yld2rob

Has anyone heard anything? I do not want the same thing to happen to me twice. I purchased a 2005 TL when it came out then they came out with a type-s 2-3 years later? Will Acura always wait this long after the introduction of a new gen TL?

Bearcat94

2nd Gen TL was in production 5 Model years. TL-S was available in the 4th and 5th years.

3rd Gen TL was in production 5 Model years. TL-S was available in the 4th and 5th years.

4th Gen TL is in Model Year 1. Model year 4 will be (if I counted right) the 2012 model. IF they have a Type-S, I'd guess that's when we'll see it. I hope they do. There is an all new 6-Speed Manual coming for the 2010 model.

And I hope they do it with a V8 and 350-ish HP AWD coupled to a 6-Speed SMG/DSG gearbox.


(A guy can dream, cant' he??)

cornelius

I think we might see a 5G in 2011.

vinnier6

iTrader: (1)

acura uses the type s as a refresh late cycle...so we are going to have to wait and see what they do....

Ac Man

I feel you man, cause I did the same exact thing, and I was pissed when the TL-S came out for 2007. I don't want history to repeat itself, so I'm waiting to see if a TL-S will come out for 2012. It pains me to wait that long, and trust me, I am VERY tempted to get an '09 SH-AWD, but I don't want Acura to come out with the TL-S and I screw myself again.

Bearcat94

Why do you think that?

I think it would be unlikely in the extreme. They might move the MMR up a year, but a new Generation? I'd give you 50:1 against.

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KeithL

DO like me SH-AWD 39 month lease puts me square in 2012 Type-S time frame

Ac Man

I'm not into leasing though, you're limited in what you can do to the car and how many miles you can put on it. I'll just tough it out and wait. I try my best to not go into the showroom when I go to the dealer, because I don't want a salesman to try and talk me into getting an '09. Plus it really wouldn't make sense for me anyway, being that I'm going to Korea for a year in October, so the car would sit for a year. I might aswell wait until I get back, and get the latest and greatest. But then again, when I get back, the MMC will be a year away. Decisions, decisions!

KeithL

I thought that too, but I'm giving it a try, didn't want to gamble on the polarizing styling hurting my resale. I negotiated a lease term that oovers all my miles and I can live with, only iffy thing is I usually flip every year, but would be next to impossible in this economy anyway.

Audioholics

Acura needs to do something. Infiniti will be adding direct inject on their entire lineup in a year or two. The base G37 will have around 350hp and get better gas mileage than a 4G TL with SHAWD!

cornelius

I dont think the Acura TL can compete in this market with what they have.
With BMW giving huge incentives and Infiniti making super performance cars, I dont see any reason to buy the 4G.
If I was Acura, I would not produce a 4G Type-S TL. I would only produce the manual 4G TLs for 2010 and try to sell off all the 2009s. Meanwhile, Acura would develop a 5G with RWD (even Hyundai is ahead in this category), 7speed automatic or SMG, and turbocharged V6 for 2011. I would also drop the turbocharged V6 engine into a TSX to give it the Type S title.

KeithL

Problem is I don't think Infiniti is their main target right now, I think Infiniti is going after BMW crowd and Acura is going more Lexus, MB crowd, just look how the 4G got softer and plusher. I thinks the SH-AWD and Type-S variants are to try and bring over some sporty oriented buyers, but I think their real demo is the luxury oriented buyer.

Ac Man

Are you kidding? Acura with a 7 speed and they still have yet to produce a 6 speed automatic? Not gonna happen, at least not now anyway. And it's foolish to start talking about a 5Gen TL, and they JUST LAUNCHED the 4Gen TL 6 months ago! Why would they waste all that money on R&D, production, marketing, etc. to turn around and scrap the generation in 3 years? The only Acura that would see RWD in the near future would be the next gen RL. Acura can fix the TL's situation during the MMC, afterall, that's what MMCs are for. You don't panic and abandon ship.

Did Acura make some bad decisions for the TL? Sure, but they can make the car better for the MMC, and bringing back the TL-S is the way to go. The TL-S is meant to be a performance model, Acura doesn't need to launch an entire new generation right now, that's crazy! As long as the TL-S has performance that compares to the competition they'll be fine. But I will say that Acura needs to get rid of FWD and have RWD plus SH-AWD as options. The TL-S should get features passed down from the RL (cooled seats, power tilt/telescoping steering, etc.), plus a 6 speed auto. These features and a few more, plus cleaning up the design a bit, and the TL will be fine.

JD23

That move would be financial suicide. Honda, or any other auto company, cannot afford to drop a model after only two years and go through an expensive redesign process. This is especially true given the terrible economic situation. A five year life cycle is needed to recoup all of the previous R&D costs. Also, it is probably impossible to develop all of technologies you are requesting in less than two years.

rehab_pain

i would rather have a twin turbo v6 instead of a v8 for the type s, better on gas and more tunable.

cornelius

I guess the 5G is just wishful thinking. The 4G TL needs some major changes and I
dont think a MMC can cover that. I cant really think of a car that the TL could compete with. BMW and Infiniti are out of the question. Lexus ES350 is 6speed. Hyundai Genesis is RWD and 6speed. Maybe Nissan Maxima, but that car is a lot cheaper.
I think Acura might be able to minimize losses by producing a minimal number of TLs or
just stop production all together.

Silva-type-s

iTrader: (3)

I did speak to a guy named David (forgot his last name) at the last international auto show when they came to miami. I asked pretty much all the questions an Aziner would.

He said. The CL is no more. I asked about the 4G TL-S he said he hasnt heard anything in refernce to that but the SH-AWD will serve as the Type S for now. I asked about a 4G 6mt and he said its in the works for the late 09.. I settled all the rumors of a turbocharged V6TSX and he said it on the drawing board but the the options are undecided.. After a short conversation he asked my age and i told him 22. he winked and said they have something specifically for the younger generation in mind too.
I'm thinking maybe an Integra/RSX replacement. I heard the csx has lsd.

Ac Man

Just out of curiosity, why do you have an '09 TL?

Monte TLS,MAX

Maxima is not too much cheaper in most cases at all.

cornelius

My previous lease ended and I made a bad decision under pressure.

cornelius

True.. The Maxima seems to have problems of its own. With added options, the car could become more expensive than a G37.

6SpdTerror

I still dont get why people act like RWD is the is the greatest thing in the world. I could care less about RWD unless it's for a weekend sports car or a second car. For an everyday all purpose, a TL works fine for me for these reasons:
1. I live in NYC
2. We get snow here
3. We dont have any racetracks

So FWD and AWD is the most practical choice here.

winstrolvtec

Yep, I hear ya 6spd. I really don't think that rwd, or 6spd auto, justifies a better car or purchase. It's not even the intentions of Acura. Never had it before, and it they did really well without it. Acura made this car for the return customer not to win over the masses. The SH is a step in the right direction. They need a new RL before they can get serious with the TL.

6SpdTerror

So true. The current RL is holding back the TL. They cant even give it too much power without cannibalizing the RL.

EL19

iTrader: (4)

With the intro of the ZDX next week having a 6speed auto Im thinkin the MMC TL and everyother Acura Model MMC for that matter will get a 6 speed auto

6SpdTerror

I just love the lines on that new ZDX crossover. Hope the actual car looks as sexy as the teaser shots! Cant wait to go to the car show.

Iceman52489

He's probably talking about the new 2010 NSX..except that is apparently housing a v8 or v10 engine and is definitely not in the price range of a 22 year old..

KeithL

How dyou cannibalize the RL at 250 cars a month?The TL AWD already performs better and has better options (NAV, ELS to name 2). Personally I think Acura could care less about current RL. It is a $50K place holder right now unitl they can deliver a real Tier 1 RWD based sedan.

6SpdTerror

Theyre down to 250 a month?!?! Why do they even bother?? They really need a revamp of that car. When is the new RL due??

Ac Man

Acura uses a 5 year life cycle for their vehicles. The current RL (2nd Gen) debuted in 2004 as a 2005 model (I believe?) So that would mean the new RL would be due this year, but we all know there won't be one, despite the terrible sales numbers.

lpe387tt

Wow. Such a highly advanced vehicle with so much upside. Yet, Acura just can't get it to look like ANYTHING.......... Come on Acura. Make the car look like something. Why is your sport luxury sedan a better vehicle than your flagship model? I'm an Acura fan regardless for the reliability and AWD. Hence is why I don't want to see a RWD model. The Sh-AWD is what sets the car apart from others. Just my