I have heard a rumor that the 2011 SH-AWD TL will come with a 6 speed auto. Has anyone else heard this? I was thinking about getting the 2010 SH-AWD TL, but would wait the extra time if it will have a 6 speed auto in 2011. I know some might say just get the just get the 6 speed manual, but i have driven a manual before. Not my thing now. Thanks for the help!

 

I'm afraid that nobody knows at this point though it is very likely for the MMC (whenever that is)

 

well that figures since i just bought a 2010

 

Just get a 6MT and forget about it!

 

Well being that this year is almost a third of the way gone, you could probably benefit to wait several more months to see what the 2011 might offer.

 

Well.....let's say that the '11 does get the 6 speed auto. Do you think it will actually make THAT MUCH of a difference? Yeah, the ratios will change. And, you'll have one more cog. What's that worth 0-60? A tenth of a second?

Not trying to change your mind. If it's important to you, wait.

Understand that the '11 TLs won't come out at the beginning with the $2250 dealer cash that's on them now. And, it's no guarantee that they'll get any dealer cash at all next year.

But, that's always the risk. Take advantage of the deals today. Or, wait and see if maybe something better, and/or cheaper comes down the pike.

I say this after just buying a 2010 TL, though. Thought about the possibility of a new tranny in '11. Decided it didn't matter all that much to me if they did.

 

The improvement 0-60 from a 6AT will definately be more than 0.1 sec. But more than that, fuel economy should improve quite a bit. Also, there's a good chance that something like an "Advance Package" might be available along with the possibility of a slight grill change.

 

Yea. I would not fuss over a tenth. People buy a TL for the whole package, not just 0-60.

 

From reading the recent 2010 ZDX and MDX reviews, it seems like the 6 speed auto is a significant upgrade over the current 5 speed auto.

According to Car and Driver:
the 4421lb zdx does 0-60 in 6.4s, 1/4 in 14.9s.. observed 20mpg..
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...1b15b66cd1.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test

the 3945lb 5 spd auto tl shawd does 0-60 in 6s, 1/4 in 14.8s.. observed 19mpg..
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...1b15b66cd1.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-awd-road_test

You guys get that? the ZDX weighs 476lb MORE than the TL but is off by just .4s to 60 and .1s to the 1/4, and gets better FE!

I'd say the 6 speed auto is a heck of a lot better than the 5 speed looking at those numbers alone. Not to mention Jeff from the TOV having good impressions with the 6 speed auto in the 2010 MDX. Here's a quick quote from him:
"Most impressive is the MDX's performance during overtaking maneuvers. Drop it a gear (or two), stab the throttle and it really lunges forward with real urgency. The best part of the 6AT is that with the improved midrange performance and more optimized gearing, you rarely find yourself in that "hole" in the torque curve that seemed all too common with the 5AT."

That's right, you can also double-downshift. I wish i could have waited for it.

 

I'd argue that the 6 speed auto would make the TL's "whole package" more appealing. Are you saying a new transmission with better gearing, performance, and fuel economy wouldn't make the TL a better car?

Not saying the currently TL isn't good (i just bought a 2010 shawd, could not wait due to brother needing my last vehicle). I'm saying that it should be worth the wait if you could wait.

 

I dunno....like most of us, I had the G37 on my radar, too.....7-speed transmission. Yeah, I know, different engine. But, I didn't think having 7 speeds really added to that car (which is quite nice). Matter of fact, I found it slow to react in several instances, even with 7 ratios. That's something I've never found on the TL.

Bottom like, we don't know what's going to happen. And, even if it does, are you willing to wait, probably pay more, for what could easily turn out to be a negligible gain?

The TL is fast already. Is a tenth or two really going to make that much of a difference to you?

If you want, you can already drop the TL a gear or two with the shift paddles.

 

Well that depends on the op's situation. If he is not in a rush to buy the car, he could wait for details to leak out. Once they leak out, he can decide whether or not it's worth it for him to wait.

If he doesn't want to wait, he can buy a 2010 at an even larger discount than they're offering now. Seems like win-win to me unless he needs the car now.

I would have waited to see what the 2011 model had to offer if my brother didn't need my last car. If i had time to wait, and the 2011 had negligible gains (which we'd usually find out months prior to the car coming out) then I would have gone for a 2010.

On a side note, about the TL being fast. The new 6 speed auto may not make it significantly faster from 0-60 or 1/4 (we don't know, but can speculated using results from the MDX), but according to reviews, it improves midrange performance. Which means it makes it more useable in daily driving.

However i did look into the different between the speed/transmission for the MDX. I used inside line for both years because they tested both vehicles. Car and driver only tested the 2007 model and the 2010 numbers were estimates.

Edmunds InsideLine results:
07 mdx with 5 speed auto 4578lb 0-60=8.1s 1/4=16.0s
10 mdx with 6 speed auto 4623lb 0-60=7.1s 1/4=15.3s

So the 6spd auto made the curb weight of the mdx go up 45lb, but was 1 full second faster to 60 and .7s faster to the 1/4. Seems like a significant upgrade.. but i guess that's just me?

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...acura-mdx.html

http://www.insideline.com/acura/mdx/...acura-mdx.html

 

The 5AT TL is in no way a "fast" car. If you compare it against the usual competition.....3 series, 5 series, A4, G37, Lexus IS/ES, CTS...it's actually midpack or towards the bottom depending on which magazine does the testing. The TL is dragged down by its heavy weight and slow AT. The SH-AWD model, more so than the FWD, will benefit greatly with a 6AT due to it's higher curb weight and drivetrain powerloss. It's long, long over-due!

 

Never took a stopwatch to the TL. Seat of the pants, it feels relatively close to the G37x...maybe a couple of tenths off it. A 335i xDrive is knocking on $50K (and even above).

As I mentioned, I really didn't like the 7 speed in the Infiniti (which is the main reason I didn't buy it....it was certainly cheaper after negotiations than the TL SH AWD.

A4 is slower than all of them....as is the Caddy CTS.

A Taurus SHO will whip all their asses in a drag race.

I've test driven all of them.

Again, this is just by my "buttometer".

I certainly don't consider the TL slow by any stretch. And, I'm not much into doing stoplight to stoplight wars. If that were the case, I would have bought the SHO. Problem with it is it doesn't feel nearly as good to drive as any of the above.

Topic at hand, no one knows what the '11 TL will bring. Honda is great at hiding model year to model year changes (as opposed to Ford, who announced the '11 GT 400 HP motor a couple of months after the '10 Mustang GT came out).

We don't know what the incentives on the TL will be (other than what we see today). We can guess. But, I don't see incentives going any higher than they did for the '09 at the end of last model year. And, we can be fairly certain that the first few months of '11 production won't have any incentives at all, if Acura's history stays true to form.

 

It's not just about the 6-speed auto, though, it's about Honda/Acura MMCs and the other cool things that usually come with it...every single one made the car much better IMO, and enough that I liked it better than the earlier years it replaced.

The 5-speed is out of date and they need to get something better out there, and fast. I can't imagine that the 6-speed (or something even better) won't soon be in their entire lineup.

It's a win/win IMO, OP, if you can hold out: the closer you get to the MMC, the better the deals will be on the current model. When the MMC arrives, it may be a better car.

 

Exactly! I don't know exactly what graphicguy is trying to say here. There are usually good year/model end incentives, and MMC's are generally better than the vehicles they replace.

 

honda just released 2011 pilot i was wondering if the honda side would get the new 6 speed auto.especially in the trucks for 2011.Would help with fuel economy.Still shows a 5 speed though.Not sure what that means for the 2011 tl though.Iam sure they want all there vehicles on the acura side to get the 6 speed first.Maybe keeping it in just a few models for a while to make sure no problems come up before going to the honda side.They do not want a repeat when the 5 speed came out.Iam thinking about a 2010 tl but would really like the 6spd auto.Anyone think i would be kicking myself if i bought now with the good incentives and they release the 2011 with 6spd?