Acura TL Press Release
08-18-2008, 02:09 AM
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Acura TL Press Release
All-New 2009 TL Redefines Performance with the Most Powerful Engine in Acura History and SH-AWD
Date: August 18, 2008 00:01
Submitted by: Jeff
Source: Acura Press Release
Credibility Rating: Not Specified
With dramatic new styling, precise handling and a host of advanced technology and safety features, the fourth-generation TL is Acura’s performance leader
TORRANCE, Calif. – Since inception, the Acura TL performance luxury sedan has set lofty standards for styling, performance, comfort and technology. Available for 2009 in two distinctly different models, TL and TL SH-AWD®, the all-new fourth-generation Acura TL dramatically expands the model’s capabilities and appeal with evocative style, a choice of two VTEC® powertrains (including a new 305-horsepower V-6) and the TL’s first-ever application of Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ (SH-AWD®).
Boasting larger dimensions, optimized suspension, a new Sequential SportShift transmission, plus an available Technology Package featuring a comprehensive array of navigation and communication aids, the 2009 TL offers more appeal than ever before. Along with an available Acura/ELS Surround® premium 10-speaker surround sound system and an all-new AcuraLink® weather feature, the new TL is by far the most technologically advanced sedan in Acura’s history.
The combination of dramatic new styling, exhilarating performance and an extensive array of electronics (including AcuraLink® real-time traffic and AcuraLink® weather with Doppler-style radar mapping) ensures the 2009 Acura TL will appeal to a sophisticated, technology-savvy audience.
Powertrain
A choice of two different all-aluminum VTEC® engines enables the new 2009 TL to satisfy a wide range of customers. Standard is a 3.5-liter V-6 producing 280 horsepower and 254 lb-ft of torque that sends power to the front wheels through Acura’s sophisticated Sequential SportShift 5-speed automatic transmission with steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters and Grade Logic Control. Though powerful, the new engine is also fuel efficient, with projected EPA fuel economy ratings* of 18 mpg city and 26 mpg highway. The engine is targeted to meet California’s tough CARB LEV II ULEV emissions certification standards, thanks to features including a Drive-by-Wire™ throttle system, Computer-Controlled Programmed Fuel Injection (PGM-FI) and Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control (VTEC®) for the intake valves.
Serious performance-sedan devotees will choose the TL SH-AWD® to make winding roads their own. Its all-new 3.7-liter V-6 engine produces 305 horsepower and 273 lb-ft of torque courtesy of greater displacement and additional high-performance features like Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control (VTEC®) on both the intake and exhaust valves, and a special high-flow dual exhaust system. With projected EPA fuel economy ratings* of 17 mpg city and 25 mpg highway, the 3.7L is also targeted to meet California’s stringent CARB LEV II ULEV emissions certification. The pièce de résistance on the TL SH-AWD® is the Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ system, now available on the TL for the first time.
During spirited cornering, SH-AWD® seamlessly distributes more torque to the outside rear wheel to create a “yaw moment” to help the TL turn in more quickly and precisely – while also continuously apportioning drivetrain torque front to rear and left to right. The result is a remarkably balanced and precise all-wheel-drive performance sedan that excels year-round, not just during inclement weather.
Acura TL’s performance achievements extend to durability, reliability and refinement as well. Both engines feature electronically controlled engine mounts to reduce engine noise, vibration and harshness (NVH); quiet and efficient Electric Power Steering (EPS) and maintenance-free serpentine accessory belt also boost operating refinement. A standard Maintenance Minder™ system and up to a 100,000-mile tune-up interval offer further time and cost savings for the TL owner.
The standard transmission on the 2009 TL and TL SH-AWD® is a Sequential SportShift 5-speed automatic featuring F1®-style steering-wheel mounted paddle shifters and Grade Logic Control. Merging the convenience of an automatic with the enjoyment of SportShift manual gear selection, the transmission also features an overdriven top gear for maximum fuel efficiency on the highway. In fact, the Acura transmission has the widest gear-ratio spread of any 5-speed transmission in its class, providing strong acceleration in lower gears and relaxed, fuel-efficient highway cruising.
Body/Chassis
Major improvements in structural engineering for the unit-body further define the 2009 TL. The list of substantial changes begins with the relocation of frame rails inside (rather than underneath) the vehicle’s floor pan, resulting in a nearly flat body underside. Benefits of this design include improved crash safety, a significant reduction in interior noise levels, and reduced aerodynamic drag that helps enhance fuel economy. Another significant improvement is the increased use of high-strength steel, which simultaneously improves the unit-body’s overall strength while helping to reduce weight. For additional weight savings, aluminum is used for the hood, the front suspension subframe and rear suspension knuckles.
Ride quality and passenger comfort benefit from the 2009 TL’s larger exterior dimensions. Featuring 6.0 inches greater exterior length, 1.8 inches more overall width and a modest 0.5-inch increase in overall height, the TL is noticeably larger than its predecessor.
The larger body size directly contributes to greater interior roominess; it also allows a 1.4-inch longer wheelbase to improve ride quality and a significantly wider track (1.1 inches wider in front, 1.8 inches wider in the rear) helps generate even more tenacious cornering power. The TL employs a double-wishbone independent front suspension and a multi-link independent system in back.
Further improving ride quality and road-holding are new dual-stage “blow off” style hydraulic suspension dampers, new hydro-compliant bushings (used to mount the transmission and key suspension components) and a new “smart” engine mount design. On the Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ (SH-AWD®) model, more performance-minded suspension and brake tuning, larger wheels/tires, racing-inspired front brake cooling ducts, and specially-tuned Electric Power Steering (EPS) take the enthusiast’s driving experience to an even higher level.
Exterior/Interior
An evocative and powerful exterior body design dramatically advances the TL’s image as a performance luxury sedan. Designed by Acura in Southern California, the TL utilizes an array of styling techniques to express motion – and emotion – even when the car is at rest. Featuring Acura’s new signature front grille, body sides defined by strong character lines, sweeping C-pillars and new LED taillights, the 2009 TL is simultaneously Acura and yet wholly unique. Plentiful use of luxury and performance features add visual appeal while adding to the TL’s vigorous statement – including bright HID projector-beam front headlights, pronounced wheel arches, a standard power moonroof and genuine stainless-steel body trim.
Wheels and tires are as expressive as the exterior styling. Standard on the 2009 TL are 17-inch aluminum wheels with P245/50R17 all-season Bridgestone Turanza or available Michelin Pilot tires for confident year-round performance. The TL SH-AWD® comes with 18-inch aluminum wheels with lower-profile P245/45R18 Michelin Pilot tires for more agile handling. Finally, the TL SH-AWD® offers available 19-inch aluminum wheels with aggressive P245/40ZR19 Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 summer tires for the ultimate TL performance experience.
In keeping with its mission as a driver’s car, the 2009 TL interior features a new “dual personal” layout that provides both the driver and front passenger with their own personal space. Thanks to its larger exterior dimensions, the new TL has 1.3 inches more rear legroom and 0.5-inch of added rear shoulder room compared to the previous generation TL.
Acura’s commitment to luxury and technology becomes apparent from the first moment the driver’s door is opened. With sweeping shapes, generous use of premium materials and passionate attention to detail, the TL rewards the discriminating eye. The design and execution of the interior is an artful combination of leather surfaces, accented by metallic and wood-pattern trim. An impressive array of premium standard features includes a power moonroof, dual-zone adaptive climate control, 10-way adjustable (8-way power seat with 2-way power lumbar support) driver seat, 8-way adjustable power front passenger seat, and steering-wheel-mounted F1®-style paddle shifters for the Sequential SportShift automatic transmission. An 8-speaker, 276-watt audio system that includes a 6-disc CD changer, AM/FM radio, XM® Satellite Radio, Bluetooth® Audio, USB port and AUX jack connectivity, and HandsFreeLink® wireless telephone interface are standard.
Available on both the TL and TL SH-AWD® is a Technology Package that includes the most comprehensive array of advanced electronic features ever offered by Acura. The Technology Package includes the Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition™, AcuraLink® real-time traffic, AcuraLink® weather with Doppler-style radar mapping, an Acura/ELS Surround® premium audio system and Keyless Access System with pushbutton ignition. The included Navigation System features a new 8-inch full VGA high-resolution color display for improved visibility.
Audiophiles with appreciate the new Acura/ELS Surround® 10-speaker, 440-watt premium sound system with DVD-Audio, CD, DTS™, AM/FM radio, XM® Satellite Radio and 2,500-song** hard disk drive (HDD) media storage. An intuitive interface dial as well as sophisticated voice recognition capability simplifies control of this impressive technology. Premium Milano leather seating surfaces included in the Technology Package further enhances comfort and visual appeal.
Safety
Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™) represents a major advance in structural engineering for the 2009 TL. In simple terms, ACE™ better dissipates crash energy in a severe frontal collision through the use of dedicated load-bearing frame structures that efficiently distribute crash energy through the body structure —while also helping to preserve the integrity of the passenger compartment. Acura first introduced ACE™ to the Acura line for the 2005 model year and its inclusion in the 2009 TL means that every vehicle in the Acura model range now has this advanced safety engineering.
Six airbags and a new Active Head Restraint System for the driver and front passenger headrests top the long list of passive safety features built into the new TL. The airbag array includes dual-stage, dual-threshold front airbags, new dual-chamber front seat side airbags with front passenger seat Occupant Position Detection System, along with side-curtain airbags for all outboard seating positions. Additional passive-safety features include 3-point seatbelts and head restraints for all seating positions, driver and front passenger seatbelt load-limiters with an automatic tensioning system and a Lower Anchors and Tethers for CHildren (LATCH) system that permits quick, secure attachment of up to two child seats in the rear seating area.
The new TL includes sophisticated active safety features including powerful 4- wheel disc brakes (with ABS, EBD and Brake Assist), Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA), Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS), all-season tires and an available SH-AWD® system. Adding to the list of standard exterior safety features are daytime running lights (DRL) along with 2.5-mph front and rear bumpers.
The 2009 Acura TL is designed to meet the latest crash-safety regulations, including the new FMVSS214 side crash standards (which the TL meets three years early) and the new FMVSS301 rear crash standards. Internal testing indicates that the 2009 TL should achieve the highest ratings in National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)*** and Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) crash tests.
The 2009 Acura TL is assembled in Marysville, Ohio and is covered by a comprehensive 4-year/50,000 mile bumper-to-bumper limited warranty and a 6- year/70,000 mile powertrain limited warranty. Additional benefits of ownership include Acura Total Luxury Care (TLC), which provides free 24-hour roadside assistance, concierge service and trip routing.
Acura
Acura offers a full line of technologically advanced performance luxury vehicles through a network of 270 dealers within the United States. The 2009 Acura lineup features five distinctive models including the RL luxury performance sedan, the TL performance luxury sedan, the TSX sports sedan, the turbocharged RDX luxury crossover SUV and the award-winning MDX luxury sport utility vehicle.
For more information about Acura vehicles, please visit www.acura.com.
Date: August 18, 2008 00:01
Submitted by: Jeff
Source: Acura Press Release
Credibility Rating: Not Specified
With dramatic new styling, precise handling and a host of advanced technology and safety features, the fourth-generation TL is Acura’s performance leader
TORRANCE, Calif. – Since inception, the Acura TL performance luxury sedan has set lofty standards for styling, performance, comfort and technology. Available for 2009 in two distinctly different models, TL and TL SH-AWD®, the all-new fourth-generation Acura TL dramatically expands the model’s capabilities and appeal with evocative style, a choice of two VTEC® powertrains (including a new 305-horsepower V-6) and the TL’s first-ever application of Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ (SH-AWD®).
Boasting larger dimensions, optimized suspension, a new Sequential SportShift transmission, plus an available Technology Package featuring a comprehensive array of navigation and communication aids, the 2009 TL offers more appeal than ever before. Along with an available Acura/ELS Surround® premium 10-speaker surround sound system and an all-new AcuraLink® weather feature, the new TL is by far the most technologically advanced sedan in Acura’s history.
The combination of dramatic new styling, exhilarating performance and an extensive array of electronics (including AcuraLink® real-time traffic and AcuraLink® weather with Doppler-style radar mapping) ensures the 2009 Acura TL will appeal to a sophisticated, technology-savvy audience.
Powertrain
A choice of two different all-aluminum VTEC® engines enables the new 2009 TL to satisfy a wide range of customers. Standard is a 3.5-liter V-6 producing 280 horsepower and 254 lb-ft of torque that sends power to the front wheels through Acura’s sophisticated Sequential SportShift 5-speed automatic transmission with steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters and Grade Logic Control. Though powerful, the new engine is also fuel efficient, with projected EPA fuel economy ratings* of 18 mpg city and 26 mpg highway. The engine is targeted to meet California’s tough CARB LEV II ULEV emissions certification standards, thanks to features including a Drive-by-Wire™ throttle system, Computer-Controlled Programmed Fuel Injection (PGM-FI) and Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control (VTEC®) for the intake valves.
Serious performance-sedan devotees will choose the TL SH-AWD® to make winding roads their own. Its all-new 3.7-liter V-6 engine produces 305 horsepower and 273 lb-ft of torque courtesy of greater displacement and additional high-performance features like Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control (VTEC®) on both the intake and exhaust valves, and a special high-flow dual exhaust system. With projected EPA fuel economy ratings* of 17 mpg city and 25 mpg highway, the 3.7L is also targeted to meet California’s stringent CARB LEV II ULEV emissions certification. The pièce de résistance on the TL SH-AWD® is the Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ system, now available on the TL for the first time.
During spirited cornering, SH-AWD® seamlessly distributes more torque to the outside rear wheel to create a “yaw moment” to help the TL turn in more quickly and precisely – while also continuously apportioning drivetrain torque front to rear and left to right. The result is a remarkably balanced and precise all-wheel-drive performance sedan that excels year-round, not just during inclement weather.
Acura TL’s performance achievements extend to durability, reliability and refinement as well. Both engines feature electronically controlled engine mounts to reduce engine noise, vibration and harshness (NVH); quiet and efficient Electric Power Steering (EPS) and maintenance-free serpentine accessory belt also boost operating refinement. A standard Maintenance Minder™ system and up to a 100,000-mile tune-up interval offer further time and cost savings for the TL owner.
The standard transmission on the 2009 TL and TL SH-AWD® is a Sequential SportShift 5-speed automatic featuring F1®-style steering-wheel mounted paddle shifters and Grade Logic Control. Merging the convenience of an automatic with the enjoyment of SportShift manual gear selection, the transmission also features an overdriven top gear for maximum fuel efficiency on the highway. In fact, the Acura transmission has the widest gear-ratio spread of any 5-speed transmission in its class, providing strong acceleration in lower gears and relaxed, fuel-efficient highway cruising.
Body/Chassis
Major improvements in structural engineering for the unit-body further define the 2009 TL. The list of substantial changes begins with the relocation of frame rails inside (rather than underneath) the vehicle’s floor pan, resulting in a nearly flat body underside. Benefits of this design include improved crash safety, a significant reduction in interior noise levels, and reduced aerodynamic drag that helps enhance fuel economy. Another significant improvement is the increased use of high-strength steel, which simultaneously improves the unit-body’s overall strength while helping to reduce weight. For additional weight savings, aluminum is used for the hood, the front suspension subframe and rear suspension knuckles.
Ride quality and passenger comfort benefit from the 2009 TL’s larger exterior dimensions. Featuring 6.0 inches greater exterior length, 1.8 inches more overall width and a modest 0.5-inch increase in overall height, the TL is noticeably larger than its predecessor.
The larger body size directly contributes to greater interior roominess; it also allows a 1.4-inch longer wheelbase to improve ride quality and a significantly wider track (1.1 inches wider in front, 1.8 inches wider in the rear) helps generate even more tenacious cornering power. The TL employs a double-wishbone independent front suspension and a multi-link independent system in back.
Further improving ride quality and road-holding are new dual-stage “blow off” style hydraulic suspension dampers, new hydro-compliant bushings (used to mount the transmission and key suspension components) and a new “smart” engine mount design. On the Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ (SH-AWD®) model, more performance-minded suspension and brake tuning, larger wheels/tires, racing-inspired front brake cooling ducts, and specially-tuned Electric Power Steering (EPS) take the enthusiast’s driving experience to an even higher level.
Exterior/Interior
An evocative and powerful exterior body design dramatically advances the TL’s image as a performance luxury sedan. Designed by Acura in Southern California, the TL utilizes an array of styling techniques to express motion – and emotion – even when the car is at rest. Featuring Acura’s new signature front grille, body sides defined by strong character lines, sweeping C-pillars and new LED taillights, the 2009 TL is simultaneously Acura and yet wholly unique. Plentiful use of luxury and performance features add visual appeal while adding to the TL’s vigorous statement – including bright HID projector-beam front headlights, pronounced wheel arches, a standard power moonroof and genuine stainless-steel body trim.
Wheels and tires are as expressive as the exterior styling. Standard on the 2009 TL are 17-inch aluminum wheels with P245/50R17 all-season Bridgestone Turanza or available Michelin Pilot tires for confident year-round performance. The TL SH-AWD® comes with 18-inch aluminum wheels with lower-profile P245/45R18 Michelin Pilot tires for more agile handling. Finally, the TL SH-AWD® offers available 19-inch aluminum wheels with aggressive P245/40ZR19 Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 summer tires for the ultimate TL performance experience.
In keeping with its mission as a driver’s car, the 2009 TL interior features a new “dual personal” layout that provides both the driver and front passenger with their own personal space. Thanks to its larger exterior dimensions, the new TL has 1.3 inches more rear legroom and 0.5-inch of added rear shoulder room compared to the previous generation TL.
Acura’s commitment to luxury and technology becomes apparent from the first moment the driver’s door is opened. With sweeping shapes, generous use of premium materials and passionate attention to detail, the TL rewards the discriminating eye. The design and execution of the interior is an artful combination of leather surfaces, accented by metallic and wood-pattern trim. An impressive array of premium standard features includes a power moonroof, dual-zone adaptive climate control, 10-way adjustable (8-way power seat with 2-way power lumbar support) driver seat, 8-way adjustable power front passenger seat, and steering-wheel-mounted F1®-style paddle shifters for the Sequential SportShift automatic transmission. An 8-speaker, 276-watt audio system that includes a 6-disc CD changer, AM/FM radio, XM® Satellite Radio, Bluetooth® Audio, USB port and AUX jack connectivity, and HandsFreeLink® wireless telephone interface are standard.
Available on both the TL and TL SH-AWD® is a Technology Package that includes the most comprehensive array of advanced electronic features ever offered by Acura. The Technology Package includes the Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition™, AcuraLink® real-time traffic, AcuraLink® weather with Doppler-style radar mapping, an Acura/ELS Surround® premium audio system and Keyless Access System with pushbutton ignition. The included Navigation System features a new 8-inch full VGA high-resolution color display for improved visibility.
Audiophiles with appreciate the new Acura/ELS Surround® 10-speaker, 440-watt premium sound system with DVD-Audio, CD, DTS™, AM/FM radio, XM® Satellite Radio and 2,500-song** hard disk drive (HDD) media storage. An intuitive interface dial as well as sophisticated voice recognition capability simplifies control of this impressive technology. Premium Milano leather seating surfaces included in the Technology Package further enhances comfort and visual appeal.
Safety
Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™) represents a major advance in structural engineering for the 2009 TL. In simple terms, ACE™ better dissipates crash energy in a severe frontal collision through the use of dedicated load-bearing frame structures that efficiently distribute crash energy through the body structure —while also helping to preserve the integrity of the passenger compartment. Acura first introduced ACE™ to the Acura line for the 2005 model year and its inclusion in the 2009 TL means that every vehicle in the Acura model range now has this advanced safety engineering.
Six airbags and a new Active Head Restraint System for the driver and front passenger headrests top the long list of passive safety features built into the new TL. The airbag array includes dual-stage, dual-threshold front airbags, new dual-chamber front seat side airbags with front passenger seat Occupant Position Detection System, along with side-curtain airbags for all outboard seating positions. Additional passive-safety features include 3-point seatbelts and head restraints for all seating positions, driver and front passenger seatbelt load-limiters with an automatic tensioning system and a Lower Anchors and Tethers for CHildren (LATCH) system that permits quick, secure attachment of up to two child seats in the rear seating area.
The new TL includes sophisticated active safety features including powerful 4- wheel disc brakes (with ABS, EBD and Brake Assist), Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA), Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS), all-season tires and an available SH-AWD® system. Adding to the list of standard exterior safety features are daytime running lights (DRL) along with 2.5-mph front and rear bumpers.
The 2009 Acura TL is designed to meet the latest crash-safety regulations, including the new FMVSS214 side crash standards (which the TL meets three years early) and the new FMVSS301 rear crash standards. Internal testing indicates that the 2009 TL should achieve the highest ratings in National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)*** and Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) crash tests.
The 2009 Acura TL is assembled in Marysville, Ohio and is covered by a comprehensive 4-year/50,000 mile bumper-to-bumper limited warranty and a 6- year/70,000 mile powertrain limited warranty. Additional benefits of ownership include Acura Total Luxury Care (TLC), which provides free 24-hour roadside assistance, concierge service and trip routing.
Acura
Acura offers a full line of technologically advanced performance luxury vehicles through a network of 270 dealers within the United States. The 2009 Acura lineup features five distinctive models including the RL luxury performance sedan, the TL performance luxury sedan, the TSX sports sedan, the turbocharged RDX luxury crossover SUV and the award-winning MDX luxury sport utility vehicle.
For more information about Acura vehicles, please visit www.acura.com.
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Originally Posted by krio
In fact, the Acura transmission has the widest gear-ratio spread of any 5-speed transmission in its class, providing strong acceleration in lower gears and relaxed, fuel-efficient highway cruising.
For me to trade in my '05 TL 6-speed for this, in terms of numbers of gears, would technically be a downgrade!
2009 C-Class
6-speed manual transmission (avail. with 3.0L 228hp V6 engine only)
7-speed automatic transmission
2009 G37 sedan
6-speed manual transmission
7-speed automatic transmission
2008 3-series sedan
6-speed manual transmission
6-speed automatic transmission
2008 Lexus IS
6-speed manual transmission (avail. with 2.5L 204hp V6 engine only)
6-speed automatic transmission
2009 Audi A4
6-speed automatic transmission (3.2L 265hp V6)
[No manual transmission offered with V6 A4 models]
[2.0L TFSI turbo-charged engine w/ 6-speed manual transmission not yet confirmed for N.A. market]
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Available on both the TL and TL SH-AWD® is a Technology Package that includes the most comprehensive array of advanced electronic features ever offered by Acura. The Technology Package includes the Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition™, AcuraLink® real-time traffic, AcuraLink® weather with Doppler-style radar mapping, an Acura/ELS Surround® premium audio system and Keyless Access System with pushbutton ignition.
A few months ago, USA Today's James Healey reviewed the all-new '09 Toyota Corolla, and among a few of his complaints, that the car didn't come with power windows as standard equipment, despite the fact that most Corollas sold on dealer lots will have the optional power package. His logic: Toyota would have to spend extra $ not only to have designed the manual window cranks but also manufacture and maintain an inventory of them and all the associated costs.
My question to Acura is, wouldn't it cost more money to have a separate ignition key and a pushbutton start, especially if you need to manufacture to separate steering columns and dashboards between the two?
If you look at this old spy pic from Leftlanenews.com, this steering wheel sports a traditional ignition stalk, while the 2nd pic below shows a push button smacked in the dashboard. Somehow I think it would've been "cheaper" to have included this across the board and then just manufactured one set of steering columns and one set of dashboard designs.
When the 3G was launched 5 years ago, it was not only totally hot, but it was an unbelievably good value. Now, it's totally ugly and, when you consider the competition, not so much of a good value anymore.
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08-18-2008, 05:35 AM
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Wow, you can get push-button start in an Altima but you need to spend over $40K large to get this in the TL...
...My question to Acura is, wouldn't it cost more money to have a separate ignition key and a pushbutton start, especially if you need to manufacture to separate steering columns and dashboards between the two?
...My question to Acura is, wouldn't it cost more money to have a separate ignition key and a pushbutton start, especially if you need to manufacture to separate steering columns and dashboards between the two?
It probably does cost them more money to make two steering columns and two dash trim panels. But since the complaint about the Tech packages (in the other cars) is that they don't offer enough extra things over the base model, it looks like Acura is looking for ways to add more content. Since some people seem to place such a high emphasis on this one feature, it makes sense that if it's that important to someone, that they should pay more to get it (thus making it profitable to make two versions). This philosophy has worked well for all the other brands you've cited. They 'nickel and dime' you for everything.
08-18-2008, 09:12 AM
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Bummer this has to be packaged with the Navi: Acura/ELS Surround® premium 10-speaker surround sound system. I think premium audio system should always be a stand alone option.
08-18-2008, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Mpunk
Wow, you can get push-button start in an Altima but you need to spend over $40K large to get this in the TL??.....
The TOV links don't work because their server always gets slammed with big news like this.
Thanks for posting the info, krio!
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Originally Posted by Mpunk
Wow, you can get push-button start in an Altima but you need to spend over $40K large to get this in the TL??
A few months ago, USA Today's James Healey reviewed the all-new '09 Toyota Corolla, and among a few of his complaints, that the car didn't come with power windows as standard equipment, despite the fact that most Corollas sold on dealer lots will have the optional power package. His logic: Toyota would have to spend extra $ not only to have designed the manual window cranks but also manufacture and maintain an inventory of them and all the associated costs.
My question to Acura is, wouldn't it cost more money to have a separate ignition key and a pushbutton start, especially if you need to manufacture to separate steering columns and dashboards between the two?
If you look at this old spy pic from Leftlanenews.com, this steering wheel sports a traditional ignition stalk, while the 2nd pic below shows a push button smacked in the dashboard. Somehow I think it would've been "cheaper" to have included this across the board and then just manufactured one set of steering columns and one set of dashboard designs.
When the 3G was launched 5 years ago, it was not only totally hot, but it was an unbelievably good value. Now, it's totally ugly and, when you consider the competition, not so much of a good value anymore.
A few months ago, USA Today's James Healey reviewed the all-new '09 Toyota Corolla, and among a few of his complaints, that the car didn't come with power windows as standard equipment, despite the fact that most Corollas sold on dealer lots will have the optional power package. His logic: Toyota would have to spend extra $ not only to have designed the manual window cranks but also manufacture and maintain an inventory of them and all the associated costs.
My question to Acura is, wouldn't it cost more money to have a separate ignition key and a pushbutton start, especially if you need to manufacture to separate steering columns and dashboards between the two?
If you look at this old spy pic from Leftlanenews.com, this steering wheel sports a traditional ignition stalk, while the 2nd pic below shows a push button smacked in the dashboard. Somehow I think it would've been "cheaper" to have included this across the board and then just manufactured one set of steering columns and one set of dashboard designs.
When the 3G was launched 5 years ago, it was not only totally hot, but it was an unbelievably good value. Now, it's totally ugly and, when you consider the competition, not so much of a good value anymore.
My dad for one hates fancy stuff like push-start button....but then he hates a lot of fancy gadgets.....for example...he doesn't like power windows/locks..etc...
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Originally Posted by Mpunk
Umm, this is like the ONLY 5-speed transmission in its class!!! lol!
For me to trade in my '05 TL 6-speed for this, in terms of numbers of gears, would technically be a downgrade!
2009 C-Class
6-speed manual transmission (avail. with 3.0L 228hp V6 engine only)
7-speed automatic transmission
2009 G37 sedan
6-speed manual transmission
7-speed automatic transmission
2008 3-series sedan
6-speed manual transmission
6-speed automatic transmission
2008 Lexus IS
6-speed manual transmission (avail. with 2.5L 204hp V6 engine only)
6-speed automatic transmission
2009 Audi A4
6-speed automatic transmission (3.2L 265hp V6)
[No manual transmission offered with V6 A4 models]
[2.0L TFSI turbo-charged engine w/ 6-speed manual transmission not yet confirmed for N.A. market]
For me to trade in my '05 TL 6-speed for this, in terms of numbers of gears, would technically be a downgrade!
2009 C-Class
6-speed manual transmission (avail. with 3.0L 228hp V6 engine only)
7-speed automatic transmission
2009 G37 sedan
6-speed manual transmission
7-speed automatic transmission
2008 3-series sedan
6-speed manual transmission
6-speed automatic transmission
2008 Lexus IS
6-speed manual transmission (avail. with 2.5L 204hp V6 engine only)
6-speed automatic transmission
2009 Audi A4
6-speed automatic transmission (3.2L 265hp V6)
[No manual transmission offered with V6 A4 models]
[2.0L TFSI turbo-charged engine w/ 6-speed manual transmission not yet confirmed for N.A. market]
08-18-2008, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mpunk
Umm, this is like the ONLY 5-speed transmission in its class!!! lol!
For me to trade in my '05 TL 6-speed for this, in terms of numbers of gears, would technically be a downgrade!
2009 C-Class
6-speed manual transmission (avail. with 3.0L 228hp V6 engine only)
7-speed automatic transmission
2009 G37 sedan
6-speed manual transmission
7-speed automatic transmission
2008 3-series sedan
6-speed manual transmission
6-speed automatic transmission
2008 Lexus IS
6-speed manual transmission (avail. with 2.5L 204hp V6 engine only)
6-speed automatic transmission
2009 Audi A4
6-speed automatic transmission (3.2L 265hp V6)
[No manual transmission offered with V6 A4 models]
[2.0L TFSI turbo-charged engine w/ 6-speed manual transmission not yet confirmed for N.A. market]
For me to trade in my '05 TL 6-speed for this, in terms of numbers of gears, would technically be a downgrade!
2009 C-Class
6-speed manual transmission (avail. with 3.0L 228hp V6 engine only)
7-speed automatic transmission
2009 G37 sedan
6-speed manual transmission
7-speed automatic transmission
2008 3-series sedan
6-speed manual transmission
6-speed automatic transmission
2008 Lexus IS
6-speed manual transmission (avail. with 2.5L 204hp V6 engine only)
6-speed automatic transmission
2009 Audi A4
6-speed automatic transmission (3.2L 265hp V6)
[No manual transmission offered with V6 A4 models]
[2.0L TFSI turbo-charged engine w/ 6-speed manual transmission not yet confirmed for N.A. market]
Acura. Advance !? !?
08-18-2008, 03:32 PM
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2009 TL EXTERIOR ACCESSORIES
A line of Acura Genuine Accessories was developed simultaneously with the TL to provide personalization for the Acura owner. Like all Acura Genuine Accessories, the TL accessories are covered by a 4-year/50,000-mile limited warranty.
18-inch diameter alloy wheel (chrome look)
19-inch diameter alloy wheel (chrome look)
19-inch diameter alloy wheel (polished)
Wheel locks
Rear back-up sensors
Front spoiler
Side spoilers
Rear spoiler
Rear decklid spoiler
Side splash guards
Body side moldings
Door edge guards
Door edge film protection
Car cover
Front nosemask
Engine block heater (for winter use)
A line of Acura Genuine Accessories was developed simultaneously with the TL to provide personalization for the Acura owner. Like all Acura Genuine Accessories, the TL accessories are covered by a 4-year/50,000-mile limited warranty.
18-inch diameter alloy wheel (chrome look)
19-inch diameter alloy wheel (chrome look)
19-inch diameter alloy wheel (polished)
Wheel locks
Rear back-up sensors
Front spoiler
Side spoilers
Rear spoiler
Rear decklid spoiler
Side splash guards
Body side moldings
Door edge guards
Door edge film protection
Car cover
Front nosemask
Engine block heater (for winter use)
08-18-2008, 03:34 PM
#17
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Thread Starter
press release:
The 2009 TL enters the competitive luxury market at an ideal time as the segment in which it competes is expected to remain strong into the next decade. The new TL is forecast to share substantially in this success with a projected sales increase to about 70,000 units per year, an increase of 5.8-percent through 2012. Available with the largest and most powerful engine in TL history, along with the sport-driving focused SH-AWD® system (the world's first torque-vectoring AWD system when introduced in 2000), the new TL arrives ready to compete with vehicles like the Audi A4 and A6, BMW 3-Series and 5-Series, Infiniti G35 and M35, Lexus ES, GS and IS sedans, and the Mercedes-Benz C-Class and E-Class
The 2009 TL enters the competitive luxury market at an ideal time as the segment in which it competes is expected to remain strong into the next decade. The new TL is forecast to share substantially in this success with a projected sales increase to about 70,000 units per year, an increase of 5.8-percent through 2012. Available with the largest and most powerful engine in TL history, along with the sport-driving focused SH-AWD® system (the world's first torque-vectoring AWD system when introduced in 2000), the new TL arrives ready to compete with vehicles like the Audi A4 and A6, BMW 3-Series and 5-Series, Infiniti G35 and M35, Lexus ES, GS and IS sedans, and the Mercedes-Benz C-Class and E-Class
08-18-2008, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by krio
press release:
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the new TL arrives ready to compete with vehicles like the Audi A4 and A6, BMW 3-Series and 5-Series, Infiniti G35 and M35, Lexus ES, GS and IS sedans, and the Mercedes-Benz C-Class and E-Class
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the new TL arrives ready to compete with vehicles like the Audi A4 and A6, BMW 3-Series and 5-Series, Infiniti G35 and M35, Lexus ES, GS and IS sedans, and the Mercedes-Benz C-Class and E-Class
08-18-2008, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TLTrance
I wonder if the audio system can rip any audio CD to mp3s... Probably not with the copy protection schemes out there.
that's one of the perks of having the HDD it will rip the audio cd to the system.
08-18-2008, 06:23 PM
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Yes its a perk, but I'd argue that playlist management and ease of use still is tops with being able to burn a mp3 cd with 100 songs and loading that for on-the-fly playing. Burning to mp3 assumes that you have the tracks in Audio CD format first, which many people do not.
What WOULD be nice, however, is if the system can copy mp3s from an mp3 CD onto the hard drive.. That would be a real perk.
What WOULD be nice, however, is if the system can copy mp3s from an mp3 CD onto the hard drive.. That would be a real perk.
Originally Posted by fleshy
that's one of the perks of having the HDD it will rip the audio cd to the system.
08-18-2008, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TLTrance
What WOULD be nice, however, is if the system can copy mp3s from an mp3 CD onto the hard drive.. That would be a real perk.
08-18-2008, 07:21 PM
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I must say that after seeing the whole "package" I am a bit more relieved - yes, that grille is still rather weird, but then I might get used to it. The entire package does sound very promising and attractive.
Yes, it would have been nice to have a 6AT but may be we will get it in future, since Acura likes to "hold back" certain goodies for subsequent model year changes?
While the 6AT is an important concern, I am less concerned about other more frivolous items such as the push start button. Truly, I don't think that it should be a deal breaker for anyone. Just imagine not buying a car because it does not have the push start button? Hmm...
Interestingly, the fully loaded SH-AWD TL will price out about the same as a loaded 2009 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro sedan with the Prestige package (the top line) and navi. This is using the estimated price for a loaded SH-AWD TL for about $42,000 that was reported in various places. Though the A4 is only a 2.0 engine, it is 10 inches shorter (still a very good size at 185 inches though) and it goes from 0-60 mph in about 6.5 seconds, if my memory serves me right. I think this is probably going to be the same with the TL. Also, the gas mileage is probably going to be much better with the A4 too - the current generation A4 Quattro 2.0T has gas mileage between 21 and 29 MPG if I am remembering correctly, and Audi claims that the new 2009 model will have even better mileage. This compares to the 17-25 MPG of the SH-AWD TL.
Though the A4 looks absolutely spectacular and handsome, the TL does have more features and value for money again....
So for the same price, would you get the new Audi A4 2.0T Prestige with navi or the SH-AWD TL???
Yes, it would have been nice to have a 6AT but may be we will get it in future, since Acura likes to "hold back" certain goodies for subsequent model year changes?
While the 6AT is an important concern, I am less concerned about other more frivolous items such as the push start button. Truly, I don't think that it should be a deal breaker for anyone. Just imagine not buying a car because it does not have the push start button? Hmm...
Interestingly, the fully loaded SH-AWD TL will price out about the same as a loaded 2009 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro sedan with the Prestige package (the top line) and navi. This is using the estimated price for a loaded SH-AWD TL for about $42,000 that was reported in various places. Though the A4 is only a 2.0 engine, it is 10 inches shorter (still a very good size at 185 inches though) and it goes from 0-60 mph in about 6.5 seconds, if my memory serves me right. I think this is probably going to be the same with the TL. Also, the gas mileage is probably going to be much better with the A4 too - the current generation A4 Quattro 2.0T has gas mileage between 21 and 29 MPG if I am remembering correctly, and Audi claims that the new 2009 model will have even better mileage. This compares to the 17-25 MPG of the SH-AWD TL.
Though the A4 looks absolutely spectacular and handsome, the TL does have more features and value for money again....
So for the same price, would you get the new Audi A4 2.0T Prestige with navi or the SH-AWD TL???
08-18-2008, 08:37 PM
#24
Originally Posted by ostrich
So for the same price, would you get the new Audi A4 2.0T Prestige with navi or the SH-AWD TL???
08-18-2008, 09:40 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by Mpunk
Wow, you can get push-button start in an Altima but you need to spend over $40K large to get this in the TL??
A few months ago, USA Today's James Healey reviewed the all-new '09 Toyota Corolla, and among a few of his complaints, that the car didn't come with power windows as standard equipment, despite the fact that most Corollas sold on dealer lots will have the optional power package. His logic: Toyota would have to spend extra $ not only to have designed the manual window cranks but also manufacture and maintain an inventory of them and all the associated costs.
My question to Acura is, wouldn't it cost more money to have a separate ignition key and a pushbutton start, especially if you need to manufacture to separate steering columns and dashboards between the two?
If you look at this old spy pic from Leftlanenews.com, this steering wheel sports a traditional ignition stalk, while the 2nd pic below shows a push button smacked in the dashboard. Somehow I think it would've been "cheaper" to have included this across the board and then just manufactured one set of steering columns and one set of dashboard designs.
When the 3G was launched 5 years ago, it was not only totally hot, but it was an unbelievably good value. Now, it's totally ugly and, when you consider the competition, not so much of a good value anymore.
A few months ago, USA Today's James Healey reviewed the all-new '09 Toyota Corolla, and among a few of his complaints, that the car didn't come with power windows as standard equipment, despite the fact that most Corollas sold on dealer lots will have the optional power package. His logic: Toyota would have to spend extra $ not only to have designed the manual window cranks but also manufacture and maintain an inventory of them and all the associated costs.
My question to Acura is, wouldn't it cost more money to have a separate ignition key and a pushbutton start, especially if you need to manufacture to separate steering columns and dashboards between the two?
If you look at this old spy pic from Leftlanenews.com, this steering wheel sports a traditional ignition stalk, while the 2nd pic below shows a push button smacked in the dashboard. Somehow I think it would've been "cheaper" to have included this across the board and then just manufactured one set of steering columns and one set of dashboard designs.
When the 3G was launched 5 years ago, it was not only totally hot, but it was an unbelievably good value. Now, it's totally ugly and, when you consider the competition, not so much of a good value anymore.
08-18-2008, 10:16 PM
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Dang, was waiting for this car as a possible but the performance and size does not add up..new tl as big as a 5 series and the G8-gt but no V-8 and still fwd or trick SH...not awd...5sp etc...as far as quality..yes good but my Acura has seen a lot of shop time, three recalls and is a road noise, rattle prone, noisy suspension slow bucket....and I did not even get to the "looks will grow on ya problem" of the new tl.....
I'm going g37, G8 or Camaro and will let ya know their weak spots..but it will not be performance, mod ability or looks.....ya,ya I know they do not rip cds to a hd...they just rip et times and handle...I just do not see the new tl as anything new over my current Acura..just more of the same...fwd, v6, 5 sp and over cooked looks...
I'm going g37, G8 or Camaro and will let ya know their weak spots..but it will not be performance, mod ability or looks.....ya,ya I know they do not rip cds to a hd...they just rip et times and handle...I just do not see the new tl as anything new over my current Acura..just more of the same...fwd, v6, 5 sp and over cooked looks...
08-18-2008, 10:17 PM
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Reliability is a BIG factor!
Originally Posted by Colin
I suppose it depends on how large a car the buyer wants or if they value Acura's reliability reputation. Probably the two biggest factors I forsee on the sales floor.
In terms of the size, yes, the TL will be a big car, but it's OK... what probably will annoy me though is the lack of fold down rear seats... hmm...
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Originally Posted by ostrich
I must say that after seeing the whole "package" I am a bit more relieved - yes, that grille is still rather weird, but then I might get used to it. The entire package does sound very promising and attractive.
Yes, it would have been nice to have a 6AT but may be we will get it in future, since Acura likes to "hold back" certain goodies for subsequent model year changes?
While the 6AT is an important concern, I am less concerned about other more frivolous items such as the push start button. Truly, I don't think that it should be a deal breaker for anyone. Just imagine not buying a car because it does not have the push start button? Hmm...
Interestingly, the fully loaded SH-AWD TL will price out about the same as a loaded 2009 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro sedan with the Prestige package (the top line) and navi. This is using the estimated price for a loaded SH-AWD TL for about $42,000 that was reported in various places. Though the A4 is only a 2.0 engine, it is 10 inches shorter (still a very good size at 185 inches though) and it goes from 0-60 mph in about 6.5 seconds, if my memory serves me right. I think this is probably going to be the same with the TL. Also, the gas mileage is probably going to be much better with the A4 too - the current generation A4 Quattro 2.0T has gas mileage between 21 and 29 MPG if I am remembering correctly, and Audi claims that the new 2009 model will have even better mileage. This compares to the 17-25 MPG of the SH-AWD TL.
Though the A4 looks absolutely spectacular and handsome, the TL does have more features and value for money again....
So for the same price, would you get the new Audi A4 2.0T Prestige with navi or the SH-AWD TL???
Yes, it would have been nice to have a 6AT but may be we will get it in future, since Acura likes to "hold back" certain goodies for subsequent model year changes?
While the 6AT is an important concern, I am less concerned about other more frivolous items such as the push start button. Truly, I don't think that it should be a deal breaker for anyone. Just imagine not buying a car because it does not have the push start button? Hmm...
Interestingly, the fully loaded SH-AWD TL will price out about the same as a loaded 2009 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro sedan with the Prestige package (the top line) and navi. This is using the estimated price for a loaded SH-AWD TL for about $42,000 that was reported in various places. Though the A4 is only a 2.0 engine, it is 10 inches shorter (still a very good size at 185 inches though) and it goes from 0-60 mph in about 6.5 seconds, if my memory serves me right. I think this is probably going to be the same with the TL. Also, the gas mileage is probably going to be much better with the A4 too - the current generation A4 Quattro 2.0T has gas mileage between 21 and 29 MPG if I am remembering correctly, and Audi claims that the new 2009 model will have even better mileage. This compares to the 17-25 MPG of the SH-AWD TL.
Though the A4 looks absolutely spectacular and handsome, the TL does have more features and value for money again....
So for the same price, would you get the new Audi A4 2.0T Prestige with navi or the SH-AWD TL???
08-18-2008, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas
Dang, was waiting for this car as a possible but the performance and size does not add up..new tl as big as a 5 series and the G8-gt but no V-8 and still fwd or trick SH...not awd...5sp etc...as far as quality..yes good but my Acura has seen a lot of shop time, three recalls and is a road noise, rattle prone, noisy suspension slow bucket....and I did not even get to the "looks will grow on ya problem" of the new tl.....
I'm going g37, G8 or Camaro and will let ya know their weak spots..but it will not be performance, mod ability or looks.....ya,ya I know they do not rip cds to a hd...they just rip et times and handle...I just do not see the new tl as anything new over my current Acura..just more of the same...fwd, v6, 5 sp and over cooked looks...
I'm going g37, G8 or Camaro and will let ya know their weak spots..but it will not be performance, mod ability or looks.....ya,ya I know they do not rip cds to a hd...they just rip et times and handle...I just do not see the new tl as anything new over my current Acura..just more of the same...fwd, v6, 5 sp and over cooked looks...
You think the G37 and Camaro can handle? Well, the new Camaro SS with 422hp lapped the Ring in 8:20, not bad, but guess what, Chevy's own Cobalt SS FWD 260hp coupe did it in 8:22.....
G37? Well not sure about the G37, but the G35 is slower at Willow Springs than the 3G TL-S by a massive 2 seconds...
08-18-2008, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by levon1830
Coincidence that redline for the 3.7 V-6 missing? 
http://corporate.honda.com/press/article.aspx?id=4674
08-19-2008, 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
and also the Acura RL <- Acura forgot to mention that in the above list.
A4 and A6 at the same time? Interesting.
With 4,94m length the TL now is even LONGER than the A6 that was with the RL the longest car in its class comparing to the BMW5, GS and MercE that are all in the 4,80-4,90m range...
08-20-2008, 11:08 AM
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Well, price wise, Acura is competing with the Germans compact, and size wise it's competing with the mid size. In general Acura offers pretty good value, as this TL will probably turn out to be.
Reliability wise - I don't know about Audi, but BMWs are quite reliable, if you maintain it like you'd do with a Honda.
With the TL being such a big car now, one really has to wonder about how sporty it can be. I think the new Audi A4 offers enough room for most.
Reliability wise - I don't know about Audi, but BMWs are quite reliable, if you maintain it like you'd do with a Honda.
With the TL being such a big car now, one really has to wonder about how sporty it can be. I think the new Audi A4 offers enough room for most.
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I think it's a good idea if you study more about SH-AWD first......
You think the G37 and Camaro can handle? Well, the new Camaro SS with 422hp lapped the Ring in 8:20, not bad, but guess what, Chevy's own Cobalt SS FWD 260hp coupe did it in 8:22.....
G37? Well not sure about the G37, but the G35 is slower at Willow Springs than the 3G TL-S by a massive 2 seconds...
You think the G37 and Camaro can handle? Well, the new Camaro SS with 422hp lapped the Ring in 8:20, not bad, but guess what, Chevy's own Cobalt SS FWD 260hp coupe did it in 8:22.....
G37? Well not sure about the G37, but the G35 is slower at Willow Springs than the 3G TL-S by a massive 2 seconds...
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Right, and the Accord has no pushbutton start but it still outsells the Altima by about 2 to 1. One feature (or lack there of) does not make or break a car. Any who said anything about being over 40 to get the feature? There will be a 2WD tech package you know?
It probably does cost them more money to make two steering columns and two dash trim panels. But since the complaint about the Tech packages (in the other cars) is that they don't offer enough extra things over the base model, it looks like Acura is looking for ways to add more content. Since some people seem to place such a high emphasis on this one feature, it makes sense that if it's that important to someone, that they should pay more to get it (thus making it profitable to make two versions). This philosophy has worked well for all the other brands you've cited. They 'nickel and dime' you for everything.
It probably does cost them more money to make two steering columns and two dash trim panels. But since the complaint about the Tech packages (in the other cars) is that they don't offer enough extra things over the base model, it looks like Acura is looking for ways to add more content. Since some people seem to place such a high emphasis on this one feature, it makes sense that if it's that important to someone, that they should pay more to get it (thus making it profitable to make two versions). This philosophy has worked well for all the other brands you've cited. They 'nickel and dime' you for everything.
Lexus IS series July 2008 Sales/July 2007 Sales
4,750/4,892
Lexus ES350 July 2008 Sales/July 2007 Sales
5,563/6,909
Acura TL July 2008 Sales/July 2007 Sales
3,961/4,721
I threw in the ES350 sales in there because that car, though it's aimed at an older, more "traditional" demographic, also competes with the TL; it also has the push-button start since the '07 MY.
I admit that the only Lexus I really care for is the IS, of which I'm a big fan, but the fact that they put in push button starts in all of their entry level and luxury cars (IS, ES, LS, GS), even the cheap base model IS250, probably explains why Lexus is #1 in U.S. luxury sales. My whole point is that if Honda intends to have Acura be a Tier 1 luxury nameplate, it'd probably be a good idea to put this sort of stuff as standard equipment. Yeah, sure Mercedes and BMW charge extra for these things but that's besides the point. It looks really bad when Lexus and Infiniti have these things as standard equipment and Acura doesn't.
The last time I went car shopping, it was between the IS350 and the TL (the new G35 wasn't out yet and I didn't like the '05-'06 model). The thing that sold me on the TL was the MT with a high perf. V6. I couldn't see the point in driving a 2.5L 204hp, esp. since the fuel economy was pretty much the same as the 3.5L 306hp IS350. The other thing that sold me was the huge value proposition of the TL. And having killer good looks and a sizeable rear seat really didn't hurt.
That value proposition in '05-'06 that the TL had against its competitors looks like it pretty much disappeared for '09. At least with the looks department and what you get for your money. When you charge mid $40Ks for a car, the expectations change - they get much higher than they do for a car that costs $36K. Heck, even the Hyundai Genesis 4.6L V8 at $38K est. looks real good compared to the SH-AWD TL. Esp. at the price. Yeah, the looks are bland, but at least they aren't as polarizing.
Finally, regarding all the hoopla surrounding the push-button start, you really ought to try driving one first. I've driven my friends' IS350 and G37 6MT and they're both awesome! I can just throw the fob in my big gym bag, hit the button on the driver door, throw the gym bag in the backseat or trunk, get in the car, and drive off without ever giving it a thought. It's super intuitive. I didn't care for it at first, but now, it's a pain in the as.s for me to have my TL's keys in my jeans pocket and pry them out to start the car. I even find myself stepping on the brake and the clutch just to start the TL! lol. But as someone said, it's not a deal-breaker, just something that you need to get used to. Now the lack of a 6MT in the first build year is. That and looks.
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Hmm..I was talking about the G35 being 2 seconds slower on a track than the TL-S, not sure how having only 20 or so more hp can get 2 seconds back..that's a huge margin.
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This wasn't an apples-to-apples comparison, I was only talking about price. Like if you can get the push-button start in a cheap car like the Altima, then you should expect it certainly in a car in the mid-$30s, esp. in the '09 model year. The Lexus IS is probably a more apt comparison as Lexus IS's outsell the TL now, and they've had this push-button start since MY06. And I believe that they were one of the first (if not the first) automakers to do so (and I'm not talking about the keyless start/twist ignition like the RL has).
Lexus IS series July 2008 Sales/July 2007 Sales
4,750/4,892
Lexus ES350 July 2008 Sales/July 2007 Sales
5,563/6,909
Acura TL July 2008 Sales/July 2007 Sales
3,961/4,721
I threw in the ES350 sales in there because that car, though it's aimed at an older, more "traditional" demographic, also competes with the TL; it also has the push-button start since the '07 MY.
I admit that the only Lexus I really care for is the IS, of which I'm a big fan, but the fact that they put in push button starts in all of their entry level and luxury cars (IS, ES, LS, GS), even the cheap base model IS250, probably explains why Lexus is #1 in U.S. luxury sales. My whole point is that if Honda intends to have Acura be a Tier 1 luxury nameplate, it'd probably be a good idea to put this sort of stuff as standard equipment. Yeah, sure Mercedes and BMW charge extra for these things but that's besides the point. It looks really bad when Lexus and Infiniti have these things as standard equipment and Acura doesn't.
The last time I went car shopping, it was between the IS350 and the TL (the new G35 wasn't out yet and I didn't like the '05-'06 model). The thing that sold me on the TL was the MT with a high perf. V6. I couldn't see the point in driving a 2.5L 204hp, esp. since the fuel economy was pretty much the same as the 3.5L 306hp IS350. The other thing that sold me was the huge value proposition of the TL. And having killer good looks and a sizeable rear seat really didn't hurt.
That value proposition in '05-'06 that the TL had against its competitors looks like it pretty much disappeared for '09. At least with the looks department and what you get for your money. When you charge mid $40Ks for a car, the expectations change - they get much higher than they do for a car that costs $36K. Heck, even the Hyundai Genesis 4.6L V8 at $38K est. looks real good compared to the SH-AWD TL. Esp. at the price. Yeah, the looks are bland, but at least they aren't as polarizing.
Finally, regarding all the hoopla surrounding the push-button start, you really ought to try driving one first. I've driven my friends' IS350 and G37 6MT and they're both awesome! I can just throw the fob in my big gym bag, hit the button on the driver door, throw the gym bag in the backseat or trunk, get in the car, and drive off without ever giving it a thought. It's super intuitive. I didn't care for it at first, but now, it's a pain in the as.s for me to have my TL's keys in my jeans pocket and pry them out to start the car. I even find myself stepping on the brake and the clutch just to start the TL! lol. But as someone said, it's not a deal-breaker, just something that you need to get used to. Now the lack of a 6MT in the first build year is. That and looks.
Lexus IS series July 2008 Sales/July 2007 Sales
4,750/4,892
Lexus ES350 July 2008 Sales/July 2007 Sales
5,563/6,909
Acura TL July 2008 Sales/July 2007 Sales
3,961/4,721
I threw in the ES350 sales in there because that car, though it's aimed at an older, more "traditional" demographic, also competes with the TL; it also has the push-button start since the '07 MY.
I admit that the only Lexus I really care for is the IS, of which I'm a big fan, but the fact that they put in push button starts in all of their entry level and luxury cars (IS, ES, LS, GS), even the cheap base model IS250, probably explains why Lexus is #1 in U.S. luxury sales. My whole point is that if Honda intends to have Acura be a Tier 1 luxury nameplate, it'd probably be a good idea to put this sort of stuff as standard equipment. Yeah, sure Mercedes and BMW charge extra for these things but that's besides the point. It looks really bad when Lexus and Infiniti have these things as standard equipment and Acura doesn't.
The last time I went car shopping, it was between the IS350 and the TL (the new G35 wasn't out yet and I didn't like the '05-'06 model). The thing that sold me on the TL was the MT with a high perf. V6. I couldn't see the point in driving a 2.5L 204hp, esp. since the fuel economy was pretty much the same as the 3.5L 306hp IS350. The other thing that sold me was the huge value proposition of the TL. And having killer good looks and a sizeable rear seat really didn't hurt.
That value proposition in '05-'06 that the TL had against its competitors looks like it pretty much disappeared for '09. At least with the looks department and what you get for your money. When you charge mid $40Ks for a car, the expectations change - they get much higher than they do for a car that costs $36K. Heck, even the Hyundai Genesis 4.6L V8 at $38K est. looks real good compared to the SH-AWD TL. Esp. at the price. Yeah, the looks are bland, but at least they aren't as polarizing.
Finally, regarding all the hoopla surrounding the push-button start, you really ought to try driving one first. I've driven my friends' IS350 and G37 6MT and they're both awesome! I can just throw the fob in my big gym bag, hit the button on the driver door, throw the gym bag in the backseat or trunk, get in the car, and drive off without ever giving it a thought. It's super intuitive. I didn't care for it at first, but now, it's a pain in the as.s for me to have my TL's keys in my jeans pocket and pry them out to start the car. I even find myself stepping on the brake and the clutch just to start the TL! lol. But as someone said, it's not a deal-breaker, just something that you need to get used to. Now the lack of a 6MT in the first build year is. That and looks.
I personally don’t think a push-start button alone would help increase sales by a whole lot. I simply don’t see any correlation there. Perhaps someone can do some statistics? But I can see how that can help Acura become “Tier-1.”
The TL Sh-AWD with the tech package is at $42000, so it’s not really in the mid-$40k. And keep in mind that’s the highest trim unless you opt for the other accessories. The Genesis argument has been brought up many times. One can also argue it’s a great deal compared with GS, E, 5, A6, etc.
08-20-2008, 04:16 PM
#37
FIGHTING ILLINI
Acuraphiles have been asking for this feature for years longer than you've been a member here. Now we have a true push button start. I'm satisfied with that. I see nothing wrong with Acura's approach here.
The TOV links don't work because their server always gets slammed with big news like this.
Thanks for posting the info, krio!
The TOV links don't work because their server always gets slammed with big news like this.
Thanks for posting the info, krio!
08-20-2008, 06:06 PM
#38
Nissan is not generally as well regarded as Honda (or Toyota), therefor it must have features (pushbutton start) that the Accord does not have as well as more power and a lower price to compete.
Acura does not have as much cache as Lexus, and there for it adds things standard (bluetooth etc.) to increase the value equation.
08-20-2008, 11:02 PM
#39
I think it's a good idea if you study more about SH-AWD first......
You think the G37 and Camaro can handle? Well, the new Camaro SS with 422hp lapped the Ring in 8:20, not bad, but guess what, Chevy's own Cobalt SS FWD 260hp coupe did it in 8:22.....
G37? Well not sure about the G37, but the G35 is slower at Willow Springs than the 3G TL-S by a massive 2 seconds...
You think the G37 and Camaro can handle? Well, the new Camaro SS with 422hp lapped the Ring in 8:20, not bad, but guess what, Chevy's own Cobalt SS FWD 260hp coupe did it in 8:22.....
G37? Well not sure about the G37, but the G35 is slower at Willow Springs than the 3G TL-S by a massive 2 seconds...
And well, the Cobalt SS is the fastest FWD vehicle on the Nurburgring. Its even faster than a standard NSX. The next fastest vehicles are the Mazdaspeed 3 (8:39) and EP? Civic Type R (8:41). The Camaro weighs 1000 lbs more than the Cobalt SS.... thats impressive.
Not to mention how much the Cobalt SS costs ($23,000 starting), and how much the Camaro SS will cost ($28,000 starting) I'd say those are pretty good deals.
Last edited by Costco; 08-20-2008 at 11:04 PM.
08-21-2008, 06:02 AM
#40
Safety Car
Active Noise Cancellation
Has anyone seen mention of this feature in the 2009 TL? I know that the 2009 RL has it & I was just wondering if it is being passed on as quietness seems to be pretty important in the luxury world ... or is this another RL exclusive like ventilated seats?
Thanks
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