didnt want any bad press against the 4G again and refused to give them a press vehicle which has happened to other mags and manufactuers in the past.
You have to understand that the majority of these mags are at the mercy of what the manufactuer PR teams have avaliable or want to give the mags. Its not like they wander onto some dealers lot and grab what they want all of the time.
Im not sure why you created this thread if you get so upset because people have a different opinion. People here have provided facts and links supporting their opinion but It seems like you where hoping for people to grab the Acura banner and fall in blindly behind you. I think your starting to realise that there are auto enthusiasts here and not just people drinking kool-aid.
"Bear" has already clearly shown that if you look at the scoring in the comparo, the BMW actually had a disavantage buy being fully loaded and at a higher price point over a couple models, therefore losing some points overall.
I even provided you a link to a very similar comparo recently done by Motor Trend that clearly explains their decision when scoring the same loaded 328i in their test. I really dont understand how you can call people closed minded when you even admitted you couldnt open the link to read the article i provided....talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
In 2009 Car and Driver did a similar comparo where the 4G TL was included and it came in dead last. Over the last few years the TL has mostly come in behind vehicles like the A4, etc so who knows why it wasnt in the comparo. Maybe Car and Driver didnt want the vehicle there as it didnt meet the criteria for their test (Like Bear-Av has already explained) or maybe Acura didnt want any bad press against the 4G again and refused to give them a press vehicle which has happened to other mags and manufactuers in the past.
You have to understand that the majority of these mags are at the mercy of what the manufactuer PR teams have avaliable or want to give the mags. Its not like they wander onto some dealers lot and grab what they want all of the time.
Im not sure why you created this thread if you get so upset because people have a different opinion. People here have provided facts and links supporting their opinion but It seems like you where hoping for people to grab the Acura banner and fall in blindly behind you. I think your starting to realise that there are auto enthusiasts here and not just people drinking kool-aid.
MY POINT IS HOW CAN THE ARTICLE CLAIM A WINNER WHEN THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE ALL OF THE PLAYERS.
how come you don't have a car???
04-17-2012, 03:18 PM
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04-17-2012, 03:19 PM
#125
Racer
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Threads don't prove anything.
04-17-2012, 03:26 PM
#126
Racer
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I understand what your trying to say and I even agree with a few of your comments, but obviously not all of them.
"Bear" has already clearly shown that if you look at the scoring in the comparo, the BMW actually had a disavantage buy being fully loaded and at a higher price point over a couple models, therefore losing some points overall.
I even provided you a link to a very similar comparo recently done by Motor Trend that clearly explains their decision when scoring the same loaded 328i in their test. I really dont understand how you can call people closed minded when you even admitted you couldnt open the link to read the article i provided....talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
In 2009 Car and Driver did a similar comparo where the 4G TL was included and it came in dead last. Over the last few years the TL has mostly come in behind vehicles like the A4, etc so who knows why it wasnt in the comparo. Maybe Car and Driver didnt want the vehicle there as it didnt meet the criteria for their test (Like Bear-Av has already explained) or maybe Acura didnt want any bad press against the 4G again and refused to give them a press vehicle which has happened to other mags and manufactuers in the past.
You have to understand that the majority of these mags are at the mercy of what the manufactuer PR teams have avaliable or want to give the mags. Its not like they wander onto some dealers lot and grab what they want all of the time.
Im not sure why you created this thread if you get so upset because people have a different opinion. People here have provided facts and links supporting their opinion but It seems like you where hoping for people to grab the Acura banner and fall in blindly behind you. I think your starting to realise that there are auto enthusiasts here and not just people drinking kool-aid.
"Bear" has already clearly shown that if you look at the scoring in the comparo, the BMW actually had a disavantage buy being fully loaded and at a higher price point over a couple models, therefore losing some points overall.
I even provided you a link to a very similar comparo recently done by Motor Trend that clearly explains their decision when scoring the same loaded 328i in their test. I really dont understand how you can call people closed minded when you even admitted you couldnt open the link to read the article i provided....talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
In 2009 Car and Driver did a similar comparo where the 4G TL was included and it came in dead last. Over the last few years the TL has mostly come in behind vehicles like the A4, etc so who knows why it wasnt in the comparo. Maybe Car and Driver didnt want the vehicle there as it didnt meet the criteria for their test (Like Bear-Av has already explained) or maybe Acura didnt want any bad press against the 4G again and refused to give them a press vehicle which has happened to other mags and manufactuers in the past.
You have to understand that the majority of these mags are at the mercy of what the manufactuer PR teams have avaliable or want to give the mags. Its not like they wander onto some dealers lot and grab what they want all of the time.
Im not sure why you created this thread if you get so upset because people have a different opinion. People here have provided facts and links supporting their opinion but It seems like you where hoping for people to grab the Acura banner and fall in blindly behind you. I think your starting to realise that there are auto enthusiasts here and not just people drinking kool-aid.
I just wanted to discuss how c&d didn't do this article any justice by stating the bmw won with the clear ommision of other competing vehicles. C&D should be embarressed publishing this kind of article
04-17-2012, 03:30 PM
#127
Racer
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^^^ Remember at one point, Acura transmissions were falling out of the car.
Regarding the sales bump, was Acura offering incentives for January?
I do agree, you can protest CD/RT/etc by cancelling your subscriptions and writing the editors.
You can look at sales rankings on goodcarbadcar.net and see what the relative rankings are of the 3 series, G, TL, etc.
Regarding the sales bump, was Acura offering incentives for January?
I do agree, you can protest CD/RT/etc by cancelling your subscriptions and writing the editors.
You can look at sales rankings on goodcarbadcar.net and see what the relative rankings are of the 3 series, G, TL, etc.
I dont know if they did offer incentives but honestly why does it matter. because no one offers incentives to increase sales right?????
Ive seen some pretty good incentives from all manufacures including infiniti and bmw. (stupid point)
04-17-2012, 03:45 PM
#128
Burning Brakes
Not ot. Why else would a sales bump occur so late into a product cycle? And you might b correct there are other incentives going around.
04-17-2012, 03:56 PM
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The leap in sales was just Honda’s PR guys playing with period to period percentages to try to generate excitement among the troops. Looks like it worked in some cases.
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04-17-2012, 05:22 PM
#130
Racer
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It didn't bump just came back to its normal low in Jan 12 with 2200 units after a disastrous Jan 2011 where they only sold 1600 cars.
The leap in sales was just Honda’s PR guys playing with period to period percentages to try to generate excitement among the troops. Looks like it worked in some cases.
The leap in sales was just Honda’s PR guys playing with period to period percentages to try to generate excitement among the troops. Looks like it worked in some cases.
PR is just doing there job. you really are just picking fights. You are a bitter old man with nothing better to do... I'm glad most 70 y/o cant use the computer or we might have more of you old crazies on here trying to create things to cause arguments. I'm glad you no longer drive an Acura. I'd be embarrassed to be associated with you if you did.
Wheres your grand kids? go play with them instead of us. Or did you offend them also with your confrontational arrogant attitude.
Go drive your car and have a good day. stop wasting it on the computer.
FYI im not upset i'm just messing with an old man. Hahaha
04-17-2012, 06:01 PM
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You really need to do a better job of it. Just explaining why the 46% jump in sales had no substance & was nothing but smoke & mirrors. You might want to ask yourself why they need to try to BS people about sales improvements that don’t exist.
Teaching my grandson to fly aerobatics but he is at soccer practice today & granddaughter is at ballet; I don't do ballet. That being said I do teach them both Martial Arts 4 nights a week which they enjoy & have done well in local tourneys.
Having some work done in the back yard today & need to hang around so will be posting on occasion, could care less if that bothers you.
Teaching my grandson to fly aerobatics but he is at soccer practice today & granddaughter is at ballet; I don't do ballet. That being said I do teach them both Martial Arts 4 nights a week which they enjoy & have done well in local tourneys.
Having some work done in the back yard today & need to hang around so will be posting on occasion, could care less if that bothers you.
04-17-2012, 09:04 PM
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Racer
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You really need to do a better job of it. Just explaining why the 46% jump in sales had no substance & was nothing but smoke & mirrors. You might want to ask yourself why they need to try to BS people about sales improvements that don’t exist.
Teaching my grandson to fly aerobatics but he is at soccer practice today & granddaughter is at ballet; I don't do ballet. That being said I do teach them both Martial Arts 4 nights a week which they enjoy & have done well in local tourneys.
Having some work done in the back yard today & need to hang around so will be posting on occasion, could care less if that bothers you.
Teaching my grandson to fly aerobatics but he is at soccer practice today & granddaughter is at ballet; I don't do ballet. That being said I do teach them both Martial Arts 4 nights a week which they enjoy & have done well in local tourneys.
Having some work done in the back yard today & need to hang around so will be posting on occasion, could care less if that bothers you.
Honda motor corp doesn't need a bailout like GM so who cares. Acura just came out with 3 new products and 1 new prototype and that's just Acura not Honda. They are moving forward without a hitch. So who really cares about the sales or how they word things.
As long as they make enough money to stick around in the game and create new technology.
Can't wait to see some honda jets flying around. I don't think they will make it to hawaii but oh well kinda cool to think of them moving into airplanes.
04-17-2012, 09:32 PM
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bear this totally describes you. You agree??? Hahaha
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04-17-2012, 10:39 PM
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There is no need to act out, its not my fault you bought a car that makes the Pontiac Aztec look like a work of automotive high art.
04-17-2012, 11:33 PM
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Troll say what???
04-18-2012, 12:16 AM
#136
Hawaii-TSX, take a chill pilll. seriously.
You're complaining that a magazine didn't include a car in a comparison test. I want you to take 10 steps away from the keyboard and contemplate that.
You'll feel better if you let it go.
You're complaining that a magazine didn't include a car in a comparison test. I want you to take 10 steps away from the keyboard and contemplate that.
You'll feel better if you let it go.
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04-18-2012, 12:29 AM
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Thanks I'm gonna do one step better and head to the gym.
04-18-2012, 07:29 AM
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04-18-2012, 12:03 PM
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Can't you think of better things to do than insult owners on this forum? Seriously?
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04-18-2012, 01:32 PM
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Have no problem with people going after my posts, its to be expected here. Of course https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=854314 is pretty interesting even without my input.
04-18-2012, 01:57 PM
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Can you point at any of my posts "insulting" BMW owners?? Can you?
By the way, I do not think Bear has insulted anyone...not liking a car does not mean insulting its owners...to each his own...
04-18-2012, 02:05 PM
#143
Burning Brakes
You called them badge worshippers, which have a subtext of being mindless sheep hypnotized by the blue and white BMW badge on the car.
04-18-2012, 02:27 PM
#144
I never used the term "worshippers" and yes some peole buy a car (or any other object) for the badge and status (yourself admitted that).
It is not an insult by the way.....
Maybe you are the only one on this forum that has not realized the fact aht I actually like BMWs....
04-18-2012, 02:56 PM
#145
Racer
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I must have missed the part where you bought one of the few ZDX's ever sold. Sorry if it offended you but like the Aztek that is one ugly car.
Have no problem with people going after my posts, its to be expected here. Of course https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=854314 is pretty interesting even without my input.
Have no problem with people going after my posts, its to be expected here. Of course https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=854314 is pretty interesting even without my input.
I like to be different. Not follow the norm. And honestly I get to talk to a lot of people asking me what kind of car it is and how much it is? how fast is it? how does it drive etc? But honestly no sense in telling this to a old troll.
My car may be ugly but at least im not. I can always buy a car to please other people or that others think are nice (my bmw dealer still has a 2011 335 is bet i could trade my zdx and get a good deal on that). but you can't change your age, personality, or face to make you less ugly. Haha (at least I type all facts)
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04-18-2012, 03:05 PM
#146
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I never used the term "worshippers" and yes some peole buy a car (or any other object) for the badge and status (yourself admitted that).
It is not an insult by the way.....
Maybe you are the only one on this forum that has not realized the fact aht I actually like BMWs....
It is not an insult by the way.....
Maybe you are the only one on this forum that has not realized the fact aht I actually like BMWs....
Like I mentioned before, my cleaning lady drives a base 3-series, and my sister's cleaning lady drives a base 5-series. After work, they feel particularly proud driving around in their BMW's, because they believe that no one is gonna "look down" on them after seeing them able to afford expensive (badge effect) luxury cars.
04-18-2012, 03:21 PM
#147
Burning Brakes
In Vancouver, not just SOME people buy BMW's and MB's for the badge and status; it's actually A LOT of people buy BMW's and MB's just to show off their wealth and/or to artificially elevate their perceived class status.
Like I mentioned before, my cleaning lady drives a base 3-series, and my sister's cleaning lady drives a base 5-series. After work, they feel particularly proud driving around in their BMW's, because they believe that no one is gonna "look down" on them after seeing them able to afford expensive (badge effect) luxury cars.
Like I mentioned before, my cleaning lady drives a base 3-series, and my sister's cleaning lady drives a base 5-series. After work, they feel particularly proud driving around in their BMW's, because they believe that no one is gonna "look down" on them after seeing them able to afford expensive (badge effect) luxury cars.
04-18-2012, 03:26 PM
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In Vancouver, not just SOME people buy BMW's and MB's for the badge and status; it's actually A LOT of people buy BMW's and MB's just to show off their wealth and/or to artificially elevate their perceived class status.
Like I mentioned before, my cleaning lady drives a base 3-series, and my sister's cleaning lady drives a base 5-series. After work, they feel particularly proud driving around in their BMW's, because they believe that no one is gonna "look down" on them after seeing them able to afford expensive (badge effect) luxury cars.
Like I mentioned before, my cleaning lady drives a base 3-series, and my sister's cleaning lady drives a base 5-series. After work, they feel particularly proud driving around in their BMW's, because they believe that no one is gonna "look down" on them after seeing them able to afford expensive (badge effect) luxury cars.
04-18-2012, 03:30 PM
#149
Racer
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If you did buy based on badge or to elevate your status you would have bought a base 3 series prob for less than you bought your infiniti for.
04-18-2012, 03:31 PM
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In Vancouver, not just SOME people buy BMW's and MB's for the badge and status; it's actually A LOT of people buy BMW's and MB's just to show off their wealth and/or to artificially elevate their perceived class status.
Like I mentioned before, my cleaning lady drives a base 3-series, and my sister's cleaning lady drives a base 5-series. After work, they feel particularly proud driving around in their BMW's, because they believe that no one is gonna "look down" on them after seeing them able to afford expensive (badge effect) luxury cars.
Like I mentioned before, my cleaning lady drives a base 3-series, and my sister's cleaning lady drives a base 5-series. After work, they feel particularly proud driving around in their BMW's, because they believe that no one is gonna "look down" on them after seeing them able to afford expensive (badge effect) luxury cars.
Then they tell me the "other" cars don't suit them as well, their lifetsyles and their budget but it was a "safe" pick and more accepted. IMO these folks lack a strong individuality and rely on others for approval and to tell them what is ok or not.
I take it there are a number of people who try to "swallow" their decision against the TL despite their better judgment and one of the best ways to do that is attempting to convince themselves the car is much much worse than it actually is. In essence one becomes a "bully" of said vehicle and the people who drive them. I think we see a lot of that here as this would be one of the best places and also one of best ways to "try" and convince one's self of that.
04-18-2012, 03:34 PM
#151
6G TLX-S
I'm merely stating the mindset of the Vancouver (and possible elsewhere) people.
But one thing I'm certain is that Toyota will NEVER have the same "luxury badge effect" that comes with the highly desirable BMW and MB brands.
04-18-2012, 03:37 PM
#152
6G TLX-S
Wow, BMW's and MB's in Hawaii must have a very cheap price tag, compared to most of the world outside Europe.
04-18-2012, 04:35 PM
#153
Racer
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Similarly to what you are saying and how it ties into the TL, I know a few people who would readily admit that the TL is a great car for them and also a great value and they don't mind the styling, can't see what all of the fuss is about but don't think there is nothing to it either but because of the perception around that and perhaps of the brand and other brands overall, plus the typical and useless sales comparisons (in this regard), they can't seem to pull the trigger.
Then they tell me the "other" cars don't suit them as well, their lifetsyles and their budget but it was a "safe" pick and more accepted. IMO these folks lack a strong individuality and rely on others for approval and to tell them what is ok or not.
I take it there are a number of people who try to "swallow" their decision against the TL despite their better judgment and one of the best ways to do that is attempting to convince themselves the car is much much worse than it actually is. In essence one becomes a "bully" of said vehicle and the people who drive them. I think we see a lot of that here as this would be one of the best places and also one of best ways to "try" and convince one's self of that.
Then they tell me the "other" cars don't suit them as well, their lifetsyles and their budget but it was a "safe" pick and more accepted. IMO these folks lack a strong individuality and rely on others for approval and to tell them what is ok or not.
I take it there are a number of people who try to "swallow" their decision against the TL despite their better judgment and one of the best ways to do that is attempting to convince themselves the car is much much worse than it actually is. In essence one becomes a "bully" of said vehicle and the people who drive them. I think we see a lot of that here as this would be one of the best places and also one of best ways to "try" and convince one's self of that.
BMWs are great cars I know I've owned some but the reason I didn't buy a bmw this go around is partly because this image they project. Honestly stepping out of the norm and being an individual has really made me happy with my decision.
Acura showed they could get the folks that "lack a strong individuality" in the past and compete quite well (3g tl for example) Acura tried to be different with the TL and for this they don't get the credit they deserve. I think its performance is better in every way then the 3g tl but the looks don't follow the norm so people pass judgement. I myself didn't love the looks of the 4g tl but ended up buying it after a test drive.(simply amazing and it wasnt even the sh-awd) . Then I got a sh-awd as a loaner (simply more amazing) and knew I needed it in my next vehicle. I always loved the ZDX since it came out (before I bought the TL) but didn't want to admit it cause of what everyone else thought about the design/price but after driving my not much loved by others 4g tl for a year I ended up loving the design and not caring what other people thought. The ZDX now was a no brainer for me. Get the car I loved from the beginning and the sh-awd performance I wanted. Thank you Acura for building a vehicle that seems custom tailored to me (not the normal guy).
04-18-2012, 04:46 PM
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Must really suck having a fast food kid driving a more upscale car or at least buying one perceived to be a more upscale car then your ZDX. A choice between a 3 series or a ZDX. Amazing what you can do on minimum wage these days, ain't America great.
Interesting thing about this forum; there are about 12 members (will have to add tsx/mdx not sure if that counts for one or two) who form the core fan group. The other car forums I go to have much larger member bases & core groups but this forum spends the more time talking about other cars then all the others put together.
On the other forums cars not germane to the forum rarely ever come up & when the do in a lot of cases the get pretty good support from the members. There is one long running M3 vs. Mustang for track day on a BMW site & the Mustang is getting a lot of positive points, including mine, as a better track day car.
That being said I really enjoy my truck which my grand daughter wants when she gets her license next year.
Interesting thing about this forum; there are about 12 members (will have to add tsx/mdx not sure if that counts for one or two) who form the core fan group. The other car forums I go to have much larger member bases & core groups but this forum spends the more time talking about other cars then all the others put together.
On the other forums cars not germane to the forum rarely ever come up & when the do in a lot of cases the get pretty good support from the members. There is one long running M3 vs. Mustang for track day on a BMW site & the Mustang is getting a lot of positive points, including mine, as a better track day car.
That being said I really enjoy my truck which my grand daughter wants when she gets her license next year.
04-18-2012, 05:03 PM
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Even lots of the people who live in our city housing developments with 5 people living in a 2 bd room apt drive bmws here.
Hawaii is a small place with lots of people with large families. Id say about half of the island is in retail or hospitality work or somehow tied to it so even though it seems like an entry level job elsewhere its really quite the average here I think (no facts on this). I feel this creates a superficial pecking order between each other. We have a hawaiian word "Niele" (pronouced "knee-el-ay") is a Hawaiian word that means curious, nosy or inquisitive). Hawaii has a lot of Niele people. we all talk about each other and each others business. Its like one giant family. This makes everyone feel the need to peacock.
04-18-2012, 05:30 PM
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Must really suck having a fast food kid driving a more upscale car or at least buying one perceived to be a more upscale car then your ZDX. A choice between a 3 series or a ZDX. Amazing what you can do on minimum wage these days, ain't America great.
Interesting thing about this forum; there are about 12 members (will have to add tsx/mdx not sure if that counts for one or two) who form the core fan group. The other car forums I go to have much larger member bases & core groups but this forum spends the more time talking about other cars then all the others put together.
On the other forums cars not germane to the forum rarely ever come up & when the do in a lot of cases the get pretty good support from the members. There is one long running M3 vs. Mustang for track day on a BMW site & the Mustang is getting a lot of positive points, including mine, as a better track day car.
That being said I really enjoy my truck which my grand daughter wants when she gets her license next year.
Interesting thing about this forum; there are about 12 members (will have to add tsx/mdx not sure if that counts for one or two) who form the core fan group. The other car forums I go to have much larger member bases & core groups but this forum spends the more time talking about other cars then all the others put together.
On the other forums cars not germane to the forum rarely ever come up & when the do in a lot of cases the get pretty good support from the members. There is one long running M3 vs. Mustang for track day on a BMW site & the Mustang is getting a lot of positive points, including mine, as a better track day car.
That being said I really enjoy my truck which my grand daughter wants when she gets her license next year.
04-18-2012, 05:36 PM
#157
Interesting thing about this forum; there are about 12 members (will have to add tsx/mdx not sure if that counts for one or two) who form the core fan group. The other car forums I go to have much larger member bases & core groups but this forum spends the more time talking about other cars then all the others put together.
You see, a lot of the discussion starts out as other cars in relation to the TL which is relatively normal, but there are a handful of people here who do not make up the core group but they might as well, the only issue is they do not actually own the vehicle, which would be ok except that they have ultimately expressed that they do not actually care for the vehicle, which clearly means they are present for the opposite reasons as the rest.
It's a lot of these individuals' inflammatory remarks and pointless judgments that trigger those beaten to death, off topic discussions and keep them going but that's not necessarily a bad thing because it does go to show that this community is actually an enthusiats based one that actually has the ability to openly discuss other cars as opposed to blind, cult-like fan bases on other sites (that "they" also belong to) where it's basically an unwritten rule or you will catch a lot of heat for it that it isn't even worth it.
04-18-2012, 06:22 PM
#158
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Sorry but I don't bring the "other cars" up here the core group does to compare with the TL, hopefully I guess to add some weight to the TL’s image, so at that point I feel free to respond. Its nice to see at that point it does not become a group hug with no views & no posts.
About my posts, notice which threads get the most hits/posts on this site which is good for the sites owners revenue. As for other sites being cult like & this forum being a bastion of freedom & light you have to be kidding me. The general reaction here when some one commits the heresy of going to another brand is very cult like.
Congratulations on your new car but you know its going to be in the shop all the time. Congratulations on your new car to bad it has no resale value. Congratulations on your new car to bad its overpriced. Congratulations on your new Hyundai/Kia you know its not as good as a Acura & on & on. You notice a pattern here?
The iinternet to me is good for two things, information & entertainment. Some fan site tend to be light on well rounded information & this one is certainly great entertainment.
I guess one out of two ain’t bad.
About my posts, notice which threads get the most hits/posts on this site which is good for the sites owners revenue. As for other sites being cult like & this forum being a bastion of freedom & light you have to be kidding me. The general reaction here when some one commits the heresy of going to another brand is very cult like.
Congratulations on your new car but you know its going to be in the shop all the time. Congratulations on your new car to bad it has no resale value. Congratulations on your new car to bad its overpriced. Congratulations on your new Hyundai/Kia you know its not as good as a Acura & on & on. You notice a pattern here?
The iinternet to me is good for two things, information & entertainment. Some fan site tend to be light on well rounded information & this one is certainly great entertainment.
I guess one out of two ain’t bad.
04-18-2012, 06:39 PM
#159
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So no the cars are not cheaper, but there are people who sacrifice having a home to themselves, and spend their money on cars (Status symbols).
04-18-2012, 06:59 PM
#160
Sorry but I don't bring the "other cars" up here the core group does to compare with the TL, hopefully I guess to add some weight to the TL’s image, so at that point I feel free to respond. Its nice to see at that point it does not become a group hug with no views & no posts.
About my posts, notice which threads get the most hits/posts on this site which is good for the sites owners revenue. As for other sites being cult like & this forum being a bastion of freedom & light you have to be kidding me. The general reaction here when some one commits the heresy of going to another brand is very cult like.
Congratulations on your new car but you know its going to be in the shop all the time. Congratulations on your new car to bad it has no resale value. Congratulations on your new car to bad its overpriced. Congratulations on your new Hyundai/Kia you know its not as good as a Acura & on & on. You notice a pattern here?
The iinternet to me is good for two things, information & entertainment. Some fan site tend to be light on well rounded information & this one is certainly great entertainment.
I guess one out of two ain’t bad.
About my posts, notice which threads get the most hits/posts on this site which is good for the sites owners revenue. As for other sites being cult like & this forum being a bastion of freedom & light you have to be kidding me. The general reaction here when some one commits the heresy of going to another brand is very cult like.
Congratulations on your new car but you know its going to be in the shop all the time. Congratulations on your new car to bad it has no resale value. Congratulations on your new car to bad its overpriced. Congratulations on your new Hyundai/Kia you know its not as good as a Acura & on & on. You notice a pattern here?
The iinternet to me is good for two things, information & entertainment. Some fan site tend to be light on well rounded information & this one is certainly great entertainment.
I guess one out of two ain’t bad.
At least you openly admit why you frequent here, although I am not so sure that's not borderline trolling but regardless, this experiment would be very entertaining, and maybe we can all learn something as well.
Last edited by winstrolvtec; 04-18-2012 at 07:02 PM.